100%, I love this channel. Kai is spectacularly spot, every episode. I wish him the best, hope he blows up. And never changes his focus....one of three truck channels worth watching
When someone talks to me while YouTubing it, Kai is one of the few content creators I pause the video for…hell I even hit the like button before I even watch it.
As someone who did use a full size truck for quite a while for some pretty hard-core off road adventures, it is an exercise in masochism. With a real short chassis version it isn't too bad, but you are still wide enough where everything is a tight squeeze, turning radius sucks so every tight bend is a 3 point turn, breakover angle means a lot of rocks and drop ins are anxiety inducing. About the only place they really do well is out in wide open spaces at speed where the increased dimensions and weight improve stability. I went to the darkside recently and got a 2 door jeep, and all these places around home that were always anxiety inducing, needing to think thin just to squeeze between two trees, not drag my gastank on a rock, and the like, are now a breeze, easy, relaxing even. I've learned my lesson, and I kind of feel like toyota has as well, and chosen to focus on what that full size truck is going to be doing 95% of the time, vs trying to optimize what it will be doing that other 5%.
Manufacturers should take note of the quality of this video and the relevance of the information presented. Treating us like educated buyers enstills loyalty. Great job on the layout and structure of as well.
I have never watched a whole video on vehicle parts technicalities without being bored and clicking on to the next video. But on this one, I has my eyes glued on the screen. Very interesting and informative video dude.
Great video!. I own a 2021 tundra Trd pro and I bought it because I didn’t want the new truck I think it’s ugly and I wanted a V-8. For me this is the best truck ever made and I hope I have it forever because it’s just that good.
Just got longtube headers / straight piped to dirty deeds exhaust on my 2016. I highly recommend longtube headers. The sound & performance is sooo worth it and I’m still untuned
I would love to see a comparison of the different TNGAF platforms (tundra, sequoia, lx600). As a land cruiser guy I kinda feel like the 300 series is not really the major upgrade in durability that it used to be in the older generations and would be interested to see if there is still a difference.
Please compare the LX570 to the LX600. I love this detailed content and am tired of other UA-camrs making blank statements without providing detailed evidence.
As always an awesome well thought out and enlightening video. I really appreciate your technical analysis of things and not relying on gut feeling or subjective values only. Looking forward to the next video!
I own a 2nd gen 2wd tundra and I’m truly impressed of the places that truck can go ! It off-roads real well, I do have a lifted jeep for the other harder stuff .
I am a Jeep Wrangler guy but I love your channel. So much information that is useful to all vehicle owners. Of course, I am a subscriber. I look forward to your next adventure.
Just happened upon your channel looking at AT tires. While I'm not specifically looking for all the info you have here on your channel, I've watched a few of your videos simply because they're informative, well thought-out, and I love the scientific perspective you take. Very cool!
The content on this channel is highly factual and objective, which is saying a lot for a UA-cam channel. I love your content. Please keep it up. And I'd love to see a video with your thoughts about the LC 200 vs LX 570 suspension setups for off road use. Cheers!
@@flight2k5 I thought the same way but realize how wrong I was because besides price my 24 Terra Pro is hands down nicer/fun to drive than my previous 2016 (modded) Platinum
Great info. I like the engineering spin you have in your videos. Having wheeled a modified 2nd gen and a stock 2.5 gen they are no slouches offroad. Cheers
Thanks for making this video Kai. As a Tundra owner, I've been waiting for this one! Keep up the great work, truly one of the best channels out there for off-road enthusiasts to learn about their vehicles.
As a Gen.2 owner I end up at some very different conclusions, mostly spinning all around the notion we once again being sold less for more, but I have liked the video and the course of thinking. And yeah, I am the guy who needs the stuff they took away to give us what most people want.
Very good explanation and for me further brings home why I wanted this 3rd Gen Tundra, selling my 2 Gen. I wanted ride quality! Yes I need Truck like features for Hauling dirt bikes and towing my Travel Tailer. I do my off road’ing on my YZF250! But when I am on a wide open fire road…. Let’s have some fun!
