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Valerie is described to be a fashion designer from Johto. If she isn't a kimono girl or someone who tried to become one, then maybe she used to design their clothes.
As stated above Furisode are a more formal style of Kimono usually for young unmarried women, characterized by the longer sleeves and colorful designs typically made of silk. Yukata are also Kimono but for light informal summer use made of cotton. There are many other types as well like Kuro or Iro Tomesodes which are also more formal styles of Kimono and there are also various styles of obi from the Formal Fukuro Obi to the Informal Hanhaba often seen with yukata. Not all rectangles are squares but all squares are rectangles. Kimono are the rectangle so to speak; an all accompanying word for traditional Japanese dress. I buy and wear Kimono alot and fortunately have been taught how to wear them in part by Ohio Kimono who travel to various festivals and conventions ^~^
I doubt she'd even bother, the kimonos they wear don't really fit her taste for bold, bright, pastel colors. Then again, she used to be a model and models can't exactly be picky.
One detail that was missed in this video that I think is worth talking about: she actually did eventually get a Leafeon in the anime when she returned in Journeys. And unlike in Pokemon Masters, she doesn't change her outfit when she uses it, either. Speaking of her outfit and general design, it's quite weird how different she looked when she first appeared in the anime: not only did she have blue hair for some reason (even though it was changed in Journeys to match her official design), but she also didn't wear a kimono, either, and her profession outside of battling was changed as well to making perfumes. In short, for her original appearance in the anime, she was practically a completely different character other than name and status as Celadon City's gym leader
Pretty sure I have a card called Erika's Perfume! Always thought it was a little odd, since I didn't remember anything about her that specifically related to perfumes, though I did figure it related to her Gloom and many grass types being able to use Sweet Scent. Boy do I ever not remember just how blue that hair used to be though. When you said it was blue, I was like, "Oh, sure! Black hair stylized in such a way that it looks like a shiny navy so that it isn't a dark void!" and then I googled it... it's pretty much ROYAL blue 🤣
The anime was in production before the games were finalized so a lot of the anime designs were beta designs of the characters before their final versions So they never had the chance to update her design until journeys
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I somehow missed Erika’s episode in the anime. The Special Manga was my only experience with her in which she is the leader of the Kanto gym leaders. Very different character.
But seemed quite nice. Like the quiet, respectful girl who loves nature being the person to lead the strongest trainers of kanto (not counting e4) was badass. Also, considering she's quite the peaceful gal, I wouldn't be surprised if she was the first one to stand up in times of need
When I was younger, I half-sarcastically thought they didn't have a grass-type Eeveelution because they couldn't come up with a good name for it. The most I could think of was "Leafeon," which I immediately dismissed because I thought it sounded silly. "Leafia" has the same issue. And then they introduced Leafeon. In Gen IV. As if they'd given up on finding a better name but wanted to release their cool idea alongside Glaceon anyway. A part of me still kind of believes my own childhood theory.
Another point is that 2/3rds of her gen 1/3 team are pokemon that evolves with a lead stone. IF leafeon was planned back in gen 1, and if it was planned to evolve via leaf stone, then her having vileplume, victreebel, and leafeon would've made for a nice "leaf stone evos" theme for her team.
Fun fact erika is based of stereotypical Bavarian because her name erika is a name of a German song and in the song it talks about a flower that is also a human which this is the reason her signa suit is based off of Bavarian people
Something that I have always been thinking about (and having a pet peeve) is that characters that look like they come from another region don't retroactively say they come from said region even when it would make perfect sense. Examples being Lt. Surge being from Unova, or Phoebe being from Alola, Fantina being from Kalos, or yeah, Erica being from Johto.
