How BYU Cost the Pac 12 $240 Million

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024

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  • @JamesEStout
    @JamesEStout Рік тому +62

    With the way the pac-x has treated BYU over the past 40 years, this is some sweet revenge.

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +14

      Love it when Karma does a smack down.

  • @nathaneyring4858
    @nathaneyring4858 Рік тому +17

    As a BYU fan, I am both happy to provide value to the Big12 as well as being able to cause problems for the Pac 10/12/whatever. Pac is a conference full of bigots against religion.

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +4

      Glad you guys are with us.

  • @assentinbound5463
    @assentinbound5463 Рік тому +2

    Excellent summary John. A few other observations. The Pac 12 shunning BYU stunted the rivaly with Utah, one of college sports great rivalries. The Pac 12 also ignored BYU's natural markets in Utah, So. Cal & Arizona, which have strong LDS populations and would have strengthened the conference's grip in those areas. Instead they got Colorado, which is a square peg in a round hole when trying to manufactuer a rivalry with Utah. The BYU negatives are 1) don't play on Sunday, which messes up the schedule of minor sports on campus, and 2) the Church's stance on social issues like the importance of the nuclear family, gay marriage and transgenderism. Don't buy the lack of "Research" as a factor. It's a complete red herring. It's the social, politically correct issues that kept BYU out of the Pac 12.

    • @tombob671
      @tombob671 Рік тому

      You are better off not being in the PAC 12

  • @theoptimist9605
    @theoptimist9605 Рік тому +9

    I’m embarrassed by the behavior of my fellow Utah fans and our crazy “woke” administration. BYU has Always been Utah’s Big Brother in everything. BYU is obviously a much better Academic University and they are easily the most popular team in Utah. My Utes may be headed back to the Mountain West. Depressed 😢

  • @dcsmith7155
    @dcsmith7155 Рік тому +43

    This TCU grad wanted the Big 12 to add BYU the last time expansion was on the table. I'm excited to renew our Mountain West rivalry. Not looking forward to hoards of blue-clad Cougar fans in Amon Carter, but love the passion and stability they bring to the conference. Welcome blue Cougars!

    • @dfausti66
      @dfausti66 Рік тому +2

      Would it help if BYU wore the purple of TCU as an act of unity with our TCU friends and rivals at Amon Carter? As a BYU fan, I am also looking forward to the prospects of renewing our rivalry with TCU. You guys were the most competitive in the old Mountain West. We BYU fans were always the most worried when we played against your teams.

  • @scmndm
    @scmndm Рік тому +56

    Thanks Kurtz! I love it. Independence had its moments, but I’m so excited to be part of the Big 12. Congrats to KState…good luck tomorrow

  • @Tom-fd5fx
    @Tom-fd5fx Рік тому +59

    BYU fits the Big 12 so much better than Cal, Stanford, Washington or Oregon. So glad to have them.

    • @lordrayden3045
      @lordrayden3045 Рік тому +2

      Yes….. real academic schools don’t fit in the big 12

    • @RohoSombrero
      @RohoSombrero Рік тому

      BYU is a higher rated undergraduate school than Utah, but sure, whatever you have to tell yourselves. I hear it’s impossible to be good at “research” if you don’t play in the right sports league cause… Gee I’ve never heard that part explained but it must be true because otherwise it would mean the PAC-12 is just a bunch of religious bigots and surely that can’t be right.

    • @aweeks6649
      @aweeks6649 Рік тому

      ​@@lordrayden3045Go troll somewhere else....You don’t know what you are talking about.

    • @dogg-paws
      @dogg-paws Рік тому

      ​@@lordrayden3045More so than the Pac-12, that's for sure

    • @lordrayden3045
      @lordrayden3045 Рік тому

      @@dogg-paws
      Exactly, big 12 doesn’t care…. They will take anyone who wanders in

  • @markschroeter9565
    @markschroeter9565 Рік тому +50

    This is the ultimate reason why Utah fans hates the Big 12 because you (the big 12) took on BYU. As a BYU fan, couldn't be more happier to be in the Big 12 when the Pac-12 has continually been snubbing their nose at us. Since the power 5 label has been slapped on us now the Pac-12 is worried.

    • @jasonkeuma1986
      @jasonkeuma1986 Рік тому +4

      Byu was considered a P5 non conference game by all the “P5” conferences.

    • @hotandsour100
      @hotandsour100 Рік тому

      BYU is a joke school with bigots running the school

  • @michaelwgoldman
    @michaelwgoldman Рік тому +36

    It's nice to hear BYU is appreciated. BYU is also very appreciative of the Big12. Except TCU. Haha. Jk jk.

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +7

      Don’t know what the frogs have done to warrant that but I for one am very glad BYU is on board. Rising tide floats all boats.

    • @davidfonoimoana4867
      @davidfonoimoana4867 Рік тому +3

      @@craig5477 Gary Patterson made some pretty negative comments toward BYU that our fanbase likes to keep as bulletin material. However, even when he said that, I think any of us would have taken him as a head coach if given the opportunity, lol.

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +1

      @@davidfonoimoana4867 Didn’t know about that & hope that won’t spoil our future competition. Should be fun. I’m really looking forward to our new conference.

    • @skylesthelimit
      @skylesthelimit Рік тому

      @@craig5477 There’s no serious animosity there. We were just used to being the big dogs in the MWC. You guys came in and took us down. I, for one, am pretty excited to be back in the same conference. Should be really fun (although it may be a little rough for us at first).

    • @ImYourHuckleberry205
      @ImYourHuckleberry205 Рік тому

      @@davidfonoimoana4867 i do not like gary patterson

  • @derekkirchhoefer8321
    @derekkirchhoefer8321 Рік тому +26

    This is a delicious title, love Ute/PAC-10 tears

  • @rarekitkat8742
    @rarekitkat8742 Рік тому +22

    Congrats on your K State last night.

