Microsoft case results in prison time for restore CD copier.
Вставка
- Опубліковано 25 кві 2018
- matrix.to/#/#rossmannrepair-general:matrix.org
Let's get Right to Repair passed! gofund.me/1cba2545
We repair Macbook logic boards: rossmanngroup.com/macbook-log...
Interview with Eric(defendant): • Interview with Microso...
Eric Lundgren distributed restore CDs. you know, the free CD you get with your laptop that lets you reinstall Windows... that you can often download the creation tool for, for free, from the manufacturer's website...
Citations:
www.theverge.com/2018/4/25/17...
www.latimes.com/business/techn...
www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...
www.seattletimes.com/nation-w...
MY BEAUTIFUL MICROPHONE: amzn.to/2HwjWFm
Here I have conducted an hour and a half interview with Eric Lundgren. You decide what you think of the case after hearing him speak on the issues. ua-cam.com/video/S7hnVYMoctM/v-deo.html Take what he has to say, what Microsoft had to say, and form your own opinion.
I see, so he not only did this small businessman who served the environment by saving functional PCs from the trash bin while giving middle to low income people an opportunity to own an affordable PC, he went through great efforts at providing customers the .50'cent factory reinstallation CD that the massive OEM corporations USED TO PROVIDE BUT STOPPED, quite obviously a industry-wide strategy not merely aimed at cutting cost but shortening the product lifespan as owners frustrated with an inoperative, infected system and no immediate means of repair would likely buy a new PC.
Yes, lock him up. Totally.
Louis Rossmann Why don't they include the restore software anymore?
Only in murikka do we have corporate socialism and an Oligarchy.
hy Luis there is a intresting video its loong but intresting ua-cam.com/video/_e6BKJPnb5o/v-deo.html
Because they prefer to use 10% of your hard drive space on a "restore partition" instead. You buy a computer advertised as having 500GB of storage but in reality the drive manufacturer lied to you and you got 460GB instead and the computer comes pre-loaded with software and operating system, that's 400GB free now. Except 40GB had been used for the restore partition. enjoy your 360GB of storage.
Murderer: What are you in for?
Eric: I copy and pasted free software and got pinched by Microsoft.
Murderer: *slides to other end of bench*
Windows is not Free Software... It's not even Freeware actually (which is not the same!). The point here is that he was not selling any unauthorized licenses.
@@FrankoBurolo That's not true... Microsoft website has windows 8,8.1 & 10 as freeware... Like Rossman pointed out, the value is in the license, not the software.
A long time ago i built a PC, when Win 8 & 8.1 came out, I downloaded windows, which is free on the Microsoft website.
Freeware license last for 30 days. After 30 days, windows automatically shuts down ur PC. U turn it back on & u have 1 hr to keep using it until ur PC turns off again. U download it & u will see a windows freeware watermark.
Lazy Gizmo LMFAO
@@HipHopHead187 re-check the definitions. Freeware (not to be confused with Free Software) is GRATIS software. If you have to pay for a license, or else it expires, it is not freeware. And that's exactly the case with Windows - if you don't have a (usually paid for) license, it expires. It is not freeware. Much less free software.
quick FYI, windows is free, with some disadvantages. the free version does not let you personalize themes and other stuff related to visuals, keeps that Activate Windows watermark always on the bottom right corner of your screen, you cant use microsoft office and it only offers updates crucial to the system like windows defender updates. it is free, but if you want the whole premium package where you can do basically "everything" you want you have to buy a license and that costs money. here is the microsoft link to windows 10 download page: www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
we should all burn a recovery disk and mail it to the judge
That's a very very good idea actually!!
I'm down
I bet you could just send him an empty cd with the name on it "recovery disk" and he would had no idea.
And tell him to shove it up where the sun don't shine. xD
Or label it “illegal software cd, unauthorized disposal forbidden by law under penalty of 15 months in prison, only microsoft employees allowed to legally dispose this product without being sent to sit in jail”. Something worded to confuse the senile old and evil power monger judge without breaking any laws. Imply he has claimed himself as some kind of expert who should know how to get around technology laws. Scare his arse into retirement.
Shouldn’t they have judges that know about technology for technology related crimes
The system is broken, because if you don't have the money you cannot defend yourself properly, justice is only for the rich in the West.
There should be a court and judges that specifically handle cases regarding technology.
Maybe they do know about technology and pretend that they don't in order to give Microsoft a favorable verdict!
Yes, however they typically just pick the first one available... Which typically doesn't know much about these kinds of things.
A Judge doesn't need to know about the intricacies of technology, that's the role of an expert witness who is independent and unbiased to either party to present to the Judge the facts. The Judge then apply law as it applies to the case.
He should have called you to court as an expert witness. That MS lawyer should be jailed for misleading the court.
Eventually, someone is going to lose it and start killing these people. I don't know how these people can even show their faces after a lie like that. I do not look forward to the day when people have had enough, because it's almost certainly going to happen and it's going to to be bad for everyone involved.
are you saying the lawyer should be jailed for doing his job?
Robert Slackware exactly💯
@@mrgrumpy5116 You can't lie in court. Nor can you mislead or take advantage of ignorance. So yes, he and those involved should be prosecuted.
@@mrgrumpy5116 Lawyer shall be jailed if he commits a fraud.
