Why the world is anxious | John Cleese and Iain McGilchrist and on neuroscience and creativity

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  • @HowToAcademyMindset
    @HowToAcademyMindset  2 роки тому +6

    WATCH PART 3 HERE: ua-cam.com/video/p8sHIXL9zMQ/v-deo.html

    • @happinesstan
      @happinesstan 2 роки тому

      We don't trust intuition because intuition was not allowed to form the basis of our primary experience of life.

  • @niguel4438
    @niguel4438 2 роки тому +42

    Actually there are three hemispheres, left, right and my wife. Excellent insightful discussion. Thank you both.

  • @mapstoinsight3252
    @mapstoinsight3252 2 роки тому +16

    The most compelling aspect of McGilchrist’s work is its beauty. What a visceral, meaningful correction beauty can provide!
    Solzhenitsyn (in his Nobel Prize acceptance speech) rightly asserted: “…if the all too obvious & the overly straight sprouts of Truth & Goodness have been crushed, cut down, or not permitted to grow [as is obvious in our day], then perhaps the whimsical, unpredictable, & ever surprising shoots of Beauty will force their way through & soar up to that very spot, thereby fulfilling the task of all three.”
    McGilchrist has done with beauty what many of the great minds of our time-in their relative approaches to Truth & Goodness-failed to do.

    • @LeeGee
      @LeeGee 2 роки тому

      Check out this address to the Blake Society

  • @ljohnson7124
    @ljohnson7124 2 роки тому +3

    Fantastic seeing John Cleese in conversation with Ian, big fan of both

  • @michaelpepper885
    @michaelpepper885 2 роки тому +8

    Omg, I'm so thankful these two amazing archetypes are with us in these crazy times. I can't think of two better human examples , to remind us of how not to throw reason out the window. Everyday I watch people jump off metaphorical bridges because their commercial algorithm keeps playing them antidepressant adds. It's bananas. As enjoyable this dialogue was, the best part was the simple gesture of Cleese filling their water glasses. Possibly one of the most ancient displays of good will that a person can express to another. As graceful as Aquarius.

  • @peterweston1356
    @peterweston1356 2 роки тому +7

    We value algorithmic thinking in business as it keeps us safe from criticism and discomfort.

  • @bruceclark2277
    @bruceclark2277 2 роки тому +15

    Great stuff - thank you :) "The left side of the brain is responsible for speech .... but it would say that" Harry Hill

  • @margueritespringer3687
    @margueritespringer3687 2 роки тому +9

    WONDERFUL CONVERSATION Thank you so much

  • @thegozmonk3507
    @thegozmonk3507 2 роки тому +15

    I loved the book read it quite a few years ago ,and recently lent it to somebody at university ,hopefully they’ll get the message of how it rings true with the world at the moment and how lopsided the world leaders and scientists decisions being made are totally unintelligent and unbalanced .Bring back the Great books of the western world into The education system pronto!! And a large dose of common sense😃

  • @tomashize
    @tomashize 2 роки тому +1

    Fascinating chat

  • @whatno4861
    @whatno4861 2 роки тому

    when they mentioned on what science and religion is and is not, it made me yell "Yes! thank you!"
    these guys are great, thanks for posting this

