Most LUDICROUS transformers WEAPONS

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  • @nachoprime9649
    @nachoprime9649 Рік тому +354

    Robots in disguise Drift turning into a giant sword for a combiner to wield is pretty ludicrous

    • @serPomiz
      @serPomiz Рік тому +28

      the whole thing with battlemasters and targetmasters is ludicrous in the first place IMO; and between specialist minicons, arms microns, titanmasters' transtector weaponry and however you want to classify the ones from sierge/earthrise, there's a ludicrous variety of that

    • @TheUncivilizedNation
      @TheUncivilizedNation Рік тому +7

      Don’t get me started on whatever’s going on with Piranacon/King Poseidon. He’s a Triple Changer, Target Master, and Combiner

    • @SosaXSeraphim
      @SosaXSeraphim Рік тому +3

      That was the craziest thing I ever saw

    • @ahmadafyouni5843
      @ahmadafyouni5843 Рік тому +4

      Seriously who approved this idea? Using your buddy as a melee weapon smack dudes in the face 🤣🤣

    • @williamsupper3873
      @williamsupper3873 Рік тому +5

      The same can be said about Powerglide turning into a part of Superion’s gun. Just saying.

  • @bthsr7113
    @bthsr7113 Рік тому +161

    The Spark Extractor never seems like it extracted sparks so much as snuffed them out. And it was never indicated to be limited to anything short of a blast radius. A neutron bomb for the cybertronian soul.

  • @WelshGiraffa
    @WelshGiraffa Рік тому +132

    If I had to pick which weapon still sounds the most terrifying has to be the Spark Extractor the thing basically tears out your soul and depending on the series either your soul is constant outside of your body till it pops back into something I.e the G1 timeline with beast machines or just snuffed out and is basically an aoe grenade like Transformers Prime and jaut poof ye that is till the most terrifying weapon in all of cybertron’s list of “tools to delete the opposing not a friend”

    • @rodan9773
      @rodan9773 Рік тому +6

      The Rust and The Corrupted Green Energon seem The Worst to me.

    • @WelshGiraffa
      @WelshGiraffa Рік тому +4

      Ah but they atleasy have a cure Tox-En if you get treated quickly and Red Rust and Cosmic Rust can be treated aswell

    • @thesadistor-hl7lw
      @thesadistor-hl7lw 11 місяців тому

      @@WelshGiraffa hi dude how are you

    • @irkgdecimaul
      @irkgdecimaul 7 місяців тому

      @@rodan9773 hi dude how are you

  • @LastGoatKnight
    @LastGoatKnight Рік тому +37

    5:30 yes, it was showed in the series once. The Autobots killed 30 or so warrior class decepticons (turns out, they're vehicons, it's the same though) with it before Megatron with his own hand-made play thing (spoilers, so I improvised) destroyed it. The EMP-like explosion shut down everyone in an instant so, yeah. Just to know, it was showed

  • @brandoneccleston8714
    @brandoneccleston8714 Рік тому +70

    Don't forget Highmoons Energon Harvester, a vampiric shotgun that heals its user pretty ludicrous and sadistic

  • @serPomiz
    @serPomiz Рік тому +75

    a weapon that I find pretty ludicrous that appears often but we rarely get to see in action is the glass gas and relative dispensers; it's a chemical which as the name implies, tends to the gaseous state and affect metal making it as brittle as the average glass pane. we see used it as a short range spray or as long-range payload cannon in the g1 comic and it's often referred on right out of panel as a tool (one of the weapon in lore is the overclock of a tool used by the protectobot to breach in during rescue operation)

    • @TornaitSuperBird
      @TornaitSuperBird Рік тому +7

      Hey, Cliffjumper's signature weapon! Cliff's one of the only bots in all of TF fiction to wield glass gas, though. And the problem is that he's recently become designated Red Shirt Autobot that gets smacked to establish the big bads...

    • @thesadistor-hl7lw
      @thesadistor-hl7lw Рік тому +1

      @@TornaitSuperBird hi dude how are you

  • @Anderwreckzz
    @Anderwreckzz Рік тому +42

    I just love how the gun that prime has in tfp is based off of the pathblaster from foc, the first gun he gets

    • @MrNormalPerson
      @MrNormalPerson  Рік тому +13

      yeah i love all the connections between foc and prime

  • @nicholasfarrell5981
    @nicholasfarrell5981 Рік тому +63

    Have you considered, or already made, a list on the worst/most evil things the Autobots have done?

