Wanna add that signature gun also activates Fascination and Performance state, so if you have sp for ult, you can just skip combo 3 and immediately ult. Related guides: Aponia guide: ua-cam.com/video/WlrcdF1zV8g/v-deo.html Handel stigma: ua-cam.com/video/9W20VHJQRu0/v-deo.html
can eden, FR, fischl retain red lotus in lightning or hitcount weather? i dont have mobius or HoT and i'm not planning to pull, but i can pull mobius/aponia if there is no other choice. what do you think?
3:00 *"Weapon skill comes with a banger music"* You know, i was pretty disappointed that her Signature Weapon is not linked to the 9th Divine Key, but now i'm convinced that it's a MUST have.
Just finished my fully built mobius, haven’t started FR at all and that’s gonna be way longer grind and looks like they are gonna be pretty equal footing except some situational stuff. Def saving up to go for her gun and gonna pair Eden with my fischl and snek lady❤️❤️
Thanks for taking the time to make these guides! I just broke through to level 81 after a few years of stalling and now every little detail matters to me lol. Super excited for tomorrows update!
As a new captain without a lightning dps, i'm definitely gonna slowly farm ancients to buy FR and her be my dps since i got Iris on my beginner HoS banner !
I love your content. Not many peole make content for Honkai which honestly makes it really inaccessible to a lot of people especially in the end game. Would you consider doing a guide like this for all the more popular/meta chars?
i really want to amass my war fund for the eventual upcoming herrscher but damn eden gun this patch and HOT new weapon in the next patch is just to good to pass up
Thank you Marisa I was wondering because I just invested in full FR stigs from the BP and Eden just seemed like the better investment, glad to see that FR is still better in some cases
My Plan:SKIP APONIA,WAIT FOR SNEK *pull eden gears(at least handel T and B and her gun) *Never pull for ice valks(I suspect the next herrscher would be ice,so..) *Save xtals for mei new PRI-arm. *Get turgenev(T) from Phyllis shop
@@saifshaikh5102 Ellie is rumoured to be the next herrscher.Elysia boss has crystal(like ice),has immobilization(freeze) and fast(most ice valks are fast),I do suspect her she's ice type.(meme:shamash is fire and ellie is ice..FIRE VS ICE lol)
Finally a character that doesn't have the typical tight exposure. Is not that I don't like tight exposure but the character designs were getting VERY repetitive
Thank Marisa. I thought you would include Aponia guide in this video :v Before that I always wondered whether to choose Eden or FR for support, now I know :"> While Fischl is always the 1st support :v
Me too! I pulled for eden without thinking of it because she's just good. I'm planning to team her with Lightning empress and Fallen rosemary. Do you think that's good enough?
I thought the fact that Eden didn't just get full bar on any QTE was a poor design decision. I get that they are upselling the weapon but I really wish they'd chill the shill.
getting sp valkyries to sss feels like pain when i last time thought about getting fischl to sss . then saw she needs 400 frags , i kinda gave up . i'll try to get her to ss at least though . hopefully i get her weapon early
Not really usually we get fragments for free in events, we can but it on shops and rewards in the open world. My pardo is a hundred frags away from sss.
@Marisa You made a mistake at around 3:30 when listing alt stigs for Eden. The copium options list Turg TB Tesband M when the image depicts Aslaug TB. Great guide aside from that tho, the combo diagram with gun is especially helpful as a visual guide to convince anyone wondering if gun is worth
With Fisch and Rita, I can't justify pulling for her gears (as much as I want to). She looks quite awesome though! But, my resources need to go to my struggling Ice/Fire teams.
Have 4/4 FR but still farming the valk herself, 4/4 Mobius, and 0/4 Fischl. Not pulling for Aponia since I spent my savings on Mobius. Eden’s weapon is tempting but so is saving for Seven Thunders considering we might get HoT free at the end of the year and Handel is her new BiS.
@@SlavoidUkr I know, so even if they decide not to give her away because she just got the buff I'm confident I'll get her eventually anyway. Also as an update I did 20 pulls on Eden's weapon and got it, so I'm satisfied saving for Seven Thunders now.
