@@hmq9052 ferment..... Foment To apply a warm lotion to; to bathe with a cloth or sponge wet with warm water or medicated liquid. (obsolete) To cherish with heat; to foster. To nurse to life or activity; to cherish and promote by excitements; to encourage; to abet; to instigate; -- used often in a bad sense. to foment ill humors
Ken said Mrs Thatcher had to take some tough decisions to reinstate a sense of belonging and obligation...he didn't mention the huge swathes of the country where communities were left with a hopeless lack of purpose and almost perpetual unemployment after the Tories destroyed their native industries, which even after 40 years still impacts peoples lives, hardly the beacon of hope we need now.
Always one that blames Thatcher 😂 A proper meme at this point! Imagine blaming Thatcher that you just smashed up a Greggs Bakery in 2024 😂 couldn't make it up
plump, rich, affluent, public school millionaire talks on behave of working class people who he has spent ZERO time with in his entire privileged life..... This is so cringe!
@armondtanz Ken is from a lower middle class coal mining background and won a scholarship to a Nottinghamshire grammar school before entering Cambridge where he studied economics and then law. He was a latecomer to Thatcher's cabinet because of his relatively liberal "wet" leanings, except on economic policy.
Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. We have poverty in a world of plenty, this creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people. At it's worst it produced Hitler's Germany
@@MikeMfromUK Exactly, how is gutting a citizens advise centre, a community centre and looting shops demonstrating anything but mindless violence, this pretence that they have some political excuse is just that a pretence.
@@gregorysurovoi3968how can you get a girlfriend or boyfriend when everywhere you go are people who look very different than you want your partner to look like? It’s your lineage being stolen from you
Who created that underclass Ken? Who made them angry Ken? Are you going to take responsibility for the rhetoric coming out of the Tory party and its client media for the past 20 years or pretend it's all someone else's fault? Ken Clarke appears to have to self awareness of a ferret. Maybe that's unfair to ferrets, if so I apologize.
Ahhh yes because the correct approach should have been to ignore peoples concerns completely and deny theres any issues with mass migration 😂 the reason people feel so angry is because the democratic process has failed them for 14 years, the tories had a historic majority to deliver migration controls, they failed and now immigration is the highest its ever been. What else can people do if the democratic process ignores and fails them?
I agree with everything you said - except that the destruction of everywhere outside of London started with Ken Clark's glorious Thatcher government in '79.
There really is. You can vote for something the upper class, agree to give you. Then they tell you they are not doing it. Because they are the upper class.
So is there a hierarchy of police injury - ie police women being assaulted in the line of duty being more unacceptable than male officers. Is there a pay discrepancy in line with this gender discrepancy?
I think we need a deeper analysis than "angry underclass" which is on a par with "far right thugs". Simplistic categorisation will not produce solutions.
Both are not an analysis. They have no explanatory power whatsoever They are there to marginalize them, to brand them as being outside the group and then, afterwards, you get down on them with the full weight of the law. Is somebody from the underclass subhuman or is that just coincidence?
Kenneth Clarke served as a minister in the very government that helped create some of the divisions we are now seeing in our unhappy, fractured nation, where often desperate, directionless people are prey to demagogues and thugs, who undoubtedly deserve locking up for lengthy jail terms. Nevertheless, the situation isn't as simplistic as the BBC, for one, would have us believe. Destroying our industrial base and replacing solid, skilled, well-paid jobs with insecure, poorly paid, often zero-hours contracted work was never going to end well. Clarke is correct that many of these people feel that they don't belong to anybody or anything, yet that anomie, that sense of purposelessness, is the result of decades of neglect by eatablishment politicians, as represented by Kenneth Clarke. The Thatcher government is by no means solely to blame; Blair''s government used very high levels of immigration to dampen down wages and conditions, rather in the way that Thatcher used unemployment. The despicable thugs on the far-Right are by no means the only group that's been playing with fire over the previous decades.
Your content is great. I suggest breaking it into paragraphs so it's not a Wall Of Text. Regarding Immigration, it's also governments of origin countries are keeping wages down for the benefit of 1st world countries. UK & USA both actively fuel wars for control of resources & refugees are a by product of that. I'm perpetually in insecure housing but I will never blame a refugee for being homeless when it's my government that is running a Protection Racket for Landlords instead of building public housing.
Our staple manufacturing industries were all outsourced to poor 3rd World countries, when they can pay the workers 50p/hour with a bonus of an extra bowl of rice. It's globalisation, and the politicians have never had an adequate response to it
@@chiccabay9911because our towns were already run down and sold off to people outside of this country and our community’s torn apart for councils projects not even thinking about our kids or families just money. So the way we see it is that it’s already torn down and broken what’s the bother if you break it more ? Our taxes have been paying for our broken communities for years and they have just been getting more and more broken thanks to corrupt councils.
Can you blame them, they've voted for reduced migration for 14 years only for it to be outright ignored, even a historic majority couldn't get then what they wanted using the democratic process. They have every reason to be angry
@@lewis123417 Most brexiteers had an issue with darker peoples and thought brexit was the answer.. They got brexit, which stopped their european cousins from entering. Because of brexit, we got a trade deal with india, which includes indian immigration to the uk. I'm sure it's a similar case with other trade deals since brexit. In order to fill the need for jobs in the uk, the people will have to come from somewhere, and unfortunately since brexit, there won't be many from europe.
@@pershaankhan1662Most Brexiteers had an issue with people with a darker colour? What utter nonsense. You’re talking about 17.2 million people. Many of them had a problem with immigration. It’s remainers and their sympathisers who clearly preferred white European immigrants to immigrants from the rest of the world. As your comment implies with by saying unfortunately many won’t be coming from Europe. As for Indisns since you mention them they do t seem to cause many problems at all and few people consequently have any problem with them.
They thought it was a solid triangle. First there was Leeds anti-British rioting, and then Manchester airport and the protesting that followed it (which the second video leak revealed as anti-British), and then there was the misinformation regarding who the Southport killer was. The apparent triangle satisfied their greatest fears and complaints, and by the time the truth came out, they'd already cashed-in the righteous violence they'd been dreaming of for decades.
"They (the rioters) tend to focus on being very anti-immigrant and being very racist" Aye alright Ken, and I suppose you wouldn't have the faintest idea about why that is.
@@hmq9052 no, they're not thick, they simply don't think we have a right view on the world. for example brexit. once the result had come in people like this straight away started talking about having another referendum so we can return the "right" result.
@@aethellstan You're for free speech I assume? So he can say what he likes. The uncomfortable truth (for you) is that you got Brexit. Despite your insistence that the establishment wouldn't deliver it. What you hadn't bargained on was the reality of Brexit. Less cooperation with France = more illegal immigration. Less inward investment = everyone is poorer. Tariffs on trade = more business running a loss. But, and this is the real kicker. We still need immigration to make the country work. The reason people are angry is because they don't understand things.
It's not just an underclass. Many people further up the social scale are furious about lack of action on uncontrolled immigration. Unless government starts to act problems will worsen.
