I wrecked my 1LE! The crash/Dealing with Track Day Insurance...
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2020
- This video was hard for me to make. It shows my wreck in my SS 1LE from in-car, as well as the track's tower camera footage, along with some closeups of the damage, and my experience with Track Day Insurance through Hagerty.
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“At one point he asked me the make and model of my boat and I said I wasn’t driving a challenger” 😂😂
"He asked what make and model my boat was, and I told him I wasn't driving a Challenger" LOL
I race there. The drivers meeting begins with “respect the kink - it’s a real turn” and ends with “respect the kink - it’s a real turn”.
“If you’re not sure where the kink is, it’ll find you.”
Thanks for posting this. Tons of useful information I wasn’t aware of. Sorry about the crash but thankfully you’re still in good health. Best wishes on your future events!
Thank you! This is exactly why I made the video. I remember sitting in the paddock wondering “what do I do now?” and started searching UA-cam and Google with no real results. I’ve got my 2022 SS 1LE now and should be back on track in Spring of 2022!
I am SO sick of watching shitty videos on YT. THIS was not shitty. Well done and sorry for your loss. You might think about telling people how much you paid for your policy and the deductible so they may come to a better understanding of how track day insurance works and the real value. Again, thank you for the good content
Thank you! Fun fact, only your first sentence showed up in the comment previews and it made me laugh out loud! Glad I opened it up and read the rest of your comment. 😁
Total bummer. Thanks for sharing the track day insurance process and experience. Tough to see now though cars come and go and that’s part of being an enthusiast. It’s just rough when it’s not by choice. Thanks for sharing so the rest of the community can learn. 👍🏻
Thanks, I was hoping it would help someone in the future.
Sorry about the accident, thanks for taking the time to share your experience. I admire your ability to stay light-hearted with the boat/Challenger comment.
Thanks! For what it’s worth, I’ve owned 3 Challengers and my daily driver was an AWD GT when I wrecked that Camaro, so it’s all in good fun.
Thanks for sharing this all. I love watching the in-car video, even knowing the wreck is coming.
I 'raced' at RA ~ 15 years ago before I had kids. Your video reminded me how I got a little squirrely there at the Kink once but (I think) the AWD of my WRX allowed me to pull my drivers side wheels off the grass and back onto the track.
Scott Tendering it was a hard video to make but I thought it would cover some questions others might have, that I myself had after it happened. Glad your WRX was able to race another day!
I have just started tracking my car for the first time, and done 2 events so far this summer. I also have an SS 1LE. I can definitely see that when the adrenaline gets pumping and heart beating, you can get into a corner hotter than you anticipated. Especially at a track like Road America and with a car like this.
I will be buying track insurance and put more awareness towards staying calm and focused while driving, because of this video.
I'm sorry this happened to you but thank you for uploading and sharing your story. Good luck in the future with your new car!
Thanks! Other things to keep in mind about track insurance are the uncontrollable events. Brake failure, oil spill from another car, another car spins and hits you, etc.
As for the new car, I’ve already been back to RA and set a new personal best!
Thanks for walking folks through your experience.
You bet!
This is a bummer but you’re a good man for sharing your experience. I grew up going to Road America and did my first track events there. I’ve seen the kink claim all sorts of drivers and cars.
I can imagine how hard it is to lose something you love like this but again, you’re doing a great thing by sharing your experience. As someone who buy Hagerty track insurance, I’ve always wondered if they would stick to it and so this is incredibly reassuring to hear. Thank you!
I'm glad my misfortune can at least shed some light on the scenario. When it happened I started searching "what now" on the web and nothing popped up. I figured I would make this video so that hopefully when someone else DOES have to use it, they can at least watch this and it may help calm their nerves.
Is there a minor elevation drop or bump that's noticeable while hitting the apex? In forza 7 the car seems to get unsettled by uneven groove of road.
@remissiveslave the track has been completely repaved this year. It’s just a blind, off-camber corner that you have to commit to, otherwise it can get sketchy. Comes at you faster than most expect.
@@remissiveslave my car is too slow to really notice it. However, they repaved last fall/winter and I hear the bump is more pronounced now
@TrackMouse34 there are almost no bumps now. Even the brake point bump under Corvette bridge is gone.
WOWW, I definitely felt your pain brother when I watched the video, man I almost CRIED myself. I just hope in the future you get back at it, definitely happy about the insurance company. I will look into the coverage.
Thanks! I am back out there and completed my first track weekend last week. Back to Road America as well. Check out my fast lap here! ua-cam.com/video/LDLzv-xc5AU/v-deo.html
Good video Brother! Been there . . . done that. My mistake was undervaluing my C5 Caged track car. Due to that it was totaled as well. I know the empty feeling when it's not at home. I bought it back and got it fixed. And learned some valuable lessons. Best of luck!
