FOBBV CAM🦅The Day After Undeveloped Eggs Were Taken By Ravens💔Rendezvous On Snag🌲2023-03-08
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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Jackie and Shadow's unhatched eggs were scavenged by Ravens on 3/7.
Both eggs appeared undeveloped: either they were not fertilized or development stopped very early on. There is no way to determine that an egg is unfertilized without breaking it (and the law!).
Today Ravens return to grab the eggshell. Shadow lands on the nest shortly after while Jackie observes him from the Stick Depot Snag. Shadow later joins her on the snag for a rendezvous.
Egg1 laid 1/11 at 15:58. Egg2 laid 1/14 before 17:11.
Resident male: Shadow (unbanded) since May 2018. Estimated hatch year: 2014
Resident female: Jackie (unbanded) since September 2016. Estimated hatch year: 2012
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Jackie and Shadow worked so hard to protect their eggs through a brutal Winter.
No one can ever convince me that Shadow was not grieving on that nest. 💔🥚🥚 Thank you Cali.
I agree that both are grieving the loss of potential babies 🥲
@@marycornell6215 yes they are
I cried just watching him 💔🥲
Totally agree..they know
I will never be convinced! EVER.
I am relieved the eggs are gone - ashes to ashes- or something like that. They would have been a sad reminder seeing them day after day😢. A new day and a new start🙏❤❤. Thank u as always for your posts. Sending much love from So Cal
We are all so sad for Jackie and Shadow 😢
As much as I love them I try to view them through a lens of science and logic. But when Shadow looked down at the empty nest I burst into tears just hoping that it's not as devastatingly sad for them as it is for us when we go through this ourselves. I think it's obvious that they feel something and I don't care if that's not scientific. Science is human and humans can be pretty darn arrogant and stupid even if we think we aren't. These birds feel and no one with a doctorate in nothing but logic is ever going to change my mind about that. I also know that animals are resilient and they're going to be okay. Next time it might be different but maybe it won't. Jackie and Shadow are part of nature and nature is uncluttered by logic so they'll just keep on doing the things they were made to do. I'm just grateful to be able to see them in all their beauty even when it's sad. Thank you FOBBV.
There are plenty of studies indicating that they have emotional lives and act within context. Hey..we are animals too. If we came to terms with this humans would have to change their practices. Its just easier to ignore it and keep status quo.
@@joncrane7661 I agree with you completely.
I have some backyard chickens, and they do seem to have thoughts, feelings, and distinct personalities. Some chickens even seem to be friends with each other. I've heard from others that chickens will show signs of sadness and depression when their close friends pass away. I don't know how close birds' feelings are to ours, but they do appear to have them.
Oh roximama, I did the exact same thing and had the exact thoughts you did! I was watching Shadow while at work and just fell apart! You could see his feelings on his face and feel them through his actions.
@@Itsasmallworld-g8y Yeah, it's hard to read a bird's expressions but I believe that too. Later when he spent all that time on the nest I was hoping that he was signaling to the ravens that this season isn't over but I don't know. It seems pretty late to me but I'm often wrong. lol I'm just going to enjoy them no matter what.
Everybody tells me not to put human feelings on eagles, but you can't tell me he's not mourning the loss of their eggs! They gave it their all. I think Shadow was looking for another "Daddy's little girl" or a "that's my boy". Still hoping and praying for another clutch.
Thanks Cali 💞
The way they care for them from egg to fledging shows the eaglet is very important to them. I'm praying for another clutch as well. Miracles happen.
Agree.
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I've been told that, too. But like you, I find it hard to believe that there aren't some feelings that we would call "human". When Shadow continued to go to the nest when Jackie had given up, that showed an unwillingness to surrender. When Jackie came to the nest one night and forced Shadow to leave, seeming to want to be on the nest herself, only to leave after a few minutes, to me that showed her concern for Shadow. And in this video, you could almost feel Shadow's sadness.
Poor Shadow... you can tell hes grieving for those eggs even if they were undeveloped.. what a good man.. hopefully its not too late for another clutch for them
I am happy that we have a happy and healthy resident pair of Eagles in Big Bear. ❤ Thank you for keeping us updated.
Those eggs meant everything to Shadow, he lived for them. His mind wouldn't accept they were gone. He seemed to be frozen in grief sitting there motionless for so long once looking over his shoulder again to where they eggs used to be. At one point an anguished cry of pain burst suddenly from his beak. Heartbreaking to watch.
