Ford Fiesta ST Facelift Review: Killed By The i20N?
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2023
- Ford Fiesta ST Facelift Review: Killed By The i20N?
Quite some time, I drove the Mk8 Ford Fiesta ST, and I saw it was good. A lot has changed in the world since then, and although the STs competition has dwindled, one part of the world didn’t get the memo - South Korea. The i20N is the stiffest competition the little Fast Ford has seen for quite some time, so can the Ford Fiesta ST Facelift keep itself in the game?
To help keep the i20N at bay, the new Fiesta ST is packing more torque from its 1.5-litre turbocharged three-pot. The old car offered 290Nm, whereas the new version betters that with 320Nm. For those of you wondering, the 0-62 is the same 6.5 seconds as it was before. The idea is that the mid-range torque is improved, instead offering a stronger pull right off the line.
Another key change for the facelift - apart from the exterior looks which I will get on to later - is the introduction of the new seats. The Recaros of old are gone, and in their place - much like the new Focus ST - there are seats made in-house by the Ford Performance team.
They are brilliant to sit in and perhaps a bit more accommodating for a broader frame than the Recaro but not perfect. It could just be poor muscle memory, but I’m sure these sit higher than the Recaros in the pre-facelift. Having said that, it doesn’t detract from the driving experience.
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The clincher for the fiesta is its tunability a stage one map alone will take it to 240 bhp with reputable tuners like mountune,revo,collins or dreamscience and no problems with reliability in fact like the mk7, the mk8 has proved very reliable even after tuning.
Hi there, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
Great review Aaron ‼️😃👍 You definitely deserve more viewers 👏. Many greetings from 🇩🇪
Thank you Meik, I really appreciate it! 👍🏽
Whilst I agree it’s good to be as impartial as possible, your love for the car is not a lack of impartiality. You were given that smile and love for it due to how it reacts on the road. If you don’t get the same fizz from the i20N, it means something and it makes it worth the money to me. Great video though!
Hi James, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment 👍🏽
Getting mine in May. Can’t wait.
You have certainly made me consider my options, thanks.
Great film, I wait for i20N/fiesta St copare film, they are only a few on youtube.
Brilliant! An honest review!
Thanks Henry!
Great honest video 💯
Thanks Christopher.
6:44 Aaron this had me dying, that transition was epic. We do love the nerdy Aaron section - Great review
Thanks Armagan 👍🏽
The i20N is set to receive an update which should be unveiled in the summer.
I am very hopeful that it’ll come to Romania.
Add a relatively cheap short shifter (Mountune) to the FiST and the gear changes are so accurate and smooth. This mod is well worth doing for a subtle but noticeable difference every time you drive it!
I hear (on good authority) that the 'new' FP seats side bolsters get in the way of your arm when changing gear - is this correct?
Hi there, sorry for the delayed response. I don't recall having any issues changing gear, but they are more awkward to get in and out of due to the steep bolsters for the legs. Thanks for watching.
I got one, and quite honestly I didn't even consider the i20N. I wanted an ST since the previous gen but the stars didn't align at the time. I think it's great. I'm loving it.
I keep saying this like a broken record but, I owned a CTR EP3 when I was young and the ST reminds me of the fun I had in that car while being a competent daily if it needs be. The EP3 was spartan single minded affair, although at the time it was my daily driver. But, as I said. I was young back then. 🤣
Cheers from Italy.
I'm an ep3 driver right now looking at getting an ST! Had it 6 years now and really fancy a change, I'm glad to see an ep3 owner having as much fun in thr ST
I just wished there woiuld be a Diesta ST with the sunroof somewhere on the market where I live.
Great review, love your review, and love my i20N, but am rapt these cars put such a smile on our faces, bless 'em👏👏👏
Hi Claudia, thanks for watching!
Probably should have mentioned that this car is now no longer available to order. This is the very last Fiesta ST.
The world is changing and it’s not for the better if you’re enthusiastic about cars.
Are you sure on that Michael? It's still on Ford's online configurator 🤔. Thanks for watching Michael 👍🏽.
