Configuring the GivEnergy All in One
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- After a couple of weeks living with the GivEnergy All-in-One home battery, I share a few tips on how to configure it optimally, and also give you a quick overview of the product.
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00:00 Intro
00:24 A Quick Tour of the AIO
04:01 The GivEnergy App
06:31 The GivEnergy Portal
08:31 Home Assistant and GivTCP
10:04 Where to find further help and complex automations - Наука та технологія
Thanks for your time and effort. extremely helpful for a newly.
You're very welcome!
Thorough overview on configuring the new (not so new anymore!) Giv AIO inverter/battery combo, and its benefits, thanks!
Thank you! And I haven't yet tried out your service but I will be having a play once the longer days arrive...
Super useful thanks. Potentially about to mirror your setup with same installer
Still going well here so I’m sure it’ll be great
Great video. Thanks.
Thank you :)
So envious of your AIO 😉Can you demonstrate the Gateway switch over, that would be great? Also can I ask how much it cost to switch from your previous Giv system? Really hope the Gateway becomes available for us previous generation Giv systems. Keep up the great work.
:) I will do a failover demo in a few weeks once the school holidays are over and I have the house to myself again. I know it works because we had a 45 minute long power cut last week. For costs, you're best off contacting a local approved installer because prices vary a lot.
I've got a gen 2 hybrid inverter and have managed to set up a force discharge schedule while maintaining normal battery operation the rest of the day. I simply select the "Home Demand" option under the Consumption Type. Works a treat. For some reason this doesn't seem to be the case for the gen 1 hybrid inverters though, so perhaps that's where the confusion has arisen from. If I select "Full Export" for the Consumption Type I also get the behaviour where the battery doesn't operate properly the rest of the day. I don't really understand why it does that but there you go! In any case, I've been operating that way for a few months now on Octopus Flux and it's been very successful.
That is good to hear, it's like you said in your video about the AIO that it's very difficult to review and comment on things when you don't have one yourself! Being on Octopus Go, the other tariffs are tricky to fully appreciate how they operate with the kit in the real world. I have a couple of friends who are on IO and hopefully soon Flux both with GE inverters, so I'm hoping to be able to figure out some guides to using the kit with those tariffs over the next few months. I'll certainly investigate the Home Demand only option in those situations too, I'd seen it in other people's screenshots but not selected it myself yet!
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech absolutely, there's nothing like first hand experience! I visited GE HQ a couple of weeks ago to chat with them about various things and I asked them about their plans for tariff automations for Flux etc. Apparently they're pretty close to releasing them into the wild so with any luck we'll see those appear in the app/web portal soon, meaning more folks can gain access to the sort of functionality currently only enjoyed be folks such as yourself with Home Assistant and the like. And then there's Intelligent Flux, of course, where Octopus control the charging and discharging for you. A great option for folks who want a more hands off approach (I'm thinking elderly relatives, for example!). It's certainly an interesting time for this sort of thing. I'm looking forward to more videos about the AIO!
Hi Greek,
Great demonstration. Thanks for sharing. I got same system more recently. When I click on "My Inverter" icon, I can't see two lines for All-in-One and Gateway as it shows in your video (frame 6:47). I can only see All-in-One , not the gateway. Any idea?
Your gateway is probably set up under another user account. You'll need to ask your installer what they did during setup.
Thanks
Thank you very much!
Looking forward to your promised video showing grid failure with Aio. My own simulations have shown some problems with tripping MCBOs and issues when reinstating grid supply. Additionally, my Tesla charger (with Garo PEN fault unit) is fed from the house CU as it was installed before the AIO. should i consider getting it shifted over to the Gateway connection?
Great video, loving the content. At 4:04, why is there 5W going to the grid rather than to the battery?