@@petebondurant58 when Injustice has happened in the past at ought to be pointed out especially when it's done by the Savages from Europe who are so Christian just like you
If you only have 100 of thousands of public housing stock available but take 100 of thousands of people a year what happens to the people at the bottom of your society that keep getting pushed to the back of the q
This commentator is a quintessential example of the historical British notion of "hating its working class." After all, this is a country that set up workhouses for its poor. I don't agree with the violence and looting, but vilifying the working class is just as destructive.
Classism is still the king ism in the UK and the people from all backgrounds should remember that. If you go into the schemes in Scotland it's still ran by clan law.
The WC need to focus on educating themselves and learning to think for themselves instead of roaming around in tribes being obnoxious. The young men all need 2 yrs compulsory military or community service.
I have great respect for Ken, but he's speaking like YET ANOTHER OUT OF TOUCH politician. These derogatory comments on the working class show a snooty snobbishness. I'm 39, educated working class, earn 6 figures and am viscerally angry about the situation that they have created over the last decade. I would happily join a vigorous (non violent) protest about the state of illegal immigration into this country and I know millions of others would agree with this.
@@beaulieuc8910 you don't understand statistics do you? "More Likely" doesn't mean all the time every time. Generally, settled married people don't commit crime
There's always exceptions to the rule. it doesn't disprove the correlation between men with nothing to loose and thugery. Two things can be right at the same time.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. This problem has been building up for yrs. Weak policing over decades did not quell gang warfare, soccer hoolaganism, drug barons, mob violence and now racial orientated hate crimes. Last 5 very bad events have been caused by people who do not have british ethnicity. Multiculterism intergration failure and excessive immigration is at the root of these troubles. Times Radio no doubt would be the 1st to disagree.
Clarke was one of the last few decent Tories. The country would be in a much better place if he had been elected leader of the Tory Party rather than those who actually were.
He speaks like he gives a rousing jackanory-style speech to the nation everyday at 6 o'clock and is offended that people have left his flock to revert back to their animalistic state. Saying the protesters/rioters have no connection to their community is offensive, when it seem obvious that the actual disconect with community is flourishing in Westminster.
@@thesunreport Thats what happens when your main source of information is whats discussed after the fox hunts while sipping cognac with your other "upper class" chums in your gated community out in the country.
Everyone has a blind-spot. But that this single man has sympathy and understanding where the mass of the so-called "Liberal' establishment has nothing but hatred, vitriol and judgement, means that at least in one thing, he see's clearer than Keir Starmer. Starmer who see's anger and meets it with more anger. Rage with more rage. A man who see's a raging inferno of alienation and pours gasoline on it. (or petrol to Brit's) He's trying to appear strong and score points. Winning fights instead of friends. He's a failure of leadership. Day one. Hate only creates more hate. I shouldn't be surprised that Christian virtues are lost on an Atheist like Starmer. But he's also a fool.
Why are they rioting? I am missing something. Ken Clark talks about "rehabilitation" - he means education. Much of these rioters are frustrated from the last 14 years of losing their purpose - which many of them voted for at each turn.
@@paulbird3235 If that were true it would mean then that they were never our friends to begin with and that our friendship was based solely on our membership .
Sadly this government has the opportunity to really address the very real problems which are at the heart of grievances - excessive immigration. Labour are able to blame everything on the Tories (rightly or not), but they absolutely have to actually do something and not sidestep the issue. Keep calm and carry on just isn't going to cut it this time. I don't think that Starmer realises how close they could be to having their government collapse - governments never do.
UK government made tuition fees for the University 3 times higher! Salaries are often low, too, even if you have a degree. There are hardly any NHS dentists left in many cities. So, you are creating this underclass. In Denmark, for example, higher education is free and students are paid bursaries.
Denmark also has you pay to see a Dr. Which is poltical blasphemy and pretty much everyone works in the private sector. The state is tiny. The opposite of here
If we had a real left wing in this country we could get together and improve things for everyone. I'm afraid that these white booj mocking these people for being poor, substance addicted and 'uneducated' are just adding flames to the fire but its these white wealthy people who will be safe behind their gates
KC is correct to suggest that is a large group of very dissatisfied people in the UK prepared to cause trouble. But the actual numbers rioting are fairly small.
You are right. If these people had names like Mohmed and organised an invasion of a town. Smashing up church's police cars etc. WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT?
I don't think most of the rioters are politically motivated. Just disenfranchised people with no prospects. Grist to the mill of the politically motivated rabble rousers.
I’m not sure what you mean mate? are you saying that posh people used to hear why the working classes are upset and then say the reason is something else?
@@travelswithted673 No. Politicians and grown ups used to tell them to belt up and get a girlfriend. Take personal responsibility. Make yourself presentable to society. Contribute. Work hard. You don't get anything for nothing.
I don't think Ken Clarke is right about the rioters being "anti-establishment". I believe they feel the "establishment" has abandoned them, by ignoring or demonizing their inarticulate, but widely understood concerns. If these worries about immigration had been voiced by well educated, eloquent middle-class people, I bet the Government (past and present) would have at least entered into some kind of dialogue on the issue, rather than immediately labelling them as mindless racists. Personally, I don't agree with these rioters points of view, but I think the establishment is asking for trouble by writing off the many who haven't rioted, but hold a similar point of view on the issue, simply because it's an inconvenient "hot potato". Heavy handed policing, and deterrent sentencing may alleviate the immediate problem, but it's only going to entrench what Ken Clarke calls an anti-establishment stance.
Ken Clark etc don't want to do a damn thing to help them. They were just fine with the Daily Murdoch & even the BBC pretending that immigrants were the real issue. So all he has is wringing his hands about how awful the rioters & rioting is & pretending it's got nothing to do with him. If Ken Clark were serious, he would be calling for rebuilding the Welfare State so when capitalism makes people unemployed, they have a safety net. The water, power and rail have all been privatised, supposedly to make it more efficient (less jobs) & then they have the hide to pretend unemployment has nothing to do with them. Government should renationalise these failing companies through a series of massive fines & start running them for the good of the people. Productivity shouldn't mean profits for the owners & unemployment for the ones that did the work. The workers should have less working hours.
"Our betters", you must be joking, the so called "betters", they have caused this bloody mess over decades, they have no idea how angry people are. Everybody has a breaking point, and that is now very clear to see.😠
There should not be a blame culture. There is a problem with the way people are labeled. Let us try to direct people away from violence, and to focus on training them, and getting them jobs.
Blaming British people to not want immigrants in their country on racism is complete nonsense. Even you vote politicians and debate them they still look down at your opinions then talking immigrations and gender politics what works against WOMAN. You can really create a party but it`s impossible to be able to voted into parlament
I’ve noticed something very interesting from the videos of the disorder I’ve been watching. The hot heads are very aggressive towards the police, taunting them, raising arms in a fight stance, throwing all manner of missiles and fireworks, lighting fires. UNTIL the moment they are tackled, cuffed and arrested by officers. Then their entire demeanor changes as it dawns on them that they cannot act with impunity like their hero Tommy Robinson and will be spending quality time in chokey.
Mr Yaxley-Lennon currently has a warrant out and has spent time in jail. Rather than "acting with impunity" he'd contend he's positively victimised the poor lamb.