I ordered one from the dealer just under 2 weeks ago. But yes, they were down to the last few available in each dealership as all ‘dealer to factory’ orders are closed. All you can do now is put your name down for one they’ve already got on order. Last builds in June.
I've just ordered one for delivery in July.
They are all going now!
Need both on track now 🤣
I was trying to get something like that set up, but I couldn't get it to work. Thanks for watching 👍🏽.
There was an ST2 available for the first short while before they moved on solely to ST3 builds to complete orders, which is what im driving. Doesn't have the launch control, matrix LED lights, red brake callipers, slip diff and digital dash but mostly driving in the city as a daily none of that matters personally. Worked out a little cheaper and i would have gone with the ST3 personally but the wife wanted to keep the cost down whilst still paying for the mean green paint job 😂
IS THERe anyway of looking at the car and knowing it has lsd on mk7 or 8
@@user-io7gp5rn9uhaving launch control and shift lights in the mk8 usually means it has the performance pack fitted.
If you have the car in race track mode, give it a bit going around an empty roundabout and you can feel it pulling tighter into the turn.
these used 2018 and 2019 sts are such good deal now
I've got a new ST in mean green. I was told it was one of the last 1s available and i took delivery of it in march. I considered the i20n and took 1 for a test drive. They are very comparable in everyday driving. If you like a small(ish) hot hatch you'll probably be happy with either. But Hyundai were awful to deal with. Calls not returned, woeful part ex offered for my '19 Golf R and they were just weren't interested in making a sale. Ford were very different. They couldn't do enough for me so i went with the ST and I love it. A bargain at £225 a month interest free which was way cheaper than the i20 too! Make no mistake, its a toy. If you want a practical car you maybe should think twice. The ride at low speed is jarring and its drinks fuel like my golf did (so much for the smaller car to save fuel idea 😂). It costs a whole 30p a month less to insure too. But once the road opens up its just brilliant. The only downside is the lack of straight-line speed but I'm used to 300+ bhp so maybe I'm being unfair here. I usually keep a car for 2 to 3 years before swapping it for a new 1. I think I'll keep the ST and buy it outright at the end of my PCP. These things are a future classic, they're that good. My favourite quote on it comes from a friend who was in it as i was enthusiasticly driving it along a winding B road..... "F**** me, no fiesta has any business being this f****** fast" said through gritted teeth. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
Hi there, thanks for watching, and thanks for sharing your experience, it was interesting reading about the difference in attitudes from the dealers.
£225 a month? Is that without the winter pack and add-ons?
@@systm6740 No extras added. I would only add the performance pack anyway but they come with that now. No need fo add anything else. It's a fun toy go cart. I couldn't care less if it has a heated steering wheel or whatever else.
What fuel economy are you getting?
I get 45 MPG in combined driving (recorded over the last 600 miles but this is fair based on previous miles) in a standard MK8 Edition.
@@karllelliott681 I've never seen that mpg, even on a bit of a run. When I 1st had it I was averaging 32ish mpg per tank. It's just passed 3000 miles and I get about 36ish mpg per tank now. That said, I have been known to drive it 'enthusiasticly' along B roads where I live so it's to be expected.
I love the Fiesta ST
How much to pick one up now? Love the colour 🤩🤩
£27,320 according to Ford UK's website. Thanks for watching Steve 👍🏽.
@@CarObsession No worries. Just found your channel my friend and v.impressed. I currently drive a white '17 ST3 mark 7.5 which I love but this one has got me thinking 😀😀
@@stevemahoney5209 Thank you Steve! Be sure to subscribe 😉
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Got an I20N and it does put a smile on my face when you're on the right road and the handling is amazing but there's something missing at other times imo. It's a bit clinical and I'm wondering if i should've gone ST...🤔
I just think the Fiesta ST has more of a character if you ask me, but they're both great cars. Thanks for watching.
@@CarObsession thanks for your review. It does sound like it, I'm after the thrill my old Williams gave me. That's still the best hot hatch I've ever driven and the i20n imo is like 80% of that car. Wonder how much closer the ST gets..
@@patrickbateman7122 I'd love to drive a Clio Williams - not many left! I think I've only ever seen two or three in real life.
