I've just checked, The BEV chargers which were free and then 25p per kWh are now 87p per kWh! Instavolt which was 55p per kWh is now 85p per kWh! The long and short of it is if you can charge at home, great! Overnight off peak for 7p per kWh If you can't and you have no option at work, then you are stuck paying a minimum of around 50p per kWh now on the public network.
Crazy! I live in France, and I pay at Superchargers between 30 and 40 euro cents per kWh, depending on location and time of day. Other brands can also charge at Tesla Superchargers... I believe at the same cost, provided they pay some relatively modest monthly fee. What do you pay at Tesla Superchargers in the UK? 85p/kWh is a total rip-off!
Another great video Mark! I myself have had my ID.3 for a year next month and also purchased without having a home charger as I live in a flat. With public charging at the start it was amazing as it felt as if there were very little EV's on the road.. however almost 12 months on and there are vastly more on the road however this doesn't annoy me or hasn't put me off in any way as I've just adapted to know what chargers are generally less busy than others in my area and utilise the free charging at work whenever I'm in the office. Personally I still recommend people get an EV even if they're unable to charge at home but this is just me!
If you have charging at work, that is just as good as charging at home. That is just a no brainer and not really a challenge to own an EV. I would like to find out from someone who has neither.
for home you can, just roll out a extended cable from window. I tried on my friends car, was gringe doing it from first floor, but imagine 3-5th floor, cable hanging out etc.
6 months of electric driving and have been using only the granny charger whilst I sleep every night, it's slow but the car is parked anyway, so 80% everyday.
@@MBrown no issues whatsoever, using a 10 metre cable through the window. Very crude but it works, daily drive uses up about 20-30% easy to to up in 6 hours. Schedule charge from midnight when it's dirt cheap.
Great video Mark. This is particularly useful for those of us in the US, where the public charging network (other than superchargers) is still weak. It’s why I installed a home charger. Thanks!
@@MBrown It’s changing slowly. But it does make owning a Tesla the best choice for many people given the breadth and reliability of the supercharging network.
@@MBrown They're fairly plentiful, especially Level 2, but whether they _work_ on a given day is another story. The reliability is shockingly bad. Plugshare can often tell you, but not always. If I did not have access to Superchargers, I would be very hesitant to plan a long trip in an EV with the state of things. If I did, I'd be prepared to fall back to Level 2 and spend a few hours hanging out. Another major gripe is that they usually require app-based payment, each network has its own, and you're frequently unable to charge because the app is broken. Installing an app and creating an account is a hassle even when it works. Dear charge-point operators: nobody wants this. Please just install card readers.
Hi there Mark.Yes i'm a Tesla owner now [6 weeks ago] So far I've done a trip to N Wales with no problems as I researched this over and over again and it was fine even destination charger. Local chargers to me in London are fine at the moment with a cluster around where I live another research item.So all in all thanks for the video and other videos with great advice and delivered in a friendly and useful way without any nonsense.Thank you so much.
Great overview Mark. One little parking loophole is that if you’re going to be parking in a town centre, even if you don’t need to charge it’s often cheaper just to pay and charge, as many offer free parking whilst charging.
@@MBrown You mention York which is a classic example. You can easily pay over £15 to park for 5hrs whereas it might cost 15p per kilowatt on a 7kw Pulse charger. If you’re parking/charging regularly could save yourself a ton if you set the car to charge at a slower rate.
Have had my tesla model 3lr since March 2021 and loving it. I don't do many miles at all and just use my local free supermarket charger. So far I have only used a super charger once but mainly use my granny charger overnight at cheap rate electricity. One thing I have noticed is if you bury your right foot on the juice pedal for a long period of time a 40 mile trip will use up more than 100 miles of battery.
Mark, enjoyed your video and seeing how others are dealing with charging their EV without having to install a system. We got an Ioniq 5 6 months ago and love it aolng with not having to visit gas stations weekly. We live in Los Angeles California in an apartment with a garage using the 120v outlet to charge and we pay an additional $25.00 a month for it. We charge the car 3 to 4 times a week and it is working out great for us. We don't have far to go for work so charging during the week builds it up for our weekend adventures. We have free charging from Electrify America for another 18 months and will us it when needed.
$25/month for a garage is a smoking deal; I can't imagine anyone _not_ opting for that! I have a little storage unit in front of my parking space and the previous tenant may or may not have tapped into the overhead lighting (allegedly)...I'm really tempted to run a cord so I could at least get Level-1 charging, but I'd likely run afoul of the property manager soon enough. I generally rely on free charging at work, and if not for that an EV really would not make sense for me.
I sometimes use the 3 pin plug option at home. That is better than trying to find a vacant charger. Sadly not all areas are like yours that have chargers that aren’t always in use. Adding just a outside weatherproof socket would be a good thing, if you don’t need a home charging point installed.