  • @Big12rocks
    @Big12rocks Рік тому +46

    Glad to be in the Big12. I suspect we will get beat up a bit in both football and basketball, but still excited to be part of the league!

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +16

      It’s how we all grow. Added revenue & exposure will bring talent. Talent gets you where you wanna be.

    • @greggreg4804
      @greggreg4804 Рік тому +14

      I'm sure BYU will give their fair share of lumps to the conference schools...it will be good for everyone.

  • @bradlayton8570
    @bradlayton8570 Рік тому +73

    Red Raider here. Glad to have the BYU Cougars in the Big 12. Welcome!

    • @michcoug1760
      @michcoug1760 Рік тому +4

      Guns Up Baby !! Can't wait to see it !!

    • @hotandsour100
      @hotandsour100 Рік тому

      Ya. I love a school with a history of racism and bigotry !

    • @bobbypaluga4346
      @bobbypaluga4346 Рік тому +2

      TTU fans have been awesome in their welcome

    • @RohoSombrero
      @RohoSombrero Рік тому

      As opposed to which teams exactly? Virtually every white male was racist in Brigham Young’s time. BYU was never more racist than teams in the Deep South and certainly aren’t now. Hey whatever happened to Tommy Tuberville anyway? Oh right…

    • @RohoSombrero
      @RohoSombrero Рік тому +3

      I’ve also never seen more bigotry in my entire lifetime as the bigotry the PAC has against religion, and I say this a progressive atheist.

  • @genebarker1023
    @genebarker1023 Рік тому +45

    BYU is a great school. Of course I am a fan, I attended there 60 years ago when wining 2 football games a season and a handful of basketball games was a good year. I made lifelong friends there that I still talk to often. I am glad they are part of the Big 12, and I think they will enjoy coming to Provo and BYU will be gracious hosts will love having them there. Lot's of fun.

    • @dfausti66
      @dfausti66 Рік тому

      @genebarker1023, While I have not been watching BYU football for 60 years, I have been watching for 50 years. I remember those seasons of what were deemed good years. I also am grateful to have our BYU Cougars as members of the Big XII. The kindness and hospitality among the Big XII schools is unmatched anywhere in the nation. I thank all those who have welcomed us in. I only hope we can be worthy competitors to each of the powerhouses of every school that is the Big XII.

  • @drewminalga1375
    @drewminalga1375 Рік тому +48

    As a BYU fan, I'm so excited to be in a conference with amazing and invested fan bases all around! I love the conference pride. Looking forward to renewing the old conference rivalry with TCU, continuing to forge a budding rivalry with Baylor, and road tripping to Lubbock to see Tech👆

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +3

      TCU here: looking forward to the game in Fort Worth. Should be fun. Welcome aboard.

    • @aweeks6649
      @aweeks6649 Рік тому

      Texas Tech here! We have a lot of fun at the Big 12 games....just don't take us too seriously 🤣 We have been known to insult the other teams....just ask TCU.

    • @craigjacobs4801
      @craigjacobs4801 Рік тому

      @@aweeks6649 We have been known to be insulted by other teams, so all's good.

  • @richardcondie5014
    @richardcondie5014 Рік тому +85

    As a BYU alum living in College Station I am very excited to have more chances to see the Cougs play. So happy to be in the Big12

    • @ReisterJP
      @ReisterJP Рік тому

      Texas A&M reminds me of BYU in many ways minus Space Jesus of course.

  • @MountaineerAthletes
    @MountaineerAthletes Рік тому +115

    I agree I definitely have to admit the BYU Fanbase has been awesome. They have a passionate fanbase just like most of the big 12 teams have they are a good fit.

  • @Bananakin7
    @Bananakin7 Рік тому +32

    BYU fan, I'd much rather be in the Big 12. Also when it was first announced I started watching more and more Big 12 sports and I've loved watching K State, bet you're having a blast watching them too

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +8

      Big things seem to be rolling the Big12s way. Glad to see us all with a great future.

    • @kalebschumaker1035
      @kalebschumaker1035 Рік тому +13

      As a K-State fan I started tuning in to more BYU games too! Honestly when the new teams were announced I found myself watching all the new schools because you all already felt like a part of the family I love having every one of the new schools in our conference

    • @Big12rocks
      @Big12rocks Рік тому +3

      Great KSU game last night! Hoping for them to go ALL - THE - WAY!

    • @kalebschumaker1035
      @kalebschumaker1035 Рік тому +2

      @@Big12rocks I hope we make the Big 12 proud!

  • @zachcutler7342
    @zachcutler7342 Рік тому +9

    I hope Utah joins the Big12… As a Utah grad I’m sick and tired of these liberal West Coast schools and the impact it’s having on our culture. I’m ready to join a bunch of tough Midwestern dudes and plays a real football with passion of fans who still love the game. Bring back the BYU rivalry!

    • @dfausti66
      @dfausti66 Рік тому +1

      BYU fan here. While I would be happy for Utah to join the Big XII, I worry that Utah joining would pit all of the other Big XII teams against Utah each and every game they play in the Big XII. Every week would be a heated rivalry against Utah. If you are alright with this, then bring it! With some of the comments from fans of other teams in the Big XII, your rivalry with them may be hotter than anything you ever imagined with BYU. The Holy War would seem like a puny and cordial little meet-and-greet rivalry compared to the serious powerhouses that await the Utes within the Big XII. Of course, if that is what you want, the Big XII will welcome you to rivalries not seen since the dawn of time. Beware, every single team in the Big 12 in any season could take the national championship. Every game is a war for the national championship. Just let us know if we can count you all the way in with us!

