I think this system is better than flat 55/45. Source: I lost 50/50 six times in a row during Fontaine. It sucks. And 55/45 would not prevent that happening it again, while this does. I also think, since Hoyo claims that consolidated probability is 55.000%, that the third round is not 75/25 but something slightly different to hit that exact probability.
Well it would prevent that as you would have a higher chance of getting the character you want. The 75/25 brings it over a 55% chance, in the infographic I believe it was listed as a 55.17% chance which means if we want to hit 55% dead on then they have to lower the rate.
@@TheGenshinIdiot Yeah. If instead of 75/25 it is 72.73/27.27, you hit 55.000% And let's not forget Hoyo makes no promises on what these rates are, just what is consolidated probability. I guess we'll learn on paimon in due time what the actual rates are.
As a pokemon youtuber said once: "If its not 100% then its always 50%" and that pretty much sums up this new pity system since its still just a 50/50 but with extra steps.
Now people can use this info to get a free 50/50 win once they lose some, which is so good that you guys found that out so fast im so surprised and happy for the community! im guessing they really did not want players to know since they could use this info to their advantage but its such a good change once you know
the one thing i can hand it to genshin, they 100% improved the wep banner to be more inline with character summons, THE ONLY ISSUEEEEEE, is that the celestial fragment or what ever its called resets when there's a new banner, and that REALLYYY shouldn't be the case.
As someone who has every 50/50 since penacony release i want this system in hsr it will literally trigger next pity for me in that game I think having a system in place to Circumvent multiple losses of 50/50 is actually good it might be worse than normal 55/45 but for players who needed it it would definitely be really good
It doesn't matter, point is they increased the chances, and also improved the weapon banner.....no one expected them to do it...they didn't need to do it, but they did.....😐
I'm not really gonna bother to pay attention to the math As someone who freshly came back to the game a week ago, to me the only real issue is the few amount of characters in the permanent wish, and because of that, not getting the banner character, imply you're " losing " the 50/50, because you're gonna get some shit you already have, except if you're a new player I feel like they should remove some older character banners and add them into the permanent list, so that even for a veteran, " losing " the 50/50 isn't necessary a " loss "
@@hecate3608 they make too much money every time they release on of those said old characters. They tried to bundle it all together once but that banner was trash since you could still lose the 50/50 to a diluc.
@@TheGenshinIdiotalways fucking diluc. But yeah, they should implement something to reduce rates for characters you already have. Not just the 5 stars at that.
I’m not 100% sure on the details but I believe there’s some legal issues with the whole adding older characters to the standard banner thing. This is because limited characters are inherently valuable because they’re limited meaning if they suddenly became available all the time, then this value would be lost and in that sense some people would feel like they’ve been scammed. On the bright side though, the devs did say that they plan to add more standard banner characters soon so that means these new standard banner characters will be new characters.
If this is the true explanation, isnt it actually better than fixed 55/45 probability as we thought before ? I am a man that like certainty (and low expectation) even if its long term. Many people quit the game because they keep losing 50/50s. So this system is quite good imo, compared to fixed 55/45, which is just miniscule 5% increase. Even hsr weapon banner's 75/25 (iirc) still makes me nervous. My problem 1. Hoyo dont explain this well, like they do it very poorly. Idk if this can get them sued or not 2. On the 2nd turn, they should've raised the rate instead at the 3rd 3. We dont have any counting system for this, we probably wont remember it after some time. Well they might as well just add pity counter like zzz
@@raihanrusli2720 yeah it just depends on preference, if you think the full 55/45 will benifit u more than this way then you do. I don’t think math can prove anything here as people would still probably like the guaranteed version even if it was lower.
They never said it was 10% to get capturing radiance thats just something people made up. Its better this way because i know shit ton of people that have lost their 50/50 5times in a row, well fuck i am now in 3 50/50 loss streak XD. In a long run this is as good as the first system that people thought. Both are 55/45 after all.
@@luutio9000 yes they never said but you can’t deny that they made it seem like every summon for a 5 star had a 55/45. they don’t count if you’ve lost before 5.0.
@@TheGenshinIdiot its a gacha game bruh. If they just give u what u want its makes no sense. They explained this in the stream itself. the gacha element is what makes a account unique.
@@SRIHARIS-zi1ng Well no thats just their explanation the real reason is its a gacha game is because money. Also wasnt really relevant to what we were discussing about the rates.
@@TheGenshinIdiot thts true dude, There is nothing wrong abt genshin wishing system and They made it better so tht players wont lose so many 50 50. The peoblem is with people who want to pull on every f banner and dont know how to read patch notes. Just save primo and get ur favourite charecter and enjoy the game. The only scam was weapon banner and now its good( even tho I dislike fate point it makes all weapon unique and hoyo can make some money). Believe me, there r so many f2p weapons and we dont need to wish on weapon banner.