Thank you! Hopefully others learn from this video on the process of track day insurance, if they ever need it.
Glad you are okay! Thanks for posting the video and sharing your experience, hope you make it back to Road America in a new ride! Be safe! -Push
Thank you, I will
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I'm sorry that happened to you, glad you are ok. Thank you for sharing the details of the Hagerty insurance, I purchased that at an event I ran at DCTC. I will look forward to your new car next year!
Daytona 5.7 thank you sir! One day I’m sure we will meet up on track!
Props on the video. Anyone who has tracked for a while knows that you have to be psychologically prepared that anything can happen, even to the most experienced drivers. While the risk of injury and crashes are really low, it's not zero. This is why we have insurance, helmets, harnesses, hans devices, tech inspections, etc. Good to know how the process works and how leaving car at the track is a viable option (assuming you can hitch a ride or rent a car). Bottom line is that you were ok and everything worked as intended when things didn't go as planned! It's such a fun hobby...hope you get on the track again soon!
Thanks for the kind words. It's always in the back of your mind, and a "known" scenario, I just never expect it to play out for me. Now it has, and my plan is to have it be the last time lol.
Great video, and props for posting all the details. This truly hurt me to watch. I know personally what this all means to you, and I’ve always been proud to watch you run, and tell people how good you are; hell, I let my wife ride with you lol. Can’t wait to see what you do next, brother.
Very sorry for your loss, I am glad you are ok.... definitely get another Camaro SS 1LE.... best wishes for the future!
Thanks brother. It was painful to experience first hand. I always tone it down a few notches when I have others in the car with me though, so your wife was never in danger (from my driving anyway, lol)
Crazy bro glad you are okay! Smiles for miles though! Enjoy that car and the next!
124mph entrance 🤯🤯🤯 glad you're ok and insurance worked out!
Tim Fleury yeah, maybe under different circumstances and tires this may have worked 😬
Aw man that's unfortunate to see. Glad you're OK and at least it's nice that you had cooperative track insurance. Good luck on figuring out the next toy :)
Thanks!
Sorry to see - but most importantly you're ok. Thanks for sharing, I use Hagerty when I track my 1LE, good to know that if it comes to worst case scenario, they are good to deal with. I've been off the track this year too (due to unemployment), 2021 can't come soon enough lol! looking forward to seeing what you get next spring too!
Frachelli TV it’s a solid move to use insurance. 2021 can’t come soon enough for me either...
This is one of the most helpful videos I've found thank you so much for sharing.
Glad it was helpful! That is why I made the video.
Glad you are OK and thanks for sharing.
Yes, thank you
Glad you're okay! Thanks for sharing your experience. Pretty sure I was there that weekend, it was basically the first track day for everyone after Covid landed and folks are eager to have fun again. The kink I always worry about. In fact I have a video of an Aston Martin passing me after the kink, spinning out, and going into the wall backwards the same way. I also use RLI and had wondered how good the insurance actually was. I'll keep paying for it hoping i'll never need it. It takes balls to share your story, I appreciate it. Good luck with your new ride for next season!
Thanks! Which car were you in? Which group?
@@FollowMyLine17 I ran on Sunday with E46 M3 in red group. I'm guessing you ran on Saturday, we heard there were several incidents that day. Sunday was clean, no wrecks that I was aware of.
GotThrottle I ran on Sunday as well, but in a black widebody Hellcat Challenger. He ran in red group as well, and let me do a couple of sessions in yellow. Love your car btw!
@@FollowMyLine17 Thanks! I saw the Hellcat Challenger pass me by on the front straight, they really move!
My wife works at Hagerty, and I always wondered how using their track day insurance would go. Glad it was sorted out well, hopefully you get another 1LE!
Thanks! 2022 2SS 1LE is already on order. TPW is 8/21/21.
Glad you're ok and the track insurance works. I was out looking at racing seats, 6 point harness, hans etc today. Going to up my safety game
Good call!
Thanks for posting, I just went off at turn 10 at BIR (Donnybrook) this past weekend and am feverishly trying to piece it all together and deal with the mental and emotional aftermath. I was actually at RA the previous weekend, that's a tight scary section at the kink! I'd be interested in a follow up video or information on how you move forward, get back on track and deal with extra anxiety surrounding your track driving after hitting the wall. It's a gift when we're physically ok, but there's a lot more to deal with after the fact.
Hey Andy, glad to hear you are OK. I haven’t run the Donnybrooke, but I just ran the Competition Course a few weeks ago (ua-cam.com/video/UKg3D_o3L0A/v-deo.html). You are absolutely correct, on the anxiety and other thoughts that go through your head when you get back on track. I honestly don’t know that if my friend hadn’t throw me the keys to his Widebody Hellcat the very next day and told me to get out there, that I’d be as apt to go back out now, like I do. I was hesitant coming up to the kink again, and I almost target-fixated on the wall the very next time out. Even a year later when I took another friends car, I almost had to vocally remind myself to take it easy through the kink. I got lucky, and my reaction time kept me from going head-on into the wall. Cars can be replaced, but long-term injuries are another thing altogether.