I got a home charger in 2010 when I got the 2010 Tesla Roadster. In 2014 I upgraded the charger when I got the 2015 Tesla Model S and after buying the 2013 Chevrolet Volt. In 2015 I also got a Nissan Leaf. Then in 2023 I got a Tesla Model Y. I just realized how little I've used the home charger since 2010. Just about always I end up charging for free at work. Nice to have the home charger as a backup. But it just sits there almost completely unused.
Excellent video. Basically, for those who can’t (or don’t want to) install a home charger but are considering an EV - do your due diligence. It very may be doable. It’s great to know it’s worked for you!
Just a bit of info for you.. don't know which bit of Norwich you visit but there is now open a new Gridserve site near the postwick Park and ride just off the A47.. separate tesla chargers on site..
Where I live (outskirts of London) there are several large supermarkets and stores nearby with big car parks. None of them have ev charging, nor do they look like getting it any time soon.
Ive had a 2019 SR+ without a home charger since Dec 2019. I use mainly free Tesco podpoint chargers to top up or i can use a 22Kw Vend electric charger 5 mins down the road at a cost of 15p per Kwh which is significantly cheaper than my home
With supermarket chargers are they not limited to 7kwh and 3 hours in their car park? So you can only top up 21 kwh but that's 3 hours of your life sat in the car waiting.
@@harrytrueman4216 Yes your correct, fortunately for me my local supermarket has the podpoint trio, 2x 7kwh, 2x 22kwh and 50kwh rapid. I mainly try to top when battery level around 45-50%. So using the free 22kwh charger only takes around 1hr 30mins to top up back to 85-90% so I spend 45mins to 1 hr shopping in store then the rest sitting in car. Only need to do that once or twice a week
An alternative option would be to charge your Tesla Model Y at work. Although I cannot charge it at home presently, I take advantage of the free charging stations provided by my workplace.
We've now owned a VW ID.4 since a little more than half a year, living in Germany. We also do not have a home charger since we live in an apartment without private parking, however we do have a lot of public chargers nearby, which are free most of the time. It isn't particularly cheap to charge there. Charging is not an issue for us though.
Bear in mind Mark, the inconsistency of the price of electricity for charging your car. VAT is charged at 5% for electricity to the home whereas it’s charged at 20% for electricity from public chargers.
Mark, 5 mins walk from me is Tesco with 4 Pod Point chargers and I can guarantee there is always 2 tesla's charging, I would recommend if you can have a wall charger fitted do it. I charge my Kona every 10 days and don't miss the petrol station prices.
Good video and some good points, i also see a lot of issues where 3rd party chargers are either not working or are full, so glad i have the Tesla and Superchargers, although when they allow other non Tesla vehicles to charge i fear the worst.........i do have a home charger but take the challenge every week to get free charges on my travels, i have 1 50kw charger 7 miles from me that is very volatile (but free), some days it works others it has a massive line waiting for the free charge so i go home plug in and take the hit to my bank balance..overall i cant complain and i do usually 400-500 miles a week for free (i have a 7kw charger at work and i charge overnight when others are at home as i stay away) although through the day it again is first come first served. i also used to use the one at Bents Garden centre that i recognise from your videos but again getting more popular..... also i do now see a lot of high value - 40 - 50p PKW chargers not populated as others also look for the free ones, Falkirk FC stadium has loads of fast chargers that were free to use before and always used, now you have to pay and they are 90% empty all of the time.....what a waste.
Thanks Stuart yes 3rd party chargers not working is a big pain to be honest! Oh yes bents is a good one, used to use that, but everytime I go now it's being used, usually by a Hybrid with 23 mile range haha!
If I still lived in UK, would be very useful!! Thanks for your efforts - I don’t know about where you live, but here in Málaga, there are more & more Teslas!!
In Southern CA where I live, as EV's become a dime-a-dozen I am seeing an increasing number of businesses install free chargers to draw in customers. I hope this trend continues, and I hope that people using one will go in and buy something in order to incentivize businesses to continue/expand the practice. It could really be a win-win, as the business potentially gets a captive customer (especially if it's somewhere nice to sit).
@@UA-camuseritis No. I would not advise someone to buy an EV if they would be completely dependent on public charging (in other words, no ability to charge at home or at work). It's _doable_ with a Tesla, because of the density and reliability of Superchargers, but it's still going to be somewhat of an inconvenience (largely depending on how much you drive) and you may not end up saving all that much money over gas, compared to an efficient hybrid. If you would be dependent on EA or any other network, God help you. It's honestly dismal. A typical Supercharger site has anywhere from 10-40 stalls, and the vast majority of the time they _all work_ (or you _might_ have one or two down). Typical EA station has 4 DCFC stalls _max_ and the majority of the time _at least_ one of them will be derated or down.
@@UA-camuseritis Not to be a jerk, but...why? You can get a Model 3 for the same (or less) money and it's a far superior car. Even if you can't stand to own a Tesla due to the Musk factor (which is totally valid) there are better options out there.