I thought they alluded to Surge's background in the PWT in BW2. Apparently Fantina speaks broken English in the Japanese version so maybe she's from Galar. Anyone remember that Looker also speaks weirdly like he doesn't know Japanese well? I know he's mostly a Lupin III reference (Zenigata in particular) but he might also be a reference to the Doctor considering the subject matter of the DPPt and the time Platinum came out Tennant was already the Doctor for three years who is the one he shares his appearance with the most. How about the fact Marlon is a surfer on a very Hawaiian inspired city? Orre being based on Arizona which is located in America?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yeah, I guess the argument of Fantina being from Kalos is a bit flimsy considering in Japanese she speaks like the "quirky foreigner" that Japanese is not her first language so she literally could be from anywhere. Well, the point of Legends Arceus is that everyone from the Galaxy Expedition Team are a group of foreigners researchers studying and forming bonds with the local area. And in Japanese, Laventon talks in English (and not in katakana but full English words) and he describes Copperraja as "coming from his homeland". Some people might say he comes from an India-inspired region but since he speaks in a very English manner (as in a "oh golly" kinda way), he must be referring to Galar.
@@monkey_blu People also thought Galar because he has dark skin like Hop, Leon, and Peony and Rose and a purple hate that matches the first two's hair color so they thought he was their ancestor (racistly though), but his name and mannerisms definitely seemed British to me. We know Kamado and Mochi have Galar ancestry though. Maybe Clay is from Orre?
@@monkey_blu well he could still be from India. You have to remember that India was a British colony between the mid 1800s to the mid 1900s and Legends Arceus is likely based on the Meiji Restoration which is 1868-1889. While India was under British rule, there could have been schools set up to teach English. Realistically if Legends is based closer to the 1889 date than the 1868 one the professor could have been born in the British colonization and get a British education for most of his life depending on how old he is.
Interestingly Erika may have some ties to the ghost type given her gen 1 sprite. Not only is she levitating a pokeball with some supernatural power but she is also wearing a kimono ment for corpses. She was originally intended as a ghost type gym leader so these aspects probably just blended over, but it does make some thematic sense. The roots of life reaches all the way to the underworld where the dead feed life and is in turn revitalized by it. It also helps explain Erika's choice in flowers and grass type pokemon.
My headcannon is that because the Kimono girls were "full" Erika went on to become a gym leader, at some point she went to sinnoh (maybe with jasmine) to train and her eevee evolved into a new form, but at that point she was already committed to being a gym leader. Also the Girls had a huge, "male" fan that ended up transitioning and joined them with her slyveon.
Just FYI, not all cases of narcolepsy result in perpetual drowsiness. A friend of mine in college had his triggered by getting too excited. He'd be playing a video game and getting really into it, then BAM out like a light
so how much are the varying degrees of narcolepsy? like the degrees of it? my first impression of it is simply like a minor defect of a person just having a generally low stamina. like, being active only at 5-8 hours a day before snoozing. Maybe needing a 9-12 HR sleep? correct me if I am wrong.
so how much are the varying degrees of narcolepsy? like the degrees of it? my first impression of it is simply like a minor defect of a person just having a generally low stamina. like, being active only at 5-8 hours a day before snoozing. Maybe needing a 9-12 HR sleep? correct me if I am wrong.
@@jirehtheprovider idk. I only know this one person. I also slightly over dramatized it and made it sound like he's fainting, but after triggering it is when extreme exhaustion would overcome him and he would have time to find a place to lie down. Most of the time he had just as much energy as anyone else
Fun fact about narcolepsy! Though it sounds contradictory, you can be a diagnosed narcoleptic while simultaneously having an insomnia diagnosis. Source: My medical records.
Surprisingly Eevee's location in the Kanto games is Celadon City itself. Is it not possible that Erika hid the Eevee she had because she couldn't be a Kimono girl and thus she decided to abandon her Eevee out of sheer embarrassment?
My headcanon always was that Erika and Valerie are former/retired Kimono girls with leafeon and sylveon respectively. But who could be the missing icy type Kimono Girl for Glaceon?
Could it be the person who became the first Froslass? Froslass appears to have a kimono-inspired design, and is said said be a woman who got lost in the cold and died before her spirit became a Pokémon. ...but that's just a theory. A Pokémon theory!
There's that new Ice type gym leader from Gen 9 that everyone thought was a girl because his face is concealed and he has long hair. What are the odds he has a Glaceon and cross dressed in a kimono before?