@@CarObsession ah you'd love it! Just feels like a fwd go kart, hyd steering, NA...collectors item now...
Hola, tengo un i20 N finales de 2023. Puedes decirme qué le falta a éste coche? Es broma tú comentario?
i20N all day long as the Fiesta looks dated inside and not enough of an upgrade from the previous car. I have an i20N and Love it 😍
The 5 door only for the i20N is a huge disappointment, the ST is definitely the better option if you can find a rare 3-door model, as they only offered the 3-door option for the first few months of orders.
Interior looks absolutely brilliant coming from my mk7.5 ST after 7 years haha heated steering wheel and all is great along with the digital displays.
I know this video is a year old - but he keeps saying the i20n is cheaper, not on the used car market is isn't! Not even close
Hi there, thanks for watching. When both cars were brand new the i20N was cheaper.
@@CarObsession To be fair - they've also held their value a lot better. Maybe if you were buying new, it was truly the better option :')
Thank you for replying!
Ive seen these fiesta ST's on a dyno before a tune and they've put out more than 200bhp standard, seen them touch 210bhp, not sure why Ford quote them as being only 200bhp when they're not.
It's not unusual for a car manufacturer to be conservative with power. My Mk2 SEAT Leon Cupra was meant to make 240hp from factory and when it was on a dyno it was putting out 264hp.
I'm guessing Ford's Dyno is more accurate and less optimistic.
for normal driving on public roads would you upgrade the brakes?
No 😅. Why do you think they'd need it?
@@CarObsession other reviewers have suggested it, just getting your opinion, sounds like it's best too save that money , cheers
@@eyeballbilly I honestly cannot see a reason, to be honest 😅. If they are wanting stronger brakes I would say the car is being driven harder than it should be on public roads anyway! Thanks for watching.
Brakes feel good and strong even when driving sporty for short times. But if you really push it like it is a motorbike on a sunny day it will overheat soon. So depend how hard you push it. 😉
@@Verknechter I agree. I switched to the Tarox 6 pot caliper & 300mm disc kit that Ford sells and it's how it should've been from the factory honestly 😅
Better fun factor,its a better looking car as well,fiesta all the way.
Better looking is subjective lol the i20n rear is debatable but front looks way better
I wish they sold these in the US.
Ford and the other had tried but you Americans just prefer Trucks & SUVs over small hatchback...
fiesta ftw
Fiesta 8.5 or a ford puma st ?
Given the fact I have a small family I'd say the Puma 👍🏽
So this Fiesta ST Mk8.5 but 6 months old or a 2020 Peugeot 308 GTI for similar money? 😆
Drive both and make your own choice.. That's the best way to know which one you like more.
They're two different cars, and aren't really comparable as they're from different classes. It all depends on what you want from a hot hatch.
I went to buy either this or the i20. In every i20 quote I had, it was always more expensive.
How so?
@@CarObsession for me, I was looking for PCP. The i20 was 12%apr where as ford were only charging 3% the difference was something crazy like 80 a month. Plus ford was only over 3 years whereas the i20 was 5
@@RichJWAdams Ah I see. Thanks for watching.
5:02 bro likes the girthiness 😳
😅
And for film time 14:09 -14:18 - yes I drive like this by my i20N the same, with more engine bung, with the same fun 😀 Fiesta ST feels faster (it has 300+ Nm, better than 275 Nm of i20N) and that make job done. But on track Fiesta ST is a bit slower despite it feels faster. Of course I know, that i20N have "Power boost" - 305 Nm for few seconds and you really FELL it. But you cant turn that boost manualy on, ist automatic in "N" mode and full throttle. I20N should hane continius 320 Nm (and ca. 240 hp) - then will be it 😀
Would have to go for the i20 over the ST shame because I've enjoyed owning a few Ford's and always liked them.
Hiya Steve, thanks for watching!
Fords extended new car warranty for the ST is £350 to 5 years and 100000 miles. A far better looking car and more fun than the awful boring i120 thing !!
none of these cars are boring, they are both great cars and a dying breed.
@@johnnybrravo5791 boring to look at in the case of the 120n thing
£350 for extra 2 years is not bad, is it as comprehensive as the standard ford warranty?