If he'd been providing a way to circumvent Microsoft's licence key then it would have been an issue, but I don't regard what he was doing as being a crime, since the files were useless without the end user having a valid licence key. I do however regard Microsoft's lawyers manipulation of the justice system as highly inappropriate. Particularly if they have deliberately misled an elderly judge, exploiting his lack of understanding of technology. That in itself requires investigation.
bigclivedotcom I love your content man!!!!
The files aren't useless without a key (Win 7 had a trial period) and HE HAD NO RIGHTS TO RECREATE AND SELL THEIR PRODUCT.
This video gave me a scare for no reason. The title of the video was misleading and the argument gave was also biased. Simply put, if a company were to make a website link for a software that people can download for free, it does NOT give a person the right to copy and burn onto a disc to be sold to the anyone regardless of how useless this particular software is. This website is the goodwill of the company and the price of this software is pointless to even address, since it is WRONG to download and sell for personal gain. Nonetheless, regarding the pricing of the software disc, yes, though the selling price of 25 cents is pretty much the price of a disc, the focus here should NOT be what is the cheapest you can get for this disc. Have you not gone through a claim with the auto insurance, in which you were the victim with no fault, and the insurance company simply want you to get an estimate for the damage incurred? You could go out of your way and repair the entire vehicle yourself (if you know what you're doing) and just send the invoice price of the parts to the insurance company as your estimate. However, in some cases, it could just be your neighborhood auto body shop, and the insurance company will honor the estimate regardless of how much cheaper another shop could offer to fix it. The 20 dollars, the lawyer argued, for the software disc could just be the price enough people are willing to pay to avoid the hassle themselves. How little you, as an individual, are willing to pay for this software disc is inconsequential. It is how much the company who was wronged could POSSIBLY receive for the disc that is the determining factor here. It is subjective, but it could be argued. Anyways, this video is not helping your cause in a positive way. Nevertheless, keep on fighting, i do respect your effort.
I highly agree with this statement and I believe that those who don't understand technology and who are in charge of our laws should be fired and replaced with actual competent people who understand technology. And then we should teach those people how to keep up with the ever-changing world.
Mitchell Horton Do you like the taste of polish?
"Imagine if your ability to live as a free man depended on your ability to walk your grandmother through the complexities of modern technology", immediate up vote.
I agree. It is pretty scary.
My great great grandmother is 114 and lives in a nursing home the year before last we got her an iPad. She literally cries when she talks about it. She says it changed her life. She'll sit there for hours showing you things on it. She's got everything from old newspaper articles to pictures of the Vatican museum. She knows more about that iPad than any of her great great grandchildren. There's another generation on the way and we hope she gets to meet her great great great granddaughter. Don't ever say older people can't learn how to use technology.
@@amelliamendel2227 He makes it clear that there are older people who know a great deal about technology. He also states that they're the exception, rather than the rule. You appear to believe that your great great grandmother is the rule. She's not. I regularly deal with tech issues for older people. Most of *them* believe that they can't learn, or do not want to learn, which amounts to the same thing as being incapable of learning.
Hell, I'd even go so far as to suggest that if she knows more about her iPad than any of her great great grandchildren, her great great grandchildren clearly don't know much of anything at all about them.
@@Llohr So you're saying that older people are stupid? Of course, you're not. The only difference is she has all day everyday to sit with that and mess with it and play with it and use it. Older people (typically), just aren't interested in it enough to put forth the time to learn it and then they blame the world around them that they don't know this new stuff. they just need to invest a little bit of time learn how to use Google and figure it tf out. If you're illiterate, and have access to the internet, you can figure it out by yourself. Google isn't difficult. I'm not saying they need to learn to code, but having functional knowledge of technology isn't asking too much, if you think so, then maybe you are saying old people are just stupid. You think whatever you want. Also, we don't use Apple products, because yuck. We just got her the iPad because it's simpler.
I have that exact situation with a pretty massive fraud going on, sucks balls
I never liked Apple, but I didn't know I was supposed to be boycotting Microsoft.
Ubuntu Linux also (at least the main branch). Lol.
@@Muhammad-sx7wr Boycotting free open source OS wouldn't even surprise me today. Have heard crazier stories.
@@Harry_Ballz Apparently they have spying software.
@@Muhammad-sx7wr I can guarantee you that's not true.
@@Harry_Ballz nothing "free" these "free" linux oses have a catch to them, some spy, some collect user's data for advertising ...etc
She lied to the court? I thought that was called perjury.
Shame on you microsoft, and shame on your reps and lawyers that should be brought to justice.
Actually you can't go to jail for the stuff he committed. He went to jail because he LIED in court about the existence of an email which talks about how much money he would make off of the CDs he sold. He said he never sent it, even though he did.
Shame? They should be jailed them selves for his sentence and then some for fucking over the justice system.
Microsoft's REAL reason is that people who bought those refurbished computers are not paying Microsoft for a new Windows license. And they should not have to ,because there already is a valid license attached to the machine.
ScumSoft Craporation
Microsoft binds their software to machines right? Then why can they sue someone who sells that machine
@Jonathan Soko Wish I knew techy stuff!
Correct, it's actually an OEM Manufacturer License key, which is common with either the batch of PCs or the entire OEM Brand. For example I remember a Freeware Windows Restore image was available and allowed you to select the specific brand of the Computer you wish to restore; Asus, Acer, Samsung, Dell, HP etc etc. The License key was mostly even a common activation key, which means thousands of the same branded PCs used.