@@TheGenshinIdiot AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAA no. They have overall better 5 star character drop rate and instead of 90 you only need 80 for a character. (usualy pity is araund 64-69 from my rolls) Genshin even with a change is still bad on weapon banner, as overall you still need double the pulls and the chance resets. On wuwa you simply pull till you get a weapon with no 33:33:33 non-sense.
@@TheGenshinIdiot yes after new changes with chest and endgame primo increase. Total annual pulls increase from 660 to 720 and I had enough with C0 characters now I'm looking for Consellations to gain more strength !
how will it be 50/50 if you lost your 50/50 so it's 100% guaranteed you can't lose 3 50/50 in a row what do you mean by that? do you mean something like this: lose 50/50 >> get guaranteed >>> lose another 50/50 >>> guaranteed >>> lose 75/25 >>> guaranteed >>> Guaranteed did i get this correctly?
the important question is, does this add to the count of lost 50/50 the ones from 4.X? or does this count only start after 5.0? because if it does count 4.X I lost 50/50 with clorinde, emilie and now with kazuha so this could guarantee me the xilonen and after mavuika. Do you have any info on that?
I wished on yelan banner first i get dhya and then yelan and dailuc so i lost 2 50/50 in a raw dose that means after my next guaranteed whish my capturing radiance will trigger ?
Next you have a 75/25, its not guaranteed to be radiance if you lose then it becomes a 50/50 if you get raidance or not. Basically you do one 50/50 to see if u win then it goes to another 50/50 to see if you get radiance making it a 75/25
Ah…. Great… Capture system that changes very little Weapon banner still a scam because the point won’t transfer A free standard 5 star finally after uhhhhhh 4 years🎉 Elixir requires uhhh how many days until another cycle? and the amount depend on the artifact types?? And it will still depend on your own luck to roll on the correct substats in the end? The reunion rewards require you to log off set amount of days to qualify? Well… that’s not friendly to people who still login to get the daily at all Low expectations I choose you!
@@RealXiang realistically the weapon banner is just the same as the character banner but you have to make sure you can go the full 160 I’m glad they are finally doing things that we have been asking for. Elixir can be found in the wild, I currently have 6. Reunion rewards are just for people who have been gone to catch up
Ok as a person who once lost 10 50/50s in a row i actually like this system more than a 10% fixed chance
@@Zarya. yeah people will probably benifit more from this but it’s hard to say
bennet luck
I think this system is better than flat 55/45. Source: I lost 50/50 six times in a row during Fontaine. It sucks. And 55/45 would not prevent that happening it again, while this does.
I also think, since Hoyo claims that consolidated probability is 55.000%, that the third round is not 75/25 but something slightly different to hit that exact probability.
Well it would prevent that as you would have a higher chance of getting the character you want.
The 75/25 brings it over a 55% chance, in the infographic I believe it was listed as a 55.17% chance which means if we want to hit 55% dead on then they have to lower the rate.
@@TheGenshinIdiot Yeah. If instead of 75/25 it is 72.73/27.27, you hit 55.000% And let's not forget Hoyo makes no promises on what these rates are, just what is consolidated probability. I guess we'll learn on paimon in due time what the actual rates are.
So in short. Its a 50/50 lose streak pity.
It makes it harder to lose multiple 50/50s in a row. Which is just way better. 🤔
I'm not gonna bother myself with capturing radience mechanics. I'd just win 50/50 personally. Sounds like less of a hassle.
@@Blackoutdmc stay lucky
Same energy as "Nah, I'd win"
This guy is testing fate itself 🤪
Im not going to lie for soleone who played since 2.0 with welkin i have only won 2 50/50 in my life so this is honestly good for me
@@alexsjarif yeah it’s a good change
I dont think this change is great for you, but now you will feel great.
What 💀
Fr?? Oh that hurts
As a pokemon youtuber said once:
"If its not 100% then its always 50%" and that pretty much sums up this new pity system since its still just a 50/50 but with extra steps.
MandJTV
@@RoyalTfrii hey I know that guy
Now people can use this info to get a free 50/50 win once they lose some, which is so good that you guys found that out so fast im so surprised and happy for the community! im guessing they really did not want players to know since they could use this info to their advantage but its such a good change once you know
@@user-ee9ck6pm9m I basically did nothing, I’m basically the hot news reporter companies hire but I’m also not hot.
It balances out unlucky streak so it doesn't feel bad so yh its pretty good imo
@@LateefA519 yeah but idk if I would say better than a straight 55/45 though, just depends how unlucky you are.
the one thing i can hand it to genshin, they 100% improved the wep banner to be more inline with character summons, THE ONLY ISSUEEEEEE, is that the celestial fragment or what ever its called resets when there's a new banner, and that REALLYYY shouldn't be the case.