@@IveBeenWithBruma As the other guy mentioned, Pardo got one, and Griseo is getting a pri-arm next update as well. It's far more likely that Eden simply didn't get one because they don't want people to use her as a budget DPS like people did with Pardo. They intend for her to be used as a support.
I watched this video mostly to figure out if the guns would be worth it or nah. F2P player here and a cheapskate, I only have 14k crystals rn, so usually, if I can get stuff out of other sources, I don't spend. Given Handel is farmable I would only pull on the banner for the sake of the guns, but I was also eyeing HoF or Aslaug in the later part of the update (I do have Spina for fire, but no signature equipment) So the question is: should I try my luck at Eden and hope I'm lucky?
Question. Suppose I use Turgenev TB Tesla Band M on my Fischl (along with her signature bow) instead of full Zhenyi. Will FR's best DPS stigs be still Zhenyi TB Handel M? (I asked because ur Fischl only has full Zhenyi on the recent test videos.)
I was planning to pull for Aponia but since new divine key will be released in the next patch, guess I'm gonna go full gear Eden and pair her with FR. That should be enough, i guess.
"Handel is a G4 farmable stig set". My stupid brain wanted to know that before wasting 20K xtals to get the Eden Equips. :( I hope I can gather enough xtals to get Mei's Sword next patch
I just started playing, the guides have been very helpful. I somehow got Eden on my second day of playing.... Also got Raven, and then got Azure Empyrea. Would they make a good team? Or should I try to get someone else?
azure empyrea is a very good support for all elemental teams, but in ice she lacks a little bc pardofelis is better than her in ice teams. Raven is a fire support and Eden a lightning support. Making them a team is not rlly good but if you are just at the beginning of the game then it's fine. You should just get a lightning dps or a fire dps in the future and your team will be good (lightning dps - eden - azure empyrea - ; the same for the fire team with raven instead of eden). Hope i helped
It's because of the new wep of HoT on next patch. HoT is getting BKE treatment and everyone knows how BKE skyrocketed in meta because of her AF. I was about to pull aponia too, but because of the new wep, like the others, will go for full Eden gear since she's a great lightning supp
theyre trying to overthrow AE as the best elemental support by giving specific element a specific support i have been seeing this since the release of fischl and haxor bunny
@@ineedmorecarrots6063 Yep. The moment we get an SP fire valk that can support the fire team, preferably via igniting, (Since that's kind of a problem rn unless you run Spina or the outdated DA) it's over for AE.
I have FR and AE for my lightning support, and i was thinking to gear Eden up to replace AE (i don't have fischl yet). Is it a good move or AE elemental breach is more important?
Full handal 3S FR vs Eden. Both have their sig weapon. Who would be better support. (Or u can also use a Zhenyi B and Irene M to replace any Handal because those the spares I have I'm broke) I'm asking cuz my FR only has her weapon and Irene M and I'm wondering whether Eden would be better --> pull her gun . Essentially: 1) Craft handal for FR and use her 2) Pull gun for Eden, craft handal remaining, use her
i need your helpppp this is my electro dps team composition right now aponia = full geared fishl = no weapon, only M and B stigmata(signature stigmata) eden = her weapon = no stigmata so here i can choose either fishl weapon or complete her stigmata from spending even ticket, which one should i pick? for eden i can choose from the version reward stigmata, which stigmata should i pick based on my team composition here? i ve FR too but no stigmata and weapon so probably out of option
Get fish’s T sitg. Her power comes from the zhenyi stigma so complete that. It can also be used on FR ( if u want to run her as a dps) and HoT. And farm Handel stigs. You’ll only need to farm two since we get one from the Handel box
Whose gears do I pull on? Fish's or Eden's? I currently have them both at 2/4 (With Fish having her signature weapon and Zhenyi T, while Eden has both Handel T and M. But I'm close to getting the B piece.)
Would budget Eden with Pinions still be better than Fully geared SS2 FR on an Aponia team? I am using Cerulean bow on Fischl anyways since I don't have her signature bow. I just spent all my crystals on Aponia and only have her at 2/4 (weapon included.) I'm probably not going to get enough to pull everything I want this patch.
can eden use a positron blaster? I'm confused why Eden doesn't have a Pri-Arm version, right? whereas other flame chasers such as Elysia, Mobius, Pardofelis, Aponia, even later Griseo will also have Pri-Arm, only Eden doesn't have a Pri-Arm version.