So, this is my 12,286 miles from August 2018 until August 2021. With being retired and covid, it’s dropped dramatically. A 2011 Audi S3 using V-Power fuel and now it’s on E10 fuel as the other cost is stupid. Drum roll please………… £2989! Yep, I keep a total record of my petrol costs, every single one of them since 2014. So, I think you’ve done well Mark! 😂🤦🏻♂️ I appreciate the info and costs as I will never be able to home charge either due to house position. I’d be doing most of my charging on a nearby Tesla supercharger TBH, so costs would be more. Be interesting how battery longevity is just doing that as well. Anyway, it’s a bit of a dream. Thx 🙏🏻
I'm very seriously considering an EV, and i can't gome charge (terrace house). But there's lots of public chargers near me (all carpark based) and walking distance, so could easily leave it charging for a few hours. Most are bp chargemaster as well, which seem to be priced the best with the subscription.
Hey that's great, yes I didn't have a home charger for three years and got along okay, I would recommend using the Tesla charges as they are one of the cheaper ones. I think the BP charge Masters are quite expensive.
Loving how informative your videos are and how you edit your video together! A good mix of b roll. Glad to see a video about the Tesla car actually have some focus on the car rather than the person talking to the camera the whole time. Am soaking up all the information you presented here but suspect I will have to rewatch this video once the Shanghai factory delivers my car…….in 9 - 12 months time. 😔 A fan all the way from New Zealand. 🇳🇿
The public chargers you find in a supermarket car park, aren’t they piddly slow ones? And I’d guesstimate most people are in and out within 30mins, how much charge are you likely to gain??
Hey mate, I know Yarmouth well and I also know that Gonzo’s Tea Room. Born and raised in Norwich and I visit quIte a lot again these days. I love Norfolk? Make sure to pick up those chocolates for the GF (essential mate).
I lived "without" an electric car for a year and I love it. In fact for 35 years since I been driving and I wouldn't have it any other way. Happy days. 🙂
Hi Mark, thanks for your informative video. I just got a MY 2 weeks ago, no home charging as well like you. Are you still getting free charging. I have beev just down the same street which costs 49p now. Did a charge from 40% to 90% and it costs £20. I'm also living in Manchester but couldnt find free charging. Any tips? Or any hints on where youre charging for free? Thanks!
What do you do when unexpected things happen though Mark, like having a extra drive to the dentist or doctor unexpected, then you rely on super chargers too get a quick top up?
Hey Roy to be honest I try and charge the car when it falls to about 30-40% so I’ve always got around 100-150 miles in the car so plenty to cover journeys like that 👍
Hey Mark, thanks so much for the video! I haven't seen any comments about this but I'm afraid that if I charge in public chargers, which most have DC chargers, this might affect the battery life in the long term. I read that using too much superchargers and DC chargers may lower it. I'd appreciate it if you answered this: with you charging in public chargers, how has this affected the battery life of your Tesla in that year that you've owned it? Thanks so much in advance!
Hey Ivan thanks for the comment. So yes I’ve heard fast charging can degrade the battery faster… however not by a lot so I wouldn’t worry too much. I try to use the slower public charging when I can 👍
Weird that a remote dwelling that already has electricity to it shouldn't get a BEV...why not just plug it into a regular three-pin socket? If the dwelling has electricity running to it, it would be worth investigating the cost of adding another dryer outlet. Doing the electrical upgrade may cost less than six months of fuel, nine months of fuel, 24 months of fuel (you get the idea), and then is there forever. A one-time cost of who knows how much might be preferable to the ongoing cost of fuel and maintenance of an ICEr.
Hey Adam, so locally the public charging was either free or pretty cheap. The cost for putting in a charger was around £1000 with the work needed to dig the garden. I could use an extension lead but it’s so slow to charge that way I’ve been good just using all the public chargers
Hey Adam, wiring refs are very different in the U.K. we have 240 volt instead of 120, so we run dryers on a normal circuit. Most people not using a dedicated charger but not wanting to trickle charge would fit a 32amp ‘commando’ socket. Still requires a qualified electrician to fit.
Interesting see EV/Tesla ownership from the other side as I myself have a drive and home charging. I still however get some free public charging in when I go shoppers. I have also seen these getting busier of time as I myself have also owned my M3 since March 21.
2:20 ...what on earth is a "free charger"?? There's no way you're charging your Tesla for free. Btw I'm from the US so I'm guessing it's different in Europe.
Hey yes in the UK up until recently most cities had 100% free chargers. So for my first year of ownership I barely paid anything to charge it. Unfortunately due to the cost of energy most of them do charge now.
I have just ordered a new Tesla. Not long until Rip-Off Britain will have us all paying the same price as fossil fuel. Make hay whilst the sun still (Partially) shines.
Having seen the increasing demand at public charging bays I think it’s highly irresponsible to leave your car charging whilst you go away to do other things. Yes it may only take 20-30 mins to do a weekly shop and the charge time is about the same but sometimes the car charge may be completed quicker or the shopping takes a little longer for whatever reason all the while someone’s waiting for the bay to become available. There’s videos of these frustrating scenes ppl experience all over social media. Yes it’s not ideal or a nice experience to have to sit there for that time but until the network becomes better it’s on all users to use the facilities fairly and with consideration for other users too. For those that have switched to EVs: can u remember how frustrating it was when someone at the petrol station would leave their car at the pump and start doing their shopping inside? Same concept!
