Watchmen Director's Cut - Hollis Mason's Death
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This piece of cinema is too magnificent to have to pay to see. This is the death of Hollis Mason, aka Nite Owl I, which was cut from the theatrical cut because it hindered the pacing. However, here it is in glorious HQ. A hugely emotional piece of cinema, the icing on the cake from this amazing film.
Here's the music: Cavalleria Rusticana - Intermezzo:
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Did you notice, how during their phone call, we never see their faces directly (either blurred or not shown), just their photographs as young Hollis and Sally? It's because they don't know each other as old people, they just have their memory from the past. It's a really nice little touch.
Just like the comic.
The biggest tragedy here is that this scene did not make the theatrical cut. Steamroller of emotions.
In the theatrical cut, it just showed all the long ass sex scenes. Ultimate edition was amazing though. Still wish Owlman got his revenge in some scene.
@@eternalblessing4984 WB executives are a cancer to their films.
@@eternalblessing4984 you mean niteowl? Lol
uuuh #releasethesnydercut?
It probably wasn't in on account of the lousy acting in the scene previous
The old man still stood his ground.. a true warrior
Old man or not, he was a fighter for his entire life. When fighting is what you're trained for, fighting is what your body is going to do.
A true hero
@@erik7923 to his last breath a true hero and a good Man
the scene missed the point of the comic, it made the minutemen seem like good guys in the movie
He was being distracted by his own flashbacks on his past,it was his strength at the beginning but it was also his downfall at the end.
The way Moloch shows up at the last second, as if Hollis is imagining that it is all just an illusion and everything is going to be okay, actually breaks my heart.
The only one he couldn't beat. Moloch.
Or maybe that, he's fine with being killed if it meant he was defeated by a villain... but he hates the idea of being done in by a pack of thugs.
I always saw it more as like, it never mattered to him who he fought, they were all the same bad guys when you got down to it
I think what it was, was Hollis being forced to nakedly face his old age and his limits. Surrounding him on all walls are mementos from the prime of his life as a hero, displaying his immense pride and nostalgia, but also, his homesickness for that era. Undoubtedly wishing he could just snap back into it again. He loves hanging out with Dan because it makes him feel active and re-connected to it. When the punks bust in, it's his version of the alley scene where Dan and Laurie get cornered by muggers and excitedly beat the shit out of them to taste the old days. In fact, they even belong to the same gang, the Knot Tops. Except, unlike Dan and Laurie, Hollis' time to be that person again really is up. As he fights, he flashes back to his conquests as that powerful young man he misses, only to be snapped back by the painful blows being delivered to him in reality. The last one he thinks of, while he's laying on his back after finally being beaten to the floor, is Moloch. The one person that he could never beat even in the height of those glory days. The face of his limits.
I always assumed this was an editorial error, and they just got two scenes mixed together, but couldn't be bothered to undo it
There's something that this scene tells us that I haven't seen anyone to talk about (maybe someone did, but just haven't read that comment). When they are talking through the phone, they never appear on focus or just extreme close ups and inserts of a part of their bodies. That's because we are in their perspective and both haven't seen each other in so long that they can't really have a whole concept on how they look now. So they just have the memories (the shots to all the old pictures, etc, which are on focus).
I honestly don't remember if that's in the novel but here was amazingly well carried.
wow thnx for pointing this out, i noticed something like that but after reading your post it makes sense now :)
BigBadCiviC no problem :)
yes this is exactly like that in the novel
@@danielaherrera6817 los shonens se puede resumir en hay que vencer a un malo y salvar al mundo solo que aveces con diferentes variaciones y profundidades igual que los comics los otros magas con géneros distintos si son diferentes asi como los comics de otros géneros pero si es cierto que por desgracia están sumamente opacados por los de súper héroes aunque no todos son de números infinitos. yo espero que cuando acabe la era de los héroe vengan mas géneros a tomar su lugar y el primer súper héroe no fue el murciélago dorado sino uno argentino llamado Potoruzu de 1909 en todo lo demás estoy de acuerdo pero me parece mal encasillar a los dos diciendo que son genéricos en su totalidad.
@@danielaherrera6817 bueno como quieras
This scene is so poetic its shows the young man stuck in an older man's body. He still fights how he used to when he was young and sees the fight like his old one's in the flashbacks, when he was younger he could of beaten them street thugs and gives a few good clean shots but is sadly over come
Exactly what I take from it and it makes the scene so much sadder for me.
In real life, he'd have knocked them out with those punches. Boxers' grip strength is not effected much with aging. Some 70 year-old retired boxer can fight against 2-3 young men. You can look it up.
