Is Islam Antisemitic?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Though they share similar values, guidelines, and principles, Islam and Judaism have a long, complicated relationship that has led to tension recorded within the Quran and other Islamic texts. As a result of what’s been written, along with reactions to the longstanding Israel-Palestinian conflict, some have called Islam an inherently antisemitic religion. Those who agree point out that certain Quranic verses, when taken literally or interpreted negatively, foster antisemitic sentiments within education systems and in the culture, which are used to justify negative stereotypes or hostility towards Jews. Yet other religious scholars argue that this is not the case. They say that many Quranic references to Jews are typically misinterpreted and must be understood in their historical and textual contexts. They also emphasize that there have been historical periods and modern examples where Muslim-majority countries have hosted thriving Jewish communities and reflect a more accurate representation of Islamic attitudes towards Jews.
With this context, we debate the question: Is Islam Antisemitic?
Arguing Yes: Tim Dieppe, Head of Policy at Christian Concern
Arguing No: Reza Aslan, Iranian-American Religion Scholar; Bestselling Author of "Zealot"
Emmy award-winning journalist John Donvan moderates
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The argument that ALL scriptures have antisemitism does not support the argument that Islam NOT anti-semitic.
U must be stupid
We don't need that
We just say God Almighty is Anti-Semetism and that is supported by everyone
Even Judaism nameing Josef the one who fight god
Is Buddhism antisemitic?
Anyway even if his claim is valid (it’s not) we are left with with a pretty simple test of are most believers of a said religion are antisemitic and if so does this antisemitism is being rationalized with religious texts.
The answer is as clear as day.
And no Christianity is not antisemitic, it might has been but it was reformed.
Sunni Islam which is majority of Muslims was never(!) reformed or more so the reform to Shia Islam (Iran/IRGC form of Islam) made it even more extreme and antisemitic
Where was the term antisemitism coined, Christian Europe or elsewhere
@@ai_com well in the Arab and or Muslim world it was “dhimmi”.
I’m both worlds the Jews needed to know thier “rightful” place in history…
It's laughable to say religion is what any individual believer makes of it. Such a disingenuous point to make by a religious scholar. If that was the case it would be impossible to study orthodox theology of any religion.
It's also disingenuous to say no religion in the world affirms the equality of other religions, Buddhism is a prime example. The goal of Buddhism is the attainment of enlightenment and Buddhist texts clearly give examples of the possibility of individuals attaining enlightenment without the teachings of the Buddha.
Reza is either purposefully making disingenuous claims or is a terrible scholar...
Why not both?
#1 is kind of sort of true, but if you're going to make that claim (Reza) you have to also concede that to the extent an individual who calls themselves a follower of a given religion ignores or goes against the doctrines or rules of that religion is the exact extent to which they are not a member of that religion. At a certain point if a Buddhist is on a murderous rampage, drinks alcohol daily and doesn't meditate, doesn't even read the sutras, what do we make of their proclaiment that they are Buddhist?
I am wondering what Reza thinks about Quran mentioning children of Israel many times but never mentioned Palestinians, Quran also mentioned that children of Israel will return and what does he think about claims by some that JC is Palestinian.
He is bizarrely sidetracking by talking about Christian dislike of Jews but this is not the subject of the debate
@Petruhafication. Ironically that your bring up the comparison with Buddhism as Muhammad had horrible things to say about Buddhism, Hinduism and even Zoroastrians very similar to what he’d said of Jews and Christians calling for the murders of all others. In fact he’d only extended some tolerance to Christians and Jews because they were Abrahamic religions and therefore keepers of the holy testaments. Each could only be tolerated if they paid extra taxes when living in Muslim countries higher than the tax rates over that of Muslim citizens upon pain of death if they objected or simply couldn’t afford to pay when living under Sharia Law. I can’t think of a more intolerant religion. Who else hates the Buddhist or for that matter who hates the Zoroastrians? It’s so unreasonable.
I'm so relieved to hear that all the Koran can be interpreted individually. Could we let the muslims know?
IKR
Awwww someone is b..hurt
Everyone who has tried has been killed in the name of Islam
Answer: by and large, YES. And by and large, its adherents are.
"If Islam is anti-Semitic then so is Christianity" is not a strong argument to the modern secular audience. The failings of Organized Religion are a big reason why the west believes in the separation of church and state.
The literally started Christianity. They didn't preach hatred against their brothers but forgiveness and love. 😊
What about the Zionists from Eastern Europe who are claiming to be semites using the Bible as a title deed to justify the occupation of Palestine?
Are they secular when they are using religion to do the occupation?