This is excellent content. I’ve been wheeling and talking about Tundras for ten years (even started an event dedicated to the called Tundras to Sedona), and this was a great watch. Educational with clear distinction in the varied purposes people build Tundras for. I’m in the more hardcore side myself, but we welcome every kind of off road build at the event. Even stock.🤘
Great vid! On my 2nd gen, I ran a king 2.5 with the no swaybar setup over 2 years for maximum travel. Recently I had to buy all of the accessories and reinstall a TRD sport front swaybar to improve my towing and onroad handing. Hate to say this but I’m loving the truck more than ever. I still hit some trails some time but size and break over is mostly my limiting factor over suspension travel. I think Toyota did a right thing here on the 3rd gen.
Agree ! Absolutely knocked it outta the park with new Pro ..more goodies than my 2nd gen Platinum and more nimble. Turning radius is worse but not a huge factor for my use. Loved my 2nd gen but this is better and (for now anyway) don't even miss the 5.7
Thank you for the Tudra content. I have a 3rd generation sr5 off road long wheel base and use it primarily on raods and back woods trails. I really enjoy the ride quality of it.
Thank you for your support! I haven't really looked into much aftermarket options for the new Tundra. But from what I saw on the press vehicle, designing something that bolts to the swaybar bushing mount is probably the best bet.
Another winner by Kai … nice work, sir! I don’t even own a Tundra and likely won’t, but the principles here are super valuable to anyone wanting to understand the dynamics of IFS trucks. Yep, I think this video is even useful for understanding other vehicles, like the Tacoma, Bronco, Frontier, and so on … 👏👏👏
As a second gen owner I really enjoyed this video. Even if I wasn’t an owner though I would still watch because the insight and comparison information you offer is unmatched on UA-cam. Great work!
It would be interesting if you could do do a deep dive on disconnecting sway bar links, what are the pros/cons, when it makes sense, why they are not common etc. It seems most IFS offroad vehicles would benefit from a very beefy sway bar for road use and then disconnect it for everything offroad.
Another great video as always Kai! surprised you didn't flex the 3rd gen Tundra w/o the front sway connected, just to capture the difference in travel 🤔
Coil springs will typically flex better than leafs due to the leafs natural resistance to twist. It’s one reason why many leaf sprung vehicles don’t have a sway bar while. Coil springs are heavily dependent on the link and bushing setup, which can obviously vary significantly and greatly impact your perceived results.
Excellent review! I loved the cross examination you did. I'm really curious if you could do one with sways bars removed front, back and every which way to compare both trucks in every sway bar configuration. Love the channel!
Love the video. One point of feedback regarding handling, it is good to differentiate between "on-road and off-road handling" people look for the best handling for their planned use of their truck. Simply mentioning "handling" does not automatically indicate if you are refering to on or off road. Just some friendly feedback.
I'd like to add a point to the 2ed gen swaybar, I added one to the rear of my 2012 and it made a big difference with pulling a trailer as well as normal road handling. Yes I noticed the difference in suspension travel offroad but the trade off was well worth it to me.
Wow, thank you so much for this in depth video. Looking forward to the next. I hope you do a similar series with the new Tacoma! Also, maybe one for the new Land Cruiser!!
I think this design decision makes sense for the Tundra. However, will it influence the Tacoma, new Land Cruiser, and future 4Runner in the same way? Those models need to be more focused to slow speed, technical trail which demand maximum articulation.
I love your detailed comparisons. When I saw the press events for the 4thG Taco/6thG 4runner yours was the first channel I looked for before anyone else. Can't wait to see your analysis, if you do one. Some of the components on the new Tundra are surprisingly tiny. The rear lower arms are tiny in diameter compared to my Gladiator's arms, or for that manner my JKS arms on my TJ/LJ. I wonder what the wall thickness is of the tube?