@@nefariosgliscor I would LOVE that! Have Them be someone who tried to become a Kimono girl and was thrown out for not “being a girl” but one of the training Eevee’s went with and eventually evolved into Glaceon.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Erikas other alternate outfit from Masters for Christmas also isn't a Kimono? It has traits of one, but it isn't as far as I can tell. As for Erika herself, I'm not sure if I'd say her wearing a kimono and being an oujo-sama type of character necessarily means she has a connection to the Kimono Girls of Ecruteak City, I think it's just as possible that she has no relation to them, but wears a kimono for similar, although more familial reasons, rather than general traditional reasons like the Kimono Girls in Ecruteak seem to do. She might've even taken somewhat similar studies as them, but again, I don't think that points towards any relation necessarily. Then also taking geographical distance into account... yeah, seems more likely that she got her tutoring on these matters in Kanto.
Kanto and Johto are literally connected though? And the cities with the magnet train both border the city where Erika/The Kimono Girls live. Sorry but geographic distance is the least likely reason that this theory wouldn’t work. I mean we literally have Kabu who moved from Hoenn to Galar to play soccer and then became gym leader in Galar too. Those regions are wayyyyyyy further away and it’s canon. And that’s just one example
@@Embtic First, Kabu isn't really the best example here, he literally changed his permanent residence, as far as we're aware Erika always lived in Kanto, or at least we have no mention of her moving from somewhere. I also don't think it was ever mentioned anywhere that Kabu moved to Galar to play soccer? He was a former member of Hoenns Elite 4 from what I recall and from there chose to participate in Galars league, probably because it was more developed/more spectacular due to Dynamax than Hoenns. Anyways, you're right that Kanto and Johto are close, so moving between them isn't too far fetched, I mean, we learn that Bill literally grew up in Johto, but has his own residence in Kanto that he lived in throughout the entirety of Gen 1, but moved back to his parents home in Gen 2. Still, as I mentioned, we have no real indication that Erika spent a lot of time in Johto at any point (pretty sure the magnet rail is also relatively new by the time Gen 2 is set? I mean, the train station literally didn't even exist in Gen 1 yet, it's something that was only built in recent years, so before that travel between those two cities probably wasn't that quick), and even if there was the option of her just traveling between regions each day (which again, the rail probably wasn't even finished back then, it wasn't as fast as it is by the time of Gen 2, even if there were other options), considering she's a rich lady, wouldn't it make more sense for her family to organize a private tutor or search for a more local school if possible? Like, since the regions aren't that far apart, shouldn't the same culture that exists in Johto not also have at least some presence in Kanto?
As for Leafeon, the screenshot of Pinsir at 6:05 is from an episode all about her Leafeon. So I think her being part of the Kimono Girls and just not actively taking part in it anymore makes sense. She's also portrayed as a very uptight and "proper" young woman (shows in her speech patterns in the anime too; idk about the games but I assume it's similar), so her wearing a kimono almost all the time makes a lot of sense. She probably just doesn't actively use Leafeon in battle most of the time.
Another great video making the understanding of lore go deeper in more details. Your channel makes me think pokemon plots are 100 times more complicated than the games show.
if erika was meant to be the leafeon kimono girl, what if valerie was meant to be the sylveon kimono girl, maybe she was kicked out for her extravagant sense of fashion but who is then the glaceon kimono girl? 🤔
I remember reading somewhere about a theory that Valerie( from X&Y) is Bill’s younger sister. Apparently there is a throwaway line about bill’s younger sister having odd eyes then we later get Valerie with her Creepy fairy eyes 👀
Erika's also a bit gossipy or teasy I think, in HeartGold, when she's talking Jasmine, she basically disses on Clair and her outfit, by tricking Jasmine into saying that a blue outfit with a cape is embarrassing, and that she takes notes on Jasmine's comments.
I didn't get into anime until my friend introduced me to Sailor Moon. I never watched the Pokemon Anime, as it wasn't really my thing. But after this video, I'm willing to give it a try. ^^
I’m honestly surprised it took until Gen 4 to have a Grass type Eeveelution. Also for a long time I wondered why compared to Gen 2 we only got two pre-evolutions and no evolutions of old Pokemon in Gen 3. Then I learned about how Gen 3 was Game Freak’s first attempt at doing a reboot of sorts.