    • @ImYourHuckleberry205
      @ImYourHuckleberry205 Рік тому

      Thats a no for utah to join the big 12

  • @Vingancia06
    @Vingancia06 Рік тому +20

    That is strictly TV revenue. That does not factor in gate receipts. Watch any football or men's basketball game when BYU plays on the road at a Pac-12 school and count the blue shirts.
    And that's not even really travelling well. That's just BYU fans that happen to live within 20 Miles or so of those stadiums.
    There is a reason Pac-12 schools loved scheduling BYU. BYU puts butts in seats.
    They've lost that now. BYU simply will not have blank spaces on their schedule to travel to Pac 12 country as often.

    • @iRangoTango
      @iRangoTango Рік тому +13

      Your comment is spot on! BYU probably does "travel well", but it's hard to tell with all the "local BYU fans" coming to support them. I've gone to many, many BYU away games and just love to see our fans in attendance. And we do get heckled at times, but it's worth it. I now live in Amarillo, TX, and will gladly drive 2 hrs to Lubbock to support BYU teams playing at TT. Go Cougs!

  • @BigJack512
    @BigJack512 Рік тому +24

    Great to be in the same conference as BYU

    • @michcoug1760
      @michcoug1760 Рік тому

      Can't wait to see the Coogs in Provo brother !! It's gonna be great !!

  • @davidbass255
    @davidbass255 Рік тому +125

    BYU has been trying, since the early 90's, to get into the PAC. It was the best geographic fit, and most of BYU's alumni who leave Utah stay west of the Rockies. BUT that ship has sailed, and now I find myself more and more stoked to see my Cougars in the BIG12. Go Cougs!

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +9

      Football & Basketball will both be improved. Luv it.

    • @davehill3242
      @davehill3242 Рік тому +2

      You mean the watered down big 12?? Once Oklahoma and Texas leave it will be a mid-major conf

    • @CougarFan827
      @CougarFan827 Рік тому +25

      @@davehill3242 The "watered down" Big12 will be just fine without Texas and Oklahoma. How will the pac do without USC and UCLA......and Oregon and Washington.......and then Arizona and Colorado?

    • @JT-rx1eo
      @JT-rx1eo Рік тому +3

      BYU had been itching to be invited to the PAC ever since I started following them in 1984.

    • @suuwooski6416
      @suuwooski6416 Рік тому +11

      @@davehill3242 really? The midmajor conference that just made the cfp natty and has won 3 ny6 games in the past 2 years?

  • @donthetrader
    @donthetrader Рік тому +15

    Congrat on your Cats doing so well.

  • @jeffmorgan9337
    @jeffmorgan9337 Рік тому +19

    Welcome , Mountaineers fan looking forward to the new big 12 .

    • @sam382
      @sam382 Рік тому +3

      I went to the BYU vs WV game at RFK stadium a few years back. It was a great game and atmosphere even though we lost. Respect to WV. Hope to make it to the game in Morgantown this year.

    • @jeffmorgan9337
      @jeffmorgan9337 Рік тому +3

      @@sam382 it is a great atmosphere 1 of the best in cfb on a Saturday Morgantown becomes the largest city in WV, and it will be rocking . Good luck

    • @stuartclements2304
      @stuartclements2304 Рік тому +1

      I hope to get a picture with the gold and blue dude when we come to WVU. He’s funny

    • @sam382
      @sam382 Рік тому

      @@stuartclements2304 I like Couz's Corner.

  • @CougarFan827
    @CougarFan827 Рік тому +18

    So happy to be in the Big12. Go Cougs. #truckstopconference

  • @orangehoof
    @orangehoof Рік тому +14

    Who can forget the "F--- the Mormons! F--- the Mormons!" chant wafting through Autzen Stadium last year? The PAC 12 - "Conference of Bigots".

  • @dustincallaway6657
    @dustincallaway6657 Рік тому +127

    I wanted BYU in the PAC for decades but I'm so glad to be in the Big 12 instead. It's an exciting league with passionate fans and a rockstar commissioner. Not missing the PAC one bit!

    • @Hiram27
      @Hiram27 Рік тому +2

      Wow, this aged perfectly. Now the same arrogance that kept other school like BYU out has killed the PAC-12, which really is pretty sad.

    • @aweeks6649
      @aweeks6649 Рік тому

      It is going to be fun! Raider Power!

    • @davidknecht
      @davidknecht Рік тому +1

      @@Hiram27 You mean PAC-4?

  • @roywall8169
    @roywall8169 Рік тому +14

    Go Cougs!

  • @Maester0
    @Maester0 Рік тому +7

    That's what they get for being arrogant! Now they about to be in shambles and being picked apart from big 10 and 12.

  • @Summitclym
    @Summitclym Рік тому +31

    Independence has been better than PAC12 for this BYU fan, being able to visit some great football venues over the years. B12 is a much better fit for BYU!