I truly understand where the term “empty nest” came from, just feels like a broken hope and dream.
Aww, so, so heartbreaking to see Shadow look into the nest and the eggs are gone. Poor dad. I was so lucky that I missed the ravens. Entirely on purpose, however. I have a really hard time with junk like that. God speed, Jackie and Shadow. There is always next year.
Me too😢 sad seeing him wonder
@@kimberlyfranciscus1527 I didn’t get the impression that he was wondering. To me, he seemed full of resolve and committed to letting go of the season. He and Jackie have a strong bond and they know Mother Nature makes her own plans. Of course we don’t really know their mental capacity to grasp the complex emotions we humans are experiencing, do we? Wish we could know.
@@marypritchett115 hi.. yes good thought possibly a bit of both ... just in thought of what was and now what is🦅💝
The eggs were unfertilised so nothing bad to see
@@TragicallyDelicious You are correct. The ravens enjoyed their eggs 🍳, runny yolks and all. No different from having Lucky Charms for breakfast, they were magically delicious 😉
Poor Dad, he looks as if he doesn’t know what to do.😰
I have a Parrot and although it's not an Eagle, I can tell you that they can be very emotional creatures! They Hug and Nuzzle. they get angry at times as well express happiness. Until you have been around birds on a one to one up close and personal, it's hard to believe but once you have, there can be no doubt that they have deep intricate emotions.
Yep, my wife and I have an African Grey who just turned 20 years old. They are amazing creatures (all birds are).
parrots are far more intelligent than eagles.
@@janetannerevans2320 Seems so, but each have evolved well to their environments with different strengths. FYI, not sure if you meant to or not, but your statement seems to imply this eagle pair may mourn their loss, less than parrots might in a similar situation…
You are exactly correct, I own a parrot too. He love me and I love him too his name is Willy a Yellow Nape green yellow blush
So sad. Especially seeing Shadow looking for the eggs. So glad to see both of them there though.
I’m sad for Jackie and Shadow 💔 However I think of wonderful Spirit and smile ,looking forward to another season with beautiful Jackie and Shadow 🙏Thank you Cali 💕
do you mourn the same for viable human beings that are aborted? just curious.
@@janetannerevans2320 I’m just curious why are you asking me this ?
There has been heartache at all 3 nests I follow this year. God Bless Harriet, Sampson and all who endure nature's wrath. It will get better. Just hard to take in sometimes when normally watching these eagle families brings so much joy. Fly high.
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Yes very sad 💔🥲
My mom has been watching Harriet for a few years and would often mention what was happening, so I heard about their hardship. I just started watching this cam during the storm a couple weeks ago. Totally hooked emotionally and having all sorts of feels about this pair and birds in general now. Yesterday I was reading about how avian flu is impacting Bald Eagles across the US, so I’m happy that this pair is still healthy. 🙏
@@TheEmaile I was upset over Harriet’s disappearance this year too. However the saga of the eagles in British Columbia that adopted a red tail hawk last year was one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen. She was brought into the nest alive for the eaglet to kill but instead he protected her and eventually both parents fed her and even continued to care for her even after both birds fledged. It had a tragic ending though because the eaglet was electrocuted; I was broken hearted. Watching these nest cams is often like watching a Shakespearean play, joy and sorrow in equal measure.
I was just talking about this. The heartache of losing Harriet and then this. We've had a crazy cold winter here in CA. It has to be a factor in regard to no development within the eggs. That face when realizing the eggs are gone, 💔😔
They will get through this together
Thank you Cali Condor for keeping us close to them.
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It was so strange to see the ravens pestering Jackie on the tree / glad Shadow came & they had a nice rendezvous /
thank you...Cali Condor for your fine videos !
Those ravens were harrassing Jackie and seemed almost sadistically rubbing it in that her eggs were gone.
I'm glad the raven took that last eggshell before Shadow got there, almost seemed intentional given the timing to spare Shadow's feelings from seeing a broken and emptied egg. We grieve with you, Shadow and Jackie. May the universe always protect you.❤❤🦅🦅
Interesting point. I hadn’t thought of the intentionality of that, but I did wonder why the ravens were gathered around Jackie. I’m new here, so maybe they do that often, anyway, but I thought it interesting, especially the solo bird at the end.