I don't think your analysis of the situation sheds any light on what can be done. Question. When the next awful atrocity occurs, and we won't have to wait long, how do you think the general public are going to react? And then the atrocity after that, then the next one. Can you see peoples anger dying down?
Figures from HoC debate Hansard June 27 2023 In 1987 net migration was just 2,000. By 1997, 10 years later, net migration was 47,000. Ten years later, under the stewardship of Mr Blair, net migration was 233,000. The rate of inflow between 1997 and 2010 equated to one migrant arriving every minute. Every year since 1997 bar one-when the world was locked down-net migration was often well in excess of 100,000. Indeed, net migration has averaged about 250,000 a year over the past two decades. Recent figures from the Office for National Statistics for the twelve months leading up to June 2023 record net migration of 606,000. I suspect there’s rather more to it than just an ‘underclass enjoying a good punch-up’.
I think the arrogance of the people calling the protestors / rioters "underclass" and diminish and conveniently reinterpret their grievances might well be part of the issue.
What exactly is the point of these gotcha Starmer questions? What do you think he's suppossed to do? First sensible asessment I've heard. Sorry Times Radio, you met somone who didn't fall for your blame agenda.
He could start treating everyone the same for a start. If you cause harm or damage in protests you face the consequences whatever the protests are about . But we know that for some causes that just does not happen. The next thing is to at least try to understand what these protests are really about. IE: Putting the country and ALL its citizens first, irrespective of class, race, or anything else, especially the desire to virtue signal on the so called "world stage" sending billions of pounds abroad as the population suffers from a government that appears to despise them. According to Ms Reeves, we simply can't afford to send so much abroad, so why are we doing just that?
@@paulpaisley5291Protect them from what? And how quickly is he meant to say he'll protect children from violence? He turned up the day after to lay flowers and pay his respects, and it kicked off just hours afterwards.
@shaunhw The reason he's mentioned the far right in his speeches on cracking down, is because probably over 90% of the recent violent disorder has been caused by the far right, or people who are listening to them. They are easily the biggest threat to the peace of the country, and they've made that obvious.
Kenneth Clarke demonstrates here exactly why voters longer trust or support politicians. He presents as a politician who is condescending and arrogant with a complete inability to face the truth. The truth is that many British absolutely reject the ideology of Islam and see if as a threat to our freedoms. They oppose immigration and see that as a threat to our way of life. A threat to our culture. Failure of politicians like him have caused this very situation as they impose ever more controls upon us rather than addressing the problems that result from ignoring the electorate. It's not racial hatred it's a rejection of political policy that does not reflect British principles.
Immigrants are not the problem provoking anger. It is MUSLIM immigrants who wont integrate that cause problems and governments for not enforcing integration.
Sorry, but you are totally out of touch with reality. "Not racial hatred" you say. Just looking at what has happened clearly shows racial hatred. Attacking, burning asylum places, attacking ethnic diverse places etc etc etc.... how the whole thuggery started was because a black British Christian kid killed three white girls. The far right love to legitimise their causes by saying one is genuinely concerned for example about mass immigration when in fact they want to go and attack... e.g. attack minority groups which fit their racial motivation of hatred. This level of hatred is very much present in today's society. Now, the far right wants to do harm. I really do not trust most people anymore who say they are concerned about immigration. In the back of my mind I'm thinking far right, racist and discrimination and low and behold I tend to be more right than wrong. I bet most of them don't know any asylum seekers or indeed immigrants.
I’ve spent some time looking through the immigration stats and they are troubling. Uncurbed, immigration - illegal and otherwise - is already causing, and will continue disrupt Britain. Those in the middle class can afford to remain cushioned from its effects for longer. But the numbers are growing exponentially. There is already an estimated 1.2 million illegals in England (the figure is likely to be higher). That’s the population of Leeds and Manchester combined in 2024. I’m listening to both sides of the argument and those marching seem to have legitimate concerns while those of the left are merely labelling these people, who are their neighbours, as racists and terrorists. Along with the government. Imagine the frustration of this demographic when their elected officials are failing to represent them. They have a legitimate reason to feel frustrated. But we need more shows on UA-cam with people having a discussion from both sides. Right now everyone’s existing in echo chambers.
Amen. The repercussions, risks, and backlash will only increase the more incompetent/corrupt/ideologically-unhinged elitists continue to fail their country. Globalistic parasites don’t have loyalty/patriotism, they don’t respect the sacrifice of previous generations or the importance of the citizenship social contract.
Calling them mindless is just a way of ignoring the politics of the situation and in Clarke's case ignoring that to avoid Conservative responsibility for the rise of the far right over the past decade.
Is that the same "angry Underclass" that brought us Brexit. They have got a lot to answer for in that case perhaps some will see the inside of a cell. They should all get criminal convictions (no EU or USA travel) and lets hope that those who are unemplyed are made to do community service with the threat of jail if they default. Totally unacceptable behavour and criminal.
Oh you mean the politician that betraid them? that "underdclass" that had hope that brexit would help against the onslaught of immigrants as promised? answer me that....
52% of voters in a referendum are not "an angry underclass". I'd be very surprised if half the folk chucking bricks have ever voted. The rioting is completely unacceptable, agreed, and unhelpful. However, there are far more folk echoing concerns about migration than just these knuckle-draggers. Attempting to sneer or dismiss those concerns, attempting to pretend there's no problem, will not work, and that attitude is what got us Brexit. The Remain campaign was awful because it was up on its high horse.
This is the Ken Clarke who actively promoted staying in Europe with open borders therefore letting in immigrants in vast numbers with no controls, the very thing which people are now protesting against.
Calling these men “looters” and “thugs” is crazy… they’re all dissatisfied with the way their country is being treated by its own government. We need order
You guys literally think you can convince the public that the police discriminate against white people and are lenient to black communities 😂😂😂 what a bunch of cretins
THATS THE BIG PROBLEM, WITH EVERY GOVERNMENT, THE PEOPLE ARE VIEWED AS THE UNDER CLASSED , WELL THIS UNDER CLASS WORMS ARE TURNING , YOU UNDERESTIMATE THEM , UNITED WE STAND
Look at the violent people, look at the bricks, don't look around, don't notice the boring people in the background, don't notice the peaceful protests, just look at the fire, look at the violent people, the dogs, horses, the hurt policeman, what a shame, but then what can you expect from the likes of them, right?....
@JoeyBloggs007……you are referring to the GB News and Live TV compères and producers, and the Rees-Moggs and Farages of this world , who have churned out their racist bile, which the “underclass” pawns have taken up leading to this violence.
Ken Clarke is partially responsible. He was part of a government which presided over mass deindustrialisation of the UK, disenfranchising the white working class and a refusal to tackle mass immigration(it's not just Labour).
Years ago men went to war and the 'underclass' were wiped out - I am the first in my family not to have gone to war in recorded history. Today not only are there no world wars on the scale of the past, but the 'technological age' is upon us with technology and AI beginning to be felt with automation and a lack of manual labour, particularly in the UK. No wonder the 'underclass' is revolting - in many ways there are protesting about the loss of their lives.