  • @louispapp7722
    @louispapp7722 Рік тому +24

    Go Woke Go Broke

  • @camharrison400
    @camharrison400 Рік тому +6

    BYU played 5 PAC-12 teams in 2021. Guess what happened they went 5-0 😅😂

  • @charlzdemar
    @charlzdemar Рік тому +78

    For the preceding about 30 years, BYU fans hoped to get into the PAC. BYU has tons of alumni on the west coast in the PAC footprint. The reality that BYU was never making it in had been building but was driven home in 2010 when the PAC10 expanded by grabbing Colorado and Utah, a much inferior value school than BYU, who was a clear #2 in the SLC TV market and didn’t bring the national eyeballs that BYU did/does.
    You could see the PAC rationale, you add a school in the SLC market without the religious issues and by giving them P5 money, they could hope Utah would grow stronger than its more valuable rival, despite being a lower value add at the time, which was only done so they could get to 12 and have a conference championship.
    BYU fans had to watch as their bitter little brother rival got a significant financial and recruiting advantage, and boy did Ute fans let them know about it. For the past 10 years+, new money Ute fans gloated and the Utah administration big timed BYU. They actually sabotaged BYU’s first attempt to go independent (the WAC other sports plan). They avoided scheduling BYU and caused the only hiatus in the 100+ year Holy War rivalry except only WWII. They openly and actively rubbed their P5 membership in BYU’s faces.
    THIS is the reason Utah fans are so defensive about the PAC and condescending about the Big12 - their entire identity has been placed in their PAC12 membership . Joining the Big12 means they have to let go of this notion of superiority to BYU. Not only would they have to compete with BYU for conference championships on level terms, they would no longer be able to hang on the arms of USC and UCLA and pretend they’re one of the cool kids like them. It’s a major identity crisis for them.
    Now, looking back, BYU fans could not be more excited and glad that they DIDN’T go to the PAC. The Big12 is sooooo much better in every way!!!

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +29

      TCU here: My school understands the journey from the dregs to the top. We understand the barbs and disrespect. Even after making it to the title game we are still seen as the little private school that over achieved. There will always be haters. Just don’t let that turn your program into a neighbor that nobody wants to live next to. Let the haters hate and just win. That solves s lot of problems

    • @Alex-bl6mu
      @Alex-bl6mu Рік тому +10

      Love the response. Couldn’t have summed it up better myself.

    • @jasonstott3001
      @jasonstott3001 Рік тому +8

      Extremely well said. This is exactly how it has been and is.

    • @RadioMan666
      @RadioMan666 Рік тому +10

      Charles DeMar hit a home run with this quick over view of BYU vs the PAC 10 and Utah. I have been a BYU fan since 1970. Raised in Southern California..seen it all. Utah Fans are insufferable.

    • @Big12rocks
      @Big12rocks Рік тому +9

      My sentiments exactly! So happy to be in the Big12 and wouldn’t mind seeing Utah go down when the pac disintegrates.

  • @TheTinfoilmanlive
    @TheTinfoilmanlive Рік тому +14

    Kansas State Wildcats men's basketball Now going to the Elite 8 💙💙💙

  • @sam382
    @sam382 Рік тому +142

    As a BYU fan I'm excited to be joining the Big12. Larger footprint and more passionate fan bases! 🤙🏼 Can't wait!

    • @tbow49
      @tbow49 Рік тому +25

      Glad you joined. I went to UTEP I remember the old WAC days!!

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +34

      TCU here: We’re with ya all the way. BYU adds value media wise and also adds to the strength of the conference. Strength of schedule matters. Sometimes it’s the deciding factor.

    • @ReisterJP
      @ReisterJP Рік тому +11

      ​@@tbow49 UTEP! I was at the 1985 byu vs utep game.

    • @fernandobermudez8546
      @fernandobermudez8546 Рік тому +24

      Ŧ Fan here, Welcome to the Big 12!!! Looking forward to this Fall!!

    • @clay2k452
      @clay2k452 Рік тому +24

      Baylor Fan here. Hope we can build a rivalry at some point. Welcome to the Big 12!

  • @cougartracks4442
    @cougartracks4442 Рік тому +27

    Thanks, John for all the kind comments sent to BYU. July 1 it all becomes official. It was great that the Big 12 gave BYU a shot at both Texas and Oklahoma in their final year in the conference. Much better landing spot for the Cougars than the PAC 12.

  • @TheTinfoilmanlive
    @TheTinfoilmanlive Рік тому +6

    the Pac 12 Cost the Pac 12 $240 Million😁😁😁

  • @boomtothesooner7426
    @boomtothesooner7426 Рік тому +61

    The Pac 12 not taking BYU decades ago was an epic fail. How do you go from having opportunities to get OU and Texas, and then several other Big 12 teams, and then BYU, and wind up looking at Colorado State? If they'd taken any 2 or more of those teams, they'd still have UCLA and USC most likely. They're dropping the ball every time opportunities present themselves, and it appears to me like the Pac 12 is playing checkers while the Big 12 is playing chess. They should feel humiliated.

    • @dacokc
      @dacokc Рік тому

      The PAC didn't want to add a religious school, also ESPN nuked the PAC12 expansion with the LHN.

    • @RavenThom
      @RavenThom Рік тому +2

      That was on Texas, they insisted on their own network

    • @METALGEARSOL1D
      @METALGEARSOL1D Рік тому +5

      They don't have much of a choice. Cal and Stanford would burn down the Pac12 before being in a conference with BYU. I love BYU, and I'm glad the Big12 scooped them up. It was a freaking layup to get them, but they're like Baylor, "toxic" religious schools.

    • @larrypilgrim12
      @larrypilgrim12 Рік тому

      ​@@METALGEARSOL1D you have no idea, 100 times worse than Baylor.

    • @grasm03
      @grasm03 Рік тому

      @@METALGEARSOL1D 😐

  • @CatsClaw44
    @CatsClaw44 Рік тому +17

    That's why I say the new members are additions not backfill. The AAC schools with the Legacy 8 would have retained the old 28 million per member TV deal and BYU added the additional 4 million per member or nearly 50 million per year! Unreal.

    • @lordrayden3045
      @lordrayden3045 Рік тому

      Yeah…… with inflation and other conference contracts that’s losing money
      But keep spinning

    • @michcoug1760
      @michcoug1760 Рік тому

      right on amigo !! couldn't have said it better

  • @dallenawesomeolsen
    @dallenawesomeolsen Рік тому +20

    Let's go Cougs!! I live in Texas and I am excited to join the Big12. Can't wait to go to the TCU and Texas game this year.