@@dex2531 ...correct....there are Win7 restore disks that actually detect the OEM
brand and load that version complete with Lenovo or Dell or Compaq logos and
wallpaper. There is NO reason a 50 cent DVD cannot be tossed into the packet
of adverts and junk you find when you open your new laptops packaging...none...
He should have insisted on a jury trial and would have had a far better chance of them understanding and NOT have been found guilty. His defense lawyer failed him big time.
That's the one thing that's great in the us jury trails. In some cases their dumb but I mean eh
JURY NULLIFICATION!
Considering MS has billions to spend on legal actions, it's not surprising that this guy's defense lawyer wasn't the best.
That legal system failed him. He did not do anything wrong. Idiot not understanding it should not be enough to fine anybody.
This just adds to the reasons i have not given Microsoft a single penny since 2007 and have discouraged every client from buying any hardware, software, or services from Microsoft since.
@Lucky Joestar are you a toilet paper user?
In front of a judge born in 1943, Eric used the words "freeware" and "licensed key", Microsoft's lawyers used the words "counterfeit" and "illicit". Big corporations know the game like the back of their hand, they know who they're dealing with and adjust their vocabulary accordingly. Apple and Microsoft are so shady.
Excellent observation.
altrogeruvah He would have won with a bettwr lawyer.
altrogeruvah Fucking old people... I hate them, and wish they would get out of politics and our courts.
chdreturns you hate old people? Lol, ok
I don't understand you can have a judge from 1943. They should be on pension for at least 7 years already!
How can we sue a judge?
Martin K. Schröder Asking the real questions
Go to a higher level court I guess. Then again there's no guarantee that those judges will be clean or knowledgeable either.
You basically cant :/
Sounds like an independent agency is needed to audit such cases and overturn such complete nonsense in the legal system. Millions of people would agree that what has been going on is wrong, so the legal system must allow for public overturn of nonsensual verdicts. This is highly necessary for a well functioning democracy (which most of the world unfortunately isn't).
The legal system is there to protect the public. If the public says "we don't want you to protect us against THIS guy" then laws must be in place to assure that the legal system must comply.
We are literally going backwards in time, I hate this
On the contrary, those in power are staying the same. That's the real issue. Politicians are generally tools for lobbyists who have no idea how the real world works, let alone modern technology.
The inquisition. As long as there’s money and government, we’ll be slaves.
It's stuff like this that validates dystopian future scenarios where Corp's write the law and citizens can be punished by the Corp for defying Corp policy. (Ahem.. Cyberpunk?)
reject apple and microsoft, return to linux
8:11
Microsoft admits that their own software published by Microsoft is counterfeit. Is this a new level of copyright troll?
Microsoft legal brain go *brrrrrrr*
It sounds like his lawyer did not understand the arguments to adequately represent his client.
Yeah, should've hired Louis instead.
If you're that guy setting a precedent, they're really going to go for you too by setting an example of you.
Or maybe because the judicial system is based on who can afford to pay more for their lawyers.
+pubcollize Clearly the mass amount of revenue generated by selling "pirated" software paid for his defense.
I learned long ago that you often don't get all the facts from a single source. I like Louis and think he brings a useful perspective to most issues, but I am wondering if there's more to the story than he either knows or is reporting. No argument that the way this sounds right now is very bad, but I'd want more information before I condemned the decision here.
His lawyer obviously doesn't understand much of anything if he attempted to defend this guy after receiving the evidence which has been brought against him. He should have advised the person to enter a guilty plea and request an alternative to prison.
Before the Interwebs, the entire Shareware industry used to operate like this!
You'd pay your $5 disk/service fee and they would fill up disks full of otherwise legally downloadable software.
Insane.
EEVblog you don't know how cool it is to know you watch this channel too!!!! 😃
G Spawn difnt u have legit stores like circuit city. ... or best buy
G Spawn That business model got badged as shovelware.
I hope you make a quick blab vid about this... worth spreading!
Honestly, I think he's got grounds to take this to a higher court and sue Microsoft for fraud.
Didn’t some senator ask the CEO of google questions about his iPhone? Lol
And the google CEO had to explain that his company didn’t make the iPhone 😂
IDIOTS!!
Oh damn I forgot about that lol
Robert Slackware that was pretty great as well. Props to the general that had to say “we don’t anticipate that” with a straight face 😂
that one ranks up there w the dude who thought the Island of guam was going to overturn and capsize due to population growth, and I kid you not.
A judge should have to read up on tech before being qualified to even judge in a case that involves tech
I love the mix of news with Louis' great personality
This is what I subscribed for!! More please!
Judges and politicians still living in the 80s
Doc. Volt well, they're all lizards wearing the skins of wrinkly white old men
I think you have to go back farther than that.
1880s
Judges with money under the table.
Or the USA
i swear Louis would be the best choice of a lawyer representative in any cases related to tech court cases!!!
I was about to say: That's why you choose Linux
Then I remembered: A guy got thrown in jail for distributing open-source software
He lost the appeal? I can't believe that. Such a miscarriage of justice. He got sent to jail based on false testimony and ignorance. This is the issue we face when we have old baby boomers making tech laws and ruling on cases involving things like Facebook and Microsoft products.
This is all the more obvious when you look at the Zuckerberg hearing, where it seems like only a handful of the senators seemed to have any clue how Facebook or computers actually worked. Several of them asked for FB to add features it already had.
What did you really expect? Legal systems in third world countries are very corrupt and run on nepotism. Jobs are going to people with connections and not with actual competence.