A man who has publicly stated in the past his dislike of tne working class and poor Clarke is like Hestletine, Starmer, Johnson patronising, hypocrites
Yes isn’t it amazing how if governments wilfully ignore the fact that about half of British people don’t want mass immigration they will tend to become upset and more right wing . Who would have thought it But xenophobes don’t actually cause problems. They’re just people who don’t really like foreigners. I don’t like religion. That’s not a problem.
Why did the police officer say “the rioters have greivances, people from outside of England taking their jobs, taking their wealth” - That is untrue - disappointing that he gave credence to the Far Right “population replacement” 1930s Germany type beliefs, ESPECIALLY since the riots were quite akin to the Krystallnacht orgamizedd burning of Jewish-owned businesses and Synagogues. The rioters like Brownshirts targeted and burned down Asian, Indian and Arab businesses and attacked Mosques. How this officer ignored the clear racist layer is disturbing but not surprising
Says man who was part of a government that have helped create and ferment this.
Nonsense. Clarke was one of the best politicians we've ever had
Foment. They're not making beer
Thatcher did this. A third of the country lives in overpriced substandard rented accomodation, leaving them impoverished.
@@hmq9052 ferment.....
Foment
To apply a warm lotion to; to bathe with a cloth or sponge wet with warm water or medicated liquid.
(obsolete) To cherish with heat; to foster.
To nurse to life or activity; to cherish and promote by excitements; to encourage; to abet; to instigate; -- used often in a bad sense.
to foment ill humors
@@stephenhill545 exactly! Not enough people are talking about this.
Ken said Mrs Thatcher had to take some tough decisions to reinstate a sense of belonging and obligation...he didn't mention the huge swathes of the country where communities were left with a hopeless lack of purpose and almost perpetual unemployment after the Tories destroyed their native industries, which even after 40 years still impacts peoples lives, hardly the beacon of hope we need now.
Always one that blames Thatcher 😂 A proper meme at this point! Imagine blaming Thatcher that you just smashed up a Greggs Bakery in 2024 😂 couldn't make it up
The main problem was being in Europe we followed their rules from coal transferred to Poland to vans being built in turkey
plump, rich, affluent, public school millionaire talks on behave of working class people who he has spent ZERO time with in his entire privileged life..... This is so cringe!
Yep, it's no coincidence that this is happening in many Northern towns and not the leafy South East.
@armondtanz Ken is from a lower middle class coal mining background and won a scholarship to a Nottinghamshire grammar school before entering Cambridge where he studied economics and then law. He was a latecomer to Thatcher's cabinet because of his relatively liberal "wet" leanings, except on economic policy.
Dearest Ken your political class caused this whole mess and you dont have a clue
Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. We have poverty in a world of plenty, this creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people. At it's worst it produced Hitler's Germany
How did Lord Clarke cause this mess?
@rohitballal5654 some of his friends did though
@@rohitballal5654 What did he do to stop the boats?
Wrong.
The misinformation from right wing nuts and right wing politicians stoked this nonsense.
Playing on r@cists.
Political and media class getting together on their favourite hobby, bashing the lower classes.
And what are you? The overclass?
There is no excuse for thugery
@@MikeMfromUK Exactly, how is gutting a citizens advise centre, a community centre and looting shops demonstrating anything but mindless violence, this pretence that they have some political excuse is just that a pretence.
Acquiring property to live in and a girlfriend are made more difficult by the quantity of immigrants let into the UK
@@gregorysurovoi3968how can you get a girlfriend or boyfriend when everywhere you go are people who look very different than you want your partner to look like? It’s your lineage being stolen from you
Who created that underclass Ken? Who made them angry Ken? Are you going to take responsibility for the rhetoric coming out of the Tory party and its client media for the past 20 years or pretend it's all someone else's fault? Ken Clarke appears to have to self awareness of a ferret. Maybe that's unfair to ferrets, if so I apologize.
Ahhh yes because the correct approach should have been to ignore peoples concerns completely and deny theres any issues with mass migration 😂 the reason people feel so angry is because the democratic process has failed them for 14 years, the tories had a historic majority to deliver migration controls, they failed and now immigration is the highest its ever been. What else can people do if the democratic process ignores and fails them?
To be fair, the peasantry have been around since the beginning. Changing the name doesn't change the situation... or the relationship.
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@@jgcelliott1 Are you trying to say that things weren't better before the Tories came into power? Before Brexit? Really?
I agree with everything you said - except that the destruction of everywhere outside of London started with Ken Clark's glorious Thatcher government in '79.
@@dub604he not saying that, but these are the same thugs who would have been in Mosleys black shirts.
When people have nothing, they have nothing left to lose.
That is terrifying and true.
Yeah true.
Nothing but expensive tattoos.
If you find yourself having "nothing" while living in one of the richest countries on the planet, it is safe to assume you have failed at life.
@@Puleczech ANOTHER BRAINDEAD
I hate that word Underclass there is no such thing. A typical Conservative nonsense talk.
I agree it’s insulting and disrespectful.
hools, fascists you have the choice
But there is still a monarchy in the UK, of course there are clssses, you are not royal, sir, lord etc
There really is. You can vote for something the upper class, agree to give you. Then they tell you they are not doing it. Because they are the upper class.
So is there a hierarchy of police injury - ie police women being assaulted in the line of duty being more unacceptable than male officers. Is there a pay discrepancy in line with this gender discrepancy?
I think we need a deeper analysis than "angry underclass" which is on a par with "far right thugs". Simplistic categorisation will not produce solutions.
I don't think they are looking for a solution,,,looting ,burning and attacking innocent people just pure violence
It's pretty accurate though.
Both are not an analysis. They have no explanatory power whatsoever They are there to marginalize them, to brand them as being outside the group and then, afterwards, you get down on them with the full weight of the law. Is somebody from the underclass subhuman or is that just coincidence?
Yep, if they were of a different color the words would be different. “Impoverished, underserved, vulnerable,,,,”
And they wonder why people “below” them get angry.
Kenneth Clarke served as a minister in the very government that helped create some of the divisions we are now seeing in our unhappy, fractured nation, where often desperate, directionless people are prey to demagogues and thugs, who undoubtedly deserve locking up for lengthy jail terms. Nevertheless, the situation isn't as simplistic as the BBC, for one, would have us believe. Destroying our industrial base and replacing solid, skilled, well-paid jobs with insecure, poorly paid, often zero-hours contracted work was never going to end well. Clarke is correct that many of these people feel that they don't belong to anybody or anything, yet that anomie, that sense of purposelessness, is the result of decades of neglect by eatablishment politicians, as represented by Kenneth Clarke. The Thatcher government is by no means solely to blame; Blair''s government used very high levels of immigration to dampen down wages and conditions, rather in the way that Thatcher used unemployment. The despicable thugs on the far-Right are by no means the only group that's been playing with fire over the previous decades.
Your content is great. I suggest breaking it into paragraphs so it's not a Wall Of Text.
Regarding Immigration, it's also governments of origin countries are keeping wages down for the benefit of 1st world countries. UK & USA both actively fuel wars for control of resources & refugees are a by product of that.
I'm perpetually in insecure housing but I will never blame a refugee for being homeless when it's my government that is running a Protection Racket for Landlords instead of building public housing.