    • @MrNormalPerson
      @MrNormalPerson  Рік тому +14

      Haha yes! I have to research it tho, right now I only have a few examples...

    • @blasecascadeanimation4671
      @blasecascadeanimation4671 Рік тому +2

      Protoform X

    • @LogosPrime
      @LogosPrime Рік тому +3

      @@MrNormalPerson if the Shattered Glass Autobots count too, you may find some more I guess ;)

    • @thesadistor-hl7lw
      @thesadistor-hl7lw Рік тому

      @@blasecascadeanimation4671 hi dude how are you

    • @rileyandrews716
      @rileyandrews716 7 місяців тому

      @@LogosPrime hi logos how are you today

  • @da_master_of_foxes8512
    @da_master_of_foxes8512 Рік тому +17

    7:53
    Stormtroopers are actually canonically incredibly accurate... Just not against anyone with plot armor-
    So they're more like those scout troopers from The Mandalorian

  • @ThePuff18
    @ThePuff18 Рік тому +8

    “Most ludicrous weapons”
    *”hound”*
    *_”hound is the weapon”_*

  • @demolishingtank8853
    @demolishingtank8853 Рік тому +20

    9:48,u know a rust canon can exist in real life,there are liquids that make metal rust,not like in the movie but more like in G1 where it spread over time,the gun would be more like a squirter gun realistically

  • @Anton-de5vu
    @Anton-de5vu Рік тому +13

    Near the end of prime, the Autobots actually use the spark extractor against a vehicon army. The thing goes off like a bomb and shuts down every vehicon around for miles, even those why try to fly away in jet mode just drop to the ground.

  • @nottelling6598
    @nottelling6598 Рік тому +9

    Any of the Arms Microns. They even made the Prime Vehicon Blasters useful.

  • @dakotasepko
    @dakotasepko Рік тому +4

    19:50 YOU GOT THE *TOUCH* .
    YOU GOT THE _POWAAAAA_ !

  • @DeamonChocobo
    @DeamonChocobo Рік тому +22

    So glad to see the Armada Minicon Weapons make the list and especially the Hydra Cannon. Honestly I wish the would combine the Armada and Thirteen Primes origin for these weapons, like they were the weapons of the Primes but had to be divided amd hidden due to their strength and the pieces were then given life as Minicons.
    You need to look up The Ark from Transformers Cybertron, it was a Giant Gun made from the 4 Colony Ships and it was powered and wielded by Primus himself to destroy the giant Multiverse Black Hole that was made when Unicron was Destroyed.
    So originally in Shattered Glass the Omega Terminus was just the alternate version of Vector Sigma with the Terminus Blade being their version of The Key to Vector Sigma. It was later retconed into the Multiverse Artifact of the Primes... which is just kind of annoying.

    • @fernadogonzalez2940
      @fernadogonzalez2940 Рік тому +1

      I don’t really like the whole fisicaly splitting a weapon to keep it safe it would be more fun if each of the ancient souls artifacts had some of their power siphoned and given to those minicons

  • @Isgonesomewhere
    @Isgonesomewhere Рік тому +6

    I always thought of cosmic rust like necrosis, literally rotting (rusting) to death.

  • @localdoormatshitter
    @localdoormatshitter Рік тому +10

    Lockdown s head cannon needs 3 laser sights so it can have like a cross hair to see the blast radius

  • @minimalbstolerance8113
    @minimalbstolerance8113 Рік тому +3

    Nice! My first ever UA-cam shout out! Thanks!
    By the way, according to a quick Google search, there are about 17,500 species of butterflies.

  • @rhyperiorhunter7339
    @rhyperiorhunter7339 Рік тому +5

    actually stalker (this guy 3:39) had nothing to do with the DJD
    they were introduced in More Than Meets The eye while stalker was introduced in Last Stand of The Wreckers where he was among the Decepticons who joined Overlord in taking over the prison Garrus-9, though I understand why someone would assume he's part of the DJD as he's just as screwed up as they are for reasons I shall not spoil

  • @ShockInazuma
    @ShockInazuma Рік тому +25

    It costs 400,000 dollars to fire Hound's weapon… for 12 seconds.