Here's the thing, I though the same thing when I first read the headline and a little of the story. However, after reading everything, the government has some legitimate arguments. His issue is that he had the discs faithfully reproduced, including the Microsoft logos. That was his mistake and why this was counterfeiting and not just a case of someone trying to help the community. And he very obviously recreated the discs with the printing and logos because he was trying to sell them for a profit. Everyone is trying to say he was selling them for $0.25, and that was what he said in court, but in his written official response he claims he was selling them for $4 a piece. So what is true? Well, more likely his cost was $0.25 per disc, and he was selling each disc for a pretty nice profit. The $0.25 that is quoted in this video, and most of the news articles, is not accurate. it is not what he was selling them for, he was selling them for $4 each. On top of that, the software on these discs is available for totally free online. If he cared, he'd tell people how to find the downloads, not charge them $4 for a disc.
Now, Microsoft is wrong in claiming the disc is the valued part and the license isn't. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR THAT MICROSOFT IS NOT THE ONE'S SENDING HIM TO JAIL! The federal government intercepted a shipment of his counterfeit dics, the ones where he took the originals that he bought and sent them to china/india to be completely reproduced label and all. The federal government is the ones prosecuting him, they simply asked Microsoft to a witness to help put a value to the discs. Louis attacking Microsoft like it is them that is prosecuting Eric is just another example of Louis being negative anti-business Louis.
And, again, Louis' video focuses on one judge. The appeal court consisted of 3 judges! Not a single old judge, but 3 separate younger judges.
But Eric Lundgren is far from guilt free. Eric Lundgren PLEADED GUILTY! HE. PLEADED. GUILTY.
He pleaded guilty because he knew the tech illiterate court would side with the guys whose job it is to be smooth talkers. If he said 'not guilty' he'd need more backup to help him and he didn't have any.
Bad legislation is not limited to electronics either. DIYBIO suffers and will continue to suffer greatly from the antics of the uninformed. The truism "older and wiser" is becoming archaic - literally.
Can we make a "get this guy out of jail" petition?
uspirg.webaction.org/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=25819&USP4-FWST:SOLIDWSTRED:RIGHTREPAIR-0418&EM5:00C:0GH-CCP
As Louis linked above.
Make a petition at whitehouse.gov heres a link. petitions.whitehouse.gov
Zeke Levin those kind of petitions do absolutely fuck all anyway
If a whitehouse petition gets big enough, Trump might actually pardon the guy
the fact that we're fighting for the "Right to Repair" on top of this insane prison sentence is absolutely ridiculous. If I bought the machine, ill do whatever I damn please with it.
I will make sure to avoid paying MSFT. I will pirate gladly now.
After they de-activated my Windows 11 for swapping fans I'm seriously considering sailing the seas for the OS
So, that is perjury. Sounds like a lawyer should be going to jail to me.
Where is the gofundme, I'd donate 10$ to that quest in a heartbeat. I have never done so previously.
I keep getting distracted by the progressive lag in the infinite series of Louises in the display.
Makes me want some tryptamine
A grade school camera effect. It's more fun to zoom in really close though.....
This case should be sent to the supreme court.
If it's shot down by the 9th circuit court, Supreme court is less likely to want to contest it. Worse, Supreme court trials are crazy expensive. Low average 300k USD and it goes up from there i've heard.
I went years without paying for software. Thank you pirate bay. Lol
PIRATEBAY!!!!
👍🇸🇪🇵🇱🇨🇱🇺🇸
I've been using cracked versions of photoshop and illustrator for 10 years now, I actually feel kinda bad now :/
long live thepiratebay
Microsoft wants to know your location
Where is your rebel base?
Something does not smell right, I will have a 2nd follow up video before Monday.
Louis Rossmann the problem is that he “pled guilty”....
Louis Rossmann I have been having a bit of a look through the articles. The disks were printed and packaged with Microsoft trademarks on. Based on the actual value involved it should have been a civil case but it isn't quite as one sided as it first seems.
Louis Rossmann hes gonna be in jail longer than Cosby
A lot of innocent people plead guilty. Our "justice" system is designed to punish people for resisting incarceration. People who attempt to go to trial almost always serve more time than they would had they accepted the plea bargain. Its extortion to plead guilty.
I think the license for windows in modern computers is built into motherboards, at least in a lot of cases
Can Microsoft be sued for lying in court, under oath? They literally lied about the cost of the CD.
Microsoft pays to lie in court. Can you outbid them?
actually yes they can be prosecuted but most of the time they arent its up to the lawyers decision or the judges decision. you also have to prove they lied intentionally for profit or some type of gain it isnt easy and it costs money which is why many people dont do t
They didn't lie in court. This video was a lie. Please google for more info.
Please elaborate.
When googling, i get conflicting information.
Eric himself said he was selling them for $4. He was CAUGHT selling them for way more than .25.
Stop. Believing. Lies.
I had ZERO respect for Microsoft, now it's even less!
I'd love to meet you one day man. I swear every video of yours I watch, I can relate to, either in personal philosophy or just your "system repairs maneurisms". You seem like a good, logical dude.
I agree this case SHOULD be called a mistrial due to unfair, misinformed (or uninformed) Judge.
