I went to the school at Camp Robinson Arkansas spring of '06 (vote for Pedro! ; ). We didn't have a d-fac, had to stock up on pb and j on the weekends and keep it in our wall-lockers and rucks. Definitely increased the suck factor.
Marine Scout Sniper Course is generally known as the grandfather course as being the first established US Sniper School. Alongside precision fires and field craft, the course also puts emphasis on reconnaissance and mission planning, hence being a 12 week course. For the last week, they do a weeklong FINEX where it truly tests everything you have learned all while pushing you physically and mentally beyond your limits. They essentially train a Marine into being both a Scout and a Sniper, hence the name Scout Sniper.
So, the Infantryman, Special Forces Soldier and Ranger, as well as the Delta Force Counterterrorist Assaulter ,upon successful completion and graduation of Army Sniper School , are NOT awarded a separate MOS , like MOS 0317 ( USMC Scout- Sniper) , but instead, are awarded the ASI of Bravo Four ( B4).
When I was in the Army National Guard my Scout Platoon had a entire squad of snipers. I was assistant squad leader of that squad. I didn't get to go to Sniper School, but my squad leader trained me to be an observer and counter -sniper techniques. All of us were 11B or 19D. I also held an 11H MOS.
I was a scout as well from 99 to 2003 and there was like four in our troop that were sniper qualified, and they would teach others in the troop things they had been taught as well .
Did basic sniper summer of 88 using ART-2 scopes and M-21’s from the AMU- this was not too long after the program was brought back to life. Went through a ton of scopes as they were on their last breath. The stalks were beyond stressful as was range estimation but it set me up for later attendance at SOTIC. Fieldcraft at the basic course was harder than SOTIC. RLTW/DOL!
I went in 1987, it was the hardest thing I ever accomplished. Worst thing for me was wading thru mucky nasty cold water that eveyone's fucking peeing with all your equipment for what seems like forever. Range est was my worst - actual shooting is my best. Only shooting im not good at is on water so the navy & Coast Guard snipers are on another level far as im concerned. On land Im the best but on water nope!
Im a formal Special Forces Sniper (spec-ops) and if you thought regular sniper school was bad, man you have yet to see what special forces sniper school puts you through. STAY HARD!!! 🤟
I know I've requested this before, sir, but can you do videos on the five tier 1 special operations units? It's unlikely that I'm the only one whose asked about at least one of these five units. You've said that special operators are the best of the best. Well, at the risk of sounding redundant, then by that logic, shouldn't these guys the best of the best of the best? I want to hear about them from a retired special forces colonel. It goes without saying that nothing classified can be put on UA-cam. While you obviously already know, here's whom I'm taking about; -Regimental Reconnaissance Company: Part of the 75th Ranger Regiment and only has the best among Army Rangers. -Intelligence Support Activity: Obviously recruits from army special ops like the Regimental Reconnaissance Company and Delta Force, but unclear on whether or not they recruit from the other branches. -Delta Force: Recruits from all four branches! Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force! -SEAL Team Six: Only the best among Navy SEALs and select Navy SWCCs. -24th Special Tactics Squadron: Only the best among Pararescue, TACPs, Combat Controllers, and Special Reconnaissance.
@@reinaldotorrente1210 I am aware. However, there are certain Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force special operations personnel that have tried out for and succeeded in becoming Delta Force operators. Those would be usually SEALs, Recon, MARSOC, and Battlefield Airmen. I believe they do have to transfer from their current branch to the army and take up an army MOS (I’m guessing usually an 18-series Special Forces MOS). In his book, David Goggins wrote about how he tried out for both DEVGRU and Delta as an active duty SEAL, but failed both (not criticizing him as simply being allowed to go to selection for those units are each an impressive enough feat on its own).
Yes and no. Many of the tripods now used in PRS started in more specialized units more so than Big Army snipers. It’d probably be more accurate to say that the military started it while PRS perfected it. I know that some of the PRS style matches and training is what is making our snipers better, particularly because military snipers usually are training on a flat range without all the obstacles to shoot on/over/under/around/through, and they preach getting set up perfectly for the shot. So when Military snipers tried PRS many lost because they couldn’t get that perfectly built position, or at least not in time. Obviously many of the Group snipers were receiving that training but not line units until about 8-10 years ago.
I was a sniper in the third ranger battalion.. we have the best sniper School in the military.. just don't believe that one shot one kill s***t that's b*******t
Can you do a video on Army SFAB? I’m curious about joining them & hearing if you have any experiences with them since I hear SFAB work sometimes along side Special forces in training foreign soldiers.
The only thing I really don't agree with in this particular course is that they drop people when they get too many no-gos. A lot of these people are already doing the job. They should be allowed to finish the course and get the training, even if they do not graduate. It isn't like hell week or some other pre-training where you are trying to weed people out before they go on to an entirely different high speed unit. It is a technical course. The information is valuable even if you don't pass. They are already there. It is just a huge waste to treat this particular course like some kind of qualification program for people who are literally doing the job already. They just go to war without proper training.