Great video as usual. I know a lot of guys get caught up in their Toyota fandom and want to see one Toyota tested versus another but the fact is the big three outsell Toyota in the full size truck game anywhere from 5 or 8 to 1 depending on the brand and the year. Ford has their FX4 package as well as their Tremor in addition to the Raptor for the F150. Chevy has the Z71 and the Trail Boss as well as the ZR2 in the Silverado and Ram has the Rebel and the TRX in the 1500 and the Power Wagon in the 2500. It would actually be more interesting and more telling to see how similar off road packages from other makes compare. It would also give some insight as to why Toyota chose to go the way they did with the new Tundra. After all, if the F-150 Tremor and FX4 don't do anything the SR5 won't do then obviously off road prowess isn't most buyers main concern when choosing their new truck. We know it's not but number often prove reality to those who can't see it for themselves. By the way, you can option a rear locker on any 4x4 F-150 equipped with any engine other than the 3.5 naturally aspirated version. And that is more valuable far more often than a inch or two of travel. Anyway, comparing competing brands off road package numbers would make for a great video or series if you can get your hands on the competition.
Love your content! Would be very interesting to see a comparison of stock multi-links vs an upgraded multi-link setup 😎 looking forward to the next videos
I love your video explained why Toyota choose to do what they did for Tundra G3, because a lot of other videos wouldn't explain it this way. I bet people who are serious about going off-road would either buy Tundra G2, or just buy Tundra G3 & gone insane with the mods.
This channel is criminally underrated. The content is so detailed and informative.
It’s shocking!!
100%, I love this channel. Kai is spectacularly spot, every episode. I wish him the best, hope he blows up. And never changes his focus....one of three truck channels worth watching
Excellent presentation 🧐👍
Every day I wake up waiting for a Tinkerer's Adventure video. Despite not owning a toyota 4x4.
Thanks!
Thank you for the support!
Loved how you compared your two friends in their preferences, that really explains things out simplier for people to understand
When someone talks to me while YouTubing it, Kai is one of the few content creators I pause the video for…hell I even hit the like button before I even watch it.
The only channel I turn on notifications for.
As a 2nd gen Tundra owner who does off road his Tundra, I fully approve this video 😃
As someone who did use a full size truck for quite a while for some pretty hard-core off road adventures, it is an exercise in masochism. With a real short chassis version it isn't too bad, but you are still wide enough where everything is a tight squeeze, turning radius sucks so every tight bend is a 3 point turn, breakover angle means a lot of rocks and drop ins are anxiety inducing. About the only place they really do well is out in wide open spaces at speed where the increased dimensions and weight improve stability. I went to the darkside recently and got a 2 door jeep, and all these places around home that were always anxiety inducing, needing to think thin just to squeeze between two trees, not drag my gastank on a rock, and the like, are now a breeze, easy, relaxing even. I've learned my lesson, and I kind of feel like toyota has as well, and chosen to focus on what that full size truck is going to be doing 95% of the time, vs trying to optimize what it will be doing that other 5%.
Manufacturers should take note of the quality of this video and the relevance of the information presented. Treating us like educated buyers enstills loyalty. Great job on the layout and structure of as well.
I have a 2019 Tundra, love it. I drove 4 of the new Tundras. I wouldn't trade mine in for one.
We 100% need the same kind of video for the 2nd and 3rd gen Sequoia, especially since they went from an independent rear suspension to the solid axle!
This should be higher! It will give us a big insight in full independent suspension total articulation.
I absolutely love watching your comparisons. You seem to do a fantastic job of covering all the info, options, and reasoning.
Awesome stuff. Can't wait for your technical videos about the 4th Gen Tacoma!
I LOVE technical reality! Go Kai!
It’s so nice to see all support from this community. Nerdy but solid research as always, great work!!!
I have never watched a whole video on vehicle parts technicalities without being bored and clicking on to the next video. But on this one, I has my eyes glued on the screen. Very interesting and informative video dude.
Great video!. I own a 2021 tundra Trd pro and I bought it because I didn’t want the new truck I think it’s ugly and I wanted a V-8. For me this is the best truck ever made and I hope I have it forever because it’s just that good.
Just got longtube headers / straight piped to dirty deeds exhaust on my 2016. I highly recommend longtube headers. The sound & performance is sooo worth it and I’m still untuned
I would love to see a comparison of the different TNGAF platforms (tundra, sequoia, lx600). As a land cruiser guy I kinda feel like the 300 series is not really the major upgrade in durability that it used to be in the older generations and would be interested to see if there is still a difference.