Fluctuation in solar generation and the battery inverter not having caught up in that 10 second snapshot. It’s negligible really and probably went to 0 within a few more seconds
Had a local installer of many years standing call round to do a survey. We were discussing batteries and battery chemistries. He has fitted a few Givenergy AIO / Gateway systems and mentioned there are issues with commissioning the units. He said that Givenergy would sort it, but they're a bit overwhelmed. He's off to the NEC tomorrrow and said he expected quite a few installers to be taking Givenergy to task. It's the system that I had in mind. I'll wait to see what develops but he also mentioned that the Tesla Powerwall had recently dropped in price to close to the AIO.
I'll be there this week too hopefully. The Powerwall 2 has dropped in price, but I think that's because the Powerwall 3 is about to launch. I think the Powerwall might appeal to those who want a set and forget option with no real (easy and official) way to control it exactly as you would like - there's a lot of trust in the algorithms involved with a Powerwall which I guess is fine for a lot of people but it just depends on what your priorities are when you're choosing the product. My AIO is still working just fine though, no complaints.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech I'm trying to decide between the AIO and the Powerwall 2 because they are about the same price on my quote. I'm on Octopus GO currently but want to switch to IO when the zappi supports it. I'm trying to work out how best to allow the EV to charge on random IO slots without the battery discharging. Thank you.
The Powerwall is a closed system and I don't think it would play well with IO. With GivEnergy you might be able to schedule pausing the battery during IO slots using Octopus R&D Labs, and you could definitely do it using Home Assistant but that's not a beginner's option. If you're up for the effort, Home Assistant is definitely the way to do it controlling your AIO.
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I started to watch your "Home Assistant on a Mac" Video and even downloaded Fusion having completely missed the " doesn't work on Apple Silicon ". Having said that, I've just remembered I've got a 2012 Mac Mini at the back of the cupboard, could be a project for the winter months. Had a phone call from the company that are quoting my SolarPV/battery install earlier. He's been at the NEC for the last couple of days and says that Givenergy have fixed the software bug that was causing some issues with system commissioning.
This was a very useful video. Thank you for this. Do you have any videos showing how to change the connection of the wifi network, if you change providers. Surely it is reasonably straightforward. Also, if I were to install a EV charger would this have to go via the gateway? Finally, if the home tries to pull more than 6kw from the All in one, presumably a circuit breaker will trigger and stop any problems. I've subscribed to your feed.
Welcome to the channel! I don't have any videos, but GivEnergy have guides on doing this on their web site. Personally speaking I haven't changed my Wifi details in 20 years! Every time I get a new router or access point, I just set the SSID and pass key to the same values. It's not great security practise but it does make things easier. Question 2: You do not need to install an EV charger via the gateway, but there is a convenient empty space for an RCD to go for one and it can be wired in such a way that it can be seen by the gateway. Question 3: Yes and no... if you are connected to the grid and pull more than 6kW (or 7kW for 10 seconds) then all that happens is the extra comes from the grid. If you are running off-grid (like in a power cut) then the AIO will start beeping and shut itself down to protect itself (so I'm told, I have never seen this happen).
Thanks so much for this video! It's the only one I've seen where the settings are explained in detail. If you set a "timed discharge" would the battery supply your house, and all solar generation would be exported?
The battery would supply your house, but your solar generation would also supply your house and the battery would only discharge at the rate needed to top up your home's demand. I think standard eco mode is best for your scenario - your battery and solar will meet the home demand together, but any excess solar is exported. That's normal operation. It's very rare that anyone needs to use the timed discharge or timed export options. Timed export is useful for the DFS sessions (Saving Sessions, etc), or if you have a peak export period such as with Octopus Flux tariff. I've not yet come across a scenario where Timed Discharge is useful though.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Thanks very much (again) :) An AIO would cover our usage per day, so I was thinking that it would be more financially beneficial to export all of the solar at £0.15/kWh on Intelligent Octopus, and the charge the AIO at £0.075/kWh. Sounds like that might be difficult to configure with the GivEnergy dashboard.
Great video mate.
I’m just getting solar installed and want to go down the GivEnergy All in One route.
You’ve had yours a while now are you pleased with it still?
One installer told me he wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole?