Cheers for mentioning SS Erika from Masters! I kinda see her SS outfit as retroactively being a modernized depiction of SS Lyra's "ancient" dress that she got from Celebi... or maybe not, but they're both green w/ rhombus-paterned skirts, and they both have flowery headbands too.
@@Surkk2960 Her Leafeon hits like an even harder truck when it's paired up w/ said Celebi, especially if you add the Mighty Friend 9 tile at 3/5 as well.
Oh man, I feel you on the 3 episode vhs. The video rental store only had something like 10 vhs from the first and third seasons. If I got good grades that week my mom would let me rent 3 vhs on Friday. I would get them, and watch them, over and over again.
I think it is the former as Erika was a kimono girl but left to focus more on training but right around the time she left she also got the narcolepsy and due to being a FORMER kimono girl respects her peers so she dont use leafeons in kimonos anymore
I wnna note 2 things here! First off, Erika's alternate outfit is actually STILL Japanese based, as it's based on Lolita fashion, which, while inspired by Victorian fashion, still originates in Japan! Second, a good friend of mine is also narcoleptic and it can be SCARY. Once saw the man fall asleep mid conversation, with a cup of coffee in hand. He almost broke his head open on the tiles (thankfully he was caught)
Hope we get to see Erika interact with the Kimono girls but instead of a rivalry relationship, they both accept and respect each other's goals and ideals. That'd be an interesting interaction.
Hi lockstin. New Pokémon Masters EX villain arc gave us a second Kyurem. None of the characters knew why a second one exists but they knew, specially Ghetsis, that there should be only one Original Dragon and one Kyurem. Hint to Legends Unova maybe? Masters EX gave us a super big spoiler for Legends Arceus with Cynthia and Giratina before anyone even knew Volo exsisted or that Cynthia is a descendant of Volo
@@KP-vf6hu I keep playing the game since it's nice. BUT when the trainer stories came, things got interesting. We were given a slight glimpse into Professor Oak and Agatha's past in greater detail than all other games. And then the Big One that happened a year ago. Cynthia is Volo's descendant. We players kept saying that the entire villain arc in the game somehow ties into the new Legends game but nobody listened to us. Now I just play this game to report on whatever peculiarities I find in the game whether through dialogue or outfit designs
nah, pokemon masters story/lore is mostly unrelated to the main series. and also inconsistant with timeline stuff. for example its still only 5 years since hugh's sister's purrloin got stolen yet the events of gen 7 games still happened. also hoopa shenanagains.
@@SJrad I know the game timeline is convoluted. But my original comment still stands. I'm calling attention to it cos it might be another Cynthia - Giratina moment. Y'all mainline players denied our theories and hunches that Cynthia and Giratina's appearance don't mean anything, we kept saying it ties in to Legends Arceus but none of you listened. Since the new event is a Villain arc with a part 2 coming mid November, just like how the Volo - Cynthia thing was made in Masters EX, big chance this villain arc will hint to either a remake, another Legends game, or something else regarding unova
I had one of those VHS types! It was the one with the episodes where Ash got Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander. I blame it was called Pokemon and Friends. Such good memories.
There are probably different forms of narcolepsy, but the one I'm most familiar with is people who don't sleep. They just don't get tired or drowsy. They go about their life and will just sorta nod off for a few seconds or minutes every once in a while. Every so often they'll "crash" and actually sleep for several hours, but it happens rarely and at random.
“Maybe she doesn’t use leafeon because she failed her geisha training-“ Oh, wow, that’s so sad. “-for having a disability!” Dang, that got dark fast...
The Pokémon VHS tape I had as a kid started with the episode where the SS Anne had already sunk and every was stuck inside. I never had the chance to see how they got in that situation until years later lol
I also grew up on discounted Pokémon vhs tapes with 3 episodes per box 😂 started from the bottom now we're here 😂 Erika has also been my favorite gym leader, I love her grace and grass type Pokémon 🪷 23 years later and still catching em all 💚
I think it’s so cute he though Japan was just fantasy Pokémon world. I grew up in Japan mainly in yukata or kimono. While my parents worked my grandparents weren’t familiar with western style clothes enough to put me in them. 😅
3:24 Agh! (Accidental jumpscare of your ringlight replacing your eyes by being reflected in your glasses l) XD Had to double take and check to see there was no special edit there :P
8:05 Misty also gets Vaporeon in Masters, Lucas gets Flareon, Kris gets Jolteon, Rachel has and Karen got Umbreon and while Espeon isn't in yet, I think we can safely say we won't be seeing the Kimono Girls in Masters.