Although your argument sounds valid, continuing to train someone who cannot meet expectations is like trying to teach a baby how to run when it can't even walk. Most courses are usually structured in a manner where core skills are taught early on and will become necessary in order to learn more follow-on skills within the course. These follow-on skills generally require that you understand the prior skills to a certain level of proficiency in order to make those follow-on skills effective. Without such proficiency, this can degrade the quality of the follow-on skills. This course is of no exception, especially when this course can officially qualify individuals for the ASI modifier B4. Being on the job does not excuse individuals to be able to take the course the entire way through just for the training factor if they fail. If that was the case, then units can just send their entire recon platoons into the course and expect everyone to be trained up on it whether they pass or fail. Doing so will require more funding and courses ran annually to accommodate for such. This can also saturate the student to instructor ratio, which can lower the quality of training. Given that this course provides very specialized training, an attendance cap must be enforced to provide the highest quality level of training. When quality is sacrificed, then casualties will be increased. It is generally better to have qualified and quality individuals trained for the job rather than mass producing it. Those who fail the course don't essentially mean that they don't get the proper training to go to war, but rather now have better understanding at what their weaknesses are so they can hone on them more as well as perfect other necessary skills. Also, units take it upon themselves to train these individuals to a certain degree before deploying so they aren't just going out there without proper training. Suffer Patiently, Patiently Suffer
@@RedxCode So you are saying if people show up to basic and fail the grenade throw, they should get pulled out of Basic and AIT and sent to an infantry unit immediately? That is kind of what you are saying. There is already an attendance cap before the school starts. That is not the issue. The issue is the ridiculous attrition rate for people who are expected to be doing the job. Sniper course is not an elite qualifications test. It is the skills training for the job, which people are already doing. It is just another military school. You seem to have an idealized view of being a sniper where it is some kind of manly test and a special club. No. That is incorrect. Even in the marines it is simply just another MOS. In the army it is just a job you get. To deny people the actual training, who are already at the school, and who are already doing the job, is just nonsense. And your claim that allowing people to finish training will create higher casualties--Well, think that mess over. The value of this course is to train people, not to join a club, or earn a badge.
@@OakInch What you are mentioning completely contradicts everything that I have mentioned in my previous statement. It seems as if you have completely misinterpreted the point I am trying to get across. There are many skills within a lot of technical schools that can be taught with great efficiency to both a small and large class setting and even some that are more for familiarization such as the grenade throw. Do note that some of these skills are not essentially vital to learn, hence why it is more of a familiarization rather than evaluation. As majority of courses are provided with only so much funding, they have to be able to teach as many students as possible while maintaining efficiency. Furthermore, units are expected to provide further training through in-unit training due to the varied unit SOPs or through sending them to advanced courses. Throughout history, there are some skills that have been proven to be very difficult to teach unless more specialized care and instruction is emplaced upon it, such as precision marksmanship and stalking. Such skillsets, if taught in a mass setting, degrades the quality of performance that the individual is expected to meet even if it provides familiarization. Having prior first-hand experience with this and having worked with the sniper school house, everything that is taught to sniper students is essential to their mission. It is vital that these skillsets must be held to an expected standard in order to qualify them and continue teaching them more follow-on skills in the course. Even despite it being considered a technical course, it is still an MOS/API producing course, so standards must be held. Also, do note that none of the course evaluation and doctrine is withheld from units and can be sent to them upon request. Units generally have this information to train their members in these skillsets prior to attending the courses to ensure that they already have a good fundamental of the skillset. In response to your arguments given in your previous statement, anyone who fails the grenade throw will get remediated a certain amount of times before they are recycled into another Basic or AIT course, which is an extremely rare case since it is generally done for familiarization training only. Also, AIT is a primary MOS producing course. The Sniper courses only assigns a secondary MOS or API modifier upon completion, with recon/scout/sniper platoons being considered a subset field of work in units but necessary, hence why anyone who joins those platoons do not have to qualify as a sniper first to do the job. Furthermore, no primary MOS producing course will allow for any individual who fails any particular evaluation to be assigned to a unit with that primary MOS, but that is not always the case with secondary MOS or API modifiers. If primary MOS courses did, then you would have "trained" individuals who do not meet expectations within that primary field of work. Also, I am not placing any emphasis on having an idealized view of a sniper; that is in fact more of a reality. Despite how many times units (and preparatory courses, which no longer exists) train individuals for the sniper course, great candidates still fail despite having been taught everything numerous amounts of times. Whether individuals pass or not, they are already provided the information and can still do the job without the qualification, except that it is just not to a certain degree of proficiency. What the qualification provides is chances to further increase your skillset in more advanced skills. Once again, units already have this information at their disposal. The course mostly serves as a familiarization and secondary MOS/API producing course rather than an absolute qualification to do the line of work. That's why the sniper communities of qualified individuals takes great pride in their work, as it proves difficult to actually do even for the most stellar of individuals. Suffer Patiently, Patiently Suffer
@@RedxCode You keep trying to make sniper out as a legendary elite status. It is not. The school is a training school, not a per-qualification attempt to wash people out for an elite unit. There is absolutely nothing you are going to write that is going to convince anyone that not training people makes them better at a job. It is not about earning a badge. It is not an elite unit. It is not a test of your manliness. It is a training course for people who are already doing the job. The school is not filling sniper slots. They are already filled. No. I didn't twist your logic at all. You just have a misunderstanding of what sniper school is. You don't consider it to be training. You consider it to be a washout pre-qualification for an elite unit. If that is the case, why are people who have never even been trained doing it? And they are doing it, no matter what you think about MOS identifiers. I personally spent a year as a 19D, with zero training. Do not confuse needs and qualifications. Your arguments are nonsense. There is no reason not to allow these guys to finish the training, even if they do not graduate. And yes, not training people generates much higher casualties.