@@coal2710 lol what a load of horseshit. a 70year old geezer cant do much against a young averagely athletic guy. esepcially not if it's a streetfight with no rules. even more especially so if it's vs 5 thugs. you're delusional if you think otherwise.
"You fight like a young man, with nothing held back. Admirable but mistaken."
@@charlestonobryant807 You adopted the dark... I lived in it... molded by it...
Love the flashbacks in the scene. Pure masterpiece
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Indeed!
I think the last flashback is suppose to be a young Moloc
God Snyder firm
The first flashback made me so excited the first time I saw this. Now it breaks my heart every rewatch. 😭
The truly sad part is that Hollis Mason was likely suffering from PTSD, which is probably why he's still able to fight the way he does. He never put his heroing days behind him, and probably wanted to die while on duty. But instead, his flame is non-ceremoniously snuffed out in his senior years while in his mind he replays his glory days.
Idk Ebert, I think he was just channeling his former superhero skills and abilities to protect himself from those intruders. Snyder was just jerking us all off by referencing how great he used to be, but then old age set in
@@booqrdoit9138 I think we just said the same thing, but I said it better.
Me siento triste por su muerte, era un buen hombre, muy bueno para ese mundo de mierda creo yo.
@@PatanjaliTaylor aw hey, I think you said it better too!
This feels more like sentimentality than PTSD.
I will never not cry watching or reading this part. As unfair and senseless as it was, he went out like a champ.
Softie.
@@Hsaelt woah, we got a badass over here.
@@darthpyrrhus2134 you have a comic book cartoon pfp and a star wars name. Nerd are you 5? Stfu about being badass 😭😂🤣
@@Hsaelt man you post videogame tribute videos and medieval fantasy animation, stop acting like it's any different. Acting all hard and shit lmao.
@@darthpyrrhus2134 so you're telling me that making animations is the same as building your online identity around media designed for kids?
Haha?
"In the end, the world didn't really need a 'superman'... Just a brave one."
God in my opinion: We all have a superhuman within us and even our superman is looking over us all. He's has and always will love us and guide us even when he created Adam and Eve.
RIP Dan Turpin
@@ericsantana1184 half yes half no
@@jesusnthedaisychain amen brother. He was a good man
@@jesusnthedaisychain *Jack Kirby, Turpin character design was inspired by the King in Superman TAS.
The way the scene ends with the trophy spattered in blood and the words "in gratitude." (Ingratitude) genius. Absolutely genius. The whole scene. The whole movie. Wow.
The book was way better.
shut up bro. let us enjoy.@@yoshidinono8095
Lol the only good scenes from the movie (such as this one which got cut) are directly lifted from the comics. Even the images and the exact camera angles are directly ripped off, panel to film adaptation.
Then every single change they made to it ended up making the film worse.
This film is not a masterpiece. It’s a flaming pile of shit that managed to steal a few good scenes from arguably the best book of all time, then butchered everything else.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 Well no shit it was gonna steal a bunch of scenes from the comic, it’s an adaptation moron. I swear either they shoot the whole movie as an entirely different vision and fans hate it, or they make the most faithful adaptation of a comic book ever (down to the camera angles, dialogue, and specific recreations of panel frames) and fans hate it. Make up your fucking minds already, the fact that someone even put so much effort into a movie about a franchise you love and didn’t change the entire vision so they could stay faithful should make you happy, but fans never are because they’re a miserable group of nerd assholes.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124That's what an adaptation is
Something is just so satisfying with the way Zack directs kinetic scenes, that fist catch looks so epic. You can feel the impact, you can feel Hollis' strength and speed in his old age, you can feel that if he was younger he would have folded these kids clothes with them still in it. It really looks like how an aged crime-fighter would go out, he's burdened by his body but he gets flashes of his muscle memory that kicks in and overrides his age, you even get a sense of hope for a little bit, but it's ultimately futile because he's too old.
Its literally shot for shot like that in the graphic novel. For this and 300, he did nothing original except fix the ending of this one and make 300 worse. Its a great scene, yes, but he didnt write it. The only difference being in the graphic novel, they kill his dog too.
@JustRelaaaxASMR I mean you gotta give credit where it's due. If nothing else, Zak is really good at adapting comic books to film even if it's not "original" or always faithful to the source material, that's still a noteworthy talent.
@@filmdude9970 I just don't think he should get any credit for depicting anything here. It was the exact same in the graphic novel. Down to the poses and the angle from the floor with the trophy on the ground. Accuracy is one thing, but anyone with a budget can work with a set designer and cinematographer and copy a thing shot for shot. The most talented crew on the team are the costume and set designers. Every line of dialogue is almost ripped straight from the pages. I like the movie, but you get the exact same experience from the graphic novel, except there, you get more of it.