I understand that you lose energy with the extra AC/DC conversion and back. Does that concern you?
Any downsides to note?
I'm extremely pleased with it. Some people are seeing SOC drop issues - I did on an older firmware but it's very stable now. This is an AC-coupled inverter, just like the Tesla Powerwall is, and all AC-coupled inverters will experience AC-DC conversion losses. the only way to avoid that is to get a hybrid inverter where the solar can charge the batteries directly using DC. But, you still get AC-DC conversion loss when it outputs again to your home, or if you charge it from the grid... so no different in that respect. In reality, I don't notice the losses, the benefits far outweigh them. If an installer has said he won't touch it, then he's not the one for the job! You'll want the gateway installing between your meter and home consumer unit, so it's a fairly involved job for them hence why installation costs more than a regular AC coupled one.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech thanks mate good food for thought from someone who uses it as you do.
I think I’ll go for it from one installer who will fit it!! The plus points for me are the 6000w charge and discharge and the 13.5kw size. The off grid part is good but not a selling feature for me as I can’t remember the last power cut I had!
The downside was the losses in having an AC Coupled battery but listening to you and Gary Does Solar I don’t think it’s worth worrying about.
Is there a complete list of what GivEnergy inverter models are currently compatible with GivTCP anywhere?
No but to my knowledge all GivEnergy inverters are compatible with it. The author of the add on keeps it up to date
Hi Geek. One more Question. My GivEnergy all in one is all installed and working well. At the moment we are on ‘Octopus Go’ so charge our house batteries up between 00.30 and 04.30. But if we have our car plugged in at the same time the car can take longer and takes the charge from the full battery. Basically is there a way to stop the battery discharging into the car over the cheap period ? And thanks very much for your really helpful videos
If you have your battery set to charge to 100% every night during the four cheap hours it will not discharge to the car at all during that period. If you have set the target soc to something lower then it may drain down to that percentage and stop if possible. I’m not sure of your exact settings but using that logic I have no issues myself. As for your car charging slowly most modern chargers have something called a grid limit to prevent your fuse blowing. If you have an 80A fuse your charger might limit your import to about 17.5kW and throttle itself. Check that your grid limit matches your fuse. For the AIO you could easily set the charge speed to 3.6kW down from the max of 6kW and still charge to full in the 4 hours, this is what I do.
Hi, With the AIO you can connect the charger to either the grid-side (does not use battery) or house side (uses battery) in the Gateway. We moved our charger to grid-side so the car always takes charge from the grid and never from the battery. It was a 10-minute job for our installer.
Hi Geek so I’ve just had the same system fitted but on inspection it was decided by the installers that I needed an additional inverter to convert the DC from the solar to AC before it arrived at the all in one this they said was backed up by GivEnergy tech people so I’ve gone along with it only to now see your video where there doesn’t seem to be any additional inverter as it’s name would imply (all in one )any thoughts
You definitely need a separate inverter for your solar. I have a SolarEdge SE3680H converting DC to AC, and the AC is fed into the dedicated AC breaker in the gateway. Have a look in the video at 01:38 and you'll see the inverter above my head.
Interesting video for AIO newbies! My setup is non-solar (sadly due freeholder refusal) but I'm making the most of EDF E10 tariff (currently 0.85p/44,2p) Thank to a member of the FB GivE forum I'm using a simple piece of software which allows me to setup THREE charging slots (The GivE portal or App only allow a single charging period) Apparently the AIO firmware allows for this but the addition of this to the standard apps is "under development". My portal only shows the inverter, is there any point in trying to get the Gateway on there as well?
Early AIO installations required the AIO and GW to be added to separate user accounts (they wouldn't work on the same one). That issue has been fixed now so if you contact support I'm sure they'll move the gateway over to your main user account. There's no really advantage at the moment but you never know, there might be in the future. It's also neater to have them in one account.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech After reading your reply I contacted GivE support but was told that amalgamating the Gateway with my Inverter portal was not possible? They blamed the installer for not setting things up properly- any suggestions appreciated as I do like to know what's going on with my new "toy".