Please compare the LX570 to the LX600. I love this detailed content and am tired of other UA-camrs making blank statements without providing detailed evidence.
Now I want to see a comparison of the 2nd Gen and 1st Gen tundra (double Cab)
As always an awesome well thought out and enlightening video. I really appreciate your technical analysis of things and not relying on gut feeling or subjective values only. Looking forward to the next video!
Totally agree. I would like to add the presentation and video production quality is fantastic! Merry Christmas and happy holidays!
most of your technical explanation went over my head but the comparison between your two friends made it all clear and everything made sense.
I own a 2nd gen 2wd tundra and I’m truly impressed of the places that truck can go ! It off-roads real well, I do have a lifted jeep for the other harder stuff .
@@iridium8341that’s true most are used for daily drivers and work trucks ….
New subscriber and new 3rd Gen, and first Tundra owner. Excellent videos!
Great video! I’m falling in love with my 2nd gen more and more every day.
Bro this channel is so good. Thank you for your insane level of detail and precise presentation!
I am a Jeep Wrangler guy but I love your channel. So much information that is useful to all vehicle owners. Of course, I am a subscriber. I look forward to your next adventure.
Just happened upon your channel looking at AT tires. While I'm not specifically looking for all the info you have here on your channel, I've watched a few of your videos simply because they're informative, well thought-out, and I love the scientific perspective you take. Very cool!
The content on this channel is highly factual and objective, which is saying a lot for a UA-cam channel. I love your content. Please keep it up.
And I'd love to see a video with your thoughts about the LC 200 vs LX 570 suspension setups for off road use. Cheers!
Even more reason why I'm keeping my 2nd Gen Tundra!!! I was so close to going for a 3rd Gen Tundra
😂🤣ok
@@flight2k5 I thought the same way but realize how wrong I was because besides price my 24 Terra Pro is hands down nicer/fun to drive than my previous 2016 (modded) Platinum
Kai, your videos are always my favorite! I always learn something, thank you! Can’t wait to see you get your hands on the Tacoma and Land Cruiser!
Thank you man. Same to you!
Definitely missed your videos and glad you’re back! Looking forward to the next one!
As always, unbelievable content and the best editing in the game. Also a few laughs included.
Love your work Tinkerer
All time detail. You are good at what you do. True engineer.
Great info. I like the engineering spin you have in your videos. Having wheeled a modified 2nd gen and a stock 2.5 gen they are no slouches offroad. Cheers
Thanks for making this video Kai. As a Tundra owner, I've been waiting for this one! Keep up the great work, truly one of the best channels out there for off-road enthusiasts to learn about their vehicles.
That’s great, still keeping my 2018.
Hell yeah my dude! The video the real ones have been waiting for. Sit down and or serve the facts.
As a Gen.2 owner I end up at some very different conclusions, mostly spinning all around the notion we once again being sold less for more, but I have liked the video and the course of thinking. And yeah, I am the guy who needs the stuff they took away to give us what most people want.
I learn so much from your videos. I sincerely appreciate your time, effort, and sharing!
Very good explanation and for me further brings home why I wanted this 3rd Gen Tundra, selling my 2 Gen. I wanted ride quality! Yes I need Truck like features for Hauling dirt bikes and towing my Travel Tailer. I do my off road’ing on my YZF250! But when I am on a wide open fire road…. Let’s have some fun!
This is excellent content. I’ve been wheeling and talking about Tundras for ten years (even started an event dedicated to the called Tundras to Sedona), and this was a great watch. Educational with clear distinction in the varied purposes people build Tundras for. I’m in the more hardcore side myself, but we welcome every kind of off road build at the event. Even stock.🤘
Great vid! On my 2nd gen, I ran a king 2.5 with the no swaybar setup over 2 years for maximum travel. Recently I had to buy all of the accessories and reinstall a TRD sport front swaybar to improve my towing and onroad handing. Hate to say this but I’m loving the truck more than ever. I still hit some trails some time but size and break over is mostly my limiting factor over suspension travel. I think Toyota did a right thing here on the 3rd gen.