It's not just the underclass who are angry.
Jeez the way Tories closed pits, steel works without replacing them... disgusting
Labour closed more pits in the 70's. The current Labour government intend to end oil and gas production which will leave 60,000 unemployed.
@@denzel270 ok and provision will be made for those affected unlike the Tories did in the 80s
Our staple manufacturing industries were all outsourced to poor 3rd World countries, when they can pay the workers 50p/hour with a bonus of an extra bowl of rice.
It's globalisation, and the politicians have never had an adequate response to it
Labour has already closed pits and oil wells. I worked at one of the UK`s biggest automated iron foundry and that went to German in 2006.
@@keithdonnelly8636 Really?
When everything is so expensive and people have no hope for the future this will only get worse
But what is the use of smashing up your own towns and ruining peoples businesses?That is just an own goal .
@@chiccabay9911exactly
@@chiccabay9911because our towns were already run down and sold off to people outside of this country and our community’s torn apart for councils projects not even thinking about our kids or families just money. So the way we see it is that it’s already torn down and broken what’s the bother if you break it more ? Our taxes have been paying for our broken communities for years and they have just been getting more and more broken thanks to corrupt councils.
Post-Brexit, the 'We want our country back' slogsn is still doing the rounds
Can you blame them, they've voted for reduced migration for 14 years only for it to be outright ignored, even a historic majority couldn't get then what they wanted using the democratic process. They have every reason to be angry
@@lewis123417hear hear
@@lewis123417
Most brexiteers had an issue with darker peoples and thought brexit was the answer.. They got brexit, which stopped their european cousins from entering.
Because of brexit, we got a trade deal with india, which includes indian immigration to the uk. I'm sure it's a similar case with other trade deals since brexit.
In order to fill the need for jobs in the uk, the people will have to come from somewhere, and unfortunately since brexit, there won't be many from europe.
@@pershaankhan1662Most Brexiteers had an issue with people with a darker colour? What utter nonsense. You’re talking about 17.2 million people. Many of them had a problem with immigration.
It’s remainers and their sympathisers who clearly preferred white European immigrants to immigrants from the rest of the world.
As your comment implies with by saying unfortunately many won’t be coming from Europe.
As for Indisns since you mention them they do t seem to cause many problems at all and few people consequently have any problem with them.
@@pershaankhan1662 everything you said shows you clearly don't have a clue
inequality and austerity? nothing to do with me, l'm cuddy Ken.
Awful man.
What does cuddy mean
I agree with Ken that politics or economics is not the cause. It is similar to p*** bashing of the 1960s.
Yes, the young girls who were murdered have been completely forgotten. These were just the excuse to instigate this violence.
agreed
Yes.
Can I ask. Have you any idea why the person who killed those 3 children and injured 8 others specifically targeted little vvhite girls? Any thoughts?
They thought it was a solid triangle. First there was Leeds anti-British rioting, and then Manchester airport and the protesting that followed it (which the second video leak revealed as anti-British), and then there was the misinformation regarding who the Southport killer was. The apparent triangle satisfied their greatest fears and complaints, and by the time the truth came out, they'd already cashed-in the righteous violence they'd been dreaming of for decades.
It was the touch paper. This has been building for decades. We’re a very broken society. My sympathies for the families of the dead and injured.
What happens when over a decades worth of democracy is ignored. When your vote no longer counts.....
Something like 30 million people voted. So clearly to answer you, how about go out and vote next time instead of whining.
@@YeahNoTellTheTruth That's not how a DECADES worth of consistent voting works mate. Read before bleating.
"They (the rioters) tend to focus on being very anti-immigrant and being very racist" Aye alright Ken, and I suppose you wouldn't have the faintest idea about why that is.
Because they're thick.
@@hmq9052 no, they're not thick, they simply don't think we have a right view on the world. for example brexit. once the result had come in people like this straight away started talking about having another referendum so we can return the "right" result.
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@@aethellstanthat’s a lot of words to say thick
@@aethellstan You're for free speech I assume? So he can say what he likes. The uncomfortable truth (for you) is that you got Brexit. Despite your insistence that the establishment wouldn't deliver it. What you hadn't bargained on was the reality of Brexit. Less cooperation with France = more illegal immigration. Less inward investment = everyone is poorer. Tariffs on trade = more business running a loss. But, and this is the real kicker. We still need immigration to make the country work. The reason people are angry is because they don't understand things.
It's not just an underclass. Many people further up the social scale are furious about lack of action on uncontrolled immigration. Unless government starts to act problems will worsen.
That's rich given England's history and to this day.
@@DAVIDSAWH No one should ever complain about anything, because bad things happened in the past. Brilliant.
@@petebondurant58 when Injustice has happened in the past at ought to be pointed out especially when it's done by the Savages from Europe who are so Christian just like you
Calling people “underclass” just goes to show how little you understand society
Under class what a disgusting inappropriate statement
They sure walk like a duck...
It is a term used in Sociology- to describe a social class of people who are poor.
Indeed. Imagine referring to any ethnic minority in the same way!
He has lived his posh life and is almost at the end of it.
@@CelticSaint the concept of class offends you? must be a student of marx.
If you only have 100 of thousands of public housing stock available but take 100 of thousands of people a year what happens to the people at the bottom of your society that keep getting pushed to the back of the q
This commentator is a quintessential example of the historical British notion of "hating its working class." After all, this is a country that set up workhouses for its poor. I don't agree with the violence and looting, but vilifying the working class is just as destructive.
Classism is still the king ism in the UK and the people from all backgrounds should remember that. If you go into the schemes in Scotland it's still ran by clan law.
The WC need to focus on educating themselves and learning to think for themselves instead of roaming around in tribes being obnoxious. The young men all need 2 yrs compulsory military or community service.
@@Ben-jq5oo What a moronic simplistic take.
Workhouses, they were a long time ago. I love History but this is ridiculous
Even Orwell wrote about the lefts hatred of the working class in his book 'The Road to Wigan Pier'. That was in the late 1920's.
No mention of the muslims stabbing 3 men in Stoke,and the police ignored it.the boil has burst,now we will see how it goes.
Checked. Full fact checker says no. Also Staffordshire police say no, not true. Go and see for yourself.
I have great respect for Ken, but he's speaking like YET ANOTHER OUT OF TOUCH politician. These derogatory comments on the working class show a snooty snobbishness. I'm 39, educated working class, earn 6 figures and am viscerally angry about the situation that they have created over the last decade.
I would happily join a vigorous (non violent) protest about the state of illegal immigration into this country and I know millions of others would agree with this.
No u R out of touch if u think it's ok to attack English police and English property
@@Transformers-oe5jj " I would happily join a vigorous (non violent) protest ........" did you actually read it?
"Educated working class" earning a six figure salary. 🤔🤫🤭🤨..............
@@Transformers-oe5jj gaslighting! That’s not what he said, thicko !