I’ve heard it is possible but only second hand information. Perhaps post your question on the GivEnergy battery users Facebook group as it’s monitored by their support staff. I don’t think you’re missing anything anyway as the gateway doesn’t provide any useful information at least currently
Hi, thank you for the Video, I have had my AIO since August and have had a few issues, my AIO has had a drop from 50 to 60% to empty at unexpected times, could I ask if you get sudden drops in % as well and its not just me?
I did occasionally (would be 40 to 0 though) and BMS update 7 seems to have resolved that for me. Worth calling support to get that battery management update and the latest AIO firmware too
Thank you.
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Cheeky question any chance you could let me know who installed your All in One and Gateway. Reason for asking is in my theoretically just completed install I have separate accounts for the gateway and the battery while yours has both under one account and the option to add more. I need to point my installer in the right direction
It was installed by IVoltz. But back when they were first released there was an issue with the portal not liking both the gateway and the AIO within the same account. That issue was resolved by the time mine was installed, so they're both under the same account now as should all new installations be. However, I think it's still mentioned somewhere in one of the old install documents that separate accounts should be used - that's wrong and outdated information.
Hi Speak to the Geek, great channel and content as always. Hoping you can answer my question as i noticed on your video it looks like you have some kind of solaredge system in your home too. I have currently have solar panels all with solaredge micro invertors, a 9.7kWh battery and 6kWh invertor. All works great and the app is great in the sesnse i can control when to charge the battery and when to export tothe grid via Octopus Intelligent. I'm looking to add a 2nd battery and wondered, can i add a GivEnergy AIO battery and would it work happily alongside my current SolarEdge or should i be looking at adding another SolarEdge battery? Thanks, Mike.
The problem with adding a GivEnergy AIO alongside your SolarEdge battery is that they will likely cross-charge each other. Even with multiple GivEnergy inverters (like I have) you still get cross-charging unless you have a separate energy management system (EMS) to control them. I use Home Assistant to watch for cross-charging problems and pause a battery when that happens, and also to make sure their states of charge are kept inline. Basically right now unless you are willing to put in the effort to create and manage scripts that will do that then you are probably better off adding an extra SolarEdge battery to your existing setup. I don't have SolarEdge batteries though, just a solar inverter and power optimisers.
Thanks for the reply, I'm a total novice to all this and just hoped it would be as simple as adding another batter and possibly using a different app to control the 2nd battery. Sorry to ask but what is 'cross-charge'? Thanks, Mike.
It's when one battery is discharging to your home and briefly exports to the grid as loads change, but the other battery sees that as export and thinks it might be solar that it needs to soak up, so it starts charging from it. Then the other battery thinks there's an increased load so puts out more power, the charging one sees more power and charges even faster, and round and round until one is discharging to the other at full speed.
Hi
I am looking around at batteries and the GIVENERY al in one is favourite at the moment.
Can you tell me who can install Solar Panels and what kind at the same time as th All In One
I live in West Sussex
Hi, you should start by contacting local approved GivEnergy installers in your area. I'm pretty certain all of their approved battery installers will be able to also quote for solar panels too: givenergy.co.uk/find-an-installer/
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Thanks
I have another inquiry for you, on your network page for your router have you noticed that the HF-A21 for the inverter number increases, before when I was on wifi I assumed it was because they failed to install the antenna and the signal kept dropping but now im on a LAN connection it is going up again, last time it got to HF-A21-3** but currently it seems to be going up at least 1 every 12 hours, yesterday it was on 4 but right now its on HF-A21-6.
I’ve never seen that before but I assume it must be just something that your router is adding cosmetically. The inverter only announces (to my knowledge and experience) one fixed hostname. You can view and change that in the inverter’s web interface (access the IP via your browser).