  • @fineasfrog
    @fineasfrog 2 роки тому +1

    One version of the 'lost key' story is: After searching for a while the helper asked: Where did you drop it? And the one seeking his lost key, answers "in my own house". Then why are you looking here under the street lamp? "Because there is more light here than inside my own house." This 'losing the key inside my own house' adds a further element of 'the key is lost inside each of us' yet our attention is always directed outward toward experience that is given to us by the light of the five outer senses and the concepts or structures of consciousness based on the light of the five senses. Our consciousness receives the light of the five senses that gives us the impression and later the general concept that we are in the body. However it is also true to say that the body is an appearance in consciousness. Yet until we can have a direct experience of this, it seems impossible and carries no real weight or meaning for us. William James referred to the consciousness of the infant as a "blooming, buzzing confusion". Developmental studies of Piaget and many others these days have shown that initially the infant consciousness is completely undifferentiated. Then over 0-3 years of interaction with the environment (note here that the body and its parts such as the hand and mouth first are implicitly used then later word labels are applied to them). Several points to consider are: Interaction with primary caregiver and the environment as a whole yields the implicit view that caregiver or mother is "out there" in that separate body and I am 'in here' in this separate body. These impressions form a structure or template in consciousness that gives us subject-object knowing that comes to include self 'self vs other knowing. This is a developmental revelation that is a necessary structure at this stage of seeing and knowing through the subject-object mode. However this stage or structure through which we via the subject-object dichotomy are knowing is also a limitation or structure developed in consciousness. It is a limited way of knowing. What would it mean to us to realize that our body is an appearance in consciousness? Can there be direct experience of undifferentiated consciousness and come to realize that consciousness is primary and what we call time and space are constructed perceptions that are needed and very handy yet they are not fundamental. Rather they come out of the subject-object mode of knowing.
    So where did we lose the key? One way to say it is: we lost it at a very young age when we became identified with the subject-object mode of knowing. While this identification was necessary developmentally, as an adult we may be able to see deeper. Rumi tells us the 'body' is a guest house and that if all arising perceptions are welcomed with wonder (including the perception of the physical body itself) without our insisting that these perception, thoughts, concepts are fixed and final based on our subject-object dichotomy, then we are on the way to 'finding our lost key". Rumi "Darkness is your candle. Your boundaries are your quest." Darkness here is the complete wonder of not knowing such that we are not imposing subject-object knowing on our experience. Boundaries in the wonder are useful and needed to function in time and space orientation yet we also can and need to subject them to complete wonder when they arise in our experiencing if we want our 'lost key' to be revealed to us. It seems to us that we can only see and learn 'in the light' of subject-object knowing. However our lost key can only be discovered in the "darkness of wonder" in which the subject-object mode of knowing is seen to be secondary and 'after the fact' of true wonder.

    • @fineasfrog
      @fineasfrog Рік тому

      @@Jgp4xzdmqnmil Feel free to edit it and post here as a reply. Thank you.

  • @harmonybalancehealth
    @harmonybalancehealth 2 роки тому +1

    This sounds like a wonderful interview on intuition. We are not encouraged to listen to our intuition.

  • @dennismorris7573
    @dennismorris7573 2 роки тому

    Brilliant discussion.

  • @nivekvb
    @nivekvb 2 роки тому +5

    I read that you shouldn't really drive mindfully. Anyway, I tried it, felt incredibly nervous, and never did it again. Driving is done entirely automatically, and when you concentrate, it falls apart. In mindfulness there's a tendency up focus upon only a few things, but driving means taking in a load of different things and data all at once, so it's best to leave it to autopilot, although some people say they can do it.

    • @CalumJambo
      @CalumJambo 2 роки тому +1

      Or are you driving mindfully when on autopilot?

    • @nickshelbourne4426
      @nickshelbourne4426 2 роки тому +2

      Depends what you mean by mindfully, it's quite a nebulous construct. For example, in Zen Buddhism there is a heavy emphasis on spontaneity.

    • @indricotherium4802
      @indricotherium4802 2 роки тому +2

      It's a strange proposition that seeks to push mindfulness into the category of mindlessness.

    • @hoptanglishalive4156
      @hoptanglishalive4156 2 роки тому

      @@nickshelbourne4426 Sometimes it's very advisable to drive spontaneously, such as when you have to suddenly swerve to avoid a moose!

    • @gurug9797
      @gurug9797 2 роки тому

      Second nature is learnt with repetition. That why first you learn to drive you are probably excited but labelled your feelings wrong. You call in anxiety and then prove yourself (Ego self) right or so you believe. Your nature includes being anxious in case you are eaten but that is not what will happen if you drive. Of course its better to be wrong and alive than wrong and dead. The 'Chimp Paradox' will help in the form of method and structure. 🙏💟

  • @harmonybalancehealth
    @harmonybalancehealth 2 роки тому

    I love this man. Have tried to connect with him twice. Once thru amazzon and the other time thru a video which was on YT. Sadly, they removed my comments.