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +2

      Welcome aboard. See ya in Fort Worth.

    • @equalizer1946
      @equalizer1946 Рік тому

      Clogs play both Texas and TCU in Houston. Is that what you are referring to?

    • @michaelh101
      @michaelh101 Рік тому +2

      Excited for that BYU game, throwing it back to the Mountain West days

  • @christianthorpe935
    @christianthorpe935 Рік тому +15

    Sees title, hits Like. #GoCougs

  • @thomassweeney4494
    @thomassweeney4494 Рік тому +10

    Zero sympathy for the PAC 10.

  • @mattmoon3865
    @mattmoon3865 Рік тому +6

    I love the Pac 12 looking like idiots

  • @drewgunderson1172
    @drewgunderson1172 Рік тому +12

    I am one of the few BYU fans that never wanted BYU to be part of the Pac 10. As a teenager playing college football video games, I turned down conference invites to BYU from the Pac 10. I always waited for the invite from my favorite conference, The Big XII. Once there, I turned down invites to every other conference. While I do wish Texas and Oklahoma were staying, BYU is finally where it has always belonged.

  • @trile8
    @trile8 Рік тому +32

    We love BYU IMO Big 12 have the better “Utah “ school

    • @2009blahblah
      @2009blahblah Рік тому

      Now they got utah to big 12 has survived for now see what the next decade brings

  • @DerGlaetze
    @DerGlaetze Рік тому +7

    Karma for the PAC12. No tears shed here.

  • @SkylarHillebrant
    @SkylarHillebrant Рік тому +15

    Let’s not be too hard on Utah fans. After all their obsession with BYU is a big reason why BYU makes such a impact on ratings

  • @staleydu1
    @staleydu1 Рік тому +22

    Anything that pokes at the PAC is good in my book. Congrats to K State

  • @kingbaldwiniv5409
    @kingbaldwiniv5409 Рік тому +32

    The Pac 10/12 is effete.
    Turning their noses up at BYU is a strong piece of evidence.
    With the way BYU was treated at a road game at Oregon, maybe that sort of repulsive behavior against BYU was what motivated them to preclude the Cougars.
    Happy to have BYU in the Big XII.

    • @kalebschumaker1035
      @kalebschumaker1035 Рік тому +12

      How was the treatment y’all received in Waco two years ago honest question? I want and hope all our schools treat you graciously when you come to campus especially my Wildcats

    • @scmndm
      @scmndm Рік тому +6

      I wasn’t there, but everything I have heard was positive about the trip to Waco…from the team and fans.

    • @jeremims9044
      @jeremims9044 Рік тому +3

      Same thing happened at USC several years ago when BYU played there.

    • @techsunbreakrooms5920
      @techsunbreakrooms5920 Рік тому +5

      I was there in 2021 in person. Had never been to McLane stadium before that game and was treated VERY well. Hope the favor felt returned when BU visited BYU in 22.

    • @Timbarooh
      @Timbarooh Рік тому +1

      @Kaleb, all of the cougar boards I'm on were super impressed with the reception BYU received in Waco, especially during the pre game parade. I think Baylor fans really enjoyed Provo last year, too.

  • @vegascougar
    @vegascougar Рік тому +8

    Big XII is a better fit, I personally couldn't be happier. Utah can just go and pretend that it is a Stanford or Cal now because everyone knows playing football with a college magically makes you the academic equivalent of that college.

    • @vegascougar
      @vegascougar Рік тому +1

      Hopefully for Stanford and Cal that only works one way. That being said, I'm guessing not many Stanford or Cal grads are bragging about their schools being just like Utah.

  • @danstephensen9032
    @danstephensen9032 Рік тому +14

    It could be that BYU has possibly been more financially solvent than a large number of other schools. Also BYU has always been way ahead of most other schools in technology, broadcasting equipment, and talent to run those systems.

    • @oogrooq
      @oogrooq Рік тому +1

      They are also owned by a Worldwide cult and racketeering outfit.

    • @dogg-paws
      @dogg-paws Рік тому +1

      @@oogrooq You're gonna need to provide proof if you want to convince the court of those outrageous claims.

  • @richiebambara3980
    @richiebambara3980 Рік тому +7

    The PAC-12’s religious bigotry is hurting the conference.

  • @RANDALLBRIGGS
    @RANDALLBRIGGS Рік тому +6

    Anti-religious, specifically anti-Mormon, bigotry costs the Pac-12 in the pocketbook. That's going to be the proverbial gift that keeps on giving.

  • @danjohnson8556
    @danjohnson8556 Рік тому +12

    I can definitely picture ESPN trying to hint to the Pack-12 to add BYU because it would be good for business, but the higher-ups in the Pack-12 making choices based on ideology. Charma. Vindication. Let those Star-Bellied Sneeches wither into irrelevance.

    • @cmyoung14
      @cmyoung14 Рік тому

      This comment aged well!

  • @nealljones
    @nealljones Рік тому +12

    BYU fan here. PAC-12 arrogance is expensive. BYU would have been happy (was, in fact, desperate for years) to join the PAC-12. Glad to align with the Big XII. I have many U of Utah alums as friends. Wish them all the best in these (increasingly stressful) negotiations...

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +2

      I agree. Arrogance is always costly and ugly. Big12 has some of the biggest rivalries in the country but now that Texas is gone we all support the conference & hope the best for all of us.

  • @christophere.herbert418
    @christophere.herbert418 Рік тому +14

    Really, really, really looking forward to seeing the BIG12 Logo on the different sports fields and floors in the near future. Each of the other BIG12 sports teams are going to be surprised by how many BYU fans show up to their games because of so many members of the church that live in their areas will become season ticket holders or buying specifically the BYU scheduled games.