I have an AIO together with a Gen3 inverter. The installer said they had to be on separate accounts. At the moment I don’t have a second battery connected to the Gen3. At some point I would like to add either a 5.2kWh or 9.5kWh battery to the Gen3. This would mean there would be two batteries. However, the Gateway wouldn’t know about the existence of the second battery, because it simply only sees the Gen3 as the inverter source. What is the practical solution, please can you inform me, does GivEnergy have this in hand?
All inverters and gateways can be on the same account. GivEnergy are the only ones who can help if you have them split on different ones at the moment.
Can the GiveEnergy gateway be fitted to an existing or new GiveEnergy hybrid inverter to provide whole house EPS?
Not at the moment but I’m told that they are working on that
Have a look at this video ua-cam.com/video/QihQLhCTUkY/v-deo.html This installer used a hybrid inverter for solar PV for this AIO install. Seemed a strange choice to me, but does show it can be done.
I'm installing my 1st AIO in a few weeks. We installed a Zappi previously. Can I keep the Zappi connected on the non-backup side of the supply? So when off grid the Zappi wouldn't have power. Or should i connect it to the EV charger output in the Gateway?
The way I have mine connected, to the grid side of gateway but using an RCD in the gateway, means that it's not backed up but still monitored by a GivEnergy CT clamp. If you leave your Zappi connected totally outside of the gateway on the grid/supply side, then the battery system will have no visibility of it at all and therefore the energy data displayed in the GE portal / app will be inaccurate. Other than that, it will work.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Not understanding your meaning there. If the EVSE (Zappi?) is connected on the grid side of the Gateway, how are you using "an RCD in the Gateway" and how can the monitoring system know what power the EVSE is using?
Are you sure the EVSE connection in the Gateway is powered from the battery when power is out? Since a car will likely be 10 times the capacity of the GE battery, trying to keep charging a car from the GE battery seems rather pointless. It would take all the power, leaving nothing for the house but only add an insignificant amount of charge to the car.
I have no direct knowledge of how the Gateway operates in this regard, but it seems daft to me if they try and keep charging a car during a power cut.
@@UKenGB Have a look at this video at 04:10 ua-cam.com/video/o1HjLI4EPds/v-deo.htmlsi=fc_Xl-S_eK8G4I9Z&t=250 and you should see how the EV charger has been wired to the grid side of the gateway (i.e. not load side so it can't be battery backed), but it is still seen by the CT clamp monitoring the grid feed.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Gotcha. So all from inside the Gateway and EV feed taken after the monitoring CT clamp. Makes sense.
Still not sure why one would want to charge an EV from the battery which would just get 'sucked dry'. Makes more sense to me to simply not charge the EV until grid power is restored.
None of GE's docs on the Gateway mention anything about this.😐
I am very interested in the GivEnergy AIO system with Gateway, but hopefully you can answer a question I have.
The Gateway apparently has a 20ms switchover time when grid power is lost. Do your computers keep running? Is the switchover time less than the PCs hold-up time so they are able to keep running despite the interruption in power, or does the switchover take too long and they simply crash?
If the battery is in normal dynamic mode (eco on) and discharge is enabled (so normal settings, no fiddling!) then yes, the switchover is unnoticeable to my computers, TV, oven clock, etc...both on to battery and back to grid.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Thanks for that quick reply and excellent news. Power here is very unreliable (wouldn't believe only 1 mile from M25) and I hate computers crashing every time there's even a brief glitch. The GE AIO is looking very good for my needs.
Thanks again.
Most people would have a UPS to support the change over
@@DanannaPhone Why? Another battery to cover the changeover to the main battery system? The GE's switchover is apparently fast enough and I have used many UPSs in the past and despite being one of the top brands, hopelessly short lived, becoming unreliable and ultimately causing more trouble crashing computers than not having them. So no.
I would never bother with such a UPS again and that is one of the big advantages of a household battery and gateway system that can handle the fast changeover. It then IS a UPS.
When I click on my inverters it takes me to the all in one inverter, how did you get the gateway up there?
Both the AIO and GW must be in the same account. The first few installations were advised to have the two devices in separate accounts but that is no longer the case. You can contact GivEnergy support if you want to and they should be able to merge the devices into one account. There's no real advantage at the moment though.