Yes Christianity has been brow beaten into modernity. That said, if any random person wants to live their life more like Jesus, we have no reason to worry about them. On the other hand, if they wanted to live like a warlord who had many wives, including some underage, we have a problem. My religious tolerance extends just as far as your religious beliefs are compatible with secular humanism.
@@mountainair first of all if you insult the prophet, I am sure you are doomed both in this life and the hereafter. Don't think that you are going to escape the punishment of God Almighty. I advise you to repent and ask for forgiveness.
Secondly the Zionists are using the Bible as a title deed to justify the atrocities in Palestine while most of them are not even genuine descendants of Israel.
@@mountainair ... Jesus did so many antisemetic stuff
Calling Jews the Synagogue of Satan
Beating Jews
Let them be slaves telling them he has no right to save them.
Setting them up with Issac haveing 12 Sons and no daughters
Reza is such a bad faith debater.
Just be honest dam^it
I can't believe Reza is even addressing Islam publicly again. Maybe he thinks the internet forgot about his previous debates on Islam where he failed miserably.
to correct Reza. Maimonides was not being persecuted by the inquisition he was persecuted by the Almohads.
Is Islam antisemitic? Is water wet? Is the sky blue?
Let's first agree on who's a semite. Are the Zionists from Eastern Europe genuinely semites? They claim to be secular humanists when they are using the Bible as a title deed to justify their actions and atrocities against the people of Palestine. It will be difficult for Europeans and the Americans to convince anyone that they stand for human rights after supporting the atrocities in Palestine.
I guess God Almighty is also anti-Semitic.
@@keksi6844The Muslim Moon god, Yes!
No.. Ofcourse not water cannot be wet by itself water make stuff wet.And ofcourse not the sky is white or mostly transparent.
@@shainazion4073 Pretty sure not just our "Moon" God but even your Boy Jesus calling Jews the Synagogue of Satan and beating Jews for trading in their temple.And setting up the Jews from their creation by Giving Issac 12 sons tho Jews inherit from their mothers the Jewishness....So so many proofs that God is Anti-Semetism
I don't like the question... Question should be "Do muslim countries teach and support anti-semitism".
The first is s religious debate that can be warped, the latter is a current debate that van have proofs from the muslim states.
is Reza Aslan an islamist? That question should have been asked first.
Okay calm down, Joe McCarthy.
@albertfromgc5599
Reza Aslan is not an Islamist by any stretch. But he has a wishy-washy view of Islam, which to him is just a dust-cloud or religious ideas and practices. Islam is not that. Islam is a wholesale imperial ideology that has no place in Europe, India, and East Asia. Only the Chinese seem to understand that Sunni Islam has no place in a human world.
@@paulthomas281 lol this is breathtakingly stupid. Every religion can be imperial. Europe is built on Christian imperialism.
@@paulthomas281 there are certain islamists who pose as “liberals” in order to try to subvert the West from within.For example ,Tariq Ramadan.
A ex Muslim once explained to me how islam lies to a population with translations of the Quran . He said if you want to see how they manipulate people go and purchase a Quran written before 1975. And than purchase as many qurans as necessary beyond that date and atart comparing the wording.
Have you done this? What have you found?
@@ameeradil- Muhammad married his adopted Son’s wife called ‘Zaynab’ after lusting for her and then banned Adoption in Islam- (Surah 33:37,Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 305, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3330, Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 516,The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein, 1
@@ameeradilI will give you an example as an example-Muslim and Native Arabic speaker.
In Koran 8:30 it’s written “Allah is best deceiver” والله خير الماكرين
While they manipulate new translation to be “Allah is best of planners”
Allah in the Koran is acting even worst the the devil himself to lore people to disobey him so he can enjoy torturing them. There are thousands of examples but I hope you are smart enough to pick it up and do your own research.
@@ameeradil I will give you an example as an example-Muslim and Native Arabic speaker.
In Koran 8:30 it’s written “Allah is best deceiver” والله خير الماكرين
While they manipulate new translation to be “Allah is best of planners”
There are thousands of examples but I hope you are smart enough to pick it up and do your own research.
@@hamodalbatal464 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that referring as a counter to the Arab Polytheists who were trying to persecute the early Muslims? Kind of like, 'they were planning against muslims but really they were only wronging themselves by being so bigoted, and hypocritical.' type of vibe.
I get the criticisms of Islam, but it should be noted how barbaric and savage the pre islamic polytheistic tribal Arabs acted. Things like burying newborn daughters because they only wanted male sons. Thinking that a carved wooden doll will make rain fall from the sky if you pray to it etc. Sure criticize Islam, but polytheism is just stupid. The Europeans also had their polytheist ideas with Odin/Thor worshippers etc but those have also been rejected as those are not progressive ideas, and are based on superstition. The idea of Tawheed in Islam was a radically progressive concept in its time, and even non muslims spread similar messages in other parts of the world
As a muslim myself, Reza is not really the best guy to represent Islam
As an Ex Muslim, I disagree
Reza is doing Taqiyya
How do you know
@@Malik-lh4jh Because she listened to what Reza said, and it was blatantly obvious. See also my comment, written independently rather than as a response to a comment.