My 20 month old grandson would point at my laptop every time he was here and say "Eggs" meaning he wanted to check on Jackie and Shadow. We both enjoyed watching and experiencing the excitement of Jackie and Shadow and possible new babies. While we are disappointed this time we will hope for a better outcome in the future. Thank you for the great commentary as it was wonderful. Best to you all that allowed us followers the peek into the nest. ;-)
There are three little bobbleheads 🐥🐤🐤at Dale Hollow Eagle Camera. They are so cute, your grandson would be overjoyed.
Thank you so much. We will check it out tomorrow for sure. :-) Thank you for your sweet reply.
Your recounting of little grandson's desire re seeing the nest eggs and eagles is so heartwarming. Thanks Lisa 😍
Thank you. Just to see his excitement and hear him say Mama, Dada and baby when he sees the Eagles melts my heart too. HIs parents take him and his 3 year old sister to the zoo in San Diego all the time so he loves animals. It's a good thing. ;-)
Wow! This clip of J&S together after all they have been thru over the past several weeks just warms my heart! Ty so much! 😎🙏
Oh my goodness I’m so sad. This brings me to tears. I’m probably being silly but I’m so sad. 😢
You are not being silly…you are being human. We feel their loss in our hearts.
Thank you so much Cali for covering this! I love this couple and have watched them raise and fledged feisty Spirit! Last year. They are and all bald eagles very precious in life and nature!❤️😒🦅🦅
Thanks for capturing this moment for us, Cali. It was so sad to see Shadow looking so longingly into the nest bowl and to stay on the nest like he was pondering what was next. I watched the ravens scavenge the eggs and thought about how J&S would react to the empty nest. I believe nature knew what had to happen, it was too hard to continue to see the eggs just sitting there. And why did those ravens land on the snag while Jackie was there and she didn't budge?
To me, it felt like the ravens were giving their condolences to the grieving parents. Clearly unscientific theory ... just a gut feeling.
My heart is breaking
For Shadow&Jackie
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Future, here you come. Today.
Strong and Rising. Once again.
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So much action at the nest tree and roost trees today. We saw a bit of everything. Thank you for these amazing captures Cali. ♥🦅🦅
That was breath-taking from start to finish ... I cried all the way through. Such awe-inspiring creatures 💜 🦅🦅💜
Maybe we are too.
@@jayjaychadoy9226 Humans could, most definitely, learn a thing or two from Jackie & Shadow.
Even in loss, these are such awesome and majestic creatures. Their strength, endurance and resilience always amazes me ❤️
💔 hopefully they will have another hatch 🙏🏻 it’s nature 🦅 beautiful eagles 🦅
Shadow is the most dedicated dad~ they should be busy providing for those eaglets. What now? Nature knows best.
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Very sad. Hopefully the next time they will develop ❤
Thank you for these wonderful videos.
Thank you Cali Condor. Your diligent work is a appreciated.
As sad and disappointing as it is that Jackie and Shadow’s eggs were not viable, the ravens might have done them a favor. Removing the eggs resets the situation. Now we wait to see if the loss of their eggs stimulates Jackie and Shadow to try again by producing a second clutch of hopefully viable eggs, at a time of year where the weather hopefully won’t be so brutally cold.
That’s what I was thinking, besides the Ravens need food too and the eggs were not going to hatch. Waste of effort at this point to be guarding them too, at least now they can relax (kind of) it takes a toll all that work.
@@carmenmartinez2882 Back when Bald eagles, and other raptors like Peregrine falcons were endangered species, wildlife biologists were working to help their populations recover. One method that was used was removing the first clutch of eggs from the nest to be raised in an incubator, in the hope that the Bald eagle pair, or Peregrine falcon pair, etc., would be stimulated to lay a second clutch of eggs that would hatch out to be raised. The method was called ‘double clutching.’ So my hope is that Jackie and Shadow will try again with a second clutch of eggs. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, together with the Colorado Division of Wildlife, had a captive breeding program for Peregrines a short distance from my university (Colorado State) and we visited the program during one of my classes. It was fascinating. So that is what came to mind when the ravens ate the eggs. That said, it was hard to watch Shadow stare into their suddenly empty nest.