We have EV tariff and those times could change for the cheap rate. It’s always 6 hours so would you set battery to charge over those 6 hours and then leave on dynamic? My only thought was if I plug in a it gives me a schedule of 9pm to 6am, those hours outside what I set, the battery will discharge to car. How would I get round this?
So yes that is exactly what I would do... but I assume you are talking about Intelligent Octopus Go and its adhoc hours? I'm not yet on that tariff, but you would need something to help automate your battery and pause discharge during those adhoc hours. I would personally use Home Assistant with GivTCP to talk to the batteries and the Bottlecapdave Octopus Energy integration to detect those special hours with the 'intelligent dispatching' sensor it provides, and then combine that into an automation. If you have a GivEnergy EV charger then they have a cloud automation you can enable to do that for you too.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech I have a zappi charger. I will get them in and have play with the pause options and timed discharge to house and see how it goes. I usually only charge in that 6 hour window anyway. I can always change how i use the charger and plug in every day. this way it will always be in the 6 hour window
Hi Geek,
What is your experience on GiV App “Generation Reports”. I noted that the report data is not accurate in my case. Total Solar generation on the report do not match with generator meter reading, either Generator meter within the gateway or generator meter next to inverter. Would you like to share your findings with me. Thank you.
Totally agree, solar generation data is massively out (about 35% under-reported). I'm collecting some data as evidence and will report it as a bug to GivEnergy once I'm confident.
This is reassuring to read. I'm on day 3, and I've only generated 3kWh on 2 days, and both were reported as 2kWh in the AIO. I'm assuming I'm not losing 33% of my harvest over a 5m electric cable !
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Thanks for the video. All-in-one information is still difficult to find.
There is one thing I think you should have pointed out. For people looking to set up a new solar PV system, rather than adding the all-in-one to an existing system, they will need a separate solar PV string inverter. Having an inverter included in the all-in-one suggests the solar panels can be plugged directly into the all-in-one but they can't. This confused me for a while. It was only made clear to me when I found the system diagram in the all-in-one installation manual, which is not easy to find.
I did casually mention it while showing inside the gateway, but I guess I could have made a bigger deal of explaining that. Point taken!
Took me a while to realise this too! What is the advantage of the AIO if you require a separate hybrid inverter (at extra cost) alongside it for solar? Keep up the good work!
@@dreamz743 The inverter doesn't need to be a inverter, just a string inverter or micro inverters on each panel. There is no need for the battery charger and battery inverter present in a hybrid inverter. However, it seems all the high power inverters are hybrid inverters so you might have to consider a hybrid inverter for a larger solar setup.
@@paulrautenbach thank you very much for the reply. I'm looking at 10-13 435W panels - would that necessitate a hybrid inverter? Shame because like the idea of the AIO but having to get an additional inverter seems to defy quite a bit of the benefits.
Only if you stick with GivEnergy for your solar inverter. You can choose any brand such as SolarEdge and get a high powered inverter without needing to go hybrid, or as you say use microinverters from Enphase
Please help. No one talks about it!
Hi. By any chance, do you know the optimum temperature for inverter and batteries? I know the range is somewhere between 0 and 50 but my kit is in a cupboard and I had seen the inverter at 45° peak and batteries 35° peak. Got worried about it and ordered 4x120mm pc fans connected to a speed controller attached to a sonoff smart switch above inverter. The fans kicks in at 40° and stops at 36°.
Now I'm a bit worried about the batteries staying at 29°-30° all the time.
Please help me with an answer
Those temperatures all sound reasonable to me. The subject does get discussed regularly on the various GivEnergy Facebook groups. This one here is probably a good one to start with and you can ask the question there if you're still concerned. A number of the GivEnergy support staff spend their spare time in that group so you might end up with an official answer too :) facebook.com/groups/489882062425810
Hello, I am currently on quick setting I dont know ho9w to refer to play please.