@@paulbird3235and?? What’s your point
Of course Keir is baffled, it's because he's completely detached from the real lives of people in this country.
also he mentioned girlfriends because men are less likely to commit a crime if they have partners and or children. it gives them somethignto lose
not always wayne couzens was married with kids, sometimes having wives and kids is a cover, ie rolf harris
@@beaulieuc8910 you don't understand statistics do you? "More Likely" doesn't mean all the time every time. Generally, settled married people don't commit crime
There's always exceptions to the rule. it doesn't disprove the correlation between men with nothing to loose and thugery. Two things can be right at the same time.
@@lewis123417 - You don't understand real life, do you?
@@lewis123417 and the statistics are that men are walking away from marriage and women in general.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. This problem has been building up for yrs. Weak policing over decades did not quell gang warfare, soccer hoolaganism, drug barons, mob violence and now racial orientated hate crimes.
Last 5 very bad events have been caused by people who do not have british ethnicity.
Multiculterism intergration failure and excessive immigration is at the root of these troubles.
Times Radio no doubt would be the 1st to disagree.
Nobody was asked if they wanted mass immigration.
That's how you know you don't live in a real democracy. The Elite it will do as they wish as they always have.
Oh, grow up
Any chance of expanding your logic on this question of immigration ?
This is nuts. Thatcher encouraged the decline of British society.
Clarke is one of the architects who designed the failing system in which we live. He is best to be avoided at all costs.
Clarke was one of the last few decent Tories. The country would be in a much better place if he had been elected leader of the Tory Party rather than those who actually were.
But, he is speaking common-sense.
He speaks like he gives a rousing jackanory-style speech to the nation everyday at 6 o'clock and is offended that people have left his flock to revert back to their animalistic state.
Saying the protesters/rioters have no connection to their community is offensive, when it seem obvious that the actual disconect with community is flourishing in Westminster.
@@thesunreport Thats what happens when your main source of information is whats discussed after the fox hunts while sipping cognac with your other "upper class" chums in your gated community out in the country.
Why underclass? Many educated people also don't want illegal immigration.
Ken lives in a bubble so he’s clueless when it comes to the issues felt by the general public
Everyone has a blind-spot. But that this single man has sympathy and understanding where the mass of the so-called "Liberal' establishment has nothing but hatred, vitriol and judgement, means that at least in one thing, he see's clearer than Keir Starmer. Starmer who see's anger and meets it with more anger. Rage with more rage. A man who see's a raging inferno of alienation and pours gasoline on it. (or petrol to Brit's) He's trying to appear strong and score points. Winning fights instead of friends. He's a failure of leadership. Day one. Hate only creates more hate. I shouldn't be surprised that Christian virtues are lost on an Atheist like Starmer. But he's also a fool.
Or a voice of reason from a time when the Conservative Party was a reasonable and sensible centre right party . It depends on your views .
All elite millionaire politicians are who caused the mess, only elin musk can seem to understand he's a rarity
Time to LISTEN to the people for a change
True contempt for the British lower classes.
If minorities were treated like this the country would be in flames.
Why are they rioting? I am missing something.
Ken Clark talks about "rehabilitation" - he means education.
Much of these rioters are frustrated from the last 14 years of losing their purpose - which many of them voted for at each turn.
The country is in flames.
It really doesn’t help the hot heads among the British lower classes when they show themselves the same contempt exhibited by others.
@@MariaGiannuzzi The fact that people are still talking about 'the lower classes' is an indication of everything that is wrong in this country.
look at the story of Nicola Wilcox
If it were a true underclass, it wouldn't be so well organized, with its specific targets, and lawyer lists.
What a shame for the UK. Britain's enemies are reveling at this discontent, I hope our ally in Europe gets it together.
These thugs are Britain's enemies
Dark times in Europe too.
I think our friends in Europe have deserted us, remember brexit!.
What allies in europe. Brexit remember that?
@@paulbird3235 If that were true it would mean then that they were never our friends to begin with and that our friendship was based solely on our membership .
Who woke the ghost of Christmas past for his opinion?
That's funny!
Sadly this government has the opportunity to really address the very real problems which are at the heart of grievances - excessive immigration. Labour are able to blame everything on the Tories (rightly or not), but they absolutely have to actually do something and not sidestep the issue. Keep calm and carry on just isn't going to cut it this time. I don't think that Starmer realises how close they could be to having their government collapse - governments never do.
He doesn't have a clue
He's a Boomer clown.
UK government made tuition fees for the University 3 times higher! Salaries are often low, too, even if you have a degree. There are hardly any NHS dentists left in many cities. So, you are creating this underclass. In Denmark, for example, higher education is free and students are paid bursaries.
Denmark also has you pay to see a Dr. Which is poltical blasphemy and pretty much everyone works in the private sector. The state is tiny. The opposite of here
there's too many middle classes and above doing very nicely from this current system
everyone below is suffering
If we had a real left wing in this country we could get together and improve things for everyone. I'm afraid that these white booj mocking these people for being poor, substance addicted and 'uneducated' are just adding flames to the fire but its these white wealthy people who will be safe behind their gates
Wonder who created them???
The welfare state
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Created by those funding their leader Tommy
The Z10
@@nickyd922 How about the trigger messaging on right wing media.
Tories just say it 😅
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KC is correct to suggest that is a large group of very dissatisfied people in the UK prepared to cause trouble. But the actual numbers rioting are fairly small.
Two tier policing will make it worse.
You are right. If these people had names like Mohmed and organised an invasion of a town. Smashing up church's police cars etc.
WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT?
That's what Ken Clare thinks of the British people they are the under class .
He did not say that. He pointed out many times that it is a small minority of people that have been let down by atrocious government.
How out of touch Ken Clark is.
Opinions vary
@@scooby1992 He gets as long as he likes to state his case. The rest of, zero. That's the difference. Sorry mate.
No he's not.
Tories describing racist riots as non-political is about as galling as it gets.
I don't think most of the rioters are politically motivated. Just disenfranchised people with no prospects. Grist to the mill of the politically motivated rabble rousers.
Where does he say that. He says this is no longer about what happened to those 3 girls.
For all you right wing snowflakes offended by Ken, this is how people used to speak.
100% people can't handle the truth. They rely on disinformation from uneducated state defectors funded by occupying regimes thousands of miles away.
I’m not sure what you mean mate? are you saying that posh people used to hear why the working classes are upset and then say the reason is something else?
@@travelswithted673 No. Politicians and grown ups used to tell them to belt up and get a girlfriend. Take personal responsibility. Make yourself presentable to society. Contribute. Work hard. You don't get anything for nothing.
Yep, if you don't want to be branded as something, don't take part in violence.
@@hmq9052what you in about again
I don't think Ken Clarke is right about the rioters being "anti-establishment". I believe they feel the "establishment" has abandoned them, by ignoring or demonizing their inarticulate, but widely understood concerns. If these worries about immigration had been voiced by well educated, eloquent middle-class people, I bet the Government (past and present) would have at least entered into some kind of dialogue on the issue, rather than immediately labelling them as mindless racists.
Personally, I don't agree with these rioters points of view, but I think the establishment is asking for trouble by writing off the many who haven't rioted, but hold a similar point of view on the issue, simply because it's an inconvenient "hot potato". Heavy handed policing, and deterrent sentencing may alleviate the immediate problem, but it's only going to entrench what Ken Clarke calls an anti-establishment stance.