@@filmdude9970 I got a crashed and burning DC brand to answer your claim here.
@@JustRelaaaxASMR "make 300 worse" i dont understand! worse than what? did your mom also make a movie adaptation of 300?
I personally like to the think Watchmen represents why the real world doesn’t deserve heroes
Edit: I’ve reread Watchmen and understand the themes a lot better since I’ve made this comment when I was 17 and realise it’s a commentary on how superheroes are flawed individuals with a lot of power and psychological short comings. Can people stop commenting the same thing, it’s annoying.
Blurry Blur That's their whole idea - our world simply doesn't need heroes.
Olek_Gannon those people are called 'terrorists'.
You meant to say "labeled as Terrorists."
Alex Curr
Stop using that word when you dont even know its Definition for fucks sake
Just take a look at the real heroes, from Newton to Churchill to Gandhi, many people nowadays digging up their past mistakes and demonize them. Well, it's one thing to make us re-think our perception of historical figures. It's another thing to intentionally make them look evil by overestimating their wrongdoings and despising the good deeds they have done.
Overall though, the modern world doesn't seem to want heroes. People in the past seem to have many heroic figures and we have almost none over the last 50 years or so. Some people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk are trying to be heroes and actively promote themselves as such, but the rest of the world ignore them.
I think this scene symbolizes the death of traditional Superhero stories, and the replacement of modern 'Dark' stories.
I agree.
No the scene represented the growing paranoid and desperate build-up of that point in the book. Time was given to the original minutemen and sometimes it got even darker than comics today dealing with topics such as homophobia which was rare for something to go over in the mid 80's.
Mmm, no, I agree with birdman631. This symbolizes the end of the Golden and Silver Age as well.
ArkenVerse stop reading his comments of you don't like them. We're on the internet and people will express how they feel about something whether you like it or not.
Agreed
He’s so badass, he didn’t give a single fuck that’s he’s old and a gang sshowed up at his door, he still decided to kick ass and didn’t even beg for them to stop at any moment. What a legend 🙏🏼
In the comic book hollis never punched the gang only remenber his golden moments during the figth
@@matiascamayo9070
Yeah, I actually prefer the movie version of this scene. It's more realistic that he would get overwhelmed quickly, but this one where he's actually imagining himself fighting his Rogue's gallery one last time before going down is actually beautiful.
@@matiascamayo9070 actually if you notice there are word bubbles in the flashback panel implying that he and his dog attacked the gang and got a few punches in.
even without the context of the film this scene moves me to tears
Just in case you ever decide to check it out, keep in mind it Dosent appear in the "Normal" cut of the film
This part made me sad but happy he stood his ground
Breaks my heart every time the music suddenly stops 3:08
The past hurts always always hurts why do good things always happen in the past and now it's drill music and murder
I always tear up when I look at this scene. In the comic Mason was completely powerless and his death was downright haunting, so even if it ultimately doesn’t change anything, it’s really cathartic to see him able to fight back a bit.
I always regarded this scene as Nite Owls last stand for just a moment he went back to his glory days, specially how he sees moloch delivering the final blow, going out fighting supervillains, ended how he thought or would have liked to end. Very touching scene.
And this is why Rorschach does the things he does. It would have been nice to have included a bonus scene of him systematically breaking the arms and legs of all those guys after this, rather than just the one guy in the bar.
Doctor Doom nope, night owl and silk specter killed some of them and crippled the others in the alleyway fight scene
That would've been great, except it wasn't in the book. Rorschach tells Daniel that if they find out who did it, that Daniel could have his revenge in a weird attempt to comfort him.
but theres a really big problem with that. If the book or movie did that, it would've taken a side, which the book never did. the whole point of these characters is to decide who the lesser of the evils is and when you pick a side, you remove that grey area with characters.
@@edkruse9541 well it kinda already did that by still having the alleyway fight scene be as brutal as it was. Not much graphic violence or gore really until the squid in the comic which is what really made it so visceral.
That being said I still really loved the movie and appreciate it for what it was. I wish they kept this scene in the theatrical release.
The comic was meant and designed to be read only as a comic.
@@vdoza33 true
Hollis never wanted to give up the superhero life. His body just got old. That is apparent since Dan and Hollis met together every week to talk hero stuff.
It's kind sad that Mason was one of the few members who aren't involved in any corruption and died a horrible death but still fought his way.