I'm not sure what you mean sorry, but you may be best asking for advice on the Facebook group "GivEnergy Battery and EVC Owners"
Have you had any firmware issues with the All in One? I saw someone complaining on Facebook that his battery randomly completely discharges, making it useless.
I don’t know about that particular case, but there is something known as the “soc drop bug” whereby the battery suddenly realises its calibration has drifted from reality so rapidly catches up. This normally looks like the battery has suddenly drained from 40% to 4% whereas in reality you actually only had 4% left. For me, this was fixed a couple of months ago (BMS update 7) but some people are still reporting it because their usage pattern is different to mine. GivEnergy have a new firmware they have been testing to fix this problem with a group of beta testers. They reckon they’ve ironed out the major bugs and only have a couple of minor issues left to resolve. Things aren’t as bad as the forums suggest because it’s the ones with issues who are most vocal. I’m very pleased with my AIO and it works well.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Thanks very much for the detailed reply. Sound like it might be an isolated case then. The All in One really does appear to be exactly what I need, but I haven't made my mind up yet whether to go ahead with solar + battery yet.
A comment on your EV charger. My system was installed last week (by the same folks who installed yours) and I asked them to wire it such that the EV charger wouldn't draw power from the battery, only the grid. I note that is how yours is configured. However, it seems mine is drawing from the battery if it charges outside of the AIO charge window - I'm on Intelligent Octopus so I can have charge slots outside of the 23:30 - 05:30 window. I'm just checking that yours is configured to the grid side inside the GW and that your EV charger wont draw from the battery in any situation..?
My EV charger is wired grid side but monitored by the gateway therefore the battery can power the charger if I wanted it to. However it doesn't because I set the battery to charge during off-peak hours at the same time as the car. I have normal Octopus Go though, if I had Intelligent Octopus Go I would use Home Assistant automations to deal with it. In your case, if you wish for the battery to never be able to discharge into the car under any circumstances, you needed to have wired it up differently. Grid side unmonitored, so wired before the gateway, or on the grid feed before the gateway's grid breaker. If the grid CT clamp sees it, it can be powered!
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech ah, I misunderstood your comment in the video. The installer has since told me that if the EV charger was wired grid side (unmonitored as you say) then in the event of a power cut the EV charger would just appear as a house load and deplete the battery. I plan to create some automations to help the situation, but at this stage I’m not clear how I track the Intelligent Octopus additional charge slots and then stop the battery discharging into the EV.
Hi, So difficult to choose the best system for the price. I'm being offered battery systems for my installed 4Kw Solar array which Ive had for a number of years and has just paid for itself. I'm offered AC coupled systems- Fox ESS 13.5 / Glowatt 13.5 / Solis 13.5 Inverters plus batteries in the same makes - well the Solis has Pylontech batteries but that are very similar on spec. And this Givenergy all in one. the difference in price is £7000, £8000 and for the Givenegy £10000 ish I have to pay the VAT. I'm wondering if the higher price for the Givenergy is worth it and Octopus control vs manual set up for the other systems which my installer says is possible. But obviously its very difficult to get the best information as everyone is trying to sell you their system.
You might want to get some more quotes in. IVoltz are advertising the AIO for under £8k installed including VAT ivoltz.com/our-latest-offers
Thanks for the video. I am in a pickle actually. My Givenergy All in one 13.5 is off line. Tried to get it online but now my dongles is actually asking for a password when before they didn’t. Is there something I need to do? I tried contacting Givenergy but they’re closed in the weekend!
Is the WiFi network asking for a password or the admin web page asking for one? Default username and password for the web page is admin/admin
The internal Wifi dongle. Such networks start with WJ and WK. WJ is for the all in one and the WK for the Gateway. Now I have no idea how to reset them!
It might be the inverter's serial number in capital letters (Mine starts with CH and looks something like CH1234G123). Failing that ask in the "GivEnergy Battery and EVC Owners" Facebook group where there's bound to be someone who can help facebook.com/groups/489882062425810/
Yes they are the serial numbers. Don’t worry, pity that on Monday it is a Public Holiday here in Australia, but will get on the phone this Tuesday. Thanks so much. I’ve saved your video anyway!