Hey I also have a 1 LE, amazing car. I track mine often and always get TD insurance. I feel your pain, these cars are very fast, I can imagine, its easy to make a minor mistake, that can become a big mess. Good luck!!
I too went off in the kink several years ago. Luckily I kept it straight in the grass (in my worst video on UA-cam). Totally my mistake. Tried to take it flat in my GTI and just pushed wide. So I know that feeling more than most. I really appreciate you sharing such a tough experience with us to keep us better informed. I’ve always been terrified on what will/won’t be covered. Thank you for your video! Good luck to you in the future. Did they give you the option to buy your car back?
Ken Adams thanks for sharing! They did not give me the option, told me to bid on it at IAAI with everyone else.
Sorry man. I made some comments on some of your older videos. I also just totaled out my 18 hyper blue 1le this spring. It's a bummer to deal with, in many ways. Good luck. Hopefully you get back out there. FYI. I went right out and bought a new 2020. It helped me get my mind off the wreck.
Sorry to hear about your 1LE. Glad to hear you're back out there!
I vintage race at Road America; the Kink always has its victims each year. Glad to hear the insurance did you well, and you have a very nice line around RA!
Thanks! I’m always up for critique, so if you see anywhere I can improve in my other videos, I’m all ears. What kind of car do you vintage race?
I’ve had it happen to me as well, it’s a sickening feeling! Just glad you’re OK!!
I think I was more in shock right when it happened, more than anything else. I loved that car so when I found out the adjuster totaled it I think is when I got that sickening feeling in my gut. Luckily it wasn’t worse and I didn’t collect anyone else in the wreck. The new metal will be tested out in a short few weeks, back at the same place!
@@FollowMyLine17 - I feel you my man, I still miss my car a lot! Hope things go well when you return, I know to be honest that I struggled going through the section of track where I wrecked at VIR for a while, but gratefully I am now back to full speed there now, just took a couple of trips!
Glad you were able to walk away, and thanks for going through the insurance process. I buy my track policies through them too. I was wondering how you get track insurance in the future, at the end of the form they ask if you've made a claim in the last year or so (i forget the exact amount of time).
Thank you, and no problem! I believe you get 2 claims with them and then they won’t cover you anymore. That’s all speculation as I don’t know for sure and it’s hearsay. I’m sure you cost of insurance goes up for future events as well. I’ll find that out eventually.
So sorry to see this, Road America can reach out and bite you. The kink is a beast. I’m glad you are ok and your experience with the insurance went well. For what it’s worth I love my ‘19 Grand Sport. First day out on the Autobahn North I took over two full seconds off of my PB
HPDE Fun thanks! As much as I would love a GS, right now I need something with at least 4 seats. Got two little boys that love going for car rides, and it would break my heart to not be able to take them with me for random car cruises, birthday drive-bys, etc.
Luan Zeqollari understood, priorities!!!!!
So sorry to hear that man.. Your videos make me want to move up into American muscle.. You rip in that thing.... Keep updating us on your future cars and what not
Thanks! Who knows, maybe I'll end up back in a Japanese or German car again...
Thanks for sharing, glad to hear you were OK and the track insurance worked as it should...I've always wondered. Hope to see you at Road America in 2021 with the new ride. As the snow hits early in the midwest, plenty of time for research! BMW M maybe???
Thanks Todd! I’ve actually done some test drives already and the M2 Competition was on that list. Fun ride, just not sure it’s worth the bang for the buck. It’ll be interesting to see what the Mach 1 can do once that is available; but right now I’m leaning towards another SS 1LE.
The most important thing is that you walked away with only a bruised ego. Was contemplating buying a 1LE because of your channel. Hope you get something fun to play with next year!! Hope to pick up my 2019 PP1 Mustang with Magneride in a few weeks!!
Good stuff! Congrats on the Mustang!
Damn! That hurts me as well! Sorry about the accident!
I appreciate that.
Man I just totaled a car last year on the road, not on the track, it was the first time I've ever just lost control and crashed a car in my entire life. The sudden shock of "My car is gone" is immense. Like I got out of my car, saw it, and my brain just kept saying just walk home and get in the car in the garage. Like what I saw in front of me wasn't real, while at the same time I knew it was real. It was one of the most bizarre sensations I've ever had where my brain just couldn't except what happened. I think there's also the general expectation that you'll always have your car until you choose to get sell it and move on, and suddenly losing it is a real punch to the gut. I can only imagine how people must feel walking out to a parking lot and trying to come to the realization that their car was stolen.