Just to be clear. Your battery doesn’t like occasional charging, it needs to be plugged in at all times, even when not in use. It especially doesn’t like supercharging and that should only be done when absolutely necessary. Why are you not granny charging at home?
Hey Steven, the garden is too long, battery health is still really good on my car.. but moving soon, so next house is getting a Tesla charger put in right away
UA-camrs (might) not the best to talk about EV charging costs , They Promote EVs in return they get Free miles in form of referrals that includes 1000 miles , per each referral there's cases youtubers receiving free cars or hundreds of thousands free miles 🤔 . Its no surprise they will claim their vehicle operations are low or non Existent🤷🏻♀️ , sadly you might not be as lucky or have a Completely different experience 🤦🏻♂️ . Great review by the way , Great EV Channel 👍🏻
I have no doubt you ca manage without a home charger. Most people don't want to even think about their car in daily life. Let alone plan their life around charging their car.
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Most people charge at home so it’s charging when they sleep and you wake up with a full tank. In terms of a road trip to the car does it for you, you don’t need to do any searching and by the time you’ve had a toilet stop and coffee the car is full
Why on earth would anyone with a driveway NOT want to do most - not none - of their charging at home overnight off-peak? Is he yet another fully paid-up servant of the anti-home-charging, public charge-point industry / mafiosi or what?
Ermmm, I don't have a driveway, thats the point. The car is parked on a public street in this video. And of course, if you have drive way, charge at home its the best way.
Appreciated hearing how you have dealt with charging and its potential issues.
Thanks so much
I've just checked,
The BEV chargers which were free and then 25p per kWh are now 87p per kWh!
Instavolt which was 55p per kWh is now 85p per kWh!
The long and short of it is if you can charge at home, great! Overnight off peak for 7p per kWh
If you can't and you have no option at work, then you are stuck paying a minimum of around 50p per kWh now on the public network.
Yes the prices are crazy now
Crazy! I live in France, and I pay at Superchargers between 30 and 40 euro cents per kWh, depending on location and time of day.
Other brands can also charge at Tesla Superchargers... I believe at the same cost, provided they pay some relatively modest monthly fee.
What do you pay at Tesla Superchargers in the UK? 85p/kWh is a total rip-off!
Another great video Mark!
I myself have had my ID.3 for a year next month and also purchased without having a home charger as I live in a flat. With public charging at the start it was amazing as it felt as if there were very little EV's on the road.. however almost 12 months on and there are vastly more on the road however this doesn't annoy me or hasn't put me off in any way as I've just adapted to know what chargers are generally less busy than others in my area and utilise the free charging at work whenever I'm in the office.
Personally I still recommend people get an EV even if they're unable to charge at home but this is just me!
Good points Gav and thanks for the comments! Yes I agree it hasn’t put me off yet either
If you have charging at work, that is just as good as charging at home. That is just a no brainer and not really a challenge to own an EV. I would like to find out from someone who has neither.
for home you can, just roll out a extended cable from window. I tried on my friends car, was gringe doing it from first floor, but imagine 3-5th floor, cable hanging out etc.
6 months of electric driving and have been using only the granny charger whilst I sleep every night, it's slow but the car is parked anyway, so 80% everyday.
Hey Robi, oh that's great, how much % do you get overnight? Any issues with overheating etc on the plug?
@@MBrown no issues whatsoever, using a 10 metre cable through the window. Very crude but it works, daily drive uses up about 20-30% easy to to up in 6 hours. Schedule charge from midnight when it's dirt cheap.
Great video Mark. This is particularly useful for those of us in the US, where the public charging network (other than superchargers) is still weak. It’s why I installed a home charger. Thanks!
Thanks Louis, yes I’ve heard you don’t have a lot of public chargers in the US, is that changing? We have a lot on the U.K.
@@MBrown It’s changing slowly. But it does make owning a Tesla the best choice for many people given the breadth and reliability of the supercharging network.
@@MBrown They're fairly plentiful, especially Level 2, but whether they _work_ on a given day is another story. The reliability is shockingly bad. Plugshare can often tell you, but not always. If I did not have access to Superchargers, I would be very hesitant to plan a long trip in an EV with the state of things. If I did, I'd be prepared to fall back to Level 2 and spend a few hours hanging out.
Another major gripe is that they usually require app-based payment, each network has its own, and you're frequently unable to charge because the app is broken. Installing an app and creating an account is a hassle even when it works. Dear charge-point operators: nobody wants this. Please just install card readers.
Hi there Mark.Yes i'm a Tesla owner now [6 weeks ago] So far I've done a trip to N Wales with no problems as I researched this over and over again and it was fine even destination charger.
Local chargers to me in London are fine at the moment with a cluster around where I live another research item.So all in all thanks for the video and other videos with great advice and delivered in a friendly and useful way without any nonsense.Thank you so much.
Thanks so much really appreciate it! Glad you’re getting on well with your Tesla too!