Thank you Cali Condor for thorough explanations. We’re all learning from you and Jackie & Shadow. 🙏♥️🦅
Thank you Cali for such a sobering video. I am amazed at how Shadow kept looking at the empty nest! It was as if he was pondering, thinking about the eggs. Like he was mourning for them.😢 Sad that the eggs did not hatch but I am sure they will have more in the future. This is like when a woman miscarries the baby even before it has a chance to develop. Even though the baby is not viable the parents naturally mourn for the baby, because it is still a loss. And this is what has happened to Shadow and Jackie. 🙏I pray that they would have supernatural protection from up above because these beautiful birds are built for the outdoors. amen.
comparing a human mother's miscarriage and that loss to these eagles is obscene.
@Jane Tannerevans Hi Jane, I understand your feeling - for a second or two, I felt outraged even though I feel sure Hadassah meant no offense to us, any of us. Take care 💓
Ravens are really harassing Jackie. She’s just holding her ground, look 👀 out ravens she will get you. 🥰🇦🇺
Thanks Cali…the ravens were patient in going after the eggs. Glad this part is complete though. Hey Ravens, the drive- thru is closed. Onward !
At last! Now our beautiful couple can start over, if this is possible this season. I hope they are cuddling and mating 🥰🥰🥰
He looks like he is just having a private meditation for the babes. 😥
Shadow looked perplexed to me. Like what happened to the eggs?I'm not sure, but l thought there was some mating going on. Thank you Cali for the videos of the beloved Jackie and Shadow.
Love you Jackie and Shadow for who you are ❤❤❤ xoxo magnificent you will always be
Thank you Cali❤🦅❤️🦅
It was amazing to watch both parents care for the eggs equally. Humans and other mammals put most of the work on the female to raise the babies. But eagles equally put in effort to feed the young. It is hard to see the parents trying so hard and see their efforts fail.
The nest still seems to holds tremendous significance for this pair. It is strange that the ravens congregate peacefully about Jackie on the snag - almost as if to console her. Shadow then flies up and casts his glowing gaze upon his mate. Maybe it's not too late for another clutch.
I found the Ravens behavior fascinating as well. They congregated as you said, and were not harassing as one would expect. And at the end of the video, a single Raven perched in solidarity with one of the Beloved Eagles. More powerful and interesting lessons for us.
So, so sad! Do they mourn or, move on? It’s like Shadow is in shock.
They move on. They live in there here and now, not the what might have beens. Only humans do that.
That was gut-wrenching to see Shadow looking for the eggs. It was as if he couldn't fathom them being gone. What was he thinking? Really, though, as I Sat here watching, it was merciful that the ravens ate the rotten eggs. Their agony would have been prolonged over trying to hatch the rotten eggs. At least now they can move on.
If there is a video of the eggs being taken from the nest, I can’t bring myself to watch.
It’s so sad to see
Shadow & Jackie Mourning like that. They tried so much to hatch those babies 😢😢
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It isn't sad that the eggs are gone. The ravens did them a huge favor by getting rid of the old, unfertalized eggs from the nest. That's a good thing! Now, the nest is nice and clean for future egg/s!
on International Women's Day, Jackie shows those ravens who is boss. We love you Jackie 💝
Makes me wonder if he was thinking of what "could have been" had his eggs hatched. 💔 💔
Did anyone else cry?😢
I’m new to this channel watching the previous videos of shadow and Jackie now I’m 😭😭💔💔
I hope they will try again, so sad.
Some days, this world seems so cruel. In tears. I'm not looking forward to the day one of them doesn't show up ever again.
Are the ravens just natural tormentors? It’s unbelievable how they’re surrounding Jackie. It’s like something out of a Disney movie. Such grace that Jackie has.
and 2019 they ate one of her eggs not long after she laid it.
I remember last season Spirts Love egg that didn't hatch, he loved that egg, never hatched never, it was like Spirit couldnt leave it, it was so sweet, yet painful. Mom & Dad just dealt with it,the egg was still intact when Spirit fledged. 🙏✝️🙏
That was interesting! I've never seen an eagle and a raven perch so close to one another. Thank you for this!
Shadow, Our hearts are hurting with yours! Although we don't see Jackie as much I theory is that she is staying away from the nest to heal and get some space from being at the place where they both worked so hard and to not have to feel the pain when looking down at the empty nest too..
Very interesting to see all the ravens surrounding Jackie don't you think?
I don’t think the potential hatchlings would have survived and it would have been more tragic. Thank goodness it happened as it did.
Seems like the crows are taunting Jackie.