Wait? Hollis Mason wasn't a morally corrupt hero? I knew he was different than everyone else, but I didn't know he lacked the flaws that the other heroes had 💯.
@@Z3ROMyth Hollis was a good man, only thing he could’ve done better is show Comedian not to get bitter and let his experience of the world define him but he called the kid a crook for robbing criminals when he was starving on his own, Hollis thought morality worked how it was supposed to good things happen to good people, Eddie wasn’t evil when they met he was an increasingly psychotic kid and they pointed him at criminals he hated owl because he knew he was a cop and cops used to beat on him they could’ve been Bruce and Jason but Hollis was biased and Eddie was unstable, the era they lived in both went overlooked until it was too late only Dollar bill understood where Comedian was coming from he would stop and be like “you have to treat people with a little respect so they know to show you respect” and Eddie would even listen to him most of the time it’s sad to think when the comedian was expelled Hollis got mad when he questioned their morality because he was thinking the same thing only comedian now a woman beater was the only one with the courage to say it outloud
"You cant turn back the clock, but you can rev up the engine one last time"
Hollis went out like an absolute champ, held his own even when he was outnumbered and ultimately overpowered. By killing Hollis, those thugs released hell upon themselves in form of Dan(Nite Owl ||) and Laurie(Silk Spectre ||), that alley fight scene was incredibly brutal and just so goddamn satisfying, broken bones everywhere. Anyway, amazing movie and such a bittersweet scene.
The fight scene in the alley happened before Hollis Mason's death which it being so brutal completely ruined what the scene was supposed mean. I don't think you should compliment the violence of this movie, not because of it's not kid friendly, but because having so much violence just desensitizes you to it so that by the end of the of the movie watching someone die makes you feel nothing. The one scene supposed to be filled with pools of blood and stacks of bodies is the climax that the entire book was building up to with no prior graphic violence besides minor blood making it powerful seeing the disgusting aftermath with some of the dead being characters you got a chance to connect to, and guess what? The scene in the movie is bloodless without a single body in sight and no time given to the victims. You shouldn't praise senseless violence and say it makes a movie great. I'm pretty sure you may not have read the book but I recommend you should pick it up. The book was made to be unadaptable so it did a lot of what the movie couldn't like the book was actually good while the movie couldn't even get that right.
I eat ass seems like you missed the point, source material is usually way better than anything produced afterwards, I really like this movie, you may not and those are just opinions, nothing more. Have a good day.
Lardreye hey I know you mean about opinions that's why I just stated my opinion... -_- Plus anything can be better than the source material if handled with respect or even do things the book couldn't do instead of being a poor imitation. Even if I wasn't comparing this to the book I wouldn't really enjoy this film because Zack Snyder's work was always full "symbolism" but it feels like he doesn't even know what a scene supposed to mean. Just my opinion nothing more.
ArkenVerse bet my guy.
ArkenVerse stop what exactly? -_-
This is sad and beautiful
He went out fighting like he did in his glory days
Must have felt amazing to him
Better than dying of old age in my opinion
With the warm tone of Sally's voice fresh in his mind
@@Nico-pg7qr and I bet that he was more happy to know that the legacy will continue in the hands of the right generation
@@Nico-pg7qr 😃
he’s an old man who was beaten the shit out of how tf would that feel amazing??
@@att1tude__ its better than waiting around to die
The worst thing is that the thugs DIDN’T EVEN GET THE RIGHT NITE OWL, they talk about how Nite Owl worked with Rorschach, but that’s Nite Owl ll. They even say when they’re breaking in “Shoulda stayed in retirement Owl”, but they’re clearly talking about Nite Owl ll, but instead they go after the delightful old man just trying to reminisce on his Prime. It’s a damn shame
The dodge and speed of that right hook was amazing af
Get’s annoying how Snyder’s films always get edited by the clowns running the studios when a Snyders’s original vision is always a better version of the movie.
Exacta
I mean you can’t release a 3 hour long movie and expect it to be profitable in theatres, the theatrical cut is incredibly long as it is, adding an extra 24 minutes or whatever it is would mean it would have no chance to make money
Because Lord of the Rings is actually well written and had a competent director behind it
Are you not paying attention dumb ass? Snyder is a competent director. Wathcmen, BvS Ultimate Edtion, Man of Steel. He is more than competent dipshit. Go fuck yourself.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 Can you explain what problems you had with Snyder's work on watchmen because to me this is the perfect adaptation.
powerful scene, too bad it was cut from original.
Ikr!
The extent edition is IMO a superior movie.
Emrod82 all snydercuts are superior
@@kluneberg8952 this aged well
The more the years pass. The more relevant the Watchmen Movie becomes
A movie released ahead of its time.