If you end up doing more videos like these (which would be amazingg) than I would like a vid revolving around the Elite 4. Not at in the indivisual members but more so general things like what their roles are and how they get their jobs and stuff.
The fact that you used a lady who is, if I remember correctly, is Scandinavian or Norwegian as one of you examples of the modern iteration of an Ojou. I mean Luvia Edelfelt from the Type-Moon franchise. I will admit that from what I know of her it matches, it is just funny to me.
I never would've guessed I was older than you, but I was twice your age when the games came out, so now, I definitely feel old. Anyway, the Yamato Nadeshiko mention made me remember that there are two Pokemon based on styles that developed in pushback to that style, Jynx and Gothorita. Ganguro/kurogal/yamanba and lolita are the opposite of a Yamato Nadeshiko, but taken in different directions. Either of these Pokemon could sweep Erika's team.
I was diagnosed with narcolepsy at age 23. It's a massive pain. If you take any medication that has drowsiness as a serious side effect, then you're basically screwed lol. 😂 I can totally see that being a reason why she couldn't become a Kimono Girl. I once got fired from a job because I couldn't stop dosing off right before lunch (I was on medication, prescribed, at the time- didn't realize until later I could've filed a labor complaint lol). Maybe they don't gave that kind of qualifying assistance or rules for the Kimono Girls? Poor Erika.
oomg.. the vhs tapes were played out at my house .... from the first electric gym against raichu, to the conclusion of the S.S Anne ... omg literally any pokemon form these episodes (other than raticate) has to be on my regular team due to this ...
As someone who was far more into the games than the anime even as a kid, can second Erika being the best. Plus she got even better as I got older, played HGSS and realised she's a spliffed out lesbian trying to get it on with Jasmine.
There is a far easier reason of explaining why she does not use Leafeon. And that is her Pokemon type. And I do not mean "Grass" type, but, the basic physiology of the Pokemon themselves. If you look at all of her Pokemon throughout the core games they all follow one of three groups (sometimes crossing over). And this is for the Core Games, as in the Stadium Games...her teams...contain non-grass types. The following will list all the Pokemon she used in the core main games and not spin offs such as Stadium or Masters. Fist Group, and the Most Obvious one: The Pokemon has Flowers on them. Such as, Vileplume, Gloom, Bellossom, Roserade, Venusaur, and Lilligant. Second Group, and still fairly obvious: The Pokemon is very obviously a plant. Such as, Victreebel, Tangela, Jumpluff, Tangrowth, Exeggutor, Abomasnow, and Whimsicott. Third Group: The Pokemon look like they can be plants, even though they are not. Shiftry, Cradily (I think you said in a past video that the things it is based on are not actually plants? Could be wrong, and if I am, it would be in the second group), and Parasect (It's a Mushroom!). Leafeon, does not have a single flower on it, it is obviously a beast and not a plant, and it cannot be mistaken for a plant at all. In other words, Erika uses not just Grass Types, but PLANT type or Plant related Pokemon. Leafeon, is not a plant, nor is related to any plants (as far as I can see), and thus, fails to meet the criteria for her Pokemon team. So, I don't think she failed at becoming a Kimono Girl, rather, she loves plants and flowers and decided to not use a Leafeon as that would go against her aesthetics. TL:DR: She is just picky about what she wants on her team and Leafeon does not fit her tastes.
Yeah, i dont see the need for her to be a failed Kimono girl just because she didn't get her Eeveelution until rather recently. My point of view being, that in the manga she already has/owns an Eevee that can change into the different Eeveelution forms at will after it was unfortunately being tampered with by team rocket.