  • @ellengran6814
    @ellengran6814 2 роки тому +4

    In my view, fear is not the cause of disconnection, but the product.

    • @freetibet1000
      @freetibet1000 2 роки тому +1

      Disconnection is the source of not knowing. Which is the root cause of all fears. But often we need to disconnect to aspects of our normal routines in order to free ourselves and transcend boundaries of blindness. To only stay in contact with that in life that we already know about imprison us and prevents us from expanding and transcending. That’s what laziness actually is.

    • @ckwind1971
      @ckwind1971 2 роки тому

      @@freetibet1000 thank you, that was very insightful.

  • @toucheturtle3840
    @toucheturtle3840 2 роки тому

    Being. Not told to be. Existence is different for all of us. Compassion is wasted on those who wish to control.

  • @Dialogos1989
    @Dialogos1989 2 роки тому

    Just started the matter with things!

  • @bobdillaber1195
    @bobdillaber1195 5 місяців тому

    Philosophy does for the mind what exercise does for the body. This gentleman will go down as one of history's greatest philosophers. Perhaps, the last.

  • @tomjohn8733
    @tomjohn8733 2 роки тому +6

    As a left handed, strongly right hemisphere dominate, person, I completely agree with Mr McGilchrist, great discussion, however, the left hemisphere people want to be in control as they are ruled by fear, unable to change, a very good lawyer, once told me, My problem is I see things as they should be, not as they are…an she was right…

  • @lb6651
    @lb6651 2 роки тому

    Its a beatifull simple thing.

  • @8888-9
    @8888-9 2 роки тому

    I do really enjoy listening to both. For me Intellects and Creative Players denying we are here, all is, due to a Creator, are. diminished in wisdom- where does consciousness derive?
    Ideas? Then the physical manifestations of those ideas….
    This right & left hemispheres of our brains was captured by the ancient Greek Mythologies in their multi - gods perspective The, Dionysian and Appolonian ways of being

  • @ellengran6814
    @ellengran6814 2 роки тому +4

    A native American saw a TV and asked :»What is that ?». The person next to him said : «Its pictures on a screen». The native : «No, you misunderstand, I mean what is that.....to me. How does this tool affect my spirit, my body, my feeling, my mind and my society ?». We might have something to learn from the «savages» in regard to how we connect to ourselves and the society. A native Aboriginal Australian have written a book «Sandtalks». He believes Aboriginal thinking is needed in order to save the world. For hundered of years we have taught native how to make tools. Now I guess the time has come for them to teach us something about human needs, the needs of the earth and how they are all connected.

  • @urwhatueat2170
    @urwhatueat2170 2 роки тому +1

    I just downloaded the audio of The Master and His Emissary. I will give it a go, but I must say I am not sure I believe in left or right.

  • @tamlynburleigh9267
    @tamlynburleigh9267 2 роки тому +2

    I really enjoyed the information, but I think it was a shame that John Cleese seemed to be there just to sit and listen. Would have been nice to have more from him.

  • @briancornish2076
    @briancornish2076 2 роки тому +2

    People of a certain age approve of what is being said but it won't change anything

  • @hn6187
    @hn6187 2 роки тому +1

    would have been interesting to ask john cleese how humour can be used to trascend anxious thinking

  • @marekgalteestaff7087
    @marekgalteestaff7087 2 роки тому +2

    How distinguish healthy intuition from unconscious biases?

    • @gauravtejpal8901
      @gauravtejpal8901 2 роки тому

      Excellent question. Buddhist meditation can help in this

    • @freetibet1000
      @freetibet1000 2 роки тому

      Perfect question! That’s what a genuine spiritual practice and mind training is all about. By knowing yourself you know all there is to know. That’s how bias and disturbing emotions are dissolved. It is a form of knowledge that cannot be picked up from a book or a conversation with someone. It the sort of knowing that shines through from within yourself if you embark on a journey of genuine spiritual practice. It is the sort of knowledge that no one can refute or take away from you. Why? Because it is based on your own direct experiences.