Also, the hit to the ego. I've never done anything in my life that knocked me down about 20 pegs like crashing my car did. As a car person the sheer embarrassment of it was enough to make me second guess things and also leave stability control on while on the street. The sensation of 'it only takes one tiny mistake and it's over' will be with me for a long time, if not forever. It was a corner that I've been around time and time again, just one little thing that must've changed in whatever I was doing was all it took.
That said, about the 'cost of the damage' from the insurance, I was in the same boat. It was a $58k car, granted it was a hard hit to the side of the car, but they estimated $35k in parts. Talk about a markup on parts MSRP. You could've disassembled the car and made more than that back in parts alone if you wanted to.
Glad you're ok for sure and you're back in the seat.
The experience is definitely one that is unique. It’s not like those other scenarios you described, so I understand where you are coming from. Hopefully you are back at it now and in another car you love!
Awesome video, thanks for sharing
Sorry to hear about your misfortune but I'm glad to hear you physically unscathed! Thanks for sharing your experience with Hagerty's track day insurance.
Thanks, Hopefully someone will find it helpful.
I envy this part of your life!!! keep going and stay safe
OMG THIS VIDEO IS GONNA BE LIT
:-D
Glad you had insurance dude, and thanks for posting the vid. Do you think if you were in regular track mode with SC and TC nannies on full, they would have saved you, or impossible to tell?
You’re welcome! Impossible to tell really. So many things I could have done differently in the moment, so I’m using this as a learning experience.
I did a track day there in my 2017... glad I didn't have to use it but I also had track day insurance. Ill always have track day insurance for this reason! Glad youre ok!
Thank you!
Beautiful car, sorry about the loss. Crazy that totalled it. Buying the salvage, would have made a kickass drift car though.
That sucks. Glad you weren't hurt and that the insurance did the right thing. I've had a few close calls at HPDEs. It's... not thrilling. Hope you got back on the horse.
Thank you! I have for sure gotten back on the horse. I’ve been back several times since.
Omg!! Soooo sorry!!!! I know it’s not feasible for most, but did you at any point consider keeping it and fixing it?
Per 1 I have no plans to buy it back and fix it. Onto bigger things!
Sorry to see this. Things can happen very quickly. Other than the accident, nice driving. Glad you had the insurance.
Thanks Tim!
That was a very good video that you put out speci for guys who are new to the track such as me I learned so much I learned that is going to be a long time before I go that fast that's for damn sure but that's a good video man thanks for the information and I definitely can get some car insurance for the track
Thanks, glad it helped!
Yeh I saw that one coming soon as you entered the turn. Good driving though man just came in a little too hot 🔥 on that one corner. Keep track racing your too good to give it up 😁👍👍💯
Thanks man! Definitely not giving up. New ride and first track day scheduled in May. You’ll see more content coming over the next few months
Ouch. Glad you are okay.
Thanks! I appreciate that.
“I wasn’t driving a Challenger!” Lol. Glad you kept your sense of humor.
Thanks, it came from a place of love! I have owned 3 and tracked 4 different Challenger’s.
Sorry to see this, but glad you're ok. I'm surprised it was totaled. The damage didn't seem so bad as to warrant that. As you mentioned, you were carrying too much speed into that corner and turned in too late as you also mentioned. You were on throttle almost until the last marker & only scrubbed off 10mph. Once you hit the the grass (while turning )you didn't stand a chance to save it. Again, glad you're ok and you learned something. You'll be back soon enough and this will all be a distant memory! Good Luck. PS, as someone else mentioned, best to get right back into something!
rleader1 thanks! Definitely not a story I wanted to include in my “resume” but hey, now I have a story to tell, or a conversation to join in on that most do not.
Extremely sorry to hear that.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Dam bro thanks for posting the video! I just got an 1ss stick to play around with... Did you do a video on what went wrong? like a break down of what happened , and any tips you have for driving on the track...... You were doing so great man would love to learn from your channel!
Break down is pretty simple. I went in too hot and missed my brake point. The car got unsettled on the curbs at the kink and I just couldn’t save it.
@@FollowMyLine17 ok thanks, yeah it looks like you got a little too confident after smoking passed the mustang. all good tho! can't wait for new videos with the 2022 , take care
Wasn't going to purchase track insurance for my next few DEs but I think I've changed my mind thanks to you. Perhaps I'll see you at BIR sometime?
I will always get track insurance from now on. It’s not always what YOU are in control of. I had a friend lose the brakes on his car and T-bone another vehicle. He had insurance, the other vehicle did not. I’ve also seen someone dump trans fluid on the track and the car behind spun out and slid into the tire barrier. It’s not always on “you” that you have to worry about. You will for sure see me at BIR in the future. I have my order for a 2022 2SS 1LE placed!