@@OakInch Once again, a twist on words. There has been no mention of making the term sniper an elite term; it has its own merits in its own place and it proves difficult in its own ways. Essentially every school is a training school, regardless whether it is MOS producing or not. Also, this is not denying training, as this school is meant more for an MOS/API qualification. In fact, a lot of training schools drop unqualified individuals to reduce the pool size. As mentioned before, reducing the amount of attendees also increases the quality of training, which is essential for this job as well as other jobs. It is required in the TNR manuals to teach it while just about all attendees have already been pre-exposed to it for a while for qualification purposes whilst still providing training. Units already take it upon themselves to train individuals to a certain level of proficiency, it just may not be to a school house proficiency. In the Marines, there used to be Division-established pre-sniper courses that provide all the essential training needed for sniper school and does nothing more than working on building proficiency. These courses are training courses and put emphasis on such. This would be the best route to go forward with what you are mentioning, as it builds lots of proficiency in a more condensed amount of time. Most who do the job don't do it for anything else other than the intrinsic factor behind it. It isn't an established unit (although it has existed in the past for Marines and they recently attempted to re-establish it as such but later disbanded it due to the new Force Design 2030) so there is no elite unit status behind it. Manliness can be loosely defined per individual and this isn't what the course is meant for. It sounds as if you have misconception of my views on sniper school; aforementioned it is more of a qualifications course whilst still providing training. I am not discrediting the training aspect, as training is still an important factor in it but it mostly evaluates the necessary qualifications. Everyone who attends knows that there is no elite unit at the end of it when completed, it just provides a level of prestige that allows for those qualified individuals to expand further with their skillsets. Also, to state, a lot of jobs can be taught with zero training, it just comes down to job difficulty in terms of teaching as well as having the right mindset that really sets those individuals apart. Needs and qualifications are vastly different and that is something that is well understood. By the logic of having everyone complete courses whether it be pass or fail, that means then all technical schools should allow all attendees to complete their given courses the entire way through. This would mean that any individual who gets sent to any particular school will be expected to remain there for the entirety of it. This can be a burden on units, especially when such individuals are needed in a unit's ops tempo, and doing so will require extra funding to allow for every individual to complete such courses. That means that every Soldier/Marine can just attend certain schools such Ranger School and be expected to finish it with or without a cert just to enhance their skillsets. The military is all about efficiency and money but primarily money; if they can spend the least amount of money to train someone, then they will go about doing so. Speaking from a prior instructor's perspective and first-hand experience in the profession, I do however agree that there needs to be some kind of course that must be implemented to train or help with familiarity of these skillsets, especially to individuals on the job without the chance of dropping from too many failures as the training does nonetheless prove invaluable. Units can be limited on time and range of capacity for assisting in such skillsets. Aforementioned above, that is what the Marine pre-sniper course was established for. Since you seem so adamant about your point, if you wish to seek further information, please feel free to reach out at (760) 725-7143. Thank you. Suffer Patiently, Patiently Suffer
If this is anything like today's Ranger School, I'm betting a 41-year-old mother of 4 with a wooden leg and astigmatism graduated from this school. I'm sure she's back commanding a Ranger company now. Today's military is a joke.
They're probably allowing 11C's because of the turnover rate and most mortar guys are pretty tough and can guarantee that they have a understanding of mathematics because of working with the Mortar systems...
Yeah, I was an 11C gun squad leader in ‘92, graduated as the “Top Gun” in my class at Sniper School. Got back to my unit and they said “Forget all that high-speed crap and get back on your tube” 😅
The US sniper courses super easy... I thought I was applying for a job at Amazon but it turned out it was the US army. They put me on a bus and with no qualifications or training in just four short years I was a US army sniper too!
The sniper course is hard for sub standard people. It weeds them out. Superior candidates pass. Cream rises to the top. Keep risin' to the top While my mind say Give it all you got, give it all you got, give it all you got Ain't no half steppin' Give it all you got, give it all you got
There is no USCG sniper course. All branches of the military take the US Army sniper course to become sniper qualified when they return to their units.
In philippines, army sniper school will require you to stand straight while holding the stick with target balloons on both edges then your buddy from distance will have to shoot it using an old m14 without improved scope but just iron sight. You just need to pray that your buddy will not hit your nuts😂
The newest US sniper rifle, a clone of the civilian BARRETT MRAD, is the BEST sniper rifle we have ever fielded. It is as good as any other sniper rifle in the world and better than all but two others, namely the British and Finnish sniper rifles. Ghillie suits must now be able to incorporate thermal concealment.
alot of guns were no good I had in the military especially for sniper school,they were missing parts of the stands or to old,I bought my own that were awesome,black oops,but alot of things people teach are not right ....
I like the guys comment about three of the five longest shots in history are canadian snipers, give me a fucking break confirmed shots are a joke I am not a sniper but have known many! There gave been tons of shots taken and made way beyond whats on paper plus think about snipers of the old days when they didn’t keep good records or have the equipment we do nowadays and snipers up through vietnam worked alone mostly so they did the job of two. Vietnam some snipers did start off in teams but for instance the white feather worked alone
During WW1, when the trade was in its infancy, the best candidates were hunters who were used to working in miserable climate conditions. Namely Scottish gamekeepers and Canadian farmboys.
Don't know if it still exists on the platform, but there used to be a sniper vid here on YT of a Canadian sniper in AFG on one mountain shooting guys on another mountain and you just see body parts fly off the side of the mountain.