Ken Clark etc don't want to do a damn thing to help them. They were just fine with the Daily Murdoch & even the BBC pretending that immigrants were the real issue. So all he has is wringing his hands about how awful the rioters & rioting is & pretending it's got nothing to do with him.
If Ken Clark were serious, he would be calling for rebuilding the Welfare State so when capitalism makes people unemployed, they have a safety net. The water, power and rail have all been privatised, supposedly to make it more efficient (less jobs) & then they have the hide to pretend unemployment has nothing to do with them. Government should renationalise these failing companies through a series of massive fines & start running them for the good of the people.
Productivity shouldn't mean profits for the owners & unemployment for the ones that did the work. The workers should have less working hours.
Yeah, a few underclass types out for a punch-up but these are mostly working people fed up with being mocked by their 'betters'.
...from the passenger seat of a passing lambo while they scrape through the gutters for dogends?
It is not a class war. It is a culture war. British against Islamists.
"Our betters", you must be joking, the so called "betters", they have caused this bloody mess over decades, they have no idea how angry people are. Everybody has a breaking point, and that is now very clear to see.😠
There should not be a blame culture. There is a problem with the way people are labeled. Let us try to direct people away from violence, and to focus on training them, and getting them jobs.
It’s austerity. These people have no investment in the society.
It's much deeper than austerity. The so called underclass is ignored, belittled and demonised. And this has been the case for decades.
Blaming British people to not want immigrants in their country on racism is complete nonsense. Even you vote politicians and debate them they still look down at your opinions then talking immigrations and gender politics what works against WOMAN. You can really create a party but it`s impossible to be able to voted into parlament
all media deriven tosh
It would be hard to come up with a more tone deaf, boneheaded analysis than Clarke just did.
UK is in terminal decline, this is only a symptom of that
I’ve noticed something very interesting from the videos of the disorder I’ve been watching. The hot heads are very aggressive towards the police, taunting them, raising arms in a fight stance, throwing all manner of missiles and fireworks, lighting fires. UNTIL the moment they are tackled, cuffed and arrested by officers. Then their entire demeanor changes as it dawns on them that they cannot act with impunity like their hero Tommy Robinson and will be spending quality time in chokey.
Mr Yaxley-Lennon currently has a warrant out and has spent time in jail. Rather than "acting with impunity" he'd contend he's positively victimised the poor lamb.
And that solves the underlying problem does it??
Correct. They cry for their mummies. Little boy incels.
Indeed, and crying for their mums event sent down
I don't think your analysis of the situation sheds any light on what can be done. Question. When the next awful atrocity occurs, and we won't have to wait long, how do you think the general public are going to react? And then the atrocity after that, then the next one. Can you see peoples anger dying down?
Figures from HoC debate Hansard June 27 2023
In 1987 net migration was just 2,000. By 1997, 10 years later, net migration was 47,000. Ten years later, under the stewardship of Mr Blair, net migration was 233,000. The rate of inflow between 1997 and 2010 equated to one migrant arriving every minute. Every year since 1997 bar one-when the world was locked down-net migration was often well in excess of 100,000. Indeed, net migration has averaged about 250,000 a year over the past two decades. Recent figures from the Office for National Statistics for the twelve months leading up to June 2023 record net migration of 606,000.
I suspect there’s rather more to it than just an ‘underclass enjoying a good punch-up’.
Far right reactionaries will use any excuse.
If only they had the same attitude when "immigrants" were rioting earlier, seems a bit unfair.
well right extremists waited until Labour is in power, and Nigel applauds
I think the arrogance of the people calling the protestors / rioters "underclass" and diminish and conveniently reinterpret their grievances might well be part of the issue.
What exactly is the point of these gotcha Starmer questions? What do you think he's suppossed to do? First sensible asessment I've heard. Sorry Times Radio, you met somone who didn't fall for your blame agenda.
He could have said he would protect the children. But he didn't. Why, he doesn't give a f about you.
@@paulpaisley5291 these rioters are not protecting anything. That’s a meaningless statement.
He could start treating everyone the same for a start. If you cause harm or damage in protests you face the consequences whatever the protests are about . But we know that for some causes that just does not happen. The next thing is to at least try to understand what these protests are really about. IE: Putting the country and ALL its citizens first, irrespective of class, race, or anything else, especially the desire to virtue signal on the so called "world stage" sending billions of pounds abroad as the population suffers from a government that appears to despise them. According to Ms Reeves, we simply can't afford to send so much abroad, so why are we doing just that?
@@paulpaisley5291Protect them from what? And how quickly is he meant to say he'll protect children from violence? He turned up the day after to lay flowers and pay his respects, and it kicked off just hours afterwards.
@shaunhw The reason he's mentioned the far right in his speeches on cracking down, is because probably over 90% of the recent violent disorder has been caused by the far right, or people who are listening to them.
They are easily the biggest threat to the peace of the country, and they've made that obvious.
The closed the shipyards and coal pits and replaced them with unemployment benefits and poverty. What else did anyone expect would be the outcome?
Kenneth Clarke demonstrates here exactly why voters longer trust or support politicians. He presents as a politician who is condescending and arrogant with a complete inability to face the truth. The truth is that many British absolutely reject the ideology of Islam and see if as a threat to our freedoms. They oppose immigration and see that as a threat to our way of life. A threat to our culture. Failure of politicians like him have caused this very situation as they impose ever more controls upon us rather than addressing the problems that result from ignoring the electorate. It's not racial hatred it's a rejection of political policy that does not reflect British principles.
Immigrants are not the problem provoking anger. It is MUSLIM immigrants who wont integrate that cause problems and governments for not enforcing integration.
Sorry, but you are totally out of touch with reality. "Not racial hatred" you say. Just looking at what has happened clearly shows racial hatred. Attacking, burning asylum places, attacking ethnic diverse places etc etc etc.... how the whole thuggery started was because a black British Christian kid killed three white girls. The far right love to legitimise their causes by saying one is genuinely concerned for example about mass immigration when in fact they want to go and attack... e.g. attack minority groups which fit their racial motivation of hatred. This level of hatred is very much present in today's society. Now, the far right wants to do harm. I really do not trust most people anymore who say they are concerned about immigration. In the back of my mind I'm thinking far right, racist and discrimination and low and behold I tend to be more right than wrong. I bet most of them don't know any asylum seekers or indeed immigrants.
Yeah yeah Ken.
Us white underclass need a final solution to sort us out?
I’ve spent some time looking through the immigration stats and they are troubling. Uncurbed, immigration - illegal and otherwise - is already causing, and will continue disrupt Britain. Those in the middle class can afford to remain cushioned from its effects for longer. But the numbers are growing exponentially. There is already an estimated 1.2 million illegals in England (the figure is likely to be higher). That’s the population of Leeds and Manchester combined in 2024. I’m listening to both sides of the argument and those marching seem to have legitimate concerns while those of the left are merely labelling these people, who are their neighbours, as racists and terrorists. Along with the government. Imagine the frustration of this demographic when their elected officials are failing to represent them. They have a legitimate reason to feel frustrated. But we need more shows on UA-cam with people having a discussion from both sides. Right now everyone’s existing in echo chambers.