We are now in the age of "the user is the product", we, as consumers are bought and sold time and time again. We are living in a continuous commercial that keeps us in a continuing buying cycle. Making products that lock the end user out, forcing them to seek only "authorized repair centers" (monopolizing the repair of that particular item), making the authorized repair centers not easily accessible to everyone and having repair cost close to the cost of a new device, keeps the cycle of consumers (us, the product) on the continued buying cycle and their sales and profits on the rise. It's a sad, sad trend
I often wonder why no-one is questioning why "we", the end user, whose information is being sold for profit, why "we" don't get a portion of the proceeds? Isn't that "my" information, "my" identity, "my" brand"....Where is "our" share of that money? It's "My" product ....Where do we go to file a "cease and desist order" for places selling "me".
Which brings to mind ...we are all being put into human trafficking...it may not be our physical bodies being trafficked, but it is "our" names, identities, likes, habits....all of which are unique to us as an individual.
DrTeddyMMM You don't get a jury for civil court issues in America, because the government doesn't want civilians to exercise jury nullification for things they deem punishable, but the public considers acceptable.
That's because legally you are a corporation. It was created when you were issued a birth certificate and social security number. It's part of the Federal Reserve's scheme of trying to make debt backing the dollar make sense.
Tim Ramich No.
I like how the MS attorney so clearly points out that this case is about dissuading LICENSE piracy. The motivation to prosecute had nothing to do with what the defendant did, but rather how his ruination could be exploited for an unrelated goal. This sort of tactic isn't new, and the people that thrive off of it are disgusting.
Palindromemordnilap Yes. Do some research.
Well looks like I’m going to prison
CB Media ..hope ur cell has windows...
CB Media looks like we're all going to prison for restoring an operating system.
Imperial Fire I'll bring you apples.
Patrick Aubry ...as long as they arent overpriced ( and sour)...thats ok.
I'll take the sour ones I love granny smith's
Amazing person! Big fan! Thank you for your time and your effords!
gotta love the claim of "giving these CDs to people exposes them to malware and security threats" , unlike you know, the actual security flaws in the OS.
Microsoft is a terrible game company.
I feel horrible that something like this can happen to anyone because of some rich companies that need even more money.
they already have plenty
By your definition, there should be a limit to how much money a person/company can make or have? Good thing that isn't an idea shared by many people. Otherwise, most of the products we use would be a version from 1950 instead of the rapid progression of technology that we currently enjoy.
@@brianwilkinson4207 They have plenty of money to do all of that without picking on the little guy. Microsoft probably spent $1M on this case for $0 in damages. Your argument holds no water.
Its not just the money its the control, same as the politicians telling you want you need to eat and do in your life.
This ain’t even making them money anyway....
tbh that feels like a "oh we are out of work for you at the moment. let's not make your very high paying position redundant, because we have more money than we could ever spend anyway, so we'll just make up a job for you that actually costs us more than it benefits the company, but at least you're busy."
i work for an e-waste recycling company... and the hoops we've jump through to please Microsoft is ridiculous.
very early on ( ~ 6 years ago ), we were contacted stating that we were not even allowed to MENTION if the computer even had a COA on it.
not allowed to re-install the OS either; not even allowed to sell a computer with a windows OS installed on it.
we CANT EVEN GIVE AWAY!!! computers with a windows OS installed on it.
instead we have to BUY a $40 REFURB LICENSE, to DONATE COMPUTERS to CHARITIES!
believe it or not, microsoft openly charges EXTRA to charities for reinstalling DONATED computers; there is a whole section for it in their refurb partnership program.
Leave it to Microsoft to squeeze every possible penny. This is almost Comcast level of bs
Disgraceful action by Microsoft!
this is how bill gates makes billions a year then donates them to his own and friends charities win win
Just use Linux...
Just slap some user friendly edition of Linux on it, with all the nice productivity software and Steam preinstalled and call it a day.
I am with you, this is an injustice. One that nobody has with Linux, the Redeemer and Savior of old PCs.
Thank you so much for this! The judge should be pinned down and forced to watch this. Eric is such a key person to renewable energy. This is so upsetting and unjust!
Someone born in the 50s (my grandmother) doesn't know the difference between Linux Mint and Windows 10. My Uncle Tom built the PC that my grandmother used for the last 4 years, and he included Linux Mint. She later bought an HP laptop with Windows 10, and somehow didn't see a difference.
Perjury is a crime, the guy who testified that a license key with a restore disk has the same value as a restore disk should be in prison himself for making false testimony in court.
Lawyer speak. Technically the disc itself still costs the same. That's not too say the license key isn't charged separately.
Switched to Linux last year. Never looked back.
Even Windows 10 Uses Linux.
@@stoatrepublic Actually yes
@tg deen I use linux and I agree the incompatibility of software is a huge pain in the ass. but more and ore software is being made for linux and if I were in your shoes I would start using linux and open source alternatives like blender and stuff. for everything else I would use a VM like virtual box or qemu, there is a small performance hit, but that's the price of freedom I guess.
I love watching your videos. Very informative!! It’s awesome seeing you tell what you doing when your working on the computer. It’s even greater when you talk about something like this. If you didn’t talk about it it would be swept under the rug. Keep on being these things up and we all need to make these companies change their ways.
Was the judge ignorant or corrupt?
This case is such BS.
simply just old
A little from column A, a little from column B....
Probably both.