Think of it as being put under stress while taking long shots. Run 1000 yards, stop, acquire target, send it. Blanks and grenade simulators fire near by. All types of stressors to ensure you can still think and act while under that stimulation. And some yelling and PT and general bullshit.
I have known of 1 Army MP that had already graduated the MP Marksman Observer course be signed up for infantry sniper school. He wasn’t able to attend unfortunately. This was pre-9/11. That said, I do know that prior trained snipers that have reclassed to MP have attended the course and failed because of the stringent group requirements. Don’t let anyone fool you with talk of long distance marksmanship for any LEO sniper, the longest is around 300m confirmed for a sniper in a designated role using an actual sniper rifle. The vast majority of shots are best measured in FEET and not yards/meters, and because of this the MP SRT M/O school doesn’t (maybe further now) take a shot beyond 100m.
My teacher in grade school once pointed out how crazy it was for early American armies to stand out in the open and shoot at each other like they did. What he failed to realize is that it had something to do with honor. If they caught you hiding in the bushes, you'd be dishonorable. Today, they'll teach you how to hide in the bushes, they'll snipe you from a mile away and conquer your brain from much further! You're not REALLY hiding in the bushes when they have your brain on a wireless grid, you just think you are because they've advanced it into a full flipping mind control!
Interdict..another word for kill or murder. They are training to kill without pity or remorse or empathy for the target. After the mission they are debriefed or psychologically processed to forget what they have done.
Video was Dope! Graduated March 1989. Just in time for Panama in December. 😉👍 Never used so much shoe goo before 🤣🤣
Full of shit
"video was dope"
Not the shoe goo😂
Was a 3 week course back then. When did they change it over to 7?
A highly anticipated video. Fantastic as always. God bless you and your family.
I went to the school at Camp Robinson Arkansas spring of '06 (vote for Pedro! ; ). We didn't have a d-fac, had to stock up on pb and j on the weekends and keep it in our wall-lockers and rucks. Definitely increased the suck factor.
Was just there about a week ago. Was range staff for the Winston P Wilson Match
I went to the same one in Robinson/Chaffee in 2012. We didn’t get a DFAC either
Why did you join the ARMY Sniper school? Because it is DOPE!
Great info, thanks
That's life..
Good vid, but USMC sniper school is the pinnacle!
Yeah? And how did you come to THAT conclusion there, hard charger? Did you attend the sniper course in both branches?
Sorry to break it to you bud but marines don’t even have TIER 1 Units. Army in the other hand has 2.
Oh really there Chester, how come the Army always wins the International competitions?
Would be nice to have a comparison with the USMC sniper school/course...
Thanks in advance!
I’m pretty sure they’re modeled after each other
Marine Scout Sniper Course is generally known as the grandfather course as being the first established US Sniper School. Alongside precision fires and field craft, the course also puts emphasis on reconnaissance and mission planning, hence being a 12 week course. For the last week, they do a weeklong FINEX where it truly tests everything you have learned all while pushing you physically and mentally beyond your limits. They essentially train a Marine into being both a Scout and a Sniper, hence the name Scout Sniper.
@@RedxCode Thank you for your informative response!
@@shantanusapru Yap!
SSBC is about 3 weeks longer, and far more in depth on scouting/reconnaissance tactics.
So, the Infantryman, Special Forces Soldier and Ranger, as well as the Delta Force Counterterrorist Assaulter ,upon successful completion and graduation of Army Sniper School , are NOT awarded a separate MOS , like MOS 0317 ( USMC Scout- Sniper) , but instead, are awarded the ASI of Bravo Four ( B4).
Correct
When I was in the Army National Guard my Scout Platoon had a entire squad of snipers. I was assistant squad leader of that squad. I didn't get to go to Sniper School, but my squad leader trained me to be an observer and counter -sniper techniques. All of us were 11B or 19D. I also held an 11H MOS.
19d here, did pre-training for sniper school at Ft Hood, never got to go to the school though on acct of my broken legs 🤣
Can't let all the talent go to Sniper School. They gotta keep some guys who are good shooters too. Sometimes it be like that.
I was a scout as well from 99 to 2003 and there was like four in our troop that were sniper qualified, and they would teach others in the troop things they had been taught as well .
I would like to join the army too, kindly assist
@TheLifeOfKane Scout here also, got my Qual at Ft Lost in the Woods, but Also Never got to Benning
Last class started with 54 and graduated 9. Class before that started with 36 and graduated 4
Did basic sniper summer of 88 using ART-2 scopes and M-21’s from the AMU- this was not too long after the program was brought back to life. Went through a ton of scopes as they were on their last breath. The stalks were beyond stressful as was range estimation but it set me up for later attendance at SOTIC. Fieldcraft at the basic course was harder than SOTIC. RLTW/DOL!
Was that the fixed 10 us optics that kept having the tubes vacuum broken by chance?
I went in 1987, it was the hardest thing I ever accomplished. Worst thing for me was wading thru mucky nasty cold water that eveyone's fucking peeing with all your equipment for what seems like forever. Range est was my worst - actual shooting is my best. Only shooting im not good at is on water so the navy & Coast Guard snipers are on another level far as im concerned. On land Im the best but on water nope!
Im a formal Special Forces Sniper (spec-ops) and if you thought regular sniper school was bad, man you have yet to see what special forces sniper school puts you through. STAY HARD!!! 🤟
@@TBstudios789 didnt know their was a different school, i never heard of a special course above sniper school at least not in the army
Could you do one for marine scout snipers?