Did the track charge you anything for hitting the wall or lawn damage?
Zadnak1 concrete wall didn’t budge.... all I did was add a new color to the Kinks palette.
im glad youre ok and dude your a fudging bad ass bro. youre a real life race car driver which take skill. thanks for sharing bro
Thanks, I appreciate that!
Held that throttle just about 2 seconds to long there ... making damn good laps to that point though, very entertaining to watch. 😁
He let off the throttle to long and ass end came out. Tricky turn there....
Having been a 5 time camaro / firebird owner, the best thing i ever did was switch to a WRX for my track car. I have yet to be passed by a 1LE or regular camaro and the costs to upgrade are very manageable. Chassis is very well behaved. No wagging stuff
I may have the opportunity to drive one on track this year. I’ll report back my thoughts! Thanks for the insight.
I too have a 1LE. 2019. Saw your post on the Camaro6 forums, you're alright - car can be replaced. I am going to ROAD ATL this Friday, of course with insurance. What are your plans for replacement? I love the 1LE. It's special.
Daniel Membrillo not sure at this point. Have some ideas. Good luck at Road Atlanta!
You need a car with crazy amount of downforce to take that kink flat and if you make a mistake you are goner. I have a 911 turbo and I lift way before you did in that kink. I can match your speeds in most of the turns but have higher speeds on main straights. I don’t typically get insurance since I run only 6-9 events HPDE per year which isn’t much. I rarely approach the limit of what the car can do and I leave the assists on unless it’s a track I know like the back of my hand. Appreciate you sharing your experience. It’s always good to hear insurance steps up to help. Please share an update on the car.
Thanks for the comment! The car was totaled, I took a year off and ended up buying a 2022 SS 1LE.
Sorry about your car man, glad you made it out alright!
I appreciate it! Looking forward to more of your content.
@@FollowMyLine17 picking the supra up Wednesday from getting fab work.
Sweet! Can’t wait!
Wow doesn't take much to total a car I guess. Good thing you were smart and had insurance. Sorry about your loss. Thanks for posting video. I'm looking to do more than just karting & thinking about getting a Rush SR track car. I will defiantly be using Hagerty insurance. Gorgeous car, cant bring myself to hitting the like button but I will do it because of the insurance info. you provided.
That is why I made the video. After the wreck I was searching and searching for the “what’s next” and couldn’t find anything out there. If I can help ease someone’s mind, it’s worth it. Thanks for the like!
I've done about 40 HPDE track events (Porsche and now TA GT1) and have a racing license. That means I know a bit about what happened here. Street cars are a bit insipid in that they are heavy (they have a tendency to drift wide in high speed sweepers) and typically run, "track," focused street rubber. This means they will typically, "talk," to you (squeal) before they let go. Too, warming them up is not as critical as a slick. That said, it is still VERY important to take the time to warm you tires and brakes up (a Miata can catch me in a corner with cold tires/brakes) BEFORE you start pushing the car's limits. If you are in a hurry (pretty much always a bad idea) you can expedite adhesion by dragging your brakes a bit (on of the tricks pro drives and racers know very well). If you have tire pressure monitors (I don't), keep and eye on them. When they get up to temp., start pushing...slowly.
All excellent points! I definitely made the crucial mistake of rushing, for absolutely no reason. I learned a lot from this incident.
You're a legend man. I would've cried too
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Hey man, sorry for your loss! Late response, but did this make your insurance policy on your daily driver go up? Or was it totally separate? Have you been on track again since?
This didn’t affect my regular insurance at all. Track day insurance is completely separate from regular coverage. Yes, I have been back on track since. I was in my friends Hellcat the very next day, and have a few videos in a Corvette, other Camaro’s, etc. I was recently at Autobahn CC. Subscribe to the channel, I’ll have more content coming soon!
@@FollowMyLine17 right on! I track a 400hp evo x. Funny I stumbled across this video, I’ve been contemplating ditching the evo for a ss 1le
@@401nate2 I haven’t tracked an EVO before but I’ve driven a few. I can promise you won’t regret the SS 1LE as a track vehicle. Visibility isn’t an issue if you get a 2SS either, because the rear view mirror is a camera that covers all the blind spots. Check out some of my other vids. Lots of in-car footage from track days.
Great content and info. Thanks so much. Yes I’ve asked many of these questions to myself while driving VIR or Charlotte Motor Speedway. I go with a different insurance agency but still reputable & well known. Haha still can’t believe you didn’t swear or vocalize at all immediately after the crash. I would’ve been verbally beating myself up.....
Thank you! Oh, there was lots of internal screaming.
Just a car man...im glad you were not seriously injured.
Thanks!
The important thing is that you made out ok and no injuries nor concussions. The rear glass didn’t break I am impressed by the quality of the car ! Seriously.