@Louis... Hi Louis, I was born in 1942, I have been involved with electronics for most of my life, I have been a Microsoft Beta tester for over 10 years, now called Microsoft Insiders, as you will know Windows computers have been digitally signed for a few years so they no longer have a COA label. If someone wants to replace the HDD or change to an SSD and they don't need any data off the original drive or maybe it has been rendered unreadable, all they need to do is download Microsoft's MediaCreationTool on another computer download a legal copy onto a USB Memory Stick, put it into the computer with the new SSD reboot and when it has finished the first time it connects to Microsoft it will re-activate legally..
BTW I watch all your UA-cam and Twitch Videos, I have learnt so much about smd soldering techniques from you, so much that I now own enough equipment to do my own smd work.. I am not interested in repairing mobile phones.
Very best regards, from Ray in North Wales... PS keep up the good work..
How much involvement did you have with Windows Vista
Hi, I had been running XP for many years, I was asked to test Vista sometime in 2006 before its release in 2007, like most early Beta versions I had lots of the dreaded BSOD also no drivers for many peripherals, I was asked by my Radio Ham friends should they upgrade to Vista, I told them not to bother and to stick wit XP. At the time I was still running XP as my main OS, I never really used it as my main OS, it was too unstable. BTW support for Vista ran out April 11 2017..
What are you in for?
I robbed a bank.
I killed someone.
I copied windows recovery cds and sold windows keys that i got from old computers.
I mean piracy is kinda bad. But I see your point. Jail time for this is a bit mad.
Excellent points raised.
Microsoft now makes Windows 7 and above ISOs available FIRST PARTY for free. And they perjur themselves claiming restore discs have MICROSOFT value. I can see the manufacturer having a claim if they wanted to press it, but not Microsoft.
Legendary rant! Few people have a platform and a loud voice. And fewer people use it to speak out against immoral action in defense of the abused. Louis is awesome.
LMAO "taking the music off the iPod and putting it back on the computer"
That recursive image of you in the TV screens with the time lag is very cool
Aren't these licenses paid for already? Microsoft double dipping.
I wanna order a DVD from ms, but i don't have a legal system anymore because they needed two form authentication. CoA/sticker, recipe/buy document, DVD/CD....
It wasn't for profit he gave them away
so if a customer asks me to download an operating system for them and i make them pay not for the operating system but for my Internet witch am paying for is it a crime?
The license for windows transfers if the computer changes ownership, however it is not transferable to resellers and refurbishers. If they want to take your PC and fix it the license is yours the whole time. If they buy it off you to resell the license does not transfer, and the refurbisher/reseller is required to pay $25 for a new license. I think Lundgren would have a case if he didn't plead guilty that the refurbishers were the ones breaking the law, because I believe they could also have had legitimate uses for them such as repairing a computer and returning it to a customer. I'm not sure that Microsoft would be able to prove that though without tracking down every PC and checking the license and chain of ownership so they went with the easier case. Unfortunately, thinking he had it in the bag, Lundgren pleaded guilty but argued the value of the CDs was 0, however he was shipping them to people who could not legally use the free downloads to resell a PC. It's a gray area.
@MaidenAirTM No. Only if he intends to fix it up and resell it. If he is going to use it, the license transfers to him.
There is nothing wrong with not knowing technology. There is something wrong with it being your job to know and not knowing. Technology or not.
Move to Linux and Free and Open source Software! Give your contribution to a better world simply by adopting software promoting freedom!
@@centralintelligenceagency9003 You don't have to enter your password every time to get elevated permissions if you change the setting. You can change Windows to make you enter your password every time you need administrator permissions, the difference between the two is just out-of-box default settings. And installing software on Linux is much easier than on Windows. You can use GUI to install any software, it's just that most people prefer Terminal because it is better once you learn it. You mentioned apt. Linux distributions that have apt also have a GUI package manager called Synaptic. I would suggest using Mint or POP!_OS for you. The things you said about GNU/Linux were valid 5 years ago. r/linux4noobs if you need help.
Central Intelligence Agency I just put linux on a new hard drive I got for my desktop. Took me 15 minutes to download the OS, make the USB installer (which is real easy if you google it, Rufus has a GUI), AND install it on the drive. And then I was able to install steam without even opening a web browser by as you said typing “sudo apt install steam”, although this could’ve been done with a GUI if you prefer. The reason it asks for the password all the time is security, permissions, and keeping you from accidentally doing something really bad. Some of these security features you can tone down, so it won’t ask for your password so often if you really want.
Do you not use gmail because google is neurotic about logging into a new device?
Ex Life True, but we should fix the problem by making it more accessible (much progress has been made in this). If someone can get Windows installed, it should be made just as easy to get Ubuntu installed
Windows does allow to switch operating system between windows linux or Ubuntu . But these linux and ubuntu not meant for gaming like imagine RTX GTX GPU or i9 CPU .
Greetsfuckers3307 - Gaming Main They’re perfectly capable of running games. Problem is that the market share is largest for windows so developers focus on making games for windows
I wonder if all these rich people have read any part of history. Kings heads have rolled... im just saying. Do you want to push us to that point again?
Covid 19 lets rise up and guillotine them
ttragic story... hope that case gets reopened.
telih - Probably won't. Let's face it, the judge probably doesn't even have a Twitter or Facebook account, so only about 1 or 2 people will come up to him and explain things. He won't believe it because he trusts Microsoft because they're world famous, and in the eyes of a senior, that's all you need for trust. We live in a dark world.
Why would it be reopened? He commited trademark infringement by putting protected logos on stuff he used to advertise his own company. This isn't about using free software.
watch the freaking video first
Imrahil he didnt advertise it for his own company omg he was doing something helpful
Imrahil Watch the video first, Jackass.