I know I've requested this before, sir, but can you do videos on the five tier 1 special operations units? It's unlikely that I'm the only one whose asked about at least one of these five units. You've said that special operators are the best of the best. Well, at the risk of sounding redundant, then by that logic, shouldn't these guys the best of the best of the best? I want to hear about them from a retired special forces colonel. It goes without saying that nothing classified can be put on UA-cam. While you obviously already know, here's whom I'm taking about;
-Regimental Reconnaissance Company: Part of the 75th Ranger Regiment and only has the best among Army Rangers.
-Intelligence Support Activity: Obviously recruits from army special ops like the Regimental Reconnaissance Company and Delta Force, but unclear on whether or not they recruit from the other branches.
-Delta Force: Recruits from all four branches! Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force!
-SEAL Team Six: Only the best among Navy SEALs and select Navy SWCCs.
-24th Special Tactics Squadron: Only the best among Pararescue, TACPs, Combat Controllers, and Special Reconnaissance.
Delta Force falls under the Army. 75-80% are from 75th Ranger and Green Berets.
@@reinaldotorrente1210 I am aware. However, there are certain Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force special operations personnel that have tried out for and succeeded in becoming Delta Force operators. Those would be usually SEALs, Recon, MARSOC, and Battlefield Airmen. I believe they do have to transfer from their current branch to the army and take up an army MOS (I’m guessing usually an 18-series Special Forces MOS).
In his book, David Goggins wrote about how he tried out for both DEVGRU and Delta as an active duty SEAL, but failed both (not criticizing him as simply being allowed to go to selection for those units are each an impressive enough feat on its own).
If its sooo "hard" then why do the marines train longer?? Lol
Awesome video as always. Really cool to see civilian competition inspired gear and tactics in Army sniper school.
@Knight-Sgt. Reyes you didn’t? Awe that sucks.
Yes and no. Many of the tripods now used in PRS started in more specialized units more so than Big Army snipers. It’d probably be more accurate to say that the military started it while PRS perfected it. I know that some of the PRS style matches and training is what is making our snipers better, particularly because military snipers usually are training on a flat range without all the obstacles to shoot on/over/under/around/through, and they preach getting set up perfectly for the shot. So when Military snipers tried PRS many lost because they couldn’t get that perfectly built position, or at least not in time. Obviously many of the Group snipers were receiving that training but not line units until about 8-10 years ago.
@@soonerfrac4611 one that excelled was T. Pace.
Hi. Where I live they have civilian defense named DAVAD.
Good video Sir 🙂👍
From France 🇫🇷
It’s a cake walk compared to Marine Corps Scout Sniper School.
Lol uhh it's 19 D Calvary Scout not 11D just saying 🤔. Anyways good army recruiting video my friend ✌🏿
All specialized military schools are difficult. Find a pathway that you are suited for.
I was a sniper in the third ranger battalion.. we have the best sniper School in the military.. just don't believe that one shot one kill s***t that's b*******t
Can you do a video on Army SFAB? I’m curious about joining them & hearing if you have any experiences with them since I hear SFAB work sometimes along side Special forces in training foreign soldiers.
Would love a video on RSLC next!
They should be paid higher due to pressure of the tasks
And kids thought great sniper is 360 no scope.
The only thing I really don't agree with in this particular course is that they drop people when they get too many no-gos. A lot of these people are already doing the job. They should be allowed to finish the course and get the training, even if they do not graduate. It isn't like hell week or some other pre-training where you are trying to weed people out before they go on to an entirely different high speed unit. It is a technical course. The information is valuable even if you don't pass. They are already there. It is just a huge waste to treat this particular course like some kind of qualification program for people who are literally doing the job already. They just go to war without proper training.
Although your argument sounds valid, continuing to train someone who cannot meet expectations is like trying to teach a baby how to run when it can't even walk. Most courses are usually structured in a manner where core skills are taught early on and will become necessary in order to learn more follow-on skills within the course. These follow-on skills generally require that you understand the prior skills to a certain level of proficiency in order to make those follow-on skills effective. Without such proficiency, this can degrade the quality of the follow-on skills. This course is of no exception, especially when this course can officially qualify individuals for the ASI modifier B4.
Being on the job does not excuse individuals to be able to take the course the entire way through just for the training factor if they fail. If that was the case, then units can just send their entire recon platoons into the course and expect everyone to be trained up on it whether they pass or fail. Doing so will require more funding and courses ran annually to accommodate for such. This can also saturate the student to instructor ratio, which can lower the quality of training. Given that this course provides very specialized training, an attendance cap must be enforced to provide the highest quality level of training. When quality is sacrificed, then casualties will be increased. It is generally better to have qualified and quality individuals trained for the job rather than mass producing it.
Those who fail the course don't essentially mean that they don't get the proper training to go to war, but rather now have better understanding at what their weaknesses are so they can hone on them more as well as perfect other necessary skills. Also, units take it upon themselves to train these individuals to a certain degree before deploying so they aren't just going out there without proper training. Suffer Patiently, Patiently Suffer
@@RedxCode So you are saying if people show up to basic and fail the grenade throw, they should get pulled out of Basic and AIT and sent to an infantry unit immediately? That is kind of what you are saying.