But London has the highest density of chargers, why is it even a challenge? Think about people who live in other cities/towns.
I’m so 😊😅😅😅😊
I lived without a dedicated home charger for 2 months before getting one. Just takes planning and it's really about how much you drive every week.
hey Kaby yes it sure is possible! we have a lot of local chargers so it’s not too much of a problem for me either.
Love your car colour and interior combo.
Thank you!
Great overview Mark. One little parking loophole is that if you’re going to be parking in a town centre, even if you don’t need to charge it’s often cheaper just to pay and charge, as many offer free parking whilst charging.
Yes thats a good tip!
@@MBrown You mention York which is a classic example. You can easily pay over £15 to park for 5hrs whereas it might cost 15p per kilowatt on a 7kw Pulse charger. If you’re parking/charging regularly could save yourself a ton if you set the car to charge at a slower rate.
Have had my tesla model 3lr since March 2021 and loving it.
I don't do many miles at all and just use my local free supermarket charger. So far I have only used a super charger once but mainly use my granny charger overnight at cheap rate electricity. One thing I have noticed is if you bury your right foot on the juice pedal for a long period of time a 40 mile trip will use up more than 100 miles of battery.
Hey glad you’re enjoying your car and great you’re getting by with the free supermarket chargers
I look at the same way as a gas vehicle. No one has a fueling station at home.
Yes exactly!
Great point
Mark, enjoyed your video and seeing how others are dealing with charging their EV without having to install a system. We got an Ioniq 5 6 months ago and love it aolng with not having to visit gas stations weekly. We live in Los Angeles California in an apartment with a garage using the 120v outlet to charge and we pay an additional $25.00 a month for it. We charge the car 3 to 4 times a week and it is working out great for us. We don't have far to go for work so charging during the week builds it up for our weekend adventures. We have free charging from Electrify America for another 18 months and will us it when needed.
Thanks so much Ray, really appreciate it. Yes its amazing how much you can pull out of those chargers
$25/month for a garage is a smoking deal; I can't imagine anyone _not_ opting for that! I have a little storage unit in front of my parking space and the previous tenant may or may not have tapped into the overhead lighting (allegedly)...I'm really tempted to run a cord so I could at least get Level-1 charging, but I'd likely run afoul of the property manager soon enough. I generally rely on free charging at work, and if not for that an EV really would not make sense for me.
I sometimes use the 3 pin plug option at home. That is better than trying to find a vacant charger.
Sadly not all areas are like yours that have chargers that aren’t always in use.
Adding just a outside weatherproof socket would be a good thing, if you don’t need a home charging point installed.
Hey yeah around my parents is pretty bad for public charging too
@@MBrown i commented only to give my view and I still liked the video.
@@anoone1812 Really appreciate the comments thank you. I was maybe thinking of getting a good extension lead and getting a waterproof socket, thanks
@@MBrown did you ever get an extension lead ? many out there and are allot thicker than the standard extension reels.
@@MarkdonnaP2 Hey Mark, yes I did! Got a couple of bits: ua-cam.com/video/-LtkUXGBQxc/v-deo.html
I got a home charger in 2010 when I got the 2010 Tesla Roadster. In 2014 I upgraded the charger when I got the 2015 Tesla Model S and after buying the 2013 Chevrolet Volt. In 2015 I also got a Nissan Leaf. Then in 2023 I got a Tesla Model Y. I just realized how little I've used the home charger since 2010. Just about always I end up charging for free at work. Nice to have the home charger as a backup. But it just sits there almost completely unused.
Yeah I agree I’ve only used mine twice
Excellent video. Basically, for those who can’t (or don’t want to) install a home charger but are considering an EV - do your due diligence. It very may be doable. It’s great to know it’s worked for you!
Thanks Ernest, yes 100% people should check first
Just a bit of info for you.. don't know which bit of Norwich you visit but there is now open a new Gridserve site near the postwick Park and ride just off the A47.. separate tesla chargers on site..
Hey Paul, oh yes I want to visit that one next time I'm back!
Where I live (outskirts of London) there are several large supermarkets and stores nearby with big car parks. None of them have ev charging, nor do they look like getting it any time soon.
Oh really! Sometimes they are hidden around the corners, try using ZapMap App to find all the ones near your house
Ive had a 2019 SR+ without a home charger since Dec 2019. I use mainly free Tesco podpoint chargers to top up or i can use a 22Kw Vend electric charger 5 mins down the road at a cost of 15p per Kwh which is significantly cheaper than my home
With supermarket chargers are they not limited to 7kwh and 3 hours in their car park? So you can only top up 21 kwh but that's 3 hours of your life sat in the car waiting.
@@harrytrueman4216 Yes your correct, fortunately for me my local supermarket has the podpoint trio, 2x 7kwh, 2x 22kwh and 50kwh rapid. I mainly try to top when battery level around 45-50%. So using the free 22kwh charger only takes around 1hr 30mins to top up back to 85-90% so I spend 45mins to 1 hr shopping in store then the rest sitting in car. Only need to do that once or twice a week
@@mucky2hot I suppose you have to strategise
Wow that’s some great prices!