@@Malik-lh4jhi talked to him I can confirm he does taqiyya or how I call being a clown
As always thats his occupation
Because air is coming out of a practicing Muslim’s mouth.
43:46 wrt Mrs Sahar, so does it imply they what muhammed wrote is not entirely inspired, but he inserted additional text if he became angry with the jews or christians during some battle? and this reflected in the blatantly antisemitic and anti christian verses? but the historical linkages doesn't seem to matter as most imams seem to interpret the verses as being applicable to present time.
God never spoke to Muhammad.
@@jacovawernett3077 i completely agree with you i was just humoring the idea based on her comments. it is certainly not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob- their perversion of heaven, one of many corruptions.
@@fre7717 truly, I thank you.
i also don't believe Muh@mm@d had any inspired revelations- he cobbled together writings from bible, gnosticism and other personal stuff - killing people for All@h- really speaks to a false God with no powers, so many things written that directly conflict with the bible. the people who follow islam are those who blindly follow their imam spin, or those who enjoy a certain privilege due to their status (imam or scholar), and the price of being disowned by family.
Why tf would this be a debate?
Why not. Islam is the root cause of the problems in the middle East and they are gradually spreading the cancer to the west
So convenient to say.. religion is what each individual says it is… which is exactly the opposite of a religion… I must admit he’s pretty damn confused
I don't think he's confused, I think he seeks to cause confusion as part of his apologetics.
Quran 5:82
"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews..."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Make your own conclusions
I can’t listen to Ezra defend Islam and Mohammad.
I agree with you. Namaste. God enlightened me. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. ( I was born March 11th in Bethlehem 51 years ago)
I will teach you some Aramaic. Schlama means peace. Malkuth means heaven. Khubba means love.
Reza is disingenuous.
Which Krishna temple are you at.
Is it also true that , to a large extent, the passages that are most aggressive towards the Jews are found in the more recent passages while the more ambivolent ones in the earlier ones?
If a religion appropriates another faith , it's inherently anti- that faith. islam in Quran appropriates all older abrahmic religions
Islam plagiarized bits from Abrahamic (among others) religions' scriptures to trick/make people believe it's from their God (god/s) and turned it on it's head (also tried to re-write history) to suit their end goal of world domination ( the aim to create an empire and dominate as the Romans did)
laughable question.
There is no slaugthering of unbelievers as Reza said about christianity. "Vengeamce is mine"says the Lord. We are called to love our enemies and not allowed to slaughter anyone.
"I come not to bring peace, but a sword"
@@ClintonAllenAndersonthe word sword is translated “machairan” in its original text greek which its a fisherman’s tool to divide meat.
Reading further it say he will divide families and enemies into those who will follow and not.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”
@@Kaye254 Apologetics and Excuses aren't convincing
@@ClintonAllenAnderson You not understanding context or meaning is not my fault. Jesus taught by using figurative language, maybe if you actually read into the scripture you would stop parroting what simpletons say
@@Kaye254 "Jesus" is almost certainly a mythic being that was historicized and not the other way around.... There's zero evidence he "said" or "taught" anything.
Go sell crazy somewhere else
I am an ex muslim i fully understand the game Raza is playing here. He is lying to the western audience who has no idea about Islam.
Yes
Yes, Islam is antisemitic, but it doesn't mean that average Muslims agree on support it or agree with those interpretations.
Like Islam is weird, in the first part their prophet tries desperately to recruit Jews into his faith, than in the second half he says fuck it and declares war on them until the end of days, and its all while attributing their faith claims and customs to Judaism because of the first part of the story...
Like what one even calls this in psychological condition terms?
It's antisemitic, if being antisemitic means being against illegal occupations, genocides and apartheid. To be fair, that seems to be the new meaning of antisemitism.
God didn't speak to Muhammad.
he’s speaking to you!
@@315pasha Sincerly Amira Malaka Elah
@@jacovawernett3077 yeah he’s definitely speaking to you specifically!
Islam guy isn't only lying to non Muslims he started breaking Islamic laws within a min of speaking. He's taking advantage of the ignorance of the public...ughhhh
What pray tell are the “Islamic laws” he’s breaking??