Not gonna go for Eden, already have a fully geared FR, just missing some ranks. I also need to save my gems for the new HoT weapon and the upcoming Herrscher, though I can probably not get both. Edit: I pulled a few times hoping for a stigmata piece or two and I got Eden's sig. weapon and Handel B within 10 pulls. gg
Wanna add that signature gun also activates Fascination and Performance state, so if you have sp for ult, you can just skip combo 3 and immediately ult.
Related guides:
Aponia guide: ua-cam.com/video/WlrcdF1zV8g/v-deo.html
Handel stigma: ua-cam.com/video/9W20VHJQRu0/v-deo.html
3:25 for the bottom left options, do you mean Aslaug TB?
@@byeguyssry yup
Is Eden weapon a must-pull?? I'm kinda saving for HoF here... And I don't even have a lightning dps yet, I'm just Fischl + Eden + DJ.
can eden, FR, fischl retain red lotus in lightning or hitcount weather? i dont have mobius or HoT and i'm not planning to pull, but i can pull mobius/aponia if there is no other choice. what do you think?
@@nhathuytran5055 oof thanks for your opinion, i will think about it
Eden might be second favorite lighting type already in this update this guide is perfect
3:00 *"Weapon skill comes with a banger music"*
You know, i was pretty disappointed that her Signature Weapon is not linked to the 9th Divine Key, but now i'm convinced that it's a MUST have.
Just finished my fully built mobius, haven’t started FR at all and that’s gonna be way longer grind and looks like they are gonna be pretty equal footing except some situational stuff. Def saving up to go for her gun and gonna pair Eden with my fischl and snek lady❤️❤️
my snake lady
3:31 text says turgenev TB but the picture is aslaug TB.
and as always thanks for the info marisa!
They really named it Gold Experience Requiem
Well its a golden opportunity to use that name
They didn't... it's marisa's given name
The way she fight, she's like dancing gracefully on the battlefield
Thanks for taking the time to make these guides! I just broke through to level 81 after a few years of stalling and now every little detail matters to me lol. Super excited for tomorrows update!
As a new captain without a lightning dps, i'm definitely gonna slowly farm ancients to buy FR and her be my dps since i got Iris on my beginner HoS banner !
wow i need Iris of dreams! i also wanna make FR a dps, but its tougher as you need her set, wep and atleast SS rank
@@Jreft actually tb zhenzi handel m give u biggest dmg output
I love your content. Not many peole make content for Honkai which honestly makes it really inaccessible to a lot of people especially in the end game. Would you consider doing a guide like this for all the more popular/meta chars?
Check keepstar
BABE I CANT MAKE OUT RIGHT NOW MARISA POSTED A NEW VIDEOOOO
LMFAO
i really want to amass my war fund for the eventual upcoming herrscher but damn
eden gun this patch and HOT new weapon in the next patch is just to good to pass up
Just wait till new herrscher is announced and then decide to pull for HOT new weapon
Thank you Marisa I was wondering because I just invested in full FR stigs from the BP and Eden just seemed like the better investment, glad to see that FR is still better in some cases
you can also use eden as support for your FR if you want
Would have been even cooler if this came with a sponsorship since she & Felis have been sponsoring our ER runs ever since it's inception.
"Handel is a farmable G4 stigma"
Me chasing Echo of Paradise: hmm I don't think I have to farm for it
i got the weapon, took a while, and not a single handel, sadge.
My Plan:SKIP APONIA,WAIT FOR SNEK
*pull eden gears(at least handel T and B and her gun)
*Never pull for ice valks(I suspect the next herrscher would be ice,so..)
*Save xtals for mei new PRI-arm.