What kind of conversion losses are you seeing when solar isn't generating? Do you also see losses when importing from the grid?
That's a difficult question to answer without doing some sort of controlled full charge and discharge, measuring in and out. I'd say it's not noticeable though, I know there's a loss, but it can't be more than 10% or I'd notice something I'm sure.
When there's no solar activity what percentage difference do you see between what the portal says you're importing and consuming? Is there a difference whether you're importing from the grid or discharging the battery? ie Does the Gateway act as a line interactive or online UPS which incurs conversion losses?
I would have to wait until it's a sunny day to advise on that, but there's no major difference from what I've noticed. I'll get back to you when it's sunny again. And I am unable to answer your other questions - you should direct them to GivEnergy sales. I'm basically just a very enthusiastic user, I've picked up a lot about the product but I don't have the knowledge to answer your specific questions.
No problem, I will ask GivEnergy about the Gateway and let you know. I'm interested in what your import/usage difference is when there's no solar activity. Would you be able to share your import and usage stats from the portal one evening when it's dark?
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech It seems that the AIO inverter is always running, waiting for a load. Whereas solar inverters can "sleep" at night, the AIO pulls about 70W 24/7. Something to keep in mind when calculating payback timescales. GivEnergy support aren't very verbose about this and parrot "losses can be up to 15%" which I suspect includes this additional running cost.
Is it possible to turn off the switchover, so you can decide to switchover manually? I'm thinking of a scenario where there is a powercut overnight whilst sleeping, but if your EV is also plugged in, the EV csn drain the AIO before.you wake up!
I don't think that is possible - I can't see any option available to me to do that, but it's a question for GivEnergy really. However to address your real concern, that is more to do with how your EV charger has been wired in. Have a look at my AIO installation day video (ua-cam.com/video/o1HjLI4EPds/v-deo.html) and I show you in there where the charger has been connected. If you connect it to those grid-side terminals then your gateway and AIO can see it and monitor it, but in the even of a power cut the charger will not receive any backup power.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Sorry, one other question - in order for the AIO to power the house in switchover mode, did you need any wiring to go back to the main CU (like I believe you would need with a 'traditional' EPS circuit) ?
Check out my video on balancing the AIO with the AC3 (ua-cam.com/video/L3DjenoRKwQ/v-deo.html) - not because of balancing but because I show a rough wiring diagram of where the gateway, AIO and consumer unit all sit in comparison to each other.
@@SpeakToTheGeekTech thanks, I watched that the other day but missed that part. Every time I watch these vids, I find I'm only looking for answers to specific questions only...then have to watch them again later when I have different questions to answer! Thanks for the vids, very helpful for this particular solar noob
Mine was working great until a few months ago and I cannot for the life of me set it back up again. I’ve looked for videos on how to actually connect the app to the inverter, no luck . I know there was an issue not that long ago and they were advising people to install the latest app which I already had. So disappointed as I loved watching how much energy we were producing 😢
You're best off phoning their support desk for assistance and they can help you out. There could be so many different reasons why it's not working (inverter not connecting to the network, your phone, your app, maybe an issue with your account) that they will need to run through each reason and rule them out individually.
Can I ask how much it cost . ?
You're best off asking an installer because installation costs can vary dramatically depending on how much work is required in your home. Without installation you can get an idea at a wholesaler (midsummerwholesale.co.uk/buy/giv-energy/giv-aio-gateway-bundle)
How do I change my Internet for givenergy
The easiest way is to not change it at all on your inverter, but change your new router (I assume you mean you have just switched providers and they've sent you a new router?) to match your old network name and password. That way your inverter will just connect like nothing happened, and it also means you don't need to go around your house changing all of your other devices to use the new router too. Otherwise, GivEnergy have a video about that already: ua-cam.com/video/v9a7sDsiK0s/v-deo.htmlsi=Fd17BRpo8BmdgIaW