Talking about Islam as a man made idea that isn't supposed to be taken literally is blasphemy (death). Going against the scholars interpretation is disobedience( lashings, amputation). Islam is clear its followers are slaves to its teachings,it's the law and way of life that dictates everything and is against forms of individuality. A Muslims under Shira law can't openly have an opinion on their interpretation,they can't choose not to follow or leave Islam. To say Islam doesn't breed violence and hatred of Jews is crap. The Quran goes on and on about non believers, between calling them losers,animals, accusations of corruption, punishment, subjugation, forever hellfire... All religions have a dark history with disturbing text but Islam is the only one that's never evolved to a point of allowing basic human rights.
@@khubza8999 considering the dude has an audience ig it could be considered dahwa so he's allowed to lie...
Everything you said indicates that you don't know anything about Islam, except for the orientalism tropes perroted by islamophobes.
Just watch old video debates between Reza and Sam Harris. Harris has his issues, but these old debates are great and show what kind of person Reza is.
well what I came to realize over and over again is that the Quran can't be words of a human AT ALL and certainly not words of a devil...you have a problem with it ? take it up to god
Rezvan was perfect Muslim, the debate became about the Bible and Christianity is antisemetic?! Islam was not addressed!😀
In his summation Reza stated that Abraham settled in Egypt though Egypt at the time of Abraham was not yet a Muslim country as the Muslim theology did not exist yet. He also stated that Jesus was preaching to poor Palestinians when he was preaching to other Israelites which was why the Pharisees considered him a heretic and a sorcerer.
For a debate about Islam, there was far too much about Christianity; the moderator should have stepped in and stopped that, very poor performance on his part.
Want to have a debate about antisemitism in Christianity? Great! Do so, but this isn't the time nor space. The title of the debate is very clear: it asks about Islam as a religion, not about Christianity or Muslims as individuals; the question is about the religion and the religious framework. The answer regarding antisemitism in Islam is clear, and it is a resounding yes; Islamic texts about Jews are often vile, and many of the historical events they led to are vile. However, some individual Muslim might not be antisemitic and that is great, but that is not a reflection of the religion itself. Also, let's not forget that antisemitism in the Islamic world is very widespread, and has been ongoing since the formation of Islam with many massacres and subjugations of Jews taking place; Muslims, under the guidance of Islamic law, held Jews as second-class citizens for over a thousand years, and slaughtered them whenever they felt like it.
The texts of Islam are antisemitic and so is the history of the religion and the actions taken by many of its followers. And the antisemitic behaviours of the followers are always justified with the use of Islamic religious scripture.
i think the debate went off, without a clear definition of what us antisemitism and what is not! hence reza attempt to make references to NT passages, which are not.
Replay the video. Antisemitism is defined, and the source of that particular definition is given, just before the actual debating starts, along with the point that both debators agreed to this given definition.
Reza is spot on! I add that all old outdated despotic religions & their extremist ideologies need to all be put into the past. More earth based humanistic religions are the sustainable path forward! More secular states with religious freedoms are needed in the Middle East. Religious beliefs can’t change but Spiritual people can change the religions they believe in & promote.
Modern Day Debate's mods could learn a lot from you, a moderator that actually does his job and not just sits there looking at his screen and occasionally giggling.
REZA YOU TAQIYA 🙈
It is hard to understand religion, which has the opposite verses in its 'holy book'. One side can use their version, and the other side will use another version... confusing, and the religion politicians will use their version to strengthen their goals... the main point and fact is that can we see Jewish people in Islamic countries? I just want to know for sure
Religious texts are a product of the time when they are written. The Hebrew Bible was written thousands of years ago, the Christian New Testament about a thousand years ago, but the Quran is only hundreds of years ago and is more fully believed as written. People also tend to believe negative views more fully than occasional more positive views that may occur within a text. As some other comments here observe: tell these "love everyone" verses to the current Muslims. Most of the more ositive comments in Islam refer to "the end of time." We are concerned with how people are viewed and treated hre and now.
"It's a metaphor!" They shouted in glory against those who would not accept to mob-tax.
It follows from Reza Aslan's perspective that the Qur'an is no more than a Rorschach test in which we project meaning on to the text but that is fatuous at best. The Qur'an has a finite range of valid interpretations: it cannot mean anything. And, moreover, most muslims would not accept his view of the Qur'an!
Jesus is talking to "poor Palestinian Jews"? 😂😂😂 It was named Israel and Palestine didn't exist. Jews know what side you're on obviously 🙄
demi means half , it comes from the french , demi ...........
in the quoran demi means half that of the muslims , same as muslim women are also demis , worth half that of a muslim man , surah 4/176 ................
Reza states that "It's up to the person to derive from it.." referring to text in the religious scriptures mentions both positive and negative statements about Jews. In Islam, it's never up to the person to decide how to translate Islamic scriptures. It's up to the governing bodies of Islamic texts - the Imams and such. Muslims mostly do not read nor understand Islamic texts because it's incredibly confusing and in old Arabic.