  • @kerryburns6041
    @kerryburns6041 2 роки тому

    I´ve just seen Santa Claus.
    Poor chap was hanging by the neck from a high balcony in my southern Spanish pueblo.
    Twisting in the wind ...
    I never thought it would come to this.

  • @ljohnson7124
    @ljohnson7124 2 роки тому +2

    Where’s the rest?!?

  • @garycleave9565
    @garycleave9565 2 роки тому +2

    Human beings are pattern recognition machines
    Patterns here
    Patterns there
    Patterns everywhere
    What do they mean
    Are they promises
    Are they warnings
    Are they predicting the unforeseen
    Look at those numbers
    Those stars
    Those cards
    Those hints
    That convince of conspiracy
    Leaves in a cup of tea
    Who's that hiding in the bread mould
    Could it be the God of old
    Is that His face staring at me
    Who else could it be
    Maybe His mother Mary
    Three good things in a row
    On a winning streak
    Don't change your lucky socks
    Don't change your lucky shoes
    Don't change your lucky anything
    Patterns here
    Patterns there
    Patterns everywhere
    Intuitions
    Superstitions
    Apparitions
    All manifestations of a beautiful mind's obsession
    With pattern recognition

  • @MrClockw3rk
    @MrClockw3rk 2 роки тому +3

    You can tell by the comments that nobody understands what he’s saying.

  • @golfboyyk
    @golfboyyk 2 роки тому

    It seems to me that most people have many adjectives and it’s “turtles all the way down”.The solution is how to stare at a wall for hours while getting only slightly bored..

  • @BassGoBomb
    @BassGoBomb 2 роки тому +1

    No, that which is not known may be found by science. Dogma doesn't allow such.

  • @nickush7512
    @nickush7512 2 роки тому

    Within the dynamically ordered constuct, everything that dynamically is isn't and everything that isn't shall be..... is what I susspect you were referring to on at least two occasions. That being the case, ...only someone who lives in the world can do that .... does not hold true. If one self limits thier appreciation of thier world to the Newtonian order only, then how can the extra-Newtonian world be appreciated ?? Where is the service ??

  • @indricotherium4802
    @indricotherium4802 2 роки тому +1

    Science is not conflicted over the fact of consciousness in humans, it just cannot find a way of scientifically defining it. It's a bit like trying to explain what air was before there was a theory of invisible gases.

    • @freetibet1000
      @freetibet1000 2 роки тому +1

      The funny thing is without consciousness there’s no science. How ironic is that!

    • @indricotherium4802
      @indricotherium4802 2 роки тому +1

      @@freetibet1000 ..you can have consciousness without science but not science without consciiousness..

    • @freetibet1000
      @freetibet1000 2 роки тому +1

      @@indricotherium4802 Exactly! That’s what I was trying to say, but you said it better. Thanks!

  • @ThomiX0.0
    @ThomiX0.0 2 роки тому

    Okay gentleman, to come closer to 'what is', one needs to stop talking.
    Talking happens, when the 'oh so logic' brain supports the 'me' or 'I' it has created, making it the wonderful talking person.
    There isn't any truth in that.
    Both not in the person and specially not in his brain thinking it.
    Anxiety is not lost, by thinking, is it?
    On the contrary: thinking creates anxiety.
    And we can't put aside anxiety, with the quality of this brain who caused it.
    Even so; we can't stop making wars with a brain who makes them.
    we can't stop separating people with a brain who makes the separation.
    we can't stop feeling better then others with a brain who makes this 'me' being better then others.
    The 'me' or ego is false, which never comes to the truth, although we might 'think' it does.( Already thousands of years)
    Only question is then: where did I loose myself?
    And what would happen if I managed to set aside the importance of thought?
    It is simple: I would experience the 'what is'.
    ( btw, there isn't anxiety in 'what is', cannot be.:-)

  • @7ebr830
    @7ebr830 2 роки тому +1

    Since UA-cam has decided to hide the Dislikes, obviously they're not interested in being transparent, so why shouldn't I be opaque too?
    I will no longer hit the Like or Dislike button. I hope everyone else joins me until UA-cam is brought back to its senses.