    • @Dankoscreator
      @Dankoscreator 7 місяців тому

      Dude wrong franchise

    • @tirefish
      @tirefish 13 днів тому

      ​@@Dankoscreator Huh? What's that supposed to mean?

    • @Dankoscreator
      @Dankoscreator 13 днів тому

      @@tirefish he made a team fortress 2 reference

    • @tirefish
      @tirefish 13 днів тому

      @Dankoscreator Good to know and I apologize

  • @aph1dqueen
    @aph1dqueen Рік тому +6

    I dint know much about Transformers Victory, but just for the name alone, I feel like the living metal destroying cannon should have been on here, it's such a goofy name and I love it

    • @MrNormalPerson
      @MrNormalPerson  Рік тому +3

      Argh dammit I forgot that one 😂😂

    • @fernadogonzalez2940
      @fernadogonzalez2940 Рік тому +2

      @@MrNormalPerson it wasn’t that weird of a thing just a really powerful slow beamed energy gun the Japanese love big exagerated gun that can be easily avoided if you watch gundam you know what I’m talking

    • @tartatovsky
      @tartatovsky 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@fernadogonzalez2940it wasnt weird at all.
      Its just a super powerful gun that can pulverize Cybertronians

  • @gerald2508
    @gerald2508 Рік тому +4

    The energon harvester in Prime was a mining tool that could be used to drain transformers, it did not seem very effective but that could be because it was used against Bulkhead (who is ridiculously tough).

  • @Alexander59059
    @Alexander59059 Рік тому +10

    Ratchets robo meth made him so powerful it took Megatron to stop him, imagine what it’d do in the hands of someone who is already a good fighter.

    • @LMVtron1
      @LMVtron1 7 місяців тому +3

      I kinda hoped that episode went into more crazy territory like Ratchet and Megatron being fused into a monster like in the Marvel Comics

  • @alphastronghold715
    @alphastronghold715 Рік тому +3

    Uh…they USED the spark extractor in the show if you recall. It killed half the decepticon army in about two seconds, literally a transformer WMD with zero collateral damage. Megatron himself only survived it because he destroyed the device before the shockwave hit him. What was the max blast radius we will never know because again, megatron destroyed it before we could see.

  • @Cwronaga216
    @Cwronaga216 Рік тому +4

    If blackouts sound weapon was actually as loud as described with that range pretty much every human being in that military base would have turned to read mist the second it was fired

  • @snakeinabox7220
    @snakeinabox7220 Рік тому +5

    The 7000 decibel quote got my brain thinking.
    Decibels are not a liniar form of measurement.
    There logarithmic. So 40db is 10 times louder then 30 dB.
    Point blank gun fire is in the is between 140-165db depending on the ammunition.
    A rocket launch is around 190db.
    Anything over 200+ is fatal and stops being sound and is considered a shockwave
    A nuke is over 220 up to a potential 280db.
    I've looked at sum shit.
    A 1100db shockwave has enough energy to create a point blank black whole with the weight of 5kg and the size of a atom.
    And a 7000db has billions and billions of times the power.
    ..... Put that helicopter fuck on top of the list man can make a point blank super massive black whole.

  • @lordmegaandy8421
    @lordmegaandy8421 Рік тому +6

    There was a an anti matrix called the dark spark which was an evil version of the matrix of leadership it was locked away in a place called crystal city guarded by the crystal guardian I don't know who made it but it grants those who weld it like jhiaxus it made him powerful same with megatron and lockdown except lockdown grants him slowing down time and megatron it grants him dark energon strength along with his army but it was destroyed by optimus prime that destroyed lockdown device the time bridge this weapon appear in a video game transformers rise of the dark spark

  • @brianrussell2441
    @brianrussell2441 Рік тому +5

    I believe that most of the weapons hound is using are from earth specifically the ammo it’s just that they have been modified to his use

  • @fantasykaijugeeks5452
    @fantasykaijugeeks5452 Рік тому +9

    I really enjoyed this breakdown of thes ludicrous weapons also thank you for featuring the mouth flowers as. I honestly though they over the top and yeah I would not mine you going over some of the many Transfomers designs as they are some who so so cool 😎 and their are some who have alt modes that are just complete trash.