“Those who have disbelieved from among the people of the Book (Christians and Jews) and the mushriks, shall certainly enter Hell, and remain therein for ever. They are the worst of all creatures. As for those who believed and did righteous works, they are indeed the best of all creatures”
Surah 98 Ayat 6-7
“Believers! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your friends and allies. They are the friends and allies of each other. And among you he who takes them for friends and allies, shall be regarded as one of them. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.”
Quran 5:51
Is sugar sweet?
Of course. Yes. Islamic culture is anti Semitic.
But we all know the history of the Jews in Islamic societies and how the treatment swung back and forth like a pendulum with every generation's interpretation of the Dhimmi. It does change.
Yes.
Not just antisemitism, they against any religion that is not Islamic.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
“The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
Sahih Muslim 2922
Reza: “a man who wears many hats” and has two faces.
Why take any of the religions as truth?
Aslan didn't prove islam wasn't antisemitic. He just proved that islamic texts have a lot of contradictions.
I love your debates
Well i see the point of the defender
But i also see outcome of regulated manipulations
Islam by default is unti anything not islam
Jeudaism is the same ..
But
As you mentioned
Islam is 1 billion people
Jewdaism is approximately 15 milion
Its 100 times bigger
So same level of defined statistics
2-4% of jews are utra aggressive religious people
Its about .. 100000 people
While 2-4% of islamic people is … 10000000 people
Its more then israelies all together
Thats about it
The rest are mostly secular on both sides
So yes
Evaluating the jews islamofobia
Is very based
And real existential threat
Also europ
Is also split
2-6% support annihilation of jews even today
And those are about 30000000 people that are radical
So
Even considering the entire world
Jew haters are 40000000 - 120000000
Radical world wide
And its undervaluation by far
In such conditions
The bare existence of jews is an endless survival
And a choice
Be a slave
(Gimny or something)
Or fight with all they got
To maintain a society
How many murders were committed by Islam in the Indian subcontinent should be debated too.
Let me answer this real quick. No need to watch. Yes. Absolutely positively no question about it 100,000%.
Absolutely.
34:55 peaceful verses were abrogated by the later violent verses…allah kept changing his mind or whatever suited mohammed at that time.
Yes most definitely yes!
The Turkish guy is outrageous by his ignorance of history and history of his own people! Outrageous!
Obvious with abundant evidence from its holy book and practices
Wishing they had a more normal person on the yes side
thumbs up on both debaters on cordial env.
Not quite so cordial. Reza Aslan got more words in (repititious though they were) by interrupting and steamrolling his opponent. Of course, he still lost the competition.
@@AniBAretz well, probably as best it can get? however, it has same characteristics of your typical debate against muslims- dodge and deflect without answering, and counter with a whataboutism. the real sad reality is that even if they can manage to prove that the antisemitic references in the quran were in reference to historical situation, a lot of muslims don't seem to believe that is the case. a lot of imams also don't seem to share that view.
Please watch Christian Prince and Sam Shamoun.
Learn the truth about Islam and the teachings in the Quran.
All non-believers are hated by their god allah. So Muslims follow their god.
May his blood be upon us...
His blood is the saving blood of Christ. Jesus was a jew so it cant be because of being jewish.
7th century Mein Kampf
Antes de llegar el islam se profesaba judaismo cristianismo en la tierra arabiga 600años después llegó el islam muchos se convirtieron y otros simularon con el islam muchos aceptaron en definitiva las personas buscan caminos de bien tanto el judaismo y islam puede encontrarse contradicciones
SAHAR的問題問得太好了，直接把磚家打倒在地，看看他的表情，哈哈。
Reza is the most cringe person in the world!!
It’s super fucked that we live in a society that people ask this, and not only argue for it, but view this as academic. Just to be clear Islam is not antisemetic. There are antisemetic muslims, the same as there are antisemetic Christians and atheists. It’s gross and often racist to assign everyone of one group as inherently hating another
Both are GARBAJJJJJJJ
Mary was a jew and she has a chapter dedicated to her in the quran: Surah Maryam - 1-98
What is a Semite first of all ?
Then who defines Antisemitism and why should we the rest of the world except the standardisation?
@@shmuelaryehkoltov241 what is a semite ?
Who defines Antisemitism?
Can i get a straight answer please anyone
@@shmuelaryehkoltov241 The Canaanites were Semites, with origins which lay in the Arabian Desert. Semitic-speakers formed a sub-group of the Afro-Asiatic language family which includes Hebrew (Israelites), Aramaic (Aramaeans), Arabic (Arabs), and Amharic (Ethiopians).
Thats a start who cornered it down to one and why ?