*Get turgenev(T) from Phyllis shop
Same here I'm waiting for the next herrscher and I definitely think it's gonna be an ice valk
@@saifshaikh5102 Ellie is rumoured to be the next herrscher.Elysia boss has crystal(like ice),has immobilization(freeze) and fast(most ice valks are fast),I do suspect her she's ice type.(meme:shamash is fire and ellie is ice..FIRE VS ICE lol)
@@crimson_dragneel2472 ya same what I thought, let this be true pls
I mean yeah you wouldn't need Ice Valks when you got the free HoR, Haxxor Bunny and Pardofelis
@@crimson_dragneel2472 ellie gonna be phy
Finally a character that doesn't have the typical tight exposure.
Is not that I don't like tight exposure but the character designs were getting VERY repetitive
thanks for showing this i was kinda lost about eden
Thank Marisa. I thought you would include Aponia guide in this video :v
Before that I always wondered whether to choose Eden or FR for support, now I know :">
While Fischl is always the 1st support :v
Thank you for the golden information ❤️
I skipped Aponia for Eden and I AM LOVING it, I hope to be main Eden, I only need 1 stigmata to have everything complete, and she is in rank S
Me too! I pulled for eden without thinking of it because she's just good. I'm planning to team her with Lightning empress and Fallen rosemary. Do you think that's good enough?
I'm more excited about Eden than Aponia
Really helpful content. 👊
I really appreciate the guide 👍
I thought the fact that Eden didn't just get full bar on any QTE was a poor design decision. I get that they are upselling the weapon but I really wish they'd chill the shill.
Same man. I really dont want to dump upto 14k xtal for the weapon alone but the game makes me feel shit for not wanting to
Mihoyo just being mihoyo what do you expect?
Wait she's busted
Oh, it's Brax, learning Honkai for future vids? xD 👍
@@uelgandola1497 shhhhh
getting sp valkyries to sss feels like pain when i last time thought about getting fischl to sss . then saw she needs 400 frags , i kinda gave up .
i'll try to get her to ss at least though . hopefully i get her weapon early
Not really usually we get fragments for free in events, we can but it on shops and rewards in the open world. My pardo is a hundred frags away from sss.
@@toolazytoholdagrudge1148 yep by the end of their release patch, I normally have my sp valk at half way to sss from 0
Eden is Lightning Support
Me: Eden is Burst Damage/DPS
🤣
@Marisa
You made a mistake at around 3:30 when listing alt stigs for Eden. The copium options list Turg TB Tesband M when the image depicts Aslaug TB.
Great guide aside from that tho, the combo diagram with gun is especially helpful as a visual guide to convince anyone wondering if gun is worth
0:48 gold experience requiem lol
I heard the jump in damage for SSS, I think was it, is insane.
She is really cool! Golden Diva is the coolest.
You know when her guns crossed each other they kinda looked like Metal Gear RAY. Just throwing that out there that caught me looking for a hot second.
Eden for the win
Free, beautiful and fohking usable
Perfect guide 😎
Thanks this was helpful I wasn’t sure how long I should be in ult with fischl
i like the insta-kill False God Otto at last hp bar
With Fisch and Rita, I can't justify pulling for her gears (as much as I want to). She looks quite awesome though! But, my resources need to go to my struggling Ice/Fire teams.
I have yet to try and farm the G3/G4 Stuff.... I'm kinda intimidated by the grind... Thanks for the very helpful vid! I Subbed!
Got her on a single pull 🙏🏾
why were people saying that eden is only good for aponia? her buffs and debuffs are universal for any lightining dps...
I pair it with my HoT, damn was good, the debuff and dmg buff was better than my fischl lol, poor fischl
And her SP regen is absolutely needed for Mobius.
damn, having missing zhenyi pieces is such a drag...
Have 4/4 FR but still farming the valk herself, 4/4 Mobius, and 0/4 Fischl. Not pulling for Aponia since I spent my savings on Mobius. Eden’s weapon is tempting but so is saving for Seven Thunders considering we might get HoT free at the end of the year and Handel is her new BiS.
HoT is in dorm supply. I randomly decided to do 10 pull of cards and got her
@@SlavoidUkr I know, so even if they decide not to give her away because she just got the buff I'm confident I'll get her eventually anyway. Also as an update I did 20 pulls on Eden's weapon and got it, so I'm satisfied saving for Seven Thunders now.