  • @HORRIOR1
    @HORRIOR1 Рік тому +4

    I think Megatron's armor from IDW The Transformers #28 should be on this list. Like that thing stood up and tore through a titan powered up by a hostile DIMENSION!

    • @MrNormalPerson
      @MrNormalPerson  Рік тому +1

      hopefully i'll get time to do a 'transformers in mech suits' type vid because there are a few

    • @HORRIOR1
      @HORRIOR1 Рік тому

      @@MrNormalPerson will that include IDW Thunderwing's super mode? Asking since it is technically just a second robot mode.

  • @corypaws6741
    @corypaws6741 Рік тому +1

    Barricade's mace thing sort of reminds me of the devices that gardners use to poke a lot of holes in the ground so they can plant grass

  • @HyperJohnua
    @HyperJohnua Рік тому +2

    I loved hotshots cybertron defense force multi missile launchers on his shoulders, arms, and legs, and when all that fails he has his own combat knife

  • @rmk6222
    @rmk6222 Рік тому +3

    I wish P.O.K.E is on the list too. It may be too risky to use but the effects of it are devestating.

  • @callumjones9664
    @callumjones9664 Рік тому +1

    We actually see the spark extractor get used, it gets used during the finale of season 2 I think of prime, the one of the autobots activate it in the middle of a small army of decepticons and they’re already immediately dead before megatron destroys it with the dark star saber

  • @Namekwoes
    @Namekwoes Рік тому +4

    So what you're saying is the dark star Saber is just soul edge but way way way better. Got it.

  • @jovanstojkovic4221
    @jovanstojkovic4221 Рік тому +3

    My favorite is G1 shockwave or any shockwave that can transform in to the blaster

  • @MM126.90
    @MM126.90 Рік тому +2

    5:30 it’s used later in the series by smokescreen and yes it is an AOE weapon

  • @simpleargonain
    @simpleargonain Рік тому +3

    When in doubt 🎵You got the touch🎵 always wins

  • @Sleepyrobot3845
    @Sleepyrobot3845 Рік тому +3

    I call lockdowns face Gun if looks could kill

  • @Iorekzickefoose
    @Iorekzickefoose Рік тому +1

    I think we should talk about the elephant in the room, or shall I say combinder in the room, the enigma. It can make transformers into combinders and it even made the combinder combinder, just a combinder made up of combinders. This is just OP

  • @gundanium3126
    @gundanium3126 Рік тому +2

    It could be the fallen's connection to entropy allowed him to sense Unicron in a dormant state and despite sentient life decided to you know end the greater threat to the rest of sentient life in the universe.

  • @sparkndark
    @sparkndark 6 місяців тому

    The spark extractor is terrifying. When we see it used in prime, it eminates a constantly growing field that instantly kills anyone who comes in contact with it, and the limit of its range is unknown because negation destroys it before it can get too big.

  • @rykerclements7734
    @rykerclements7734 Рік тому +3

    I would like to see a video about all the times optimus and megatron teamed up

  • @beastmaster0934
    @beastmaster0934 20 днів тому

    17:49
    And it was also what caused things like Unicron and Primus to no longer be multiversal entities like they were before that.

  • @dvey-zo8lh
    @dvey-zo8lh Місяць тому

    Theres also the cyber caliber, the sword made for nexus prime that split into 5 pieces just like he did, it was also said to be able to disassemble and resemble any machine

  • @derekosoriomartinez5974
    @derekosoriomartinez5974 Рік тому +1

    You forgot the Magnus Hammer from Transformers: Animated

  • @TOMMY716
    @TOMMY716 Рік тому +1

    I have a few question what is your opinion on the Cyber key and Minicon along with Grimlock I don't know if you did a video

  • @ookie6651
    @ookie6651 Рік тому +1

    Fun to watch as always

  • @Sealhunt
    @Sealhunt Рік тому +8

    A video featuring Optimus and Megatron teaming up would be awesome!

  • @annefox2013
    @annefox2013 Рік тому +2

    They literally put a star killing sword in a rock
    Transformers Excalibur

    • @gerald2508
      @gerald2508 Рік тому

      I forgot that the star sabre could project forcefields.

  • @gundanium3126
    @gundanium3126 Рік тому +1

    Its likely the dark star saber also juiced up from being on Unicron therefor able to draw on his energy reserves and increase its strength.