Agree ! Absolutely knocked it outta the park with new Pro ..more goodies than my 2nd gen Platinum and more nimble. Turning radius is worse but not a huge factor for my use. Loved my 2nd gen but this is better and (for now anyway) don't even miss the 5.7
Best reviewer and technical videos in the buisness. GJ Tinker!
Yeah I did the same ramp test on my friends 2nd gen tundra and it flexed way more than my Cherokee trailhawk. I was impressed!
Very thorough and informative. Great video!
Thanks for another super informative video! I love learning more about my 2nd gen Tundra!
Always the best details and accurate information from THE Tinker!. Thank you.
If you are taking one of these behemots offroad suspension travel is the least of your worries.. most trails won't even be wide enough
Wheel base is to long and fuel consumption to large also….
Exactly why I bought a 3rd gen 4Runner, and I save the Tundra for towing.
True, 4runner and Tacoma are better for tight situations, buuuuuuut I still bought a 2016 Tundra😁
Actually really depends on where you wheel. most of the trails here isn’t bad. Just need to stop worrying about your paint. And that goes for any rig.
@@4WDisLifeThis is accurate. I've seen your videos - you demonstrate it.
Thank you for the Tudra content. I have a 3rd generation sr5 off road long wheel base and use it primarily on raods and back woods trails. I really enjoy the ride quality of it.
Thanks for the quality content! Can you mention front tow hook options on the latest Tundra?
Thank you for your support! I haven't really looked into much aftermarket options for the new Tundra. But from what I saw on the press vehicle, designing something that bolts to the swaybar bushing mount is probably the best bet.
Just commenting so your videos get more views and attention more people need to see them! Excellent quality explanation and demonstrations
Awesome content as always!
Glad i found your channel! Always something interesting going on
I may not have a toyota but i love the fact your in PA, and the info from your videos is helpful for my application.
Another winner by Kai … nice work, sir! I don’t even own a Tundra and likely won’t, but the principles here are super valuable to anyone wanting to understand the dynamics of IFS trucks. Yep, I think this video is even useful for understanding other vehicles, like the Tacoma, Bronco, Frontier, and so on … 👏👏👏
Awesome technical content as usual. Keep up the great work.
Man , as a fellow engineer I love watching your breakdowns and explanations! great work!
those side-by-side part comparisons are nuts. would love to see this for the new tacoma vs 3rd gen.
looking forward to your videos about next gen 4runner when it comes out. that and if decide to do a series for the new land cruiser too.
As a second gen owner I really enjoyed this video. Even if I wasn’t an owner though I would still watch because the insight and comparison information you offer is unmatched on UA-cam. Great work!
You're the man, Kai! Thank you breaking it all down, as always.
Your channel is a gem. Keep it up!
Great job on this and all of your videos!
It would be interesting if you could do do a deep dive on disconnecting sway bar links, what are the pros/cons, when it makes sense, why they are not common etc. It seems most IFS offroad vehicles would benefit from a very beefy sway bar for road use and then disconnect it for everything offroad.
Awsome video, as always, love the way you look at things as an engineer
Another great video as always Kai! surprised you didn't flex the 3rd gen Tundra w/o the front sway connected, just to capture the difference in travel 🤔
Thanks! I wished man. I asked Toyota for that, but they couldn’t let me do that on the press vehicle for safety reasons.
@@TinkerersAdventure That's unfortunate
This channel is proof that the yt algorithm does not recognize intelligent videos. This is crazy good content.
I love this video so much. The part comparisons are awesome too.
Coil springs will typically flex better than leafs due to the leafs natural resistance to twist. It’s one reason why many leaf sprung vehicles don’t have a sway bar while. Coil springs are heavily dependent on the link and bushing setup, which can obviously vary significantly and greatly impact your perceived results.
Great comparisons and articulation of the facts. Thank you!
absolutely amazing break down. thank you
Congrats to you and you team, awesome explanation in regards to old gen vs new gen.
Awesome comparison!