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +1

      We look forward to a great season with you guys. Can’t wait for opening day in Fort Worth

    • @christophere.herbert418
      @christophere.herbert418 Рік тому

      @@craig5477 Last year when Baylor came to BYU for football, it was a very close game that could have gone either way up to the very end. I was impressed with Baylor, their players and coaches were a class above many previous teams we've played before. Was hoping to play at Baylor this year for that rivalry to start to see who would come out ahead again, but the schedule didn't work out that way for 2023. Since you mentioned Fort Worth, are you TCU? Used to enjoy those games with TCU years ago, then TCU kept getting better and we lost more in the end. The Horned Frog mascot was very good.

  • @kjsmart67
    @kjsmart67 Рік тому +15

    I'm a BYU graduate and have been a BYU fan for decades. I grew up going to BYU football games (my father was a professor there). I now live in Albuquerque and I still have season tickets (although I only go to about three games). I am looking forward to going to Tx to see some of the games in the future. As far as the Utah sports market, BYU football is the #1 draw, the Utah Jazz are second, and Utah football is third. I also never understood the whole academics argument given that BYU is rated #89 higher than Utah's #105. The PAC was not interested due to religious bigotry rather than anything else. As a BYU fan, we have seen that religious bigotry when playing the USC, Stanford, and Oregon (who espouse their tolerance). I am glad that BYU is in the Big XII rather than the PAC-6/8/10/"12."

    • @daviderickson5478
      @daviderickson5478 Рік тому

      Nice try chief! Coug is not the #1 draw. As far as academics is concerned, byu-provo doesn't have the research and graduate programs to compare to Utah. Law school, business school don't draw the research $$. Why do you always have to play the victim card? If you want to go through life like that go for it. I am guessing that we are of the same faith, but instead of being a victim I am proud of my faith and don't allow others to tread on it.

    • @JT-rx1eo
      @JT-rx1eo Рік тому +3

      ​@@daviderickson5478 Virtue signal much! 😂 So much of the undergraduate U of U student body is bitter and resentful because they were rejected admittance to BYU. That's where a lot of the nastiness from U of U fans come from. The question of "research" or teaching institution is simply a matter of orientation and mission of the universities. Says nothing of relative prestige. It's the undergraduate presence that is the driver of the university athletics. And in that regard, BYU wins.

  • @michcoug1760
    @michcoug1760 Рік тому +9

    Thank you John for getting the math right. Even Harmon screwed it up along with Monty and his boy......math majors they are not

  • @JosiahWilson-yt9dl
    @JosiahWilson-yt9dl Рік тому +7

    Finally someone said it. The pious Pac of ex champions.

  • @marvinwatkins-un4xf
    @marvinwatkins-un4xf Рік тому +9

    Was a Tx a&m fan went to sec was a Tx fan also moving to sec now I am going to be a byu or houston fan going to take a year to make up my mind. All I can say is welcome to the big 12 Cincinnati, ucf, houston, & byu. If none of the pack 12 wants let them die with the pack 12 and let's go get some schools that do want to join. GO BIG 12 😍❤

  • @ronaldshaw9148
    @ronaldshaw9148 Рік тому +9

    Interesting to see an actual dollar evaluation for BYU. Curious how much $$ adding the 4- B12 teams would have been worth to the Pac when OUT announced their departure. Probably would have put the Pac at 50+ mil WITH USCLA and 40+ mil without them. Either way, they would have been competing with one less power 5 conference for TV rights because it would have decimated the B12 into extinction or at the very least, knocked their revenue down to a G5 level.
    It may now be the other way around. Sure makes me glad we have a visionary like Yormark as the head of our conference. P 1n

  • @drewhirsch9155
    @drewhirsch9155 Рік тому +9

    I've been to BYU fan for 45 years and I'm so glad that BYU finally got into the Big 12!

  • @smuggythornton
    @smuggythornton Рік тому +5

    Yep, thank goodness we didn’t join them.

  • @phav1832
    @phav1832 Рік тому +6

    Kurtz is very diplomatic when he refers to the PAC12 "hubris" rather than calling them snobs . . . When playing sports, I never did get what having a friendly ball game between two institutions had to do with one's religious beliefs or academic research . . . but I guess some can't separate the two.

  • @alanblacker7469
    @alanblacker7469 Рік тому +7

    Not only is BYU good at increasing conference revenues. BYU also increases revenues for social media content creators 😂

  • @jasonmoore6448
    @jasonmoore6448 Рік тому +6

    There is a road trip to Miller Park in my future…and I can’t wait! #wreckem

  • @tombob671
    @tombob671 Рік тому +15

    Not a Mormon but I can attest to the fact that dealing with the LDS they are honest, forthright and solid folks. I am thrilled to have BYU in our conference!

    • @skylesthelimit
      @skylesthelimit Рік тому +2

      Mostly. Unfortunately, there are some bad ones in every bunch. We’re excited to be in the conference and ecstatic for the general reception we’ve received.

    • @glennlewman4186
      @glennlewman4186 Рік тому +1

      Thanks

  • @shortsallyear8602
    @shortsallyear8602 Рік тому +8

    I’m very happy that we are in the Big12.

  • @redraider6855
    @redraider6855 Рік тому +6

    Congrats to your Cats, John. This Red Raider is pulling for K-State the rest of the way in March Madness!

  • @RohoSombrero
    @RohoSombrero Рік тому +3

    Karma is a bitch. BYU fans have been appalled by the behavior of Utah and The PAC-12 for over a decade now and it’s come from the very top down, the administration, AD’s coaches and fans. I think BYU always thought it was just a good natured rivalry, but Utah has made it clear they literally HATE BYU. I’ve given up trying to figure out why.