There is already an attendance cap before the school starts. That is not the issue. The issue is the ridiculous attrition rate for people who are expected to be doing the job. Sniper course is not an elite qualifications test. It is the skills training for the job, which people are already doing. It is just another military school.
You seem to have an idealized view of being a sniper where it is some kind of manly test and a special club. No. That is incorrect. Even in the marines it is simply just another MOS. In the army it is just a job you get. To deny people the actual training, who are already at the school, and who are already doing the job, is just nonsense. And your claim that allowing people to finish training will create higher casualties--Well, think that mess over.
The value of this course is to train people, not to join a club, or earn a badge.
@@OakInch What you are mentioning completely contradicts everything that I have mentioned in my previous statement. It seems as if you have completely misinterpreted the point I am trying to get across.
There are many skills within a lot of technical schools that can be taught with great efficiency to both a small and large class setting and even some that are more for familiarization such as the grenade throw. Do note that some of these skills are not essentially vital to learn, hence why it is more of a familiarization rather than evaluation. As majority of courses are provided with only so much funding, they have to be able to teach as many students as possible while maintaining efficiency. Furthermore, units are expected to provide further training through in-unit training due to the varied unit SOPs or through sending them to advanced courses.
Throughout history, there are some skills that have been proven to be very difficult to teach unless more specialized care and instruction is emplaced upon it, such as precision marksmanship and stalking. Such skillsets, if taught in a mass setting, degrades the quality of performance that the individual is expected to meet even if it provides familiarization.
Having prior first-hand experience with this and having worked with the sniper school house, everything that is taught to sniper students is essential to their mission. It is vital that these skillsets must be held to an expected standard in order to qualify them and continue teaching them more follow-on skills in the course. Even despite it being considered a technical course, it is still an MOS/API producing course, so standards must be held. Also, do note that none of the course evaluation and doctrine is withheld from units and can be sent to them upon request. Units generally have this information to train their members in these skillsets prior to attending the courses to ensure that they already have a good fundamental of the skillset.
In response to your arguments given in your previous statement, anyone who fails the grenade throw will get remediated a certain amount of times before they are recycled into another Basic or AIT course, which is an extremely rare case since it is generally done for familiarization training only. Also, AIT is a primary MOS producing course. The Sniper courses only assigns a secondary MOS or API modifier upon completion, with recon/scout/sniper platoons being considered a subset field of work in units but necessary, hence why anyone who joins those platoons do not have to qualify as a sniper first to do the job. Furthermore, no primary MOS producing course will allow for any individual who fails any particular evaluation to be assigned to a unit with that primary MOS, but that is not always the case with secondary MOS or API modifiers. If primary MOS courses did, then you would have "trained" individuals who do not meet expectations within that primary field of work.
Also, I am not placing any emphasis on having an idealized view of a sniper; that is in fact more of a reality. Despite how many times units (and preparatory courses, which no longer exists) train individuals for the sniper course, great candidates still fail despite having been taught everything numerous amounts of times. Whether individuals pass or not, they are already provided the information and can still do the job without the qualification, except that it is just not to a certain degree of proficiency. What the qualification provides is chances to further increase your skillset in more advanced skills. Once again, units already have this information at their disposal. The course mostly serves as a familiarization and secondary MOS/API producing course rather than an absolute qualification to do the line of work. That's why the sniper communities of qualified individuals takes great pride in their work, as it proves difficult to actually do even for the most stellar of individuals. Suffer Patiently, Patiently Suffer
@@RedxCode You keep trying to make sniper out as a legendary elite status. It is not. The school is a training school, not a per-qualification attempt to wash people out for an elite unit. There is absolutely nothing you are going to write that is going to convince anyone that not training people makes them better at a job.
It is not about earning a badge. It is not an elite unit. It is not a test of your manliness. It is a training course for people who are already doing the job. The school is not filling sniper slots. They are already filled.
No. I didn't twist your logic at all. You just have a misunderstanding of what sniper school is. You don't consider it to be training. You consider it to be a washout pre-qualification for an elite unit. If that is the case, why are people who have never even been trained doing it? And they are doing it, no matter what you think about MOS identifiers. I personally spent a year as a 19D, with zero training. Do not confuse needs and qualifications.
Your arguments are nonsense. There is no reason not to allow these guys to finish the training, even if they do not graduate. And yes, not training people generates much higher casualties.
@@OakInch Once again, a twist on words. There has been no mention of making the term sniper an elite term; it has its own merits in its own place and it proves difficult in its own ways. Essentially every school is a training school, regardless whether it is MOS producing or not. Also, this is not denying training, as this school is meant more for an MOS/API qualification. In fact, a lot of training schools drop unqualified individuals to reduce the pool size. As mentioned before, reducing the amount of attendees also increases the quality of training, which is essential for this job as well as other jobs. It is required in the TNR manuals to teach it while just about all attendees have already been pre-exposed to it for a while for qualification purposes whilst still providing training. Units already take it upon themselves to train individuals to a certain level of proficiency, it just may not be to a school house proficiency.
In the Marines, there used to be Division-established pre-sniper courses that provide all the essential training needed for sniper school and does nothing more than working on building proficiency. These courses are training courses and put emphasis on such. This would be the best route to go forward with what you are mentioning, as it builds lots of proficiency in a more condensed amount of time.
Most who do the job don't do it for anything else other than the intrinsic factor behind it. It isn't an established unit (although it has existed in the past for Marines and they recently attempted to re-establish it as such but later disbanded it due to the new Force Design 2030) so there is no elite unit status behind it. Manliness can be loosely defined per individual and this isn't what the course is meant for.