They weren't taken. They were undeveloped and abandoned. The ravens did Nothing nut eat something that would've forever decomposed In front of thousands. It was as perfect an ending as possible. Still heartbreaking to wonder how daddy felt.. knowing they had to unplug the life support.
Nature give. Nature take. Nature beautiful. Nature ugly. We are lucky to witness.
The ravens pestering Jackie are relentless. Are they expecting her to provide them with more eggs on request?
I have been hoping that a clip would be extracted and shown of *_WHEN_* ravens took the eggs. Was that not allowed by FOBBV for some reason ???
Si hay video de ese momento 🥲
they love each other so much!
The view from this nest gives me chills.
I to believe they grieve in their own way just like we do yes I do cry for them even now
😥😞My heart is broken for them!💔💔
Shadow looked rather sad and lost looking at the nest.😥
Shadow was like .. oh heaven where are my eggs and what happened to them ... I am mad at ravens rhat i shouldn't be i couldn't stand watching them eating rhe eggs .. a tear felt and I stop watching. Today it huets more seing Shadow trying to find the eggs in the nest .. looks like he wasn't himself for a few mins. I started here since Spirit was still an egg .. then was exciting , fun, Spirit was funny at timesi learnt alot about eagles ... anyways i will still be here waiting for another Jackie ans Shadows baby to come. Thank you very much Cali.
Me to😭💔
We love you J&S 😍 TTE ❤️
TY Cali Condor for this important update. 💔 I hope Spirit is safe, wherever she may be.
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Poor Shadow, he really does look sad. I’m glad the eggs are gone though, maybe now they can try for a second clutch if it’s not too late. Does it look like Shadow has an injury to his beak, or a smear of blood?
The blood on his beak and talons is from a previous meal. He is fine👍
@@doggerel49 Thanks 🙏
Shadow appears to be grieving while Jackie is being tormented by the ravens. I know I am projecting but it feels very sad. I kind of want a little biblical smiting to happen Jackie is a cool cat.
Can we call that the shag tree as well as the snag tree? ;)
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Hey ravens, Fiona had first dibs on those eggs!
Actually, Fiona visited the eggs after they had been abandoned. It’s not clear they could have done something with the then-unbreached eggs. I expected at least one of the squirrels would return to the nest once the ravens had eaten the contents of the eggs and left the one large shell behind. But I never saw either of the squirrels return. The ravens returned today and removed the shell left behind yesterday.
I had no idea that ravens would share the same tree. Almost as if the ravens were there to support Jackie and Shadow. Weird. Nature is fascinating.
Tbh, I can’t watch this entire video. My heart breaks witnessing Shadows confusion wondering what happened to his eggs. Nature can be so cruel and beautiful😢
I seen on another video in 2019 the same thing happen but they only had 1 egg.. I feel so sorry for them...
That was hard to watch. 💔
Animals grieve. Some grieve as profoundly as we do. Just because they’re not of the human race, doesn’t mean they aren’t affected by loss. Shadow clearly is and deeply, I’d say. Never underestimate the power of losing that which was held so dear.
I don’t know this but is it possible that it’s just so cold with the snow and all. I mean that’s got to be a reason. The eggs were left several times also.
Shadow just sitting there, repeatedly looking down at the nest - that looks like sadness to me. I cried for him, since I know he can’t and nature instinctually pushes both Shadow and Jackie forward to the next thing… I think they haven’t forgotten this, and it’s why they are clinging longer to those eggs this year, in 2024. J & S are smart birds, and don’t want to see that empty bowl where eggs used to be/should be, so I think they’re resisting their instincts a bit, but I know they won’t be able to do that for long….
They are so smart , 😢😢😢😢😢
Aww 😞♥️🪶
I AM SHOCKED
This breaks my heart
We all can see,Shadow was sad 🥲🥲even Jackie knows too that's why hardly stay in d nest.but like shadow more feel bad about it.his hope is gone.can try again next season Jackie n Shadow❤️❤️🦅🦅thank you Calicondor
Shadow stayed there awhile. Wondering what happened. All that time sitting on those eggs. Then to come back and they are gone.
Where is the video of the ravens taking the eggs?
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It's like those ravens were taunting Jackie, " hey we ate your eggs hahaha!" Little do they know, she already had left them. Stupid punk ravens!😵😈 Sending good vibes for next year!💝
Will they try again?
The tree where the nest is looks sickly right now.