Great content.
Your videos are very educational.
thx
Excellent review! I loved the cross examination you did. I'm really curious if you could do one with sways bars removed front, back and every which way to compare both trucks in every sway bar configuration. Love the channel!
All the content you make is god tier.
Thank you for another amazing video! Can’t wait to see a video coming the 4th to 3rd gen tacoma’s.
Love the video. One point of feedback regarding handling, it is good to differentiate between "on-road and off-road handling" people look for the best handling for their planned use of their truck. Simply mentioning "handling" does not automatically indicate if you are refering to on or off road. Just some friendly feedback.
Can't wait until you get your hands on the new Taco & LC! Keep it up!
Excellent job, thanks
The current TRD Pro stabi-bar is just a stop-gap until the refresh, when E-KDSS will be adopted.
Solid research man 👍. Would love to see your take on 1st gen tundra vs 2nd.
This is a great channel! Love it!
Would be awesome to include Gen 1 tundra to the comparison as well! Great work Kai
I'd like to add a point to the 2ed gen swaybar, I added one to the rear of my 2012 and it made a big difference with pulling a trailer as well as normal road handling. Yes I noticed the difference in suspension travel offroad but the trade off was well worth it to me.
Wow, thank you so much for this in depth video. Looking forward to the next. I hope you do a similar series with the new Tacoma! Also, maybe one for the new Land Cruiser!!
haven't seen some of yo videos in a while, time to binge watch 🍿
Durablity is difficult to test, time will tell. As always, informative and useful video. Thanks!
Solid Axel for the win again. Toyota is finally giving you the rear suspension Jeep did 20 Years ago.
I think this design decision makes sense for the Tundra. However, will it influence the Tacoma, new Land Cruiser, and future 4Runner in the same way? Those models need to be more focused to slow speed, technical trail which demand maximum articulation.
I love your detailed comparisons. When I saw the press events for the 4thG Taco/6thG 4runner yours was the first channel I looked for before anyone else. Can't wait to see your analysis, if you do one.
Some of the components on the new Tundra are surprisingly tiny. The rear lower arms are tiny in diameter compared to my Gladiator's arms, or for that manner my JKS arms on my TJ/LJ. I wonder what the wall thickness is of the tube?
We need to see more of Joshs tundra
Great video as usual. I know a lot of guys get caught up in their Toyota fandom and want to see one Toyota tested versus another but the fact is the big three outsell Toyota in the full size truck game anywhere from 5 or 8 to 1 depending on the brand and the year. Ford has their FX4 package as well as their Tremor in addition to the Raptor for the F150. Chevy has the Z71 and the Trail Boss as well as the ZR2 in the Silverado and Ram has the Rebel and the TRX in the 1500 and the Power Wagon in the 2500. It would actually be more interesting and more telling to see how similar off road packages from other makes compare. It would also give some insight as to why Toyota chose to go the way they did with the new Tundra. After all, if the F-150 Tremor and FX4 don't do anything the SR5 won't do then obviously off road prowess isn't most buyers main concern when choosing their new truck. We know it's not but number often prove reality to those who can't see it for themselves. By the way, you can option a rear locker on any 4x4 F-150 equipped with any engine other than the 3.5 naturally aspirated version. And that is more valuable far more often than a inch or two of travel. Anyway, comparing competing brands off road package numbers would make for a great video or series if you can get your hands on the competition.
as always, your videos are super high quality
Love your content! Would be very interesting to see a comparison of stock multi-links vs an upgraded multi-link setup 😎 looking forward to the next videos
Man you make the best technical videos clear and cocise!!!
Awesome info! Someday I WILL have an off road rig to take a road trip with. Just hope I’m still young and healthy enough to do it by then.
Getting trucks down the trails at Aoaa and Rausch are tough…
Now I really wanna see a 4 door bronco on the CTI test to see how it stacks up with the competition
I love your video explained why Toyota choose to do what they did for Tundra G3, because a lot of other videos wouldn't explain it this way.
I bet people who are serious about going off-road would either buy Tundra G2, or just buy Tundra G3 & gone insane with the mods.