Even Christopher Nolan told Snyder this film was ahead of its time and released too soon.
As in?
People will like the more mainstream watered down children friendly and soulles marvel movies over original concepts like Watchmen every time, I dont see it changing any time soon sadly
Don't you guys know this story was written in the 80s, during the Cold War? It was a lot more relevant back then.
Nobody here gets the point of the scene.
To him, crime fighting was just something theatric and fantastic. Only to realize in the end that these people were genuinely evil and ruthless. It's actually kind of tragic because it showed that the world evolved into something darker.
Yes, and it also pushes the main theme of the Watchmen story. The point that this "crimefighting" ordeal is actually serious, there's real violence and consequences to it. It's not merely a game or a sport, it is the use of violence in order to achieve peace. Makes you think about the typical superhero movies where they take this concept for granted.
That's not the point of the scene. Hollis Mason was a cop, he knew crime. The theme highlighted here is simple. The young eat the old. Queue the Bob Dylan intro.
Just a Burger All this Guys... Moloch, Captain Axis, Etc. Were truly dangerous... they were not a joke or sonething “theatrical”
I disagree,but I like the interpretation. Personally I see this scene more as the death of the only true hero in the Watchmen universe. All the others had massive faults or hidden agendas, but Hollis survived and somehow wasn't driven insane. The brutality and cruelty of this scene mixed with the powerful nostalgia is meant to be sad and frustrating, not because he's a delusional actor of some kind, but because he was the exact opposite. He takes the punches but just can't keep up anymore, and is beaten to death by am immortalised image of his heroics, a connection to the misunderstanding the thugs have in attacking him in the first place. When the music swells, we expect him to fight back and win because we know he's the only real hero left, but that's the exact reason he has to die, exactly in this manner.
the only one who gets it. He is sooo special...
I really like this scene, in some ways, more than the book. And this is coming from somebody who sees the book as gospel, hating any changes. But damn, seeing Mason holding his own against these goons, instead of just being brutalized, feels good. Someone said that, in the movie at least, this scene represents the death of the golden and silver age of heroes in exchange for the bronze age. And I have to agree. They went out with a fight but they still went out.
Batfreeze come on dude there's loyalty and there's stupidity anybody with a right mind an a perfect eye sight could easily see that zack Snyder's watchmen was way motherfuckin badass and straight to the point nothing left out except that dumbass stupid monster at the end I feel that the bomb was way more effective and,zack did it good Justice
I don't think I made it clear enough. I really liked the movie. It's as close to a perfect comic to screen adaptation of Watchmen as we're going to get. I like the movie for different reasons than the book. Also, I think that the monster is only stupid if you look at it from today's standards and in comparison to other monsters. Like, if you saw a phallic looking monster pop up in New York City and kill everyone in Manhattan, it wouldn't look so stupid. It's also got history behind it, the whole book is building to that monster. Look at the book, earlier chapters show sketches of the monster and the Black Freighter alludes to the monster.
Batfreeze very welll said. Agree
If you'll look you'll see there's no way the thug got the right leverage on the award to inflict a lethal injury. he should have swung it instead of using a stabbing motion.
SiliconBong what do you mean? He pulled back and slammed it in a 60 year old plus man's face. After they already punched and kicked him a dozen times. 3 shots to the head with a blunt object. Yeah he's dead.
In the end I think mason was at least satisfied with the fact that in his old age he at least had the strength to stand and face the end rather than be helpless. Sure he took a trophy to the face but he fought back. Looking at it from an old Bruce Wayne type perspective I think I'd be OK with that too
A old bruce wayne would would have beat them all
Okay
They were going to kill him... If he used his head and used the trophy he would have stood a chance... naah... who am I kidding... he's dead.
This was actually beautiful yet tragic.
Hollis Mason gave it all he got and put up a fight until he lost.
Thought this scene was much more meaningful then the comic book.
Imagine what he could have done to those bastards when he was in his prime
He would have turned them into monks after he was done with them.
Or, imagine what he could have done if he still train himseld on the old days
Kids : Mr Mason, what happened ?
Mr Mason : Nothing, just a bunch of idiots who thought they could robber an unarmed old man.
Who else smiled with a tear in their eye when he caught his fist and stood up?
Back in the day, in my mind's eye, I chose a different actor to play Hollis Mason: Adam West.
Imagine the impact of watching HIM of all people beaten to death by a bunch of punks. It would have made the scene even more powerful, if you ask me.
Damn that Sounds like it would've been a damn good Idea
STNeish God that would've broken my heart!