Not just Islam, but the other major Abrahamic one as well.
Next debate topic"'is talmud anti human,*
Free Palestine ..
Show me what part of Palestine isn't free.
First of all this is a very strange debate, when will we debate is Christianity antisemitic?
Why would an antisemitic religion bestow its favor on the children of Israel, have Jewish prophets, says that pious Jews will enter paradise etc..??????
Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians-whichever party from among these truly believes in God and the Last Day and does good deeds-shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.”
We have to separate what we're talking about here. *Faith* vs people. The belief is like a weapon it depends who uses it , an unstable person with it is highly dangerous.
@@SAYNOTOCENSORSHIP-z6z that is partly true. But for the most part people like to spew propaganda and are not interested in any historical context.
Nothing Rez says makes sense
Hilarious. 😂😂😂
Aslan tries to argue that islam isn't what mohammed taught.
Next time get an ex muslim for such debate. Reza turned it all about Christianity.
Yes I’m sure an ex Muslim is not biased at all
@@315pasha everybody is biased when a religion is concerned. Ex muslims, however, are highly knowledgeble about the subject. Many of them speak Arabic. These things a Christian non Arab researcher of religions does not have.
@@darita654 I don’t think they’re highly educated at all. I think they have a bone to pick because of traumatic event that happened to them that stems probably from their culture and not the religion. Also, it’s the best hustle in the world. Lots of money to be made from trashing Islam. Great industry. Ask Ayan Hirsi Ali. She doesn’t even speak Arabic, hasn’t read the Quran or Hadith in any detail. Yet she was able to get a lucrative book deal and position at the Hoover institute as the token neocon ex Muslim. So no this wouldn’t be an objective voice to turn to.
@@315pasha best hustle in the world? Really? Islam critics get killed quite often. There is one who lives in Germany. He is a son of imam and was preparing to become one himself. He wrote a book as well and now lives under constant police protection.
@@315pasha another point you make that bad things in Islam come from culture and not Islam itself. Unfortunately it is not true. Mohammed was an power hungry warlord who killed lots of people, had sex slaves and r*ped a 9 year old. If you follow his example alone, you would become quite evil. Besides Quran gives instructions how to treat slaves and beat wives.
Maimonides was kicked out of Andalusia by the Almohads which was a Muslim dynasty not Christian.
And where did he go after that? Who was his subsequent patron?
Reza said Maimonides was kicked out during the inquisition which is incorrect. He was kicked out by Muslims
@@12BKLmySHOOto another muslim.land lol. He died in a Muslim land stupid
@@gahtan the whole concept of needing a patron is exactly the problem.
✝️☪️🔯 Beyond delusional buffoons idoit God to begin with!!!!😲😲😲
I'm surprised it took that long. I can even fit in a short:
Is Islam antisemitic? Yes! Want more info about it? Read the Quran or hadiths about the topic. Or just hit up Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
Mereka sedang mencari kesalahan
This is a joke? Is the pope catholic?
Right? Might have asked do christians like little boys?
@@kunya5882 Muslims are pretty fond of little boys too. Religion is one hell of drug.
islam is a chaos, sick, filthy ideology.
Like the Christians in Afghanistan? Please don't you dare come for Christians when your prophet is a pedophile and your religion have so called honor killing. Least advanced society in the world are in Muslim country .@@kunya5882
Is water wet?
Kudos and thanks to Tim Dieppe for his (mathematically) objective, logical, and clear evidence of Islam's antisemitism. There was no word for antisemitism when the Koran was written, but the text reiterates permanent antisemitism into the forever future far more times than it hints at some sort of salvation for Jews who convert to Islam. If someone says, "I hate you" 99 times and "I love you" only once, the two statements are not in balance. To suggest, as Rezs Aslan does, that they are, that they cancel each other out and leave everything to individual interpretation, is a perfect example of false equivalence.
Indeed, Reza Aslan ignores the Koran in order to blame individuals of antisemitism, in order to protect and defend Islam, yet, by doing so, he negates any value that the Koran and Islam have, because, by R.A.'s own explanation, everything is up to individual interpretation.
R.A.'s comparisons with Christianity amount to the immature defense, "I know you are, but what am i?" HIs vague fluidity of reasoning amounts to the manipulations of propaganda, spoken in such a way as to gaslight the individual listener.
So, again, I say kudos and thanks to Tim Dieppe for being the adult and the honest person in the room.
Reza started with a whataboutism and it derailed most of the debate. He then went on to pretend that the Quranic text is abstract and has multiple meanings depending on the reader, he never really responded to Tim's quoted verses from the Quran which very clearly harbour animosity and hostility towards the Jews.
Short answer, YES!