  • @seirramoon388
    @seirramoon388 8 місяців тому

    So the last one is like the Reality bomb from doctor who
    (Short version)
    13 planets used to make a machine that could rip apart atoms and turn off the bonds that hold them together. Basically anything its used on is reduced to nothingness, not even dust was left behind.
    (Yes that was the Short version)

  • @berniebroig8745
    @berniebroig8745 Рік тому

    Yeah, a Megatron/OP team-up recounting vid would be much appreciated and heavily coveted.

  • @omegasupreme1912
    @omegasupreme1912 Місяць тому

    5:38, The spark extractor is shown in use in the series and its an aoe type effect.

  • @samuelsabourin342
    @samuelsabourin342 Рік тому +2

    3:26 it’s a flail

  • @TeamZells5
    @TeamZells5 Рік тому +4

    Yes

  • @dbzfan005slayer_cultist
    @dbzfan005slayer_cultist Рік тому +1

    The dark spark seems pretty ludicrous even though I'm 2 months late

  • @0Warpath
    @0Warpath Рік тому +1

    Vector Primes sword I think was pretty ludicruous

  • @anwenlokier2292
    @anwenlokier2292 Рік тому +1

    In my school vr game the most powerful weapon is Goalius ultimate primordial blade forged by solas prime this weapon is so powerful it was locked up by the goddess pendulum prime the daughter of megatronus and solas

  • @Wreckingballblu
    @Wreckingballblu Рік тому

    The Immobilizer actually locked the target in stasis, pretty much power down

  • @stephanc6138
    @stephanc6138 Рік тому +1

    you want the gutter ver. or the non gutter ver?

  • @KlaxontheImpailr
    @KlaxontheImpailr 6 місяців тому

    That God Gun sounds like the inciting incident for infinite crossovers. 👍️

  • @knight60000
    @knight60000 5 місяців тому

    20:45 love the Ace Ventura reference 😂🤣

  • @andrewminter3450
    @andrewminter3450 Місяць тому

    Because I don't know where to put this, I love Barricade he was cocky when facing Bumblebee, but after his ass whupping he became more careful and only did things when advantageous to him and Because of this he survived all the movies well the bay ones

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 8 місяців тому

    Thanks to some rough animation in Five Faces of Darkness, Predaking had two-frame kicks that shot lasers. I was hoping to see Killmaster's wand but it seems it wasn't powerful enough.

  • @meh6355
    @meh6355 Рік тому

    holy i love your transformer vids (not far of 15K either :)))

  • @tony-p9e
    @tony-p9e 14 годин тому

    Megatron had good team ups

  • @jerichoalcantara013
    @jerichoalcantara013 Рік тому +1

    In Armada two powerful weapons is Skyboom Shield and Starsaber

  • @leighaknight9807
    @leighaknight9807 11 місяців тому

    When I saw the thumbnail for the video, my only guess that raced through my mind was, " up their tail pipe"

  • @sussysussy1398
    @sussysussy1398 Рік тому +2

    MIxmaster turns into a cannon

  • @ToaDaGardeKat
    @ToaDaGardeKat Рік тому

    1:15 "Look! Look at thjs damage!"
    Me: its a Bayverse scene, I maxed brightness and resolution and I still don't know what I'm looking at

  • @lillay304
    @lillay304 3 місяці тому

    i think tfp starscream’s missiles deserve a mention, those things are powerful

  • @fantasykaijugeeks5452
    @fantasykaijugeeks5452 Рік тому +1

    22:54 Though I wonder will doing a video on the most insane battles of the Transformers Universe be a better video topic for you to use cause there are a lot of insane ones. Like that one time Overlord decided to beat the Autobots and turn humanity against them through politics truly a genius and unoriginal scheme.

  • @Thaisweetchillisensations
    @Thaisweetchillisensations 6 місяців тому

    Now i wish the starsabre in prime was made from minicons. If they exist in rid 2015, it couldve been done. Speaking of rid 2015, the combiners episodes where drift was a sword was pretty cool

  • @endergeo116
    @endergeo116 Рік тому +2

    Can someone explain the Decepticon Hunters?

  • @somerelativleyuninterestin4763

    Hey, are you gonna do a strongest autobots video by any chance?