  • @jt4jt4
    @jt4jt4 Рік тому +4

    I honestly think the Pac-12 is still intact with USC and UCLA if BYU is part of it, but *not* because BYU is "all that" on its own. Rather, it's how the conference would have looked and felt with BYU instead of Colorado. One thing that would have been achieved with BYU instead of Colorado was keeping the same identity across the conference from a natural rivalry standpoint. The Pac, unlike any other conference, always had natural rivalries in each state or geographic region. UW/WSU. UO/OSU. Cal/Stanford. USC/UCLA. The Pac-8 invited UA/ASU to become the Pac-10. If Nevada had two strong schools, they would have been the next logical targets, but Nevada/UNLV would have added little to the conference package, so the state of Utah would have been the next choice, and BYU/Utah were both very solid programs with a rivalry that is frankly as passionate as many around the country. The Pac really blew it from that perspective.
    BYU, on its own, would have added *far* more from a competition standpoint than Colorado, in part because of their natural desire to be competitive, and in part because they have so many fans who either live in the respective school's areas, or who will travel 4-6 hours by car, or 2+ hours by plane, to see their team play once a year. I remember going to USC years ago. I lived in Orange County at the time--about an hour away with normal SoCal traffic--and my dad traveled from Utah to go to the game with me. I overheard USC staff and ticket takers outside the Coliseum asking each other, "where are all these BYU fans coming from?" And you see that repeated everywhere BYU travels to across the country, but especially in the West.
    Relatedly, BYU would likely have raised the competition level precisely because there would have been more urgency to keep BYU from winning the conference due to its religious affiliation. Utah has won the last couple of years because USC, Oregon, and Washington aren't playing up to their capabilities. And the conference is in a malaise because of it; no one on the national level cares if Utah wins the Pac-12, as would be the case if, say, WSU, OSU, or UA won it. If BYU were part of the conference and were threatening to win it, there would certainly have been additional impetus to fix whatever problems certain schools had, to right their respective ships and put themselves in the position to win. I imagine the Pac leadership looked at Colorado as more of a viable threat when they were invited before Utah, but CU winning--as has been the case with Utah--wouldn't have fanned that fire like BYU winning would have. And look at the state of the Pac, competitively. It's no wonder USC was willing to destroy decades of tradition and forge their own path. The Pac's fanbases have largely become apathetic over time. BYU, with its fanbase that is frankly a great fit for the Big 12 with its passion, would likely have spurred more interest as they visited other schools because their fans don't want to lose to BYU.
    Yes, it's easy to say that BYU wouldn't have made a big difference in the Pac but, when it's not just "on paper" and the actual elements that drive competition and interest are considered, inviting BYU with Utah instead of Colorado may have made all the difference necessary for the Pac to still be viable.

  • @lukeskywalker7461
    @lukeskywalker7461 Рік тому +9

    Can someone explain to me the relevance of being a research institution when it comes to being a member of an athletic league?

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому

      The research organization is the AAU. It only concerns itself with academic research and dolls out billions of dollars. They do not care which athletic conference a school is a member of. That money is designated for Research not athletics. The reason that subject gets tossed into these athletic platforms has to do with blowing their own horn and feeling superior to everyone that isn’t them. They are liberal elitist that only care about research and could care less if the schools sports teams die a slow death.

    • @jansonroberts2616
      @jansonroberts2616 Рік тому +5

      No relevance unless your in the PAC or B1G. Their legends in their own mind.

    • @machtschnell7452
      @machtschnell7452 Рік тому

      Universities are about research and academics. Poor ones only have football teams to talk about.

    • @machtschnell7452
      @machtschnell7452 Рік тому

      @@jansonroberts2616 They also under stand contractions. They're special, or at least educated.

    • @lukeskywalker7461
      @lukeskywalker7461 Рік тому +1

      @@machtschnell7452 Based on your answer, I'm guessing you went to a "poor one?"

  • @Kimmer
    @Kimmer Рік тому +9

    Great commentary John. It's apparent that Utah is a better fit than BYU with the politically liberal PAC-12 conference, or at least their university presidents. The arrogance and bigotry towards religion of the PAC-12 schools has circled around to bite them. It's clear that BYU is a great fit with the BIG-12 and I can't wait to watch them compete with like-minded institutions and passionate fan bases!

    • @danielkerber8667
      @danielkerber8667 Рік тому

      Bigotry is what kept BYU out of the pac12. Its a moot point now but lets not pretend here BYU own religious views were what kept them out. Bigotry against LGBT was never going to garner any support from any of the California schools. At the end of the day they are responsive to there own students and former student body and it was made abundantly clear they wanted no part of BYU because of there own views. The big 12 was always a better cultural fit for BYU.

  • @adamboal
    @adamboal Рік тому +8

    Love your updates and good luck to your Cats in the Elite 8.
    The news source you are quoting is “Deseret”, a reference to an unrecognized Mormon state that tried to join the US, and was part of their history in the west, not “Desert”.
    They pronounce it Dez-er-ett

  • @ervinjd
    @ervinjd Рік тому +3

    Pac 12 didn't wait a religious school like byu, but will take smu.....hypocrites

    • @dogg-paws
      @dogg-paws Рік тому

      They were desperate at that point... the Pac-12 undid themselves more than anything else.

  • @kerryturner1702
    @kerryturner1702 Рік тому +2

    BYU fans are thrilled to be in the big 12. Don't buy what the trolls are selling. If you don't believe me, go to any Deseret News article about BYU, I'd say close to half of the comments are from the hatters

  • @marboy01
    @marboy01 Рік тому +2

    I’m following more College Football due to BYU football adding to Big 12 it’s exciting living here in Australia 🇦🇺

  • @Arizona19844
    @Arizona19844 Рік тому +2

    Lol I’m laughing so hard utah fans have been giving byu crap now they finally have a leg up and have shut up Utah fans.