Does this mean that the automotive industry will start suing people on a massive scale for "inproper use" when using jumper cables on "their" cars since the electrons in the battery no longer are the original installed and subsequently voiding all warranties in a jiffy? 😣
Dont give them ideas
Yup, if you hotwire a BMW it turns into a Toyota!
Put a BMW sticker on a Toyota, you've got yourself a fake BMW!
its why i keep my 1970 chevelle.. you can clearly see what is coming with newer cars.. Onstar etc. anyone? lol
OH HELL NO! You don`t have big labels about messing electrics or even destroying them if you use cables? Here in fakkin Finland when buying a car, make sure it can be powered in because there ain`t no power out anywhere in that kinda cars..... :D when we have -30celsius and modern car wont turn, you call a taxi rather than risk breaking it totally.... GG
I only hope Justice will eventually be served. Excellent video.!👍
My mom still asks me how to send an email. I swear I thought her millions of times
JURY NULLIFICATION!
Maybe she can teach you how to spell in return.
@@noelr1010 taught
I know really old people that can easily explain the difference between the repair disk and an actual licence. It's just the people reviewing the case don't want to spend a few hours to wrap their heads around the concept of licences before making a simple decision. It's just plain old laziness.
This is bullshit. Louis is sadly leaving out information.
Imrahil how do you know?
Thank you for what you do.
I truly like your way of thinking and its good to here from you always. I am sorry that i couldn't subscribe you long time ago 🙏
A lot of comments are saying that he did indeed do something wrong by using their logo. To be clear, I acknowledge at 9:35 in the video that there is an argument to be made that the use of the manufacturer logos is incorrect, and that a punishment could be issued for that. I don't hide this at all.
The valuation of the disc by itself at an equal dollar amount to the disc + product key/license, and issuing punishment based on that assumption is where this turns to shit. This is what I claim he is innocent of, and I believe I am correct in stating that fact.
He never distributed something of equal value to a product key. The sentence of 15 months was given **with the context that the value of the CD was worth far more than it actually was.** The system's failure to distinguish the issue of him using a logo that wasn't his with the issue of distributing product keys/software licenses is a troubling one.
Microsoft's willingness to have their attorneys and expert **lie to a judge about the value of these products** is an issue, as is the judge's **sentencing him based on an inaccurate lie.** Even if you think what Eric did was wrong, even if you dislike his character, the punishment should be based on the crime he committed, and not a made up one. If they are willing to make up a crime to prosecute him and you don't defend him because you disagree with him - someday, it will happen to you.
**TL;DR - rake him over the coals for the misdeeds he took part in, not for the made up ones.**
Louis Rossmann can you help him? Are you gonna do something other then this video? Like talking to bony and Johnny and fix this issue?
You forgot something: windows has now a Media Creation tool that downloads windows 10 to your pc and then you can burn or write to a usb disk to make it installable, also that had Microsoft Digital River (if I remember correctly) where ALL the windows ISO's since W7 are on, just download burn to disk or stick and isntall your copy of windows (You need a key)
yep he sold a fucking C.D.R and the data on it was freeware, its a joke and the judges are too dumb to understand.
basically Microsoft want everyone to buy a new OEM or retail license and not reuse one from a dead PC (a license that has already been paid for and guy is only charging money for the disc)
Well, then I guess all the eBay sellers selling win 7 disks for $10 ought to go to jail too!
Louis Rossmann thank you for the information you have provided here and in your other video posts. I completely concur with you that this is indeed wrong.
It warms my heart to hear Louis mention Dennis Ritchie. May DMR rest in peace.
man you are really worth subscribing to your channel. Respect!
You make your argument perfectly. Well done!!
Everytime I think the American Justice System cannot let me down any further, it happens. Going to share this everywhere I can.
Louis keep up the videos! Really appreciate them.
M$, the best ambassador 4 GNU-Linux Operating Systems!
Thank you for standing up for Eric Lundgren and for doing the right thing!
You're a good human, Louis!
Greedy companies.
This is when you exert power to your advantage.
I once fixed a laptop someone dumped at Goodwill, they picked it up for $20. All I had to do is a simple format and reinstall windows. It's amazing how some people will just toss out a perfectly good system because they don't understand how to do this.
can you replace the keyboard on my Acer then please ? space bar needs a good whack to work...Already changed it twice due to two cockatiels having fun with it...cbf doing it again,just for the space bar.
Do you fix everything that breaks? If not then you do the same with things you don't know how to repair.
Scott Smith:
Just buy from eBay or somewhere a replacement key or even easier, an entire keyboard replacement; search on UA-cam how to replace it, and done.
nambinhvu:
Don't be an idiot. They never claimed to be any expert. They were only speaking about one part of most peoples' lack of computer knowledge and how he was able to very easily fix one problem with computers. Don't be a dick.
And most (even knowledged) people can't fix complex hardware issues unless they 1. designed the product, 2. know how the product works, 3. know how to replace the faulty parts. Most 'tech' people just send the faulty products to the manufacturer to get it repaired or replaced.
nambinhvu That's not particularly true. There is a factor of cost in relation to benefits. If you buy a broken laptop for 20 dollars that is worth 100 dollars in working order, and the process of fixing it would take a dozen hours and several hundred dollars worth of hardware... You would be a moron to repair it, regardless of whether you know how. I personally will fix anything and everything that breaks, so long as the cost of materials does not outweigh the cost to buy a functioning replacement outright. This is true even when the amount of time spent repairing might ultimately not be worth my time. This is because it is also a very relaxing hobby, and it gives great purpose and joy to the person doing the repairing, very similar to the act of creation that brings so much joy to craftsmen. I can admit to having spent stupid amounts of time fixing things that I really should have just gone out and replaced. It's quite a lot of fun googling things, seeking tutorials, hunting for schematics, and doing something you have never done before, especially when you succeed.