Eden gun pull time can't wait
man im regretting grinding for cerulean flare for fischl and not realizing the fourth mission already expired ;-;
0:47 Giorno Giovanna: who say gold experience requiem
Sad to say that Eden Don't get pri arm weapon
A ranks never get pri arms unfortunately. They would be beyond busted otherwise and most definitely sp units.
@@IveBeenWithBruma Pardo did get one though.
@@IveBeenWithBruma As the other guy mentioned, Pardo got one, and Griseo is getting a pri-arm next update as well.
It's far more likely that Eden simply didn't get one because they don't want people to use her as a budget DPS like people did with Pardo. They intend for her to be used as a support.
Her Sp skill window so damn hard for slow hand like me
So she was Lightning version of Pardofelis.
You're Goddamn right!!!! :)
I watched this video mostly to figure out if the guns would be worth it or nah. F2P player here and a cheapskate, I only have 14k crystals rn, so usually, if I can get stuff out of other sources, I don't spend. Given Handel is farmable I would only pull on the banner for the sake of the guns, but I was also eyeing HoF or Aslaug in the later part of the update (I do have Spina for fire, but no signature equipment)
So the question is: should I try my luck at Eden and hope I'm lucky?
man her aesthetics, her moveset, all of it, its all elegant, its a hard one to skip
weapon skill comes with a banger music XD
Question. Suppose I use Turgenev TB Tesla Band M on my Fischl (along with her signature bow) instead of full Zhenyi. Will FR's best DPS stigs be still Zhenyi TB Handel M? (I asked because ur Fischl only has full Zhenyi on the recent test videos.)
The title is wrong she's born to be a dps ✨👌
She's good with Kallen who Spam Turrets over and over
3:22 think there's a typo for AslaugTB TeslaBandM 🤣
Thankies~
This is really helpful, i got eden but not aponia😭😭
I was planning to pull for Aponia but since new divine key will be released in the next patch, guess I'm gonna go full gear Eden and pair her with FR. That should be enough, i guess.
big pog eden and handel
"Handel is a G4 farmable stig set". My stupid brain wanted to know that before wasting 20K xtals to get the Eden Equips. :( I hope I can gather enough xtals to get Mei's Sword next patch
she's so good that they only gave me the stigmata set and not the weapon
If I hadn't pulled Nyx, I would've had Aponia.
I regret my decision.
when in doubt just use three supports!!! YES!!!! I AM!!!!
I still find it funny that her skills are basically saying she's Drunk....
I just started playing, the guides have been very helpful.
I somehow got Eden on my second day of playing.... Also got Raven, and then got Azure Empyrea. Would they make a good team? Or should I try to get someone else?
azure empyrea is a very good support for all elemental teams, but in ice she lacks a little bc pardofelis is better than her in ice teams. Raven is a fire support and Eden a lightning support. Making them a team is not rlly good but if you are just at the beginning of the game then it's fine. You should just get a lightning dps or a fire dps in the future and your team will be good (lightning dps - eden - azure empyrea - ; the same for the fire team with raven instead of eden). Hope i helped
Its so funny how ppl are more excited for Eden than Aponia lol
It's because of the new wep of HoT on next patch.
HoT is getting BKE treatment and everyone knows how BKE skyrocketed in meta because of her AF.
I was about to pull aponia too, but because of the new wep, like the others, will go for full Eden gear since she's a great lightning supp
@@demson7436 Yep
GOLDEN AGE WILL RETURN AGAIN~
I'm f2p and farming for Handel, should I put it on HoT or Eden?
@0:49 GER lol. Noice hoyovoiz
GOLD EXPERIENCE REQUIEM IT IS
Dear Marisa, when will you do the 5.7 Tier list ?
I keep getting her stigmata now i have tons of her stigmata in my storage-
Ofc im at luck to go for both aponia and eden hopefully
Hi I'm new player, should I pull for her or pull starter banner? Is she worth to build? Thx in advance
Its a shame she's not physical support. Otherwise, she would look + function well with her signature divine key twins of eden🥲
ikr
theyre trying to overthrow AE as the best elemental support by giving specific element a specific support i have been seeing this since the release of fischl and haxor bunny
@@ineedmorecarrots6063 Yep.