I laughed so hard with your reaction when you mentioned about the Mustang. Hahaha
I got couple questions for you.
1. What app were you running on your phone? Looks like your car didn’t have the PDR? I am on the fence about this because I am in the process of getting one.
2. What kind of deals are there for the 2022 1LE? Are you able to save some money? Before the pandemic some people got almost $10K off on the brand new 1LEs
Btw great video. Love the quality of it.
Thanks! I appreciate that. The car held up substantially well, but I hit hard enough to do frame damage and total the car. 88 mph into concrete and it looked like a basic fender bender. Kudo’s to GM on that. To answer your questions, no that particular car did not have PDR and I was using the Harry’s Lap Timer app and a GoPro. I’ll drop a link to a video where I cover all the equipment. As far as deals go, I was able to get my 2022 2SS 1LE w/ PDR and a few other options for MSRP. Less actually, but that’s a different story.
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I know I’m super late, (and this might be suuuper stupid) but as a genuine question: would not having abs, and locking up the brakes, as you were fishtailing and still had forward momentum, would have just stopped the car from gripping back to the left and stopped it from hooking and kept it away from the wall?
That’s a great question! Had I not had ABS, I would have locked them up and ended up head first into the wall on the right hand side instead of being able to “potentially” save it by gripping. The issue I had was over-correcting the rotation, which caused me to loop it and send it to the left. Outside of actually saving it, I ended up in the best position for my safety by hitting the concrete wall rear end first. Had I hit the wall on the right, it would have been at a much, much higher speed and potentially much worse for my body.
In the video you can see how the Camaro understeers at the entrance to the curve and there it becomes difficult to control the matter.... Good video and quality...!!
Sorry to see this happen, but really appreciate you making the video. I can't believe that was 21k worth of damage. Doesn't seem right. Did you have an opportunity to remove any of your custom modifications to the car before handing it over to Haggerty? Or do they pretty much want everything as is?
I didn’t have a chance to really take anything off the car. There really wasn’t anything aftermarket besides a cold air intake.
Will hagerty cover aftermarket parts?
@@67cougar5oh when you sign up for the insurance you have to list the value of your aftermarket components. That's the official way to ensure you are covered for those parts/mods.
Thanks for the informative video. Im going through an RLI claim right now (with Zach), and I was wondering if you were asked to send a video of the incident? If you sent them a video, did it give you any complication?
I don’t remember them asking for any video of the incident. Not everyone records their own sessions so I’m not sure why they would ask. I didn’t even have to send pictures iirc as they had an appraiser go to the track to look at the car. I hope that helps. Sorry about your car, hopefully you are doing ok yourself and were not injured.
@@FollowMyLine17 thanks for letting me know! I had a lap timer running on my car so I am reluctant to share the video.
@@chubby_miata no problem! I would say that is between you and your lap timer. The video shouldn’t need to be shared, especially since not everyone records sessions. It shouldn’t make a difference.
@@FollowMyLine17 I’m late so this is probably sorted but I think lying about the video and/or lap timer would be insurance fraud. Lockton doesn’t tell you this upfront (I couldn’t see it) but fortunately I asked. If you use a laptimer for any reason you have to pay for the TT coverage. I let them know I wasn’t going to be comparing my times to anyone else and the event was a regular hpde event and they didn’t care. Would really suck to find out your coverage is void bc of something like that
@@sportbikejesus6297 personally keeping track of your own time, with a stop watch, digital timer, app, PDR, etc. is not the same as a Time Trial. Not sure what you are referring to but I was very up front with Hagerty when this happened. This wasn’t a TT event, and they offer different coverage for TT events. A DE is very different than a TT. You should absolutely register for and insure your car for a TT event if that is what you are running.
What tire setup were you running and is the car stock?
Lloyd Slichenmyer the car had a Holley iNtech cold air intake. The rest was stock aside from brake fluid and brake pads. Tires were the stock Goodyear Supercar 3 tires (285 up front and 305 in rear).
Sorry for the accident and losing the car, man. But thanks a lot for posting this follow up video. I also use Hagerty insurance and it helps a ton to know they follow through if the time comes. In the end did they pay the exact agreed upon value less the deductible? Any other fees or costs or anything you didn't expect? Were you able to take anything off the car before it got towed away?
Dan D no issues and yes they paid the agreed upon value of the car. I was able to get my personal belongings out of the car before they towed it (Codi P. Helped) but I wasn’t going to strip the car, wasn’t sure if I could or not.
@@FollowMyLine17 man you missed out on a bunch of tricks when you total a car like swapping the battery for a junk one and if the tires are good swap the tires with really old junk tires. if your a real dirty birdy you just swap 4 shitty steelies on the car taking the rims too
True, I missed out. I wasn’t really trying to be shady or commit insurance fraud, so I left it as is. Not to mention I was already 350 miles away when then came to pick it up.