Long answer yes too ...
at 28.38, reza being ignorant or dishonest. the holocause had nothing to do with Christianity. hitler was obsessed with arian racial purity and adopted US eugenics concepts to begin exterminating people who were considered inferior. this then later included the jews. hitler also begin a new state religion that excluded old testament and relabelled Jesus as an Aryan. hitler also hated the Catholics next in line after the jews. it didn't matter if a jew was Christian, they were marked for concentration camps if they had a certain % of parentage who were jews. One story i read recently is that of Edith Stein, who was jewish and became an serious academic and then became a nun. She was sent to gas chambers in spite of efforts by the church to foil the Nazis. the point is, this is real genocide - didn't matter she became christian.
What's more, Hitler did not originally intend to kill all the Jews but to enslave and work them to death gradually. Hajj Amin Al Husseini, uncle of Arafat and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem under the Ottoman Empire, met wtih Hitler to convince him to annihilate the entire Jewish people -- as per the Koran, of course -- but also because Husseini was afraid that any escaping Jews would head home to Jerusalem and become Husseini's problem to deal with. Zionism had already become a rallying cry before Hitler, around 1890, and Husseini must have been aware.
Actually, Hitler HATED Christianity. he believed that Christianity was just Judaism. Germans stopped being Christian except a few sects that were tolerated for political reasons (Catholics). Hitler believed that Christianity had made Europe weak, and he admired the strength of Islam and its hatred of Jews.
Reza has no solutions to Islamer Jihad.
God spoke fifty sentences to me from above to my ear.
His first nine sentences to me from above to my ear were 8.4.2015 in the morning. Since then I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true.
God's last sentence to me was four years ago after months.
He said, You are Princess Messenger of God.
The latest sign I asked God for was the big solar flare for May 11th Aurora Borealis.
reza ; what hamas did to the israelis on 10/7 is written in the quoran ...............
surah 33/26 , and those of the people of the scripture , who backed them ( christians ) , Allah brought them down from their forts ( houses ) and cast terror into their hearts ( suffering ) , a group you killed and a group you made captives ...............
this has been happening today , today , today .................
The genocide the israel is committing is written in the Bible I guess
Maimonides had more to say about Jewish life under Islamic rule: “We bear the inhumane burden of their humiliation, lies and absurdities, being as the prophet said, ‘like a deaf man who does not hear or a dumb man who does not open his mouth’.... Our sages disciplined us to bear Ishmael’s lies and absurdities, listening in silence, and we have trained ourselves, old and young, to endure their humiliation, as Isaiah said, ‘I have given my back to the smiters, and my cheek to the beard pullers.’”
The note by Maimonides shows the plight of the Jews under the Moslems.
Maimonides, a prominent Jewish philosopher and scholar, did not necessarily depict the plight of Jews under Muslims in a singular or universally negative light. While historical circumstances varied, Maimonides himself lived during the Islamic Golden Age in the 12th century, primarily in Muslim-ruled Spain and Egypt, where Jews often experienced periods of relative tolerance and intellectual flourishing under Islamic rule. Maimonides' writings, such as his legal and philosophical works, reflect his engagement with Islamic culture and philosophy, and he often expressed gratitude for the opportunities and protections afforded to Jews in Muslim societies compared to their counterparts in Christian Europe at the time. Antisemitism has always been a European malady; a crime of the West. Get your facts straight.
@askywa During the Islamic Golden Age, there were positive sentiments expressed about Jews by prominent Muslim scholars and rulers. Caliph Al-Ma'mun emphasized tolerance and intellectual exchange, stating, "Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave, even if it be found with Jews." Ibn Rushd (Averroes) defended religious freedoms, affirming, "The Jews and Christians have the right to practice their religion and live as neighbors of the Muslims." Ibn Sina (Avicenna) praised Jewish scholars, noting, "The Jews have contributed greatly to the science of medicine." These statements reflect a recognition of Jewish contributions and rights within the multicultural fabric of Islamic societies during that era.
@askywa
@askywa When Maimonides referred to humiliation, he was specifically addressing the conditions under Christian rule, not Islamic governance. He discussed the challenges and restrictions faced by Jews under Christian rulership, contrasting it with the relative tolerance and protection Jews experienced under Islamic rule during the medieval period. The quotes referring to Muslims and Islamic history are entirely fabricated.
Lol @ “Moslems”.
@31:30, 😅 reza got cow crap in his face, after he mentioned jewish sage, and then the other guy countered with what the sage actually wrote- reza seem to be squirming in his seat..