Wow..
STNeish no Adam west was literally the satirical version of Batman. He would have ruined this character
That would've been brutal....but edgy. That may have driven more traffic to the film....possibly.
The piece used is called "Rusticana Cavalleria." Good stuff.
Ryle Master opera by Mascagni.
To be precise, the Intermezzo from Cavalleria Rusticana. If you are wondering if you have already heard it in another stellar movie, it might be in the third movie of The Godfather.
Shame this version isn't on the OST CD (which I own).
Such an awesome piece of music. Not only is it perfectly used here, but also in Raging Bull and The Godfather: Part 3
Michael Corleone screaming with immense grief over the death of Mary in The Godfather 3 introduced me to this fantastic score.
He went down fighting a true hero to the last breath.
For those wondering the villains in the flashbacks are
Captain axis at 2:21
Mobster at 2:38
Spaceman at 2:42
Moloch at 3:00
Yes those are there names
That "Moloch" guy is so obviously Sargon the Sorcerer.
In my opinion this film is Zack Snyder’s Masterpiece
X2 is my Favorite , also Snyder Cut ❤
better directors than Zack have gone their whole careers without creating a masterpiece as good as this. Zack should be proud of it even if he never makes another movie again.
This scene gets me misty eyed. Just him going through flashbacks of his glory days til that deadpan stare accepting that the final blow is coming.
underated comment
This scene is art
With the music and the flashbacks, it makes me cry 😢
Honestly I hate but love this scene. Not because it’s a bad scene, god no. But because how much it makes me tear up. Hell made me call my grandparents just for to let them know I love them. Honestly it’s a beautiful scene, an old man who reminisces over his golden years and wishes to fight in them once again, but his body fails him yet his mind doesn’t. Christ, making me tear up again. I gotta make a call.
This movie aged like fine wine.
Ah 'in gratitude, in/gratitude', I see what you did there. Clever, clever.
Chase Paul No, there's no trick. In the comic, that statue seems like in the film.
Gilberto Munguía I meant the trophy, a gift commemorative to Hollis and his old days fighting for street peace becoming "ingratitude", and became a murder weapon by street hoodlums. "In gratitude" became in-gratitude. The opposite meaning, I was only remarking on that bit of macabre icon and word play.
I can't tell if you caught my point on that but I assumed it was easy to note. Not trying to offend or anything.
Chase Paul you don’t need to apologize to that other guy for being an idiot and incapable of grasping the clever word play.
You like the smell of your own farts
The irony of the quote on the statue of Night Owl. It was given to him in gratitude for his years in service and in his last moments that same item was used to give him ingratutude.
The best gift that a fanatic of Watchmen can have.
2:59
This world is so dark, that he is comforted by the thought of one of his old rivals killing him.
Comedian does the same thing when he turns to his nemesis in his time of need.
None of the heroes in the movie can face the world they live in, which is a big reason they all fell from grace so badly.
When your worst times in life are also the best times of your life, it leaves very little to live for in the future.
Owl probably coped the best out of the old heroes, but he still chose to avoid society in his retirement.
Lived and died not just a man but a hero always fighting evil even years after his prime
This one scene contains so many different clever directing/editing techniques: the faded, out-of-focus shots of Hollis and Sally with their old portraits and paraphernalia in-focus, suggesting that they do not exactly know what each other looks like now, after so much time has passed; Hollis's little smirk just before he decks the first thug; the flashback punches with "glory days" camera flashes just before each blow connects; Hollis's boxing stance (all three showing he still fights and thinks like a young man, despite the out-of-focus shots and senility joke showing that he is definitely past his prime); the shattered Minutemen portrait; the little statue of young Nite Owl getting pulled off of the "Under the Hood" book, as if to say: "He's been unmasked; things aren't going to be the way they used to be."; Hollis seeing Moloch, the only flashback where the hero doesn't win, and it isn't one of Moloch's visions this time; that tear-jerking face; the triumphant music stopping just as he dies; and, of course, the statue saying "In Gratitude". This is an adult film, not because it contains sex and violence, but because it contains scenes like this. This could have been a short film, without any other context, and it still would've said everything it meant to say, brilliantly. So, with all that said, I have only one question: Why was this cut!
I can’t believe this is the first time I’ve seen this scene. Sucks they cut it that was great.
Possibly the greatest comic book adaptation ever made by the most under rated comic book director played by an amazing ensemble of under rated actors. This is the Godfather of all graphic novel films along the lines of Road to Perdition and Logan.