Amen. The repercussions, risks, and backlash will only increase the more incompetent/corrupt/ideologically-unhinged elitists continue to fail their country. Globalistic parasites don’t have loyalty/patriotism, they don’t respect the sacrifice of previous generations or the importance of the citizenship social contract.
Calling them mindless is just a way of ignoring the politics of the situation and in Clarke's case ignoring that to avoid Conservative responsibility for the rise of the far right over the past decade.
Is that the same "angry Underclass" that brought us Brexit. They have got a lot to answer for in that case perhaps some will see the inside of a cell. They should all get criminal convictions (no EU or USA travel) and lets hope that those who are unemplyed are made to do community service with the threat of jail if they default. Totally unacceptable behavour and criminal.
Yes cancelling passports and handing out large fines lik 5K and 10K.
You do realise that the Brexiteers won a national referendum?
Oh you mean the politician that betraid them? that "underdclass" that had hope that brexit would help against the onslaught of immigrants as promised? answer me that....
52% of voters in a referendum are not "an angry underclass". I'd be very surprised if half the folk chucking bricks have ever voted.
The rioting is completely unacceptable, agreed, and unhelpful. However, there are far more folk echoing concerns about migration than just these knuckle-draggers. Attempting to sneer or dismiss those concerns, attempting to pretend there's no problem, will not work, and that attitude is what got us Brexit. The Remain campaign was awful because it was up on its high horse.
This obsession with wanting to throw people in jail is very revealing.
Don't these guys have a job to get to, or did all the immigrants take the jobs off Indeed and Total jobs??!!!
Good point. If they were immigrants or people with a left wing agenda many if the people excusing the current rioters would be saying exactly that.
@@scooby1992- what?
interesting
@@chrisbennett6260 Very
Underclass….. the sheer contempt you people have for the working class. The working class only needs to stop playing your game and its over.
Violence to counter violence, an eye for an eye. We will all end up blind.
This is the Ken Clarke who actively promoted staying in Europe with open borders therefore letting in immigrants in vast numbers with no controls, the very thing which people are now protesting against.
What utter misrepresentation, sad to see how onesided the conversation is and how dishonestly is being talked town to the middle class
middle class...😂
@@Elyut99 great way to engage with my argument
Calling these men “looters” and “thugs” is crazy… they’re all dissatisfied with the way their country is being treated by its own government. We need order
Trouble with Ken is he’s had a too easy life. He’s out of touch with the real Britain.
underclass are the perfect tool for those in upper-class. with careful manipulations they can be mobilized to carry the interest of the few.
The media & the government are so out of touch. Ken Clarke is talking out of is back-side
No - he speaks the truth.
No,,just cause it's thevteuth and you don't like it
Underclass - he should know - His party designed it that way - Tories have been in practically the last 4 decades with labour just a few years -
Nice to know old tory Ken is a 100% onboard with Two-tier Keir. Birds of a feather stick together.
You guys literally think you can convince the public that the police discriminate against white people and are lenient to black communities 😂😂😂 what a bunch of cretins
Oh dear Ken Clarke you are so out of touch.
Working class heroes. It’s a class war. The middle class in Britain has always despised the working class, a mixture of hate and despise.
I agree. The working class in large cities and towns have been abandoned.
THATS THE BIG PROBLEM, WITH EVERY GOVERNMENT, THE PEOPLE ARE VIEWED AS THE UNDER CLASSED , WELL THIS UNDER CLASS WORMS ARE TURNING , YOU UNDERESTIMATE THEM , UNITED WE STAND
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This government, a Labour government have lost the people. It’s over before it even begun.
Look at the violent people, look at the bricks, don't look around, don't notice the boring people in the background, don't notice the peaceful protests, just look at the fire, look at the violent people, the dogs, horses, the hurt policeman, what a shame, but then what can you expect from the likes of them, right?....
Ken go home. You're so out of touch mate its embarrassing lol
No to violence. Please protest peacefully.
5K and 10K fines will fix things pretty quickly. Failing payment, jail time.
If they are on benefits....
@@susanwestern6434 Send them into the army so they can pay their debt.
@@spumemonk11 You want to recruit folk with convictions for violence and dubious right-wing views into the Army? K then.
@JoeyBloggs007……you are referring to the GB News and Live TV compères and producers, and the Rees-Moggs and Farages of this world , who have churned out their racist bile, which the “underclass” pawns have taken up leading to this violence.
@@susanwestern6434. You are not prejudiced against those on benefits are you ? You’re a fountain of knowledge and wisdom clearly.
Ken Clarke is partially responsible. He was part of a government which presided over mass deindustrialisation of the UK, disenfranchising the white working class and a refusal to tackle mass immigration(it's not just Labour).
Calling your fellow countrymen 'underclass' is clearly incitement to violence - I expect to see an arrest warrant for Ken Clarke.
Years ago men went to war and the 'underclass' were wiped out - I am the first in my family not to have gone to war in recorded history. Today not only are there no world wars on the scale of the past, but the 'technological age' is upon us with technology and AI beginning to be felt with automation and a lack of manual labour, particularly in the UK. No wonder the 'underclass' is revolting - in many ways there are protesting about the loss of their lives.
Who is Ken Clarke? What a buffoon!
a man who held high office in various goverment roles
A man who has publicly stated in the past his dislike of tne working class and poor
Clarke is like Hestletine, Starmer, Johnson patronising, hypocrites
Who would you recommend?
When did he say he hated the wc?
What a surprise that someone with that accent has no idea.
That’s what I was thinking.
i turned my life around i went from being in jail to working in a prison
The UK has since years a problem with neo-fascist and xenophobes.
I am glad that all who get sentenced cannot come for holidays here into the EU.
Yeah because the EU doesn't have that stuff right? Three beheadings in Germany ring a bell?
Germany has just closed a very large mosque for proselytising hatred for decades.
Go play with your crayons.
Also the German economy is imploding.
Yes isn’t it amazing how if governments wilfully ignore the fact that about half of British people don’t want mass immigration they will tend to become upset and more right wing .
Who would have thought it
But xenophobes don’t actually cause problems. They’re just people who don’t really like foreigners.
I don’t like religion. That’s not a problem.
My politics is to the left and progressive but Mr Clarke is my hero
Thank you Sir
I agree, there is an angry underclass
Ken Clarkes a treasure. I think in future only retired politicians should be allowed in parliament.
Need to join the EU.
Meet the underclass. Or, as Marx called them, the Lumpenproletariat.
they all look like dossers
more like builders
@@beaulieuc8910 if you class scaffolders and plasterers as "builders" sure.
Why did the police officer say “the rioters have greivances, people from outside of England taking their jobs, taking their wealth” - That is untrue - disappointing that he gave credence to the Far Right “population replacement” 1930s Germany type beliefs, ESPECIALLY since the riots were quite akin to the Krystallnacht orgamizedd burning of Jewish-owned businesses and Synagogues. The rioters like Brownshirts targeted and burned down Asian, Indian and Arab businesses and attacked Mosques. How this officer ignored the clear racist layer is disturbing but not surprising
What planet you from?