  • @paskoracer_4644
    @paskoracer_4644 Рік тому

    The spark extractor can take out multiple sparks at once because it is basically a bomb

  • @rashikafernando-of1nn
    @rashikafernando-of1nn Рік тому +1

    You missed the dark spark from rise of the dark spark😅😅

  • @jackpace2486
    @jackpace2486 Рік тому +1

    What if Nemesis prime has the darksaber and dark matrix of leadership versus Optimus prime Star saver and marrix of leadership who would win in a fair one-on-one fight?

  • @nicholasvallejo2121
    @nicholasvallejo2121 Рік тому

    I personally believe that the immobilizer puts the bot affected into a sort of stasis lock

  • @mechzilla569
    @mechzilla569 Рік тому

    Maybe a pt2 someday
    Transformers has way too many weapons for one video but all
    Of them are interesting

  • @Vitreous78
    @Vitreous78 6 місяців тому

    That first weapon tho. Smoking kills in more ways than one

  • @markaidenmelanson-mcclain7864
    @markaidenmelanson-mcclain7864 4 місяці тому

    Menasor's gun from transformers: devastation
    war for cybertron game Omega Supreme's "Omega Claw"
    Unicron

  • @KaijuBiologist
    @KaijuBiologist 7 місяців тому

    What about the one from the end of the Unicron trilogy? The one that was made up of four starships combined together and used by Primus AKA Cybertron in humanoid mode to destroy the last vestiges of Unicron AKA a black hole.

  • @WhatIsThatThingDoing
    @WhatIsThatThingDoing Рік тому

    First impression immediately after seeing it:
    That's their take on the throngler, isn't it?

  • @demolishingtank8853
    @demolishingtank8853 Рік тому +1

    1:50,Im surprised the Hacksmith didnt make Optimus swords,wasted potential

  • @Maxusman123
    @Maxusman123 Рік тому +2

    They've turned him into a weapon, funniest sh!t I've ever seen

  • @Geinophoenix
    @Geinophoenix 6 місяців тому

    that's one of the symptoms for Bipolar disorder. As someone with Bipolar Disorder i would know the symptoms.

  • @Golden-berry
    @Golden-berry Рік тому

    4:24 deadpool would be proud

  • @kaizer087
    @kaizer087 Рік тому

    Really need to make a list of the common Transformers weapons and gadgets that they use, like the weapons from the games...

  • @o0bookwyrmknight0o
    @o0bookwyrmknight0o Рік тому

    I will say Killmaster’s wand is pretty bizarre and powerful, sending its victim’s to a pocket dimension prison with just one zap.

  • @DeamonChocobo
    @DeamonChocobo Рік тому

    Also if you're doing more Transformers stuff I highly recommend Chris McFeely's Transformers The Basics here on UA-cam.

    • @MrNormalPerson
      @MrNormalPerson  Рік тому +2

      Ah yeah, he does the best tf stuff on youtube

  • @tellmeninetails5819
    @tellmeninetails5819 Рік тому +1

    have megatron and oprimus ever combined?

  • @Lemuel928
    @Lemuel928 Рік тому +2

    This is the power of the cyberplanet keys!?!

    • @bthsr7113
      @bthsr7113 Рік тому +1

      Sad that wasn't brought up.

    • @serPomiz
      @serPomiz Рік тому

      by definition, those are parts of the bot (even if the gimmick may not be), so they don't fully fit

  • @AnomalyINC
    @AnomalyINC 5 місяців тому

    I think Barricade's dubious doohicky is supposed to be some sort of morning star.

  • @AbhishekKr.Singh1609
    @AbhishekKr.Singh1609 Рік тому +1

    Please,please make a video about all the times Optimus and Megatron teamed up

  • @cjsaurus4120
    @cjsaurus4120 Рік тому +1

    What about deathsaurus fortress or the nemesis from beast wars 2

  • @L1LegoAnimations
    @L1LegoAnimations Рік тому

    Tl;dr version of Shattered Glass's Omega Terminus. "Literally Vector Sigma, but scarier and goes by a different name."

  • @cameron1040
    @cameron1040 Рік тому

    You should make a video about unicrons abilities

  • @Chrisisawesome-cn6mn
    @Chrisisawesome-cn6mn Рік тому

    The thumbnail is rather suggestive