I sometimes do this if I can have a coffee and catch up on some work
An alternative option would be to charge your Tesla Model Y at work. Although I cannot charge it at home presently, I take advantage of the free charging stations provided by my workplace.
Yeah thats great if you can do that!
We've now owned a VW ID.4 since a little more than half a year, living in Germany. We also do not have a home charger since we live in an apartment without private parking, however we do have a lot of public chargers nearby, which are free most of the time. It isn't particularly cheap to charge there. Charging is not an issue for us though.
Bear in mind Mark, the inconsistency of the price of electricity for charging your car. VAT is charged at 5% for electricity to the home whereas it’s charged at 20% for electricity from public chargers.
Hey yes very good point! 👍👍
Great video Mark. Went to the Ferrybridge supercharger for the first time this weekend and that’s it 47 ppkwh.
Thanks Andrew!
Mark, 5 mins walk from me is Tesco with 4 Pod Point chargers and I can guarantee there is always 2 tesla's charging, I would recommend if you can have a wall charger fitted do it. I charge my Kona every 10 days and don't miss the petrol station prices.
Hey Brian that’s great, yeah I would love to have home charging! Maybe in the next house
Good video and some good points, i also see a lot of issues where 3rd party chargers are either not working or are full, so glad i have the Tesla and Superchargers, although when they allow other non Tesla vehicles to charge i fear the worst.........i do have a home charger but take the challenge every week to get free charges on my travels, i have 1 50kw charger 7 miles from me that is very volatile (but free), some days it works others it has a massive line waiting for the free charge so i go home plug in and take the hit to my bank balance..overall i cant complain and i do usually 400-500 miles a week for free (i have a 7kw charger at work and i charge overnight when others are at home as i stay away) although through the day it again is first come first served. i also used to use the one at Bents Garden centre that i recognise from your videos but again getting more popular..... also i do now see a lot of high value - 40 - 50p PKW chargers not populated as others also look for the free ones, Falkirk FC stadium has loads of fast chargers that were free to use before and always used, now you have to pay and they are 90% empty all of the time.....what a waste.
Thanks Stuart yes 3rd party chargers not working is a big pain to be honest!
Oh yes bents is a good one, used to use that, but everytime I go now it's being used, usually by a Hybrid with 23 mile range haha!
Hi Mark we not got a Tesla but nearly a year no home charger and cost only £3.28 to get home from Scotland to Kent 12000 plus miles now good video
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If I still lived in UK, would be very useful!! Thanks for your efforts - I don’t know about where you live, but here in Málaga, there are more & more Teslas!!
Thanks so much! Are there a lot of chargers in Malaga?
In Southern CA where I live, as EV's become a dime-a-dozen I am seeing an increasing number of businesses install free chargers to draw in customers. I hope this trend continues, and I hope that people using one will go in and buy something in order to incentivize businesses to continue/expand the practice. It could really be a win-win, as the business potentially gets a captive customer (especially if it's somewhere nice to sit).
I see waiting lines at electrify America too. Is it really practical to own ev in southern call without home charger in your opinion?
@@UA-camuseritis No. I would not advise someone to buy an EV if they would be completely dependent on public charging (in other words, no ability to charge at home or at work). It's _doable_ with a Tesla, because of the density and reliability of Superchargers, but it's still going to be somewhat of an inconvenience (largely depending on how much you drive) and you may not end up saving all that much money over gas, compared to an efficient hybrid.
If you would be dependent on EA or any other network, God help you. It's honestly dismal. A typical Supercharger site has anywhere from 10-40 stalls, and the vast majority of the time they _all work_ (or you _might_ have one or two down). Typical EA station has 4 DCFC stalls _max_ and the majority of the time _at least_ one of them will be derated or down.
I am thinking of getting i3 with range extender 🙂
@@UA-camuseritis Not to be a jerk, but...why? You can get a Model 3 for the same (or less) money and it's a far superior car. Even if you can't stand to own a Tesla due to the Musk factor (which is totally valid) there are better options out there.
So, this is my 12,286 miles from August 2018 until August 2021. With being retired and covid, it’s dropped dramatically. A 2011 Audi S3 using V-Power fuel and now it’s on E10 fuel as the other cost is stupid.
Drum roll please………… £2989! Yep, I keep a total record of my petrol costs, every single one of them since 2014.
So, I think you’ve done well Mark! 😂🤦🏻♂️
I appreciate the info and costs as I will never be able to home charge either due to house position.
I’d be doing most of my charging on a nearby Tesla supercharger TBH, so costs would be more. Be interesting how battery longevity is just doing that as well.
Anyway, it’s a bit of a dream. Thx 🙏🏻
Thanks so much! Wow that is expensive!! Yeah superchargers are a lot more some this weekend were 50pkwh which is quite expensive
I'm very seriously considering an EV, and i can't gome charge (terrace house). But there's lots of public chargers near me (all carpark based) and walking distance, so could easily leave it charging for a few hours. Most are bp chargemaster as well, which seem to be priced the best with the subscription.