@@Honed- yeah I would like them to update it in the future but we got another weapon banner W since 2.0 finally
As someone who has every 50/50 since penacony release i want this system in hsr it will literally trigger next pity for me in that game
I think having a system in place to Circumvent multiple losses of 50/50 is actually good it might be worse than normal 55/45 but for players who needed it it would definitely be really good
Yeah its a good system, just explained poorly
Me who lost the 50/50 4 times in a row:
Well I mean unless you have it recorded and all summons were in 5.0 we cant really use it as evidence
@@TheGenshinIdiot you mean it only counts summons after 5.0?
@@TheGenshinIdiot you mean it only counts summons after 5.0?
It doesn't matter, point is they increased the chances, and also improved the weapon banner.....no one expected them to do it...they didn't need to do it, but they did.....😐
@@basilisk.. I’m surprised people are taking this news so well honestly
Yeah with this new mechanic it's best to just still wish as you normally do (save and don't count on it).
@@am5571 well I think people should also start counting how many 50/50s they lost in a row
I'm not really gonna bother to pay attention to the math
As someone who freshly came back to the game a week ago, to me the only real issue is the few amount of characters in the permanent wish, and because of that, not getting the banner character, imply you're " losing " the 50/50, because you're gonna get some shit you already have, except if you're a new player
I feel like they should remove some older character banners and add them into the permanent list, so that even for a veteran, " losing " the 50/50 isn't necessary a " loss "
@@hecate3608 they make too much money every time they release on of those said old characters. They tried to bundle it all together once but that banner was trash since you could still lose the 50/50 to a diluc.
@@TheGenshinIdiotalways fucking diluc. But yeah, they should implement something to reduce rates for characters you already have. Not just the 5 stars at that.
I’m not 100% sure on the details but I believe there’s some legal issues with the whole adding older characters to the standard banner thing. This is because limited characters are inherently valuable because they’re limited meaning if they suddenly became available all the time, then this value would be lost and in that sense some people would feel like they’ve been scammed. On the bright side though, the devs did say that they plan to add more standard banner characters soon so that means these new standard banner characters will be new characters.
If this is the true explanation, isnt it actually better than fixed 55/45 probability as we thought before ? I am a man that like certainty (and low expectation) even if its long term. Many people quit the game because they keep losing 50/50s. So this system is quite good imo, compared to fixed 55/45, which is just miniscule 5% increase. Even hsr weapon banner's 75/25 (iirc) still makes me nervous.
My problem
1. Hoyo dont explain this well, like they do it very poorly. Idk if this can get them sued or not
2. On the 2nd turn, they should've raised the rate instead at the 3rd
3. We dont have any counting system for this, we probably wont remember it after some time. Well they might as well just add pity counter like zzz
@@raihanrusli2720 yeah it just depends on preference, if you think the full 55/45 will benifit u more than this way then you do. I don’t think math can prove anything here as people would still probably like the guaranteed version even if it was lower.
They never said it was 10% to get capturing radiance thats just something people made up. Its better this way because i know shit ton of people that have lost their 50/50 5times in a row, well fuck i am now in 3 50/50 loss streak XD. In a long run this is as good as the first system that people thought. Both are 55/45 after all.
@@luutio9000 yes they never said but you can’t deny that they made it seem like every summon for a 5 star had a 55/45. they don’t count if you’ve lost before 5.0.
@@TheGenshinIdiot Yeah they explained it poorly or more like they didnt really explain it xD.
So it is 0.17% better then they said? How is that a scam?
@@KraszuPolis it’s just insanely misleading due to the massive amount of details they left out
They made this to make their rates loot better, but in reality compared to wuwa rates is still 20x times worse.
@@Bullminator isn’t wuwa the same thing except for weapon
@@TheGenshinIdiot its a gacha game bruh. If they just give u what u want its makes no sense. They explained this in the stream itself. the gacha element is what makes a account unique.
@@SRIHARIS-zi1ng Well no thats just their explanation the real reason is its a gacha game is because money.
Also wasnt really relevant to what we were discussing about the rates.
@@TheGenshinIdiot thts true dude, There is nothing wrong abt genshin wishing system and They made it better so tht players wont lose so many 50 50. The peoblem is with people who want to pull on every f banner and dont know how to read patch notes. Just save primo and get ur favourite charecter and enjoy the game. The only scam was weapon banner and now its good( even tho I dislike fate point it makes all weapon unique and hoyo can make some money). Believe me, there r so many f2p weapons and we dont need to wish on weapon banner.
@@TheGenshinIdiot AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAA no.