Eric J... the hackless wonder.
wildevil 😂😂🤣
Eric J no he's correct watchmen is an incredible movie that's as much of as a classic as any movie from the 80's that's gained classic status
eric bj Nah, you just fail at everything you poor boy.
wildevil Most comic book readers would tell you that this movie is hardly a worthy and good adaptation of the novels, but I personally liked it. That said, I have so say that those people do have a point. I think the movie is so good, despite the fact it's an underwhelming adaptation, because of the source material. The source material was such a masterpiece that no matter how unfaithful the adaptation might be, if given proper though to production it would still be good.
Probably the best scene Snyder has ever directed. Alongside the musical intro
I think this scene symbolized reality vs. fantasy. In fantasy heroes punch the bad guy and save the day, in reality they get their head caved in
Died like a true warrior
"YOU TELL YOUR FRIENDS THEY'RE DEAD!!!!"
Daniel, not in front of the civilians.
They all need to be destroyed and be made aware they are idiots for not knowing the difference...
The song is Cavalleria Rusticana by pietro mascagni for anyone wondering.
You gotta admit, Hollis did what very few of us in life will ever get to do: He went out the way he lived.
This scene seeing his old enemies makes me really wants a Minuteman T.V. series. Also seeing this made realize why I love the Golden Age comics and really wished that they would get more love.
Death of the comic book golden age era. Gone but not forgotten.
The second it happens, he goes into fighting mode. This is a REAL man 🫡
Went out reliving his best moments. We should all be so lucky
Here (03:15), this scene has two meanings:
a) In Gratitude to a former hero who has protected the city.
b) Ingratitude to a former hero who has protected the city and was brutal killed years later.
This scene always made me cry
"in gratitude" Snyder knew what he was doing with this movie......such an underrated movie.
restore the Snyderverse
One of the best scenes in comic book movies perfectly symbolises two eras. Hollis and Sally being in the golden age, in the days of the rocketeer, phantom and Adam Wests batman. When the adventures served to entertain children and being filled with homemade costumes and moustache twirling villains. But those days are gone. Now they have to face the new horrors of the world. Being filled with violence, death and creulty. the only reward he got in the end was his statue. Representing how his heroics were ultimately responsible for his death
Such grace. Both the strangest and saddest thing about this is how well it is directed--so many nice visuals, economic cuts, and incorporation of score--it shows how good Zack Snyder can be. Why he has never lived up to the potential shown in this film is a real mystery.
Although I do love this scene, like much of the film, I find this to be yet another example of the movie ALMOST capturing a scene from the book perfect. But they got it wrong in a very small way.
In the book, the knot tops who killed Hollis were all fucked up on something called "Katies". And they realize almost immediately after killing him that they went after the wrong guy.
In the movie they seem fully aware they're beating up an old man to death.
That's a good insight. It is the difference between polarized evil and humanity who has done wrong. Some folks above took solace in the fact that these guys died in the attack on New York, but outside of this scene they certainly did something good in their life, whether it be buying their mother flowers or helping their little brother finish their homework. We can't view people in black and white, and that is a point that the graphic novel understood...and why Rorschach was, ultimately, not a sympathetic character.
@@roguishpaladin you remember that these dudes almost did the same to the boy reading the comics on the street too, right? Whatever they are, they aren't no more when they decided to follow such path like this one that lead them right there in beating a dude to death
It's like Hitler, whatever young boy who loved animals and paintings, isn't the same person anymore when he choose to plan the deaths of millions of people and put such plans in motion. Evil is like a croop, it's grows and evolves, in the end wich degree it is, doesnt matter anymore because what you seed give fruit already, what is done can't be undone.
Snyder is just a nihilist, he deliberately butchers the source material to justify his own cynicism. A true hack.
@@AimForMyHead81 okay crybaby
@@roguishpaladin ah yes, he bought flowers for his mother, that excuses the murders and likely daily criminal activity from being in a street gang.
Some comments saying its PTSD which is why he's seeing flashbacks.
I say its literally his mind knowing its time to or about to die.
As the saying goes - "--life flashed before their eyes."
A hero of the Golden Age getting one last hurrah before reality sets in.
Original Nght Owl is the closest Watchmen gets to the claddical idealistic Superhero.
I believe this is the same music was also used in Raging Bull during the boxing scenes. This movie used music in a way or never really seen in other comic book films.
About a couple of months ago I discovered this scene exists, and I found it beautiful, the use of the Cavalleria Rusticana, the smirk in Hollis Mason's face, the way he sees his past enemies, god. Why studios always mess with the director's visions?
The weird part about this scene is the gang going their in the first place. They thought he just broke someone out of a maximum security prison. Why'd they think they had a chance?