  • @haroonaverroes6537
    @haroonaverroes6537 2 роки тому

    I have read all this somewhere else ! steal slowly so no one can notice!

  • @johannakunze3300
    @johannakunze3300 7 місяців тому

    We are the thing that transforms right into left?

  • @duanekeith7816
    @duanekeith7816 2 роки тому +1

    "To learn Chinese, you have to learn the meanings of 44,000 versions of drawings of a shed."
    Could such an enormous number of people across the world be anxious because they perceive they're being -----ed over, however one fills in the blank? One must, of course, interpret the data one perceives. Why does perception of negatives indicate brain damage, dysfunction, or atavism, having been insistently indoctrinated in nihilism?

  • @wmritchey1101
    @wmritchey1101 2 роки тому

    Some folks cannot automatically do things, they are trapped in the right brain's ability and diminished left

  • @lb6651
    @lb6651 2 роки тому

    Has you move in flow 💥 then distraction told what to do has your doing it. Causing split or like ++-- rather than -+-+-+

  • @gracegladden3279
    @gracegladden3279 4 місяці тому

    Are we stressed and anxious because our planet is stressed and anxoius? She sets a temperature that suits her. We warm it up or cool it down, and do both at the same time in different places. So let's say a very small, self aware species lived on us and kept on resetting our body temperature to suit themselves - well - they do. It causes fevers and chills and kills us if not treated. Are we doing that to our planet???

  • @lb6651
    @lb6651 2 роки тому

    Its them who throw books at people its baffleing to some more than a number in my little :::::::: %

  • @jhbunny
    @jhbunny 2 роки тому

    The man who spoke of wife as half of him I second. My Joycee died a year ago and I dearly miss was left brained and I right but the wife llobe could not talk about the long term plan nor the big picture. May have killed her and nearly killed me-my white blood cells have rebounded to normal range indicating removal of chronic stress having been removed.

  • @jlmur54
    @jlmur54 2 роки тому +3

    too low

  • @djart4866
    @djart4866 2 роки тому +1

    Because of the Mainstream media and entertainment.

  • @lilianarovegno4325
    @lilianarovegno4325 7 місяців тому

    by intuition by inteligence, Creativity and by faith y agree with catholic dogmas

  • @funkymunky
    @funkymunky 2 роки тому +1

    Let the man speak, for fook’s sake!

  • @max1808twins
    @max1808twins 2 роки тому

    Until he read what?

  • @joseph1845
    @joseph1845 5 місяців тому

    I wonder if the misinterpretation of the bible as literal rather than allegorical is something to do with the left brain interpretation being the dominant one.

  • @johnalbert5786
    @johnalbert5786 2 роки тому

    I am hoping that some of the ostrich types will watch this.

  • @nowthenzen
    @nowthenzen 2 роки тому

    I'm opposed to dogma, it's a bitch

  • @johnhanks4260
    @johnhanks4260 2 роки тому

    Subconsciouds andf unbconsconscious are diuffderent.

  • @gurug9797
    @gurug9797 2 роки тому

    I think therefore I am only proves ones believe that he/she is the real because of thinking alone. Think about it 🤔😂

  • @CPTMorada
    @CPTMorada 2 роки тому +1

    Typo: Why the world is anxious | John Cleese and lain Mc 'talk too much" for Gil "Christ sake."

  • @AudioPervert1
    @AudioPervert1 2 роки тому

    instead of this long verbiage .. one can sum it up by saying "Industrial civilisation is collapsing, everyday" People are anxious because of that. End of Story.