@@mikemorley2797 yup, basically just extending the original warranty .
@@mainman2999 The ford is the boring one to look at. Fiestas are everyday cars over here and an i20N catches stares.
I currently own an MK7 and I find the new Fiestas to be seriously ugly. I went to the dealer to buy one and I just turned back when I saw it(Yes I know it all comes down to personal preference). Ordered the i20N instead for 28k euro fully speced...while the Fiesta would have set me back 34k....mindblowing.
Hi there, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment 👍🏽.
ugly?😂👍🏻 ok .
As you said it’s subjective. I find the pre facelift prettier but the i20N is just bland. The Mk8.5 is in the middle of the two for me. Then again, I never bought a hot hatch for the looks, except maybe my Clio 16v. I was a fan of the hood scoop. 🤣
Cheers mate, have fun with your i20N!
The thing with the fiesta ST is in five years time it will still be a fast ford that’s fun and brilliant to drive😊 the i20n will be stuck at the back of the Hyundai garage because the parts are impossible to get hold of after it’s fell apart!
What makes you think the Hyundai would fall apart? Also, why would the parts be impossible to get hold off?
@@CarObsession because I had one which the steering rack went on it (3 year old car)4 months later it was still in the garage waiting for said parts! The car was an absolute joke……bloody clown car I have a focus ST now i bought with 4k on it has 48k on it now and it’s been faultless brilliant car!
@@philmoffett366 Fair enough Phil!
has anyone ever told you that you look like andrew tate?
Probably, I've all kind of comparisons thrown at me over the years...
Nah the Fiesta ST is better. More practical, better looking, better seats, sunroof, more daily dribeable.... if you want a trackfocused car you gotta buy something else not a 25k 200bhp car (buy a gr yaris or know your place imo) Fiesta is clear in my opinion.
Hiya, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
On looks alone the Fiesta wins hands down in my opinion!!!! The i20n is horrible looking, very angular, hideous shaped grille too! And on the subject, why the Corsa is way ahead of the humble everyday version of the current Fiesta is beyond me. The Corsa is such a boring looking car. No, the Fiesta IS an icon, and will always be!
Yeah, the i20N isn't what I'd call a looker from some angles...thanks for watching.
@@CarObsession Hello, if you had to choose one, which one would you stay with? Fiesta ST or Hyundai I 20 N? Thank you!
@@danielet123 Very difficult to say... If I was doing more track work I'd say i20N.
@@danielet123 I pick i20N (and use it als daily car) Why: 4 cyliders vs 3 (in Fiesta), better sound, better and faster in corners (i20N have pure mechanical div!), more space (specially in 2 row of seats), larger side mirros and good rear visibility, much more drive custom options (4 factory mod + 2 customs mods with 5x3 options each). But you will have a lot of fun with i20N or Fiesta ST, both are super fun cars.
@@marekb3885 Thank you very much! I honestly don't think there is so much difference between the two in terms of speed. As for the sound, the I20 sounds more but the Fiesta sounds with much better quality. Perhaps to go to the track the I20 is more prepared, but let's be honest, how many of you go to the track? However, for a mountain section the Fiesta seems to me more fun and adjustable than the I20. Both are two great cars and really very fun, but from my point of view the Fiesta seems to me a more special car and in terms of design, I find it much more attractive. The I20 especially in its back does not convince me at all. I keep the ST because I think it's a more balanced car in general, and I think it has a better engine. And as a Ford brand it gives me more tranquillity than the Korean one.
You want to learn to sit properly in car you legs far to high and far to close to the steering wheel..If you got into emergency in to do a bit of fast steering you be in trouble.. Learn to drive young man.
Learn to drive? Wow. I passed first time with only 3 minors I'll have you know... I could steer the car fine (I had NO issues), the seat was set to its LOWEST and the steering wheel was set to its HIGHEST 🤷♂️.
There is nothing wrong with his driving position. There is no foot rest for the clutch foot in this car, so your left foot when it isn’t on the clutch is flat on the floor.
Keyboard experts are hilarious.
@@michaelb9664 Thanks for the comment Michael 👌🏽