The moment we get an SP fire valk that can support the fire team, preferably via igniting, (Since that's kind of a problem rn unless you run Spina or the outdated DA) it's over for AE.
I have FR and AE for my lightning support, and i was thinking to gear Eden up to replace AE (i don't have fischl yet).
Is it a good move or AE elemental breach is more important?
Eden is faster and has more debuffs than AE. In most cases Eden is definitely better
you make better guide than mihoyo
I have a question: if my Fischl only has her weapon, not Zhenyi, is she still the best support 'in any case', or is it better to replace it with FR? 🧐
i would also like to know this since zhenyi never seems to have its reruns
Curious as well. I have a fully built FR and a potato Fischl, so I'm curious if a lightning dps + FR + Eden team is going to be viable.
Yes if you have Turg TB TBand M on Fischl. Her buffs are better than FR that's why Fischl is a staple in any lightning teams.
i will make her MY dps! amen!
Full handal 3S FR vs Eden. Both have their sig weapon. Who would be better support.
(Or u can also use a Zhenyi B and Irene M to replace any Handal because those the spares I have I'm broke)
I'm asking cuz my FR only has her weapon and Irene M and I'm wondering whether Eden would be better --> pull her gun .
Essentially:
1) Craft handal for FR and use her
2) Pull gun for Eden, craft handal remaining, use her
i need your helpppp
this is my electro dps team composition right now
aponia = full geared
fishl = no weapon, only M and B stigmata(signature stigmata)
eden = her weapon = no stigmata
so here i can choose either fishl weapon or complete her stigmata from spending even ticket, which one should i pick?
for eden i can choose from the version reward stigmata, which stigmata should i pick based on my team composition here?
i ve FR too but no stigmata and weapon so probably out of option
Get fish’s T sitg. Her power comes from the zhenyi stigma so complete that. It can also be used on FR ( if u want to run her as a dps) and HoT. And farm Handel stigs. You’ll only need to farm two since we get one from the Handel box
Would 2nd Sacred Relic be a good choice for her?? Loads of SP recovery and some extra lightning damage sounds promising for 100% ult uptime
Whose gears do I pull on? Fish's or Eden's? I currently have them both at 2/4 (With Fish having her signature weapon and Zhenyi T, while Eden has both Handel T and M. But I'm close to getting the B piece.)
3:28 Aslaug TB Tesla band M
I got Aponia full set and now I just Eden’s weapon😈
I have FR weapon but don't have signature stigmata. Should I roll for Eden equipment or just save for Mobius signature gear ?
0:47 so she has Stando as well
Just got her and i love her playstyle. XD wish i could get her weapon though.
Would budget Eden with Pinions still be better than Fully geared SS2 FR on an Aponia team? I am using Cerulean bow on Fischl anyways since I don't have her signature bow. I just spent all my crystals on Aponia and only have her at 2/4 (weapon included.) I'm probably not going to get enough to pull everything I want this patch.
Ty
Currently completing my Handel set. Which is better as alternative, Full Margrave or Full Irene?
So in conclusions it is better to use Eden if you haven't breakthrough yet right?
the stigmata can be used on hawk of the hawk right
can eden use a positron blaster? I'm confused why Eden doesn't have a Pri-Arm version, right? whereas other flame chasers such as Elysia, Mobius, Pardofelis, Aponia, even later Griseo will also have Pri-Arm, only Eden doesn't have a Pri-Arm version.
When are we getting different music for these Marisa?
😭when my mood changes
@@MarisaHonkai Try listening to "Neath Dark Waters" for Eden 😉
i love rita so i wont replace her but def getting handel asap
if it wasnt for HoF rerun and me not having here i would 100% get eden weapon
Yeah, i can have Farmable Range attack valk for attack Saha Assaka at Range Weather Abyss. So, i can use her for Saha Assaka.
Idk what a dps is in this game but ima definitely main her
Not gonna go for Eden, already have a fully geared FR, just missing some ranks.
I also need to save my gems for the new HoT weapon and the upcoming Herrscher, though I can probably not get both.
Edit: I pulled a few times hoping for a stigmata piece or two and I got Eden's sig. weapon and Handel B within 10 pulls. gg
GG indeed, at least she's SP so you're bound to get her anytime soon xD