    • @freetibet1000
      @freetibet1000 2 роки тому

      I think the point is that we are shaping and creating the future ourselves. If that future looks bleak it would probably be a good idea to find out why we’re doing this to ourselves and the world around us. Don’t you?

    • @lenuvian
      @lenuvian 2 роки тому

      @@freetibet1000 Bullshit. This is being forced on us by a tiny minority. Taking every opportunity to further their control. Making those who see angry and the rest anxious.

    • @freetibet1000
      @freetibet1000 2 роки тому

      @@lenuvian Sorry, I was unclear about how I think it works; I think if the vast majority stop buying their products, borrow their money and stop voting for them then these people wouldn’t have any power at all. As things stand right now we are feeding these forces with our blood, sweat and tears. Why?
      If we want to take back our power we must stop giving it away like this, isn’t? We cannot have it both ways, which is what so many don’t seem to understand. These seductive forces have been spinning their seductive nets of technological advancements for a long time. Little by little have the whole planet been snared into this net of false promises and now we are starting to see where this is heading, aren’t we? Well, I say, if a reset is coming let it be a reset that we choose instead the reset they want! Let’s find ways how to disconnect with this very sticky net they have spun around us. Lets become clever and intelligent instead of just angry. These people actually feed on our anger, frustration and fear. That’s what they eat for breakfast every day. Lets not give them that anymore. Lets disconnect from their lifeline of blood-money. Lets find out how to live free from their products and false promises. That’s what I say!

  • @hn6187
    @hn6187 2 роки тому

    isn't it ironic, that so many will watch this, while corporate grifters try to distract you with idiotic advertising ... the all pervasive anxiety provoking corporate bullying machine

  • @Zxuma
    @Zxuma 2 роки тому +1

    Boredom

  • @lb6651
    @lb6651 2 роки тому

    3rd anglular view when viewed by the viewee is altering the obseved in the noting of observation with out a straitford asking of you and checking its paranoid nosey jeLous people inter ferance to say were interfearing n causeing upset to teach u that a baddy could do so but there in see the educational qaulity of aintient institution in institutional aintientsness. 😁

  • @tonymiller225
    @tonymiller225 2 роки тому +3

    Spoken like a couple of Arts graduates with a glaring lack of understanding of science. They should stick to debating philosophy

    • @974724
      @974724 2 роки тому +6

      I am a biology doctorate student and can appreciate their points.

    • @b.melakail
      @b.melakail 2 роки тому +6

      Ian is a psychiatrist...

    • @Birdieupon
      @Birdieupon 2 роки тому

      Care to back that up with specifics? Where have they gone wrong?

    • @tonymiller225
      @tonymiller225 2 роки тому

      @@Birdieupon Fair question. it was 8 months back I commented. Would have to listen again perhaps in a day or 2

  • @clancyk8497
    @clancyk8497 2 роки тому

    We are all on our way to becoming dust. Jesus christ is the way, the truth and the life.
    Jordan peterson finally gets it.

    • @ryanscarrmusic2329
      @ryanscarrmusic2329 2 роки тому +5

      lol

    • @jlmur54
      @jlmur54 2 роки тому +4

      The second law of thermodynamics is that the world is breaking down and getting more disordered. Life breaks this law. Jordan Peterson is a phenomenal teacher and speaker. His problem is when he starts talking about stuff he doens't really know. He's very ambitious. Has known he's wanted to be a politician since he was 13.

    • @carlmorkel4811
      @carlmorkel4811 2 роки тому +2

      @@jlmur54 Whatching Jordan Peterson’s very honest and recently humble videos gives a rare view into a personal journey. This talk points to the construction of meaning where language and humor are at the cutting-edge. Interesting.

    • @jlmur54
      @jlmur54 2 роки тому

      @You are correct But Agreed. And he doesn’t inform his listeners to this fact. Which is a shame. He could really be a force for good if he could remain more objective, in effect.

    • @clancyk8497
      @clancyk8497 2 роки тому

      Jordan peterson A warning to the world. A wing and a prayer. You Tube.