It sounds as if you have misconception of my views on sniper school; aforementioned it is more of a qualifications course whilst still providing training. I am not discrediting the training aspect, as training is still an important factor in it but it mostly evaluates the necessary qualifications. Everyone who attends knows that there is no elite unit at the end of it when completed, it just provides a level of prestige that allows for those qualified individuals to expand further with their skillsets. Also, to state, a lot of jobs can be taught with zero training, it just comes down to job difficulty in terms of teaching as well as having the right mindset that really sets those individuals apart. Needs and qualifications are vastly different and that is something that is well understood.
By the logic of having everyone complete courses whether it be pass or fail, that means then all technical schools should allow all attendees to complete their given courses the entire way through. This would mean that any individual who gets sent to any particular school will be expected to remain there for the entirety of it. This can be a burden on units, especially when such individuals are needed in a unit's ops tempo, and doing so will require extra funding to allow for every individual to complete such courses. That means that every Soldier/Marine can just attend certain schools such Ranger School and be expected to finish it with or without a cert just to enhance their skillsets. The military is all about efficiency and money but primarily money; if they can spend the least amount of money to train someone, then they will go about doing so.
Speaking from a prior instructor's perspective and first-hand experience in the profession, I do however agree that there needs to be some kind of course that must be implemented to train or help with familiarity of these skillsets, especially to individuals on the job without the chance of dropping from too many failures as the training does nonetheless prove invaluable. Units can be limited on time and range of capacity for assisting in such skillsets. Aforementioned above, that is what the Marine pre-sniper course was established for.
Since you seem so adamant about your point, if you wish to seek further information, please feel free to reach out at (760) 725-7143. Thank you. Suffer Patiently, Patiently Suffer
If this is anything like today's Ranger School, I'm betting a 41-year-old mother of 4 with a wooden leg and astigmatism graduated from this school. I'm sure she's back commanding a Ranger company now. Today's military is a joke.
The SR-25/M110 became quite prevalent in Afghanistan when I was doing contract work there.
@@lukewarm7744 I'm right handed, thanks for asking.
@@lukewarm7744 Short stroke big bore? As in over square? Do you like carpet?
Love the videos man🙏🏽
Only 18 series, 11B and 19D are eligible but I’ve talked to Mortarmen that have graduated… does anyone here know how that is possible?
He was a 11b
FrostBite Pokin I thought mortarmen were 11C?
@@karlstrauss2330 they are...
They're probably allowing 11C's because of the turnover rate and most mortar guys are pretty tough and can guarantee that they have a understanding of mathematics because of working with the Mortar systems...
Yeah, I was an 11C gun squad leader in ‘92, graduated as the “Top Gun” in my class at Sniper School.
Got back to my unit and they said “Forget all that high-speed crap and get back on your tube” 😅
Yet, South Africa has the longest confirmed sniper kill
Canadian s jtf2 has the longest kill.
It was pretty easy for me
Stalk was always a bitch but slow is fast fast is smooth
No alcohol drinking history?? Such an American is not exist ..
Great now I have to watch sniper! haha Thanks to all that served!
The US sniper courses super easy... I thought I was applying for a job at Amazon but it turned out it was the US army. They put me on a bus and with no qualifications or training in just four short years I was a US army sniper too!
Cool story, needs more dragons
👎👎... Wake up and go back to sleep bro you're dreaming...
@Knight-Sgt. Reyes sounds like a marine to me!
Was that your first or second hitch?
@@charlesc6954 the mean man on the bus said don't get hitched...and the military was my family now
The sniper course is hard for sub standard people. It weeds them out. Superior candidates pass. Cream rises to the top.
Keep risin' to the top
While my mind say
Give it all you got, give it all you got, give it all you got
Ain't no half steppin'
Give it all you got, give it all you got
Wow
Whats the song you have on your videos?
Sorry, Special Opeations have a better sniper course which regular military is not authorized to attend
I know the USCG uses the Barrett to take out drug boats. Wouldn't mind seeing their sniper course.
There is no USCG sniper course. All branches of the military take the US Army sniper course to become sniper qualified when they return to their units.
@@surq0784 LMAO 🤣! Not true dude. What about the Marine Corps Scout Sniper Course? Don’t comment when you know nothing!
DonQui Marines have their own school as well as navy seals
@@surq0784 If I’m not mistaken other branches have their own sniper schools.
and will they get their own sniper at the end?
Did you go through Sniper School, LISO?
Because you can't even get in to try it without being super lucky.
It's so difficult no one passes it .😊
Joking
Please drink water before you narrate another video!
Army tripod. 😁 😂 funny.
My M-203 has peq-2 on top Laser, ACOG(Earned Not Given) and No Leaf or Quadrant Sights for M-203 Expert Qualified
do they shave your head?
In philippines, army sniper school will require you to stand straight while holding the stick with target balloons on both edges then your buddy from distance will have to shoot it using an old m14 without improved scope but just iron sight. You just need to pray that your buddy will not hit your nuts😂
Much sicker in the marines no stick but just balloons
Really…I was just in Davao
The newest US sniper rifle, a clone of the civilian BARRETT MRAD, is the BEST sniper rifle we have ever fielded. It is as good as any other sniper rifle in the world and better than all but two others, namely the British and Finnish sniper rifles.