Just watched your video. I feel you pain.I have been tracking a long time and it’s not a matter of “if” but “when” you have an accident. The only thing that matters is you walked away with out any injuries. Yes you have a bruised ego but make sure you carefully evaluate what you did wrong. Learn from the accident. What could you have done differently if any at all.
Lastly get back in the seat. First time through the kink take it easy and build you confidence.
I stuff my Vette into the tire wall at T-12 (Oak Tree ) at VIR. The next time on track I was racing W2W and going through T-12 I was nervous. But two laps later I was pushing hard and making passes through the same turn.
Road America is on my bucket list!
I appreciate your words, thank you! I was fortunate enough to have a friend throw me the keys to his car the very next day, and told me to take it through and get back on the horse. It helped tremendously! I have been back since with other cars, and I cannot wait to get my new car back out on the track through the kink in May of 2022!
@@FollowMyLine17 Glad you got back on track the next day. The Camaro is a great car. I considered ZL1 for while after a track day event at Daytona. They are fast and handle well. The down force with the front splitter and big wing was amazing through the Bus Stop. But in the end I couldn’t part with my C6Z/Z07!😁 I’ll sub to keep up with your videos.
@@tomatobob1 I appreciate that very much! If you check my channel I had the pleasure of doing Mid-Ohio in a C7 GS and it was fantastic. If I didn’t need the extra 2 seats for the kids, I would have ordered a C8 or found a C7!
@@FollowMyLine17 I will. I hear ya on the kids!
Sorry to hear about your Camaro bro.
I could see you really loved that Camaro , some people will never understand the Attachment.
Glad you made it out safe tho.
Good luck 👍
PS no mustang lol
Thank you! For sure some people will never understand that it’s not “just a car.” I’ve test driven an M2 Competition, Mustang GT PP1 since the video was made. I’ll be ordering a 2022 SS 1LE as soon as order banks are open for them.
I feel like this came up on my feed for one reason or another. Better safe than sorry..
Get the insurance!
I wrecked my ZL1 at VIR and had Lockton and they were awesome-car was totaled and claim resolved in 2 weeks. Was able to replace the car quick before wife tried to change my mind
First, I’m glad you are ok and here to post about it! Second, I’ve heard great things about Lockton. I haven’t personally used them, but they seem to be the three major players. I’ve used Hagerty as mentioned in the video and I’ve also used OpenTrack.
Sucks sitting there in your baby after the crash. I felt your pain.
Crashed my 2015 5.0 4 months after I bought it on wet roads. I was so pissed I walked home (about 6 miles) after the flat bed hauled it off.....I just pondered my dumb mistake the whole walk home.
I had to sit there for safety reasons. Can’t get out of a car on a hot track unless the car is on fire. Sorry about your Mustang, what did you replace it with?
@@FollowMyLine17 well a 2016 of course!!
But I hurried and got a model that didn’t have all the options my 2015 did….so I traded in for the 2017 you see to the left.
The Ford dealer said I was the only person to have owed a 15, 16, and 17 5.0. Lol
Love that car…..
Hey man..... at least you had insurance! I didn't, and I totalled my daily! Onward and upward and glad you're OK
future62 that sucks man! The benefit I had there is that the car wasn’t my daily driver. I’m glad you are ok as well. That was my first time buying track insurance too. I will ALWAYS buy it from now on.
@@FollowMyLine17 The sucky thing is I had 2 good runs before, and the organizers recommended the insurance right before the 3rd run, when I crashed. You live and you learn though.
I meant to ask, how much was the coverage and what was the value they covered?
I hate to see anyone wreck their baby. Good news is you can upgrade to a challenger and enjoy a cruise ship experience at the track.
Haha. I’ve owned and tracked all three of my Challengers. Check the channel! Videos posted of them on track.
7:13 I felt that
Damn, dude. You were soo close to recovering.
Close, but no cigar!
So how much did it cost though? Surprised you left out the most important aspect haha. Meaning was it a $500 deductible? Most track day insurance policies charge you a set amount for what you pay but then require a certain deductible if you use it?
Charles Hosea each policy would be different. You insure it for an agreed upon value. The deductible in my case was 10% of the value. For example if I tried to insure my car for $800K, they would not agree to that. I insured it for what I still owed on it, plus some mods, and my deductible was $3,550.
I'm really sorry to see this, those ZL1's sound great.. one day I hope I can own a ZL1 1LE... but I need to get my s**t together lol. I'm planning to attend my first track event next month and definetely going to be purchasing Track Insurance with Hagerty... I also purchasing a Simpson Hybrid S Head Neck Restraint, it is sort of HANS like but attaches directly to me and compatible with 3 point seatbelts. I'm definetely going to take things slow, hoping I don't need to use the insurance but it is well worth the cost.