Hey that's great, yes I didn't have a home charger for three years and got along okay, I would recommend using the Tesla charges as they are one of the cheaper ones. I think the BP charge Masters are quite expensive.
@MBrown forget to mention it won't be a Tesla 😂 probably an i3
I’m about to purchase a Telsa model 3 so I’m about watch some Telsa owner videos
Cheers Joshua glad this helped
Great video Mark.
Glad you enjoyed it
Loving how informative your videos are and how you edit your video together! A good mix of b roll. Glad to see a video about the Tesla car actually have some focus on the car rather than the person talking to the camera the whole time. Am soaking up all the information you presented here but suspect I will have to rewatch this video once the Shanghai factory delivers my car…….in 9 - 12 months time. 😔 A fan all the way from New Zealand. 🇳🇿
Thanks so much Jeremy, really appreciate it! Good luck with your Tesla, you're gonna love it!
The public chargers you find in a supermarket car park, aren’t they piddly slow ones? And I’d guesstimate most people are in and out within 30mins, how much charge are you likely to gain??
yeah they are the 7kwh ones, we have some in the city you can leave for 4 hours, so I get about a 50% charge in that time.
Hey mate, I know Yarmouth well and I also know that Gonzo’s Tea Room. Born and raised in Norwich and I visit quIte a lot again these days. I love Norfolk? Make sure to pick up those chocolates for the GF (essential mate).
Hey thanks, yeah its a great place isn't it, I always look forward to going back! Been visiting more of North Norfolk too recently
I lived "without" an electric car for a year and I love it. In fact for 35 years since I been driving and I wouldn't have it any other way. Happy days. 🙂
Hi Mark, thanks for your informative video. I just got a MY 2 weeks ago, no home charging as well like you. Are you still getting free charging. I have beev just down the same street which costs 49p now. Did a charge from 40% to 90% and it costs £20. I'm also living in Manchester but couldnt find free charging. Any tips? Or any hints on where youre charging for free? Thanks!
Hey really sorry but it seems like all the free charging has gone now... such a shame!
What do you do when unexpected things happen though Mark, like having a extra drive to the dentist or doctor unexpected, then you rely on super chargers too get a quick top up?
Hey Roy to be honest I try and charge the car when it falls to about 30-40% so I’ve always got around 100-150 miles in the car so plenty to cover journeys like that 👍
Hey Mark, thanks so much for the video! I haven't seen any comments about this but I'm afraid that if I charge in public chargers, which most have DC chargers, this might affect the battery life in the long term. I read that using too much superchargers and DC chargers may lower it. I'd appreciate it if you answered this: with you charging in public chargers, how has this affected the battery life of your Tesla in that year that you've owned it? Thanks so much in advance!
Hey Ivan thanks for the comment. So yes I’ve heard fast charging can degrade the battery faster… however not by a lot so I wouldn’t worry too much. I try to use the slower public charging when I can 👍
Weird that a remote dwelling that already has electricity to it shouldn't get a BEV...why not just plug it into a regular three-pin socket? If the dwelling has electricity running to it, it would be worth investigating the cost of adding another dryer outlet. Doing the electrical upgrade may cost less than six months of fuel, nine months of fuel, 24 months of fuel (you get the idea), and then is there forever. A one-time cost of who knows how much might be preferable to the ongoing cost of fuel and maintenance of an ICEr.
Hey Adam, so locally the public charging was either free or pretty cheap. The cost for putting in a charger was around £1000 with the work needed to dig the garden. I could use an extension lead but it’s so slow to charge that way I’ve been good just using all the public chargers
Hey Adam, wiring refs are very different in the U.K. we have 240 volt instead of 120, so we run dryers on a normal circuit. Most people not using a dedicated charger but not wanting to trickle charge would fit a 32amp ‘commando’ socket. Still requires a qualified electrician to fit.
Very helpful. Thank you 😊
You’re welcome 😊
Should those outlets be getting wet from rain & snow?
They should be water resistant, however, I think it’s best to protect it if you can
Interesting see EV/Tesla ownership from the other side as I myself have a drive and home charging. I still however get some free public charging in when I go shoppers. I have also seen these getting busier of time as I myself have also owned my M3 since March 21.
Thanks Tony! Yes I came back from Cornwall today and the chargers were full every time
My company pays for my whole electric bill at home! And it’s still way less than if I turned in fuel receipts for the amount of driving I do. (Sales)
Hey Al that's great to hear!
Most people live less than 30 miles from work. Recharge 2 or 3 times a week. Not that big a deal.
Hey Bryan yes I live a round 20 mile trip and charge once a week with a public charger, does me fine!
What's the charging cost in Sept 2024?
It’s about £15 for home charging and £20-£40 public on average
2:20 ...what on earth is a "free charger"?? There's no way you're charging your Tesla for free. Btw I'm from the US so I'm guessing it's different in Europe.