Ghillie suits must now be able to incorporate thermal concealment.
It's bothering me, anyone tell me what the color plate number is. Thankfully I can still jump out of planes with only vivid R/G
alot of guns were no good I had in the military especially for sniper school,they were missing parts of the stands or to old,I bought my own that were awesome,black oops,but alot of things people teach are not right ....
I like the guys comment about three of the five longest shots in history are canadian snipers, give me a fucking break confirmed shots are a joke I am not a sniper but have known many! There gave been tons of shots taken and made way beyond whats on paper plus think about snipers of the old days when they didn’t keep good records or have the equipment we do nowadays and snipers up through vietnam worked alone mostly so they did the job of two. Vietnam some snipers did start off in teams but for instance the white feather worked alone
Do you think a 30 year old man can pass a 50 percent pass rate ? USA BABY
*FACT:* Most losers claim to have been a *"sniper"* in the military. Good video, *LiaSO.*
Yawn!! USMC 0317
Data on previous engagements? DOPE is interesting.
When I was in, the MOS was 19D so I must be out of touch...
USAF sniper course is more difficult
Are officers allowed to attend sniper school?
Heeey I got the instructor at 2:04! He was in my unit at JBLM
Thank you so much for this easy very informative session.
Just imagine how good the Canadians must be?
a usmc has his own channel and says the national guard just hands out bottle wate
Can you do a video on RSLC please? Seems like that's the one unknown school that's difficult but no one talks about it.
Bravo Zulu Lima charlie badass.. request you Charlie Mike. FYI army wings made of lead Navy wings made of gold 😁👍👌
What's the navy? The trans dept of the marines or what?
👍👍
I hear there is a room underneath my room
Awesome! Very great 👍.. God Bless you all
how coould I register ?
Gotta have good mobility
I made a shot at 1000 yards
“Alcohol and drug abuse” like no waivers at all??
Nope..no waivers...
So because I have glasses I wouldn't be able to join?
Vision has to be correctable to 20/20. So you can attend if selected if you have glasses and 20/20 vision while wearing your glasses.
How do I enter as a special forces soldier, and specialize in sniper, I have a good aim?
You're going to need way more than a good aim...
Super easy to pass
My dream job
how hard is being Chris Rock?
Hard to say. Will's hands were too soft to do any damage.
Lies lies lies
It's not... hard... perse, it's hard to get a slot for school. The rest you just trudge through, you don't gotta be a genius just dedicated
厉害厉害，简直厉害
Another great video!
Great video
Killing is more than an art, it's a passion of adrenaline rush.
Can you do BRC or the usmc recon pipeline
Is this available to officers
No.
Only tables, donuts and paperwork for you!
Hey can you do an video on air assault school
Thanks
He's already done it.
@@jackleg2007 I'll check it , thanks
when are you going to make a video like this about sapper leader course?
Three of the five longest sniper kills were Canadian.
Some of the best shooters during the great war were Canadian.
I guess Canadians are just badass
@@ironpanther9409 -- when it comes to war.
During WW1, when the trade was in its infancy, the best candidates were hunters who were used to working in miserable climate conditions. Namely Scottish gamekeepers and Canadian farmboys.
Don't know if it still exists on the platform, but there used to be a sniper vid here on YT of a Canadian sniper in AFG on one mountain shooting guys on another mountain and you just see body parts fly off the side of the mountain.
they say if you 360 no-scope your 1st shot, you get a free pass to graduation
If you were in ranger bat with the instructors it seems to have been pretty easy.
В Афганистане такие же профи утекли
Private: What’s your DOPE?
Carl: Yes
Atleast they give you "dope" to deal with the pressures of training
Around 1:10 you said, "11D - Cav. Scout" but had 19D - Cav. Scout on the screen.
What is harassment ?
Hazing.
@@friedchickenandwatermelon8307 Damn 👁👁
I guess just getting yelled? In other countries instructors beat the shit out of candidates lmao
@@hanrysoul yep Thx I’m from France that’s why I don’t know 🤷🏻♂️😉
Think of it as being put under stress while taking long shots. Run 1000 yards, stop, acquire target, send it. Blanks and grenade simulators fire near by. All types of stressors to ensure you can still think and act while under that stimulation. And some yelling and PT and general bullshit.
I have known of 1 Army MP that had already graduated the MP Marksman Observer course be signed up for infantry sniper school. He wasn’t able to attend unfortunately. This was pre-9/11. That said, I do know that prior trained snipers that have reclassed to MP have attended the course and failed because of the stringent group requirements. Don’t let anyone fool you with talk of long distance marksmanship for any LEO sniper, the longest is around 300m confirmed for a sniper in a designated role using an actual sniper rifle. The vast majority of shots are best measured in FEET and not yards/meters, and because of this the MP SRT M/O school doesn’t (maybe further now) take a shot beyond 100m.
My teacher in grade school once pointed out how crazy it was for early American armies to stand out in the open and shoot at each other like they did. What he failed to realize is that it had something to do with honor. If they caught you hiding in the bushes, you'd be dishonorable. Today, they'll teach you how to hide in the bushes, they'll snipe you from a mile away and conquer your brain from much further! You're not REALLY hiding in the bushes when they have your brain on a wireless grid, you just think you are because they've advanced it into a full flipping mind control!
Interdict..another word for kill or murder. They are training to kill without pity or remorse or empathy for the target. After the mission they are debriefed or psychologically processed to forget what they have done.