Thank you. I use the Simpson Hybrid and love it. I'm wearing it in that video (you can see the tethers attached to my helmet) and will not go out on track without one. The best thing you can do for yourself when you are new to the track is sign up with an instructor at first, and get as much seat time as possible. Also, the car is an SS, not a ZL1, but the exhaust note is very similar between the two.
Just curious what track/competition mode did you have the car set to?
Hey Paul, the car was in Track, PTM Race.
@@FollowMyLine17 Thanks for answering. Hopefully you are enjoying your 22. I just got my 23 1LE 2SS October 1st. The shipping delays where ridiculous!
Of course! Lots of videos already on the channel with the 2022. You’re going to love your 2023!
Did they allow you to take some parts off?
No, they did not. Car was insured for agreed upon value, including any modifications
Man.. that exhaust sound on the upshifts, I've never heard DSG farts on a manual before Lol.. sick. Is that no lift shifting or something similar that's causing that?
Awesome car man.. sucks that you wrecked, but at least you enjoyed it to the fullest.. also, awesome in car footage, great video overall.
Correct, NLS (No Lift Shift)
@@FollowMyLine17 Is that only available on the 1LE? That's pretty cool.
@@Sigrafix I believe it’s on any Manual Camaro with the Tremec TR-6060
Track Day insurance check, learning to drive, priceless.
For sure. I jumped over to your channel for driving tips and pointers, but I just can’t seem to find any.
@@FollowMyLine17 Not intersted in a channel, just commenting on what I see. Way to hot into the corner.
@@jefflynch9559 well duh…. I even call that out in the video 😅
Why be a douchebag to what is clearly a nice guy providing people with helpful info? I don't know the track but lines look fine. Slower drivers were handled appropriately. Had some understeer and hit grass and lost control. He is not the first and won't be the last. And yeah you can see my race videos. Post your expert videos or shut the hell up you child.
I actually woke up thinking of this wreck after watching it yesterday. I was thinking why didn’t you take the car as a total and fix it just to the point where you could just use it as a track car?
Artagain it’s available on the insurance auction site, I just don’t know that I’d trust it on track at speed again. Onto other things for me...
I'm sorry if I didn't catch this in your video but you still had to pay your 10% or 15% deductible, correct?
That is correct. I had to pay the 10% deductible out of pocket.
@@FollowMyLine17 Thanks for your reply and also thanks for sharing your experience with track insurance!
Sorry to see that video. I loved track days but always had that fear. Cars can be replaced...you can't.
I appreciate that. Luckily, I only had some minor bruising and soreness.
@@FollowMyLine17 Glad to hear. And thanks for the insurance info. I am on a dealer's list for a C8 Z06 to get back to driving at Road Atlanta. Hopefully I never need to use the insurance but it is always reassuring to have it.
Sorry for your loss, dude. I know how you feel. My question is this: Did the power of attorney specify that it was Only valid for that one particular transaction? And did it automatically end after the transaction was complete? Power of attorney is nothing to screw around with casually.
Yes, power of attorney was specific to handling that situation, and nothing else.
Rear quarter panels on Camaros are total losses. Got rear ended at 45mph and destroyed my rear end and right QP on 3yo Camaro with 20k miles and was a total loss.
Makes sense. It’s. All one piece to the A-pillar. Sorry for your loss.
My heart is gutted for you on the loss of the SS 1LE. Maybe you can add a ZL1 1LE to your stable soon :-)
I'd love to! I'm not sure I can afford to track a ZL1 1LE, as the consumables (Fuel, tires, brake pads) are almost double in cost in comparison.
Yes, SS 1LE for the win.
Sorry for your loss on the car. I track a Shelby GT350 so I've bought track insurance many times. Were you liable for any track damage to the wall you hit? Thanks man.
I gave all my track insurance coverage information to Road America, so I truly do not know the answer. I never received a bill or invoice for the concrete barriers (watch my recovery video, you can see the heavy equipment move the 4 concrete barriers back into place) or for the medical care I received afterwards at Road America’s medical center.
@@FollowMyLine17 interesting and glad you're ok man. I put my Shelby into the wall at Road ATL and just did a little paint transfer. Nothing major at all. Just skimmed the wall and the track charged me $385. I could have covered up the paint transfer in less than 5 minutes and made it look Brand new. I was just curious cause I think I got ripped off. Live n learn... just subbed! Be careful out there buddy
@@316racingchannel9 thanks! I subbed as well. I should have some upcoming footage from Autobahn CC soon. I think you paid more for the labor than actual materials. I need to get back out to Road Atlanta as the last time I was there I was in a significantly slower car.
@@FollowMyLine17 you get back down this way please let me know. We'll definitely hook up! I'm gonna go back and catch up on all your videos. I'm looking forward to it. Take care buddy!!
Absolutely! @@316racingchannel9