Hey yes in the UK up until recently most cities had 100% free chargers. So for my first year of ownership I barely paid anything to charge it. Unfortunately due to the cost of energy most of them do charge now.
I've sort of got my head around the charging and range bit. What about insurance costs compared to a comparable ICE vehicle?
Hey Warren I’ve got a video about the insurance side on the channel. It’s a lot more expensive but I found insurers like Churchill to be much cheaper
@@MBrown thanks Mark, I must have missed that one.
Has your battery suffered any battery degradation by using public and superchargers.
Hey no I don't think so, I've not ran any official tests, but have almost the same range as when the car was new
Hello Mark, with some charging stations now charging a pound per KW, how much is it costing you now as you do not have gone charging?
Hey Bob yeah it’s tripled pretty much! 😭
@@MBrown so will you be installing a charger? I know it's expensive for your situation but the energy will be cheaper. Swings and rounda bouts
@@bobjohn3108 no I won’t be at the moment, can still get some free charging nearby at the moment 👍
If you drive at least 20 mile / day with no home charger it will be easy ?
Yeah that would be nice and easy. It's pretty much what I do
I have just ordered a new Tesla. Not long until Rip-Off Britain will have us all paying the same price as fossil fuel. Make hay whilst the sun still (Partially) shines.
Hope not, but it seems to be going that way. I'm getting some solar next to protect against the long term prices rises I think
Great video and enjoyable.
Thanks Seany
Having seen the increasing demand at public charging bays I think it’s highly irresponsible to leave your car charging whilst you go away to do other things. Yes it may only take 20-30 mins to do a weekly shop and the charge time is about the same but sometimes the car charge may be completed quicker or the shopping takes a little longer for whatever reason all the while someone’s waiting for the bay to become available. There’s videos of these frustrating scenes ppl experience all over social media. Yes it’s not ideal or a nice experience to have to sit there for that time but until the network becomes better it’s on all users to use the facilities fairly and with consideration for other users too. For those that have switched to EVs: can u remember how frustrating it was when someone at the petrol station would leave their car at the pump and start doing their shopping inside? Same concept!
It depends what speed the charger is. If its a rapid for sure only takes 30 mins, but the 7KW are designed so you can leave it there all day
Just to be clear. Your battery doesn’t like occasional charging, it needs to be plugged in at all times, even when not in use. It especially doesn’t like supercharging and that should only be done when absolutely necessary. Why are you not granny charging at home?
Hey Steven, the garden is too long, battery health is still really good on my car.. but moving soon, so next house is getting a Tesla charger put in right away
@@MBrown 👍🏼
what is a Ques?
Ques? Not sure?
@@MBrownone of your captions. Think you mean queue?
What year is your model 3
it’s a 2021
UA-camrs (might) not the best to talk about EV charging costs , They Promote EVs in return they get Free miles in form of referrals that includes 1000 miles , per each referral there's cases youtubers receiving free cars or hundreds of thousands free miles 🤔
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Its no surprise they will claim their vehicle operations are low or non Existent🤷🏻♀️ , sadly you might not be as lucky or have a Completely different experience 🤦🏻♂️
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Great review by the way , Great EV Channel 👍🏻
I have no doubt you ca manage without a home charger. Most people don't want to even think about their car in daily life. Let alone plan their life around charging their car.
So, you've got an expensive EV and free electric into the bargain, while some of us are still
paying hyped prices for petrol !
this video didn't age well. 85ppkw everywhere now. public charging is 3 times the cost of the equivelent diesel car
Hey Steve it's only really instavolt which is that much, most are £0.30 - £0.60 these days. So a full charge (0-100%) is about £20-£42
Would be great if I had a chance to lease one
Thanks Claudio and good luck
*HERE IS REAL NEWS - In Canada Tesla increases prices for all Model S, 3, X and Y variants in Canada!! Also the Model 3 LR will come with the old style headlights not the NEW MATRIX!! What a rip off!!*
Yeah that is bad about the headlights!
Can u imagine the time wasted finding, charging, and waiting for your car to charge.
Most people charge at home so it’s charging when they sleep and you wake up with a full tank.
In terms of a road trip to the car does it for you, you don’t need to do any searching and by the time you’ve had a toilet stop and coffee the car is full
With many new EV's, the locations of chargers are already programmed into the satnav......
You chat some wobble, no way it’s that’s cheap!
It was in 2022 when I posted the video… basically double the prices from
This video
Next time please don't play music in the back round at all. Very distracting. Very unprofessional.
Hey Richard, I just try to make the video a little more interesting. No music in the latest video 👍
Why on earth would anyone with a driveway NOT want to do most - not none - of their charging at home overnight off-peak? Is he yet another fully paid-up servant of the anti-home-charging, public charge-point industry / mafiosi or what?
Ermmm, I don't have a driveway, thats the point. The car is parked on a public street in this video. And of course, if you have drive way, charge at home its the best way.
Hi Mark we not got a Tesla but nearly a year no home charger and cost only £3.28 to get home from Scotland to Kent 12000 plus miles now good video
Hey thats great news! Can’t beat that!