I can’t stop crying after that 😭😭😭
You pussy.
This was one of the hardest sequences in the comics for me.
Yeah, one of the few times I cried from reading comics. It just pissed me off soo much. He and his dog simply didn't deserve that.
Imagine marvel does something like this with Tobey Maguire in a morales movie 15-20 years down the line, the reactions would be a mix of tears, anger, and shock
You'd have people complaining about it being 'woke'.
@@Hifuutorian -because it would be.
Nah, that would actually be disgusting. Even Disney and SONY aren't dumb enough to do THAT.
@@OpinionParade I'm sorry about your brain damage.
I'd love to see a Minutemen movie based on their origins and what their legacy became to the importance of the Watchmen and the true legacy that the Watchmen will never have be passed on to the right generation.
in the midst of the everyday comic book movie we need another watchmen asap.
Rafael Artiga Doomsday Clock. Nuff said
The character designs for watchmen were so fucking cool!! Fishbowl man, and then Arabian magician or something lol so old school
3:07 holy shit that was brutal the sudden cut of music really brought a gritty realism to this scene
Holy shiy this scene reads on so many different levels, I like the subtle nods like how the guy that knocks him out for good was seen as a flashback to the archenemesis of them all, Moloch the mystic or the fact that in the end the trophy reads in gratitude but also ingratitude
The saddest part isn't that Hollis got killed. He wanted to go out swinging rahter than dying slowly as an old man. The saddest part will be Daniel's guilt when he realizes those losers went after Hollis because they thought he was the Nite Owl they had a biff with.
This is one of the saddest yet beautifully executed death scenes in movie history.
2:33 watchmen comicbook in the background
Nice omage
That's great!
It makes no sense for it to be there though.
@@thecrimsonghostakathefiend7508 it makes perfectly sense actually lol
@@konanelbarbaro1221 not really but okay
@@thecrimsonghostakathefiend7508 cool
This was in the Watchmen Ultimate cut. Its a 3+ hour cut of the movie. I've watched the theatrical version, but can't really tell you all of the differences since after the Ultimate version was released it was the only version I watch anymore.
This is the reality of heroes if this was real life... If they can't be killed at their prime, they will be killed in their old age...
This scene is a masterpiece, the cinematography is fantastic
The Watchmen are becoming relavent alot more these days because this film was way ahead of it's time, now we don't notice it but it's normal to watch a movie like this and all we need is a great director like Zack.
He's a phenomenal director and a good screenwriter 💯. Snyder has always been ahead of the his time, incredibly impactful and influential.
Comedian, and Hollis must have been bad ass especially back in the day. To be as old as they were and putting up such a fight against their opponents shows how bad ass they still were(and still are). Makes me think if there was to be a comic about a old future Ozymandias(No such thing exist, but just saying.) will probably be like a kung fu shaolin grand master when/if he is ambushed. Lol
At 0:02 the comic that bernard is reading witch is of course is called the black freighter but the film only omagh's it but the graphic novel it explores it in depth and in detail witch actually near the end of the book ozymandias final line in the book draws a parallel between ozy and the main character of that story it's a metaphor for what hes done and what he has to live with as a result
I feel so sad for holis :/ he was a real hero even in the last moment, long life for nite owl
Sucks, these guys wouldn’t have lasted with comedian.
Damn, imagine how Sally felt when she heard the news, she was just talking to him and right after they were finished, he gets bludgeoned to death. Always appreciate the people you love, because they can be gone when you least expect it.
That's what i was thinking
Just noticed at 0:11 the second guy from the right is Patrick Sabongui who plays Captain David Singh on The Flash and played a Street Dealer on Arrow
The way Snyder directed this is just jaw-dropping. Fully exploits all the advantages of the format, of being a movie. It’s pure soaring beauty.
Alan Moore: You're supposed to root for the thugs, the heroes were fascists 😭
Audience: Rest In Power old man.
This scene should not have been removed, it is very good since it shows us a hero who was very good from the beginning until his last days, also how his life was as a young hero and his forbidden love. It also makes his death, instead of being seen as something depressing, sad and unfair, be seen as something epic, emotionally inspiring and moving, as if it were the appropriate end for a hero who, instead of dying old and exhausted, decided to die fighting with blood on his fists.
The very fact that this scene was not included in the film is an insult to cinema. A perfect scene so strong and amazingly arranged in every possible way musically, visually and acting
He will be forever honored as Nite Owl. By his family, friends and his successor Dan once the Keene act is suspended since he and his son were members of cyclops and the seventh cavalry. Never compromise even in the face of armageddon.