@fre7717. When studying the Torah if a rabbinical scholar professed a crazy theory there were a hundred other rabbinical scholars who objected and denounced that theory generally and the same thing happened within the Vatican and in the different Christian churches over the centuries. That’s how progress happened over time however slowly. By contrast in Islam it’s as though if Mohammad said that Islams should hate a group of people in one of the books yet to forgive them in another the Imans side on the the book of the Suras. You simply can’t say I hate you a thousand times but I forgive you only once and consider that to be a healthy relationship.
Reza Aslan is not entirely honest in this debate.
Simple answer, Yes.
So let's not be credulous enough to just except any and all religious claims.
''Jesus was talking to poor illiterate Palestinian Jews, like himself'' Was Mr. Aslan talking about kinda historical fallacies? I haven't written a single book. Maybe someday I'll put all my comments on UA-cam in the book, not sure it'll be a bestseller, but anyway... Jesus historical, divine, or fictional was born to a Jewish mother and was a Jew. He was born in the city of Beit Lechem in the heartland of Judea and grew up -- or was born like some historians claim-- in Nazareth, his mother's hometown, which is located in Galilee, a region of Roman province Judea. Where was Palestine? Did some of the Evangelists mention Palestine in the Gospel? Did Josephus write his book about the war of Palestinian Jews? Did Pilishtim aka Philistines still exist at that time? Samaritans? Yes, Philistines? No. Hadrian, the Roman emperor renamed Judea into Palestina and Jerusalem into Aelia Capitolina after he defeated the Jews more than 100 years later after the death of Jesus. Was Jesus illiterate like the prophet Muhammad? How could he read the Torah if he was illiterate? According to the Gospel Jesus wasn't a kohen, but whether he was a rabbi, a prophet, or the son of God he was highly likely literate.
@yuribliman8999. For any Jews to have believed that Jesus was the Messiah he’d have had to havre been a descendant of David therefore he would have been a Levite. The. Kohans weren’t the only literate Jews. In fact the historic strength of the Jewish people over the millennia has always been that they’ve taught more of their people to read than most other populations. This was also true historically of the Persians as well.
He wasn't illiterate.
L'chaim, Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem
@@LlyleHunter King David was from the tribe of Judah according to Jewish tradition. According to the Christian tradition, Jesus was a descendant of David and was born in the same city as King David. So he wasn't a kohan. Kohanim are from the tribe of Levi direct descendants of Aharon. According to the Jewish tradition Elijah the Prophet whose return to the earth will precede the coming of the Messiah was a Levite. There is a hypothesis that Muslims were so afraid of the fulfillment of this prophecy that they set a cemetery right in front of the Golden Gates. A priest who had contact with a dead body was considered unpure according to Jewish law. And to purify himself one must use the ashes of the red heifers.
All Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah who according to the Jewish tradition must be from the house of David. Even the story about the crown of thorns is kind of interconnection between the Christian narrative and the Jewish narrative about Messiah the King of Jews.
@@LlyleHunter
Palm 110 the first verse David writes "The LORD said to my(David's) Lord"
Then further down
4The LORD has sworn
and will not change His mind:
“You are a priest forever
in the order of Melchizedek.”
The "you" is not speaking of David. The LORD is still addressing the Lord from the first verse.
It was clear there was One coming that would not be according to the Levitical line, but according to the order of Melchizedek, a priestly king forever(this is not an earthly kingdom that would perish, but an eternal kingdom.)
Who is this Lord to David?
This entire debate is absurd .. the question should have been *how to reform Islam to make it less antisemitic*
it cannot be reformed
reform is affected by intelligent rational actors
l6lam breeds irrational views and thus irrational actors
They already had a Reformation: Wahhabism.
Islam can't be reformed since they believe it is the true, final, and divine revelation of Allah. Anyone who reforms it is a kufir/heretic.
Aslan Reza begins by excusing written religious texts. All texts are somewhat a product of their time. The Hebrew Bible is from thousands of years ago, the Christian New Testament is from a few thousand years ago, but the uran is from only about one thousand years ago, and thus is closer to what current Muslim believers believe. More important: people tend to grab negative views of The Other despite a few non-negative views in the same text. What I hear in this debate about Islam is that Islam believes those who come to "the end of time" as believers in the Muslim view of God (Allah) will be accepted at "the end of time." Our concern for humans is for the here and now.
Reza Aslan presents his postmodern notion of 'religion' as though it were a fact. We don't derive our values from our scriptures? That is obviously absurd. Of course we are always engaged in an interpretative act when reading anything, including scripture, but it does not follow that that is all we are doing.
Reza Aslan is _not_ a scholar of Islam. He is a professor of creative writing and since he also embraces postmodernism the Qur'an can literally be read in any way you want. For Reza Aslan to say that Islam is antisemitic would be to claim that there is an 'essence' of Islam, which he denies. He thinks that everything is interpretation.
Great discussion!
is this a rhetorical question?? lmao