Thanks Louis.
That monitor in the background grants this video is some serious inception vibe!!
Jokes apart, it's kinda cool to see how each version of Louis is lagging behind a bit due to the delay of the video equipment ...
We live in a society...
That is fucked
not really, no.... more like controlled anarchy at this point
...where judges know more about software licensing than Louis Rossmann.
We live in a society;-;
This was a life changing realization for me
This was not only a very necessary and important video that needed to be made, but dammit, you nailed it so perfectly. Thanks for your diligence in the right to repair fight and thank you for your awesome videos!
Yeah. Nailed it. By leaving out that the guy was sentenced for trademark infringement. He put protected logos on these disks he had no business putting on there... If those CDs said "Good Guy Windows Repair Disk" nothing would have happened, but he put everything from the Dell Logo to the Windows Logo on there...
This is awesome. Louis is preaching stuff that needs to be heard, AND he's doing it on an infinite amount of monitors behind him lol. Great channel!
Thank you!!!
You should have been an expert witness in the trial.
Microsoft were their own expert witnesses... how is that even legal?
Both sides can call the witnesses they like.
Then I'd call their witnesses liars! ;)
.. and I would say erics whitnesses are his clients and everyday people, who don't have to know everything about technology, but how to install this CD, which is a free and legal download, and not to throw away their perfectly fine Laptops.
He'd call the lawyers a 'fucking dickhead' and be removed 😉😂
Agree with this 1000% man, you hit the nail on the head with this one. Deal with a lot of this in my line of work and can tell you this has been my concern for a while. Glad you're shedding some light on this situation
Well put!
Louis
You are absolutely correct. Counterfeit? Let's go to the checksum....
perhaps someone should sue microsoft for offering counterfeit products on their website.....
Perhaps Microsoft should be sued for selling beta software.
So Microsoft is saying clicking a download link on their website is Piracy? Great world we live in.
No selling said software, that is piracy.
Daniel Lopez Technically, he sold a physical medium that contained the software to people who for whatever reason weren't going to download it themselves. Supposedly, he was selling them for like $5 or something, which is a bit much unless you have to put a bit into manufacture & distribution. Then it about evens out.
It would have helped his case if he'd had links to official downloads on his business site or something.
No. Creating fake Windows discs and selling them is.
Actually funny thing is Apple sometimes hires hackers that hack there products
"fake Windows disks" ... they literally give you the tools to do so. Type in "Media Creation Tool"; it's a tool created and distributed by M.S for free that's sole purpose it to allow you to create restore disks. It is useless if you don't own a license however
Your channel needs to reach more people
Ah, America. You cant reuse old windows licences (probably XP or Vista) but you can buy a semi automatic assault rifle with a drivers license
Business as usual !
OMG, another person who doesn't understand guns, commenting on guns. There is no such thing as an assault rifle, it's just a damn rifle, it doesn't matter what it looks like. There are several other rifles that use the same exact ammunition, that other gun ignorant people would not consider to be "assault " rifles.
Furthermore, If you go to a store and buy a gun, more than your driver's license is required... You have to fill out a federal form, the dealer calls a specific branch of the FBI, who do a background check and decides whether or not you can have a firearm. This happens at EVERY SINGLE STORE WHO SELLS FIREARMS IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES.
LOL If you dont like your mac you can just put a jumper wire on the motherboard and turn it into a PC HAHA
LMAO
MICROSHAFTED!
Isn't Microsoft dying?
micro rip off, remember when billy stole dos? that was funny.
Microsoft transcends... P.S. microshaft: ua-cam.com/video/-lyfqUDFe0A/v-deo.html
Been harboring that one for a while, haven't you?
Indeed. I think we have been subjected to a "comment bate for aficionados. ((:
Please get this on the news!
That is outrageous. I am a former A+ and Microsoft certified and I swear I am glad I don't push their OS or hardware one iota which I was doing in using it of course I was familiar with it so I inadvertently was pushing it. I despise the unethical behemoths Microsoft and especially Apple. I could kiss you for doing what you do. No one else is doing anything about it. Keep doing it. Sam
The legal/administrative/government systems are like 100 years behind. Always.
This is why we need term limits for all politicians.
Yes, first term in office, next term in prison...
If you become a politician, you should have your hands and feet cut off. The price you pay for holding a position of power. That'd scare away some of these power hungry fucks
grumpiebrown Yes, You must stand again for re-election, if re-elected, straight to prison.
As well as tests or something to validate their understanding of what their doing and some sort of conflict of interest thing so that politicians can't vote on laws that would indirectly make them money through big corporations taht are paying them to push said laws
Yes
I like the mime in the background :)
I guess one way of doing the same thing is to setup a computer in a store with instruction on how to download the legal image and burn it and then charge for it after the customer has burned the disc. I don't like the way manufacturers are heading these days. Repairshops exists because people are not interested in purchasing official repairs which in many cases would be the same as buying a new device. It's so great that you point this out, so people can see why they should stay away from these companies