They have overall better 5 star character drop rate and instead of 90 you only need 80 for a character. (usualy pity is araund 64-69 from my rolls)
Genshin even with a change is still bad on weapon banner, as overall you still need double the pulls and the chance resets.
On wuwa you simply pull till you get a weapon with no 33:33:33 non-sense.
If they were committing fraud, CN players would say so…. 😅 I have not pulled in 5.0 so….I dunno.
@@TheGwilwileth they are not legally committing fraud I don’t think
It's really good actually specially for players who going for C3R1 but have terrible luck
@@exploreevery I mean not many players do that though. Mostly this will be seen as a long term thing for most players
@@TheGenshinIdiot yes after new changes with chest and endgame primo increase. Total annual pulls increase from 660 to 720 and I had enough with C0 characters now I'm looking for Consellations to gain more strength !
this would of been so useful 5 years ago i always lost 50/50 but its useless now
Yeah I havent lost a lot in a row in a while
So will get 75 25 if have lost 2 fifty Fifty on furina banner ?? In 4.7 so does it count that or after 5.0 version?
Nope only after 5.0 loses count
No
@@Lyr0n this is correct
@@TheGenshinIdiot LOL
I think it very much depends on the person whether this is better or worse then just a straight 55/45
@@wansper9297 yeah personally I haven’t failed a lot of 50/50s In a row in a long time so idk
Remember, if it's not 100%, it might as well be 50%
@@bamboozledan I thought the saying was “if it’s not 100% you’re going to miss your attack”
Sooo basically at the 4th lost u have the guarantee and + the radiance so 2 5s chacthers guaranted back to back
@@mirakork8431 no you don’t get a guaranteed I’m pretty sure.
????? The graph sure looks like you get 2 garanteeds in a row at the 4th
Yea I'm pretty sure in the 4th one u get the guarantee and u win the the 50/50 cuz it's 100/0 now .
That means my next 50/50 is 50/50 damn
@@Xni9ex-c6z yep until you lose two 50/50s in a row u won’t see the effects of this
how will it be 50/50 if you lost your 50/50 so it's 100% guaranteed
you can't lose 3 50/50 in a row
what do you mean by that?
do you mean something like this: lose 50/50 >> get guaranteed >>> lose another 50/50 >>> guaranteed >>> lose 75/25 >>> guaranteed >>> Guaranteed
did i get this correctly?
@@dragondevil69 yes that seems to be how it works
@@TheGenshinIdiot i see
I didnt want mulani i summoned once and now i ruied my 50/50! 😢
Well it only started the counter since 5.0 so previous lost 50/50s dont count
its much better if you get early 5 stars
@@readyyyyy yeah but that’s actually super rare
the important question is, does this add to the count of lost 50/50 the ones from 4.X? or does this count only start after 5.0? because if it does count 4.X I lost 50/50 with clorinde, emilie and now with kazuha so this could guarantee me the xilonen and after mavuika.
Do you have any info on that?
@@MegaSuperCrown no you have to lose them 5.0 and onwards.
I wished on yelan banner first i get dhya and then yelan and dailuc so i lost 2 50/50 in a raw dose that means after my next guaranteed whish my capturing radiance will trigger ?
Next you have a 75/25, its not guaranteed to be radiance if you lose then it becomes a 50/50 if you get raidance or not.
Basically
you do one 50/50 to see if u win
then it goes to another 50/50 to see if you get radiance
making it a 75/25
There 0 point of this video existing before banner ended
@@AfterWall what
Ah…. Great…
Capture system that changes very little
Weapon banner still a scam because the point won’t transfer
A free standard 5 star finally after uhhhhhh 4 years🎉
Elixir requires uhhh how many days until another cycle? and the amount depend on the artifact types?? And it will still depend on your own luck to roll on the correct substats in the end?
The reunion rewards require you to log off set amount of days to qualify? Well… that’s not friendly to people who still login to get the daily at all
Low expectations I choose you!
capturing radiance is actually a very good safety net so you dont lose more that 2 50 50 in a row
@@RealXiang realistically the weapon banner is just the same as the character banner but you have to make sure you can go the full 160
I’m glad they are finally doing things that we have been asking for.
Elixir can be found in the wild, I currently have 6.
Reunion rewards are just for people who have been gone to catch up
@@TheGenshinIdiot you only need around 140 pulls to guarantee weapon banner, sometimes only 130. The chances of you getting to 80 pity is next to none
why do you expect reunion rewards for daily players? lmao
EW KOKOMI CLAN! How dare you remind me of their existence
@@kawaiimika7974 what did they do
@@TheGenshinIdiot He trashed on everyone who wasn't Kokomi, Nilou or Yelan. Also, very rude
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