  • @glennlewman4186
    @glennlewman4186 Рік тому +2

    Cal and Stanford kept BYU out of the P12. Now Cal and Stanford seem irrelevant

  • @chubbrock659
    @chubbrock659 Рік тому +6

    The pac 12 is now equal to the mtn west

  • @timmyotool71
    @timmyotool71 Рік тому +5

    BYU fans love you! Keep up the good work.

    • @matthewhunsaker6799
      @matthewhunsaker6799 Рік тому +1

      Kurtz gets free cougartails and kettle corn any time he visits Provo sporting events!

  • @atindall728
    @atindall728 Рік тому +2

    I think it’s ok to decide to separate religion or include religious schools in a conference. In this environment. it’s supposed to be education first athletics second. I have no probs with byu and glad to have them in the big 12. That said it’s equally ok the pac decide against that. Certainly no reason to hate in them for doing or not doing. They would have made more money back then to. It’s not about the money either side. Both have more than they know what to do with and have great things to add to game. Hurts pac in money for athletics but the focus probably helps them in the education realm regardless the extra peanuts when you look at the grand scheme of things. Some thing are pointless to calculate.

    • @craig5477
      @craig5477 Рік тому +1

      Religious bigotry is not something I support. You do t have to live it but discrimination in any form be it race, sex it religion is not an American value I will support.

  • @caleblarsen5490
    @caleblarsen5490 Рік тому +2

    4 months later, as a BYU fan, all I've got to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @MarkMclaughlin-qm8kq
    @MarkMclaughlin-qm8kq Рік тому +2

    BYU is a blue dog school big 12 lucky to have them

  • @considerthetruth
    @considerthetruth Рік тому +1

    pac 12 is aweful. they lose almost all of their out of conference big games. their best win last year was Stanford over ND, and Stanford was aweful!

  • @jackmatheson4671
    @jackmatheson4671 Рік тому +1

    Crazy the Pac-12 chose extinction over accepting BYU into the conference. I do not envy the new travel schedules for USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Cal, Stanford. Does not seem tenable for "student" athletes.

  • @dougallen1769
    @dougallen1769 Рік тому +1

    Mistake. BYU is the Mormon Notre Dame with fans throughout the western half of the US. Now, Mormon population is much smaller in Big 12 country than filling stadiums in PAC12. Good for TV though.

  • @stevemoserify
    @stevemoserify Рік тому +6

    well well well...how the turntables have..

  • @FatsFan1956
    @FatsFan1956 Рік тому +1

    When the Big 12 offered membership to BYU, if the Pac 12 also had offered BYU membership and BYU had accepted, the Pac 12 probably would not have fallen apart.

  • @marklewis4554
    @marklewis4554 Рік тому +3

    That is funny!!! Sweet revenge, not that I should bask in it

  • @henryponnefz1419
    @henryponnefz1419 Рік тому +1

    On more PAC-12. What goes around comes around. None of them wanted BYU but now their conference will cease to exist. Honestly it is sad. But you know how life has a way to pay back all we do.

  • @daveduncan2748
    @daveduncan2748 Рік тому +1

    This has aged well. But you just didn't take it far enough. Now the PAC is seemingly nearing extinction with the Big12 salvaging some of the wreckage.

  • @BigT2664
    @BigT2664 Рік тому +1

    As we all know by now, the pac-12 has fallen apart and is now presumably in its final season. Will they be able to find a way to put it back together? But the question now is... How much did this situation play into the pac-12 imploding?

  • @paulgage7495
    @paulgage7495 Рік тому +1

    This just popped up in my feed and the fact that the PAC 12 is now blown up because of their lack of leadership from their commissioner is humorous.

  • @tonyschuman3869
    @tonyschuman3869 Рік тому +3

    they pass on BYU but want to take Southern Methodist? So some religions are better than others?

    • @karlchristen
      @karlchristen Рік тому

      It's funny, yes, the Cali liberals hate BYU politics, but they bring in Utah because they can't ignore the Utah market, but 70% of the Utah student base is LDS. But the 30% pink hair nose ring-wearing hippie Utes hate Mormons and BYU with a passion. They are also Democrats as well.

    • @TheFranchiseCA
      @TheFranchiseCA Рік тому

      SMU is separating from the Methodist Church, like USC did several decades ago.

    • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
      @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому

      @@TheFranchiseCA They ditched the UMC years ago for all the good it did them.

  • @johnfaris5376
    @johnfaris5376 Рік тому +5

    Hahaha
    Get woke, go broke, big choke. Raging example right here. BYU always drew well and played well against PAC 12 teams. Their natural rivalry with Utah and proximity to Arizona schools made them a no-brainer addition,. The holy war was as big a rivalry as any and made bank. even if they only had BYU now They would only have to look to add one other school, like SDSU, Another good BYU draw, and a natural rivalry for BYU, they would easily survive and wouldn’t take much of a money haircut. What is it they say, pride comes before The fall

  • @hunterallan1587
    @hunterallan1587 Рік тому +1

    Southern…. METHODIST… university. Anyone see a problem here?

  • @TheWoodHaven
    @TheWoodHaven Рік тому +2

    Good take, of course I am biased.

  • @mahonrimoriancumer9932
    @mahonrimoriancumer9932 Рік тому +4

    Nice job John. Go BYU!

  • @danmcdonald670
    @danmcdonald670 Рік тому +2

    As a BYU fan, it will be weird competing against other Big 12 teams because it has been like one big family! Big 12 schools are our brothers and we'll battle for our brothers any day!

    • @skylesthelimit
      @skylesthelimit Рік тому +1

      I know, right? I never expected to feel such a strong camaraderie with other schools.