I agree with some of what you said overall but it could change over time because the developers wanted to it could be a secret. I'm kind of glad you did a video on this. I do believe that it would probably be out of respect she would not use it she probably got the training but she was not able to complete it and because of that she could not use her Leafeon while she was wearing a kimono and her agreement so they don't anger the spirits in context a returning force of trying to bring back Shadow Pokemon would occur as an old Legend. there's actually just headcanon in my head for now. then keep repeating I can use them only in different ways.
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All eeveelutions are awesome. Umbreon and Glaceon are tied for my favorite out of the bunch
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And then Erika got a Leafeon in Journeys. So there goes that theory.
Leafeon is my favorite Pokémon.
Speaking of a gym leader wearing a kimono(I think) that has an Eeveelution, I wonder if the same could be said about Valerie.
That’s a furisode, it’s different.
Valerie is described to be a fashion designer from Johto. If she isn't a kimono girl or someone who tried to become one, then maybe she used to design their clothes.
@@off-the-grounder568 furisode is a style of kimono
As stated above Furisode are a more formal style of Kimono usually for young unmarried women, characterized by the longer sleeves and colorful designs typically made of silk. Yukata are also Kimono but for light informal summer use made of cotton. There are many other types as well like Kuro or Iro Tomesodes which are also more formal styles of Kimono and there are also various styles of obi from the Formal Fukuro Obi to the Informal Hanhaba often seen with yukata. Not all rectangles are squares but all squares are rectangles. Kimono are the rectangle so to speak; an all accompanying word for traditional Japanese dress. I buy and wear Kimono alot and fortunately have been taught how to wear them in part by Ohio Kimono who travel to various festivals and conventions ^~^
I doubt she'd even bother, the kimonos they wear don't really fit her taste for bold, bright, pastel colors. Then again, she used to be a model and models can't exactly be picky.
One detail that was missed in this video that I think is worth talking about: she actually did eventually get a Leafeon in the anime when she returned in Journeys. And unlike in Pokemon Masters, she doesn't change her outfit when she uses it, either. Speaking of her outfit and general design, it's quite weird how different she looked when she first appeared in the anime: not only did she have blue hair for some reason (even though it was changed in Journeys to match her official design), but she also didn't wear a kimono, either, and her profession outside of battling was changed as well to making perfumes. In short, for her original appearance in the anime, she was practically a completely different character other than name and status as Celadon City's gym leader
Pretty sure I have a card called Erika's Perfume! Always thought it was a little odd, since I didn't remember anything about her that specifically related to perfumes, though I did figure it related to her Gloom and many grass types being able to use Sweet Scent. Boy do I ever not remember just how blue that hair used to be though. When you said it was blue, I was like, "Oh, sure! Black hair stylized in such a way that it looks like a shiny navy so that it isn't a dark void!" and then I googled it... it's pretty much ROYAL blue 🤣
A lot of perfume is made with flowers so it didn’t change her profession at all lol
The anime was in production before the games were finalized so a lot of the anime designs were beta designs of the characters before their final versions
So they never had the chance to update her design until journeys
@@madnessarcade7447Same reason why blaine looks different
Erika is an S Tier Gym Leader in terms of Design and Looks
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could not have said it any better
Are you being fr??
And now with this she has excellent LOOOOOORE
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"Wow, this gym is full of...incredible lore!" -Lockstin, peeking inside the Celadon Gym
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I somehow missed Erika’s episode in the anime. The Special Manga was my only experience with her in which she is the leader of the Kanto gym leaders. Very different character.
But seemed quite nice. Like the quiet, respectful girl who loves nature being the person to lead the strongest trainers of kanto (not counting e4) was badass. Also, considering she's quite the peaceful gal, I wouldn't be surprised if she was the first one to stand up in times of need
When I was younger, I half-sarcastically thought they didn't have a grass-type Eeveelution because they couldn't come up with a good name for it. The most I could think of was "Leafeon," which I immediately dismissed because I thought it sounded silly. "Leafia" has the same issue.
And then they introduced Leafeon. In Gen IV. As if they'd given up on finding a better name but wanted to release their cool idea alongside Glaceon anyway.
A part of me still kind of believes my own childhood theory.
Foliageon
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@@JailBirbo Too many syllables, doesn't roll off the tongue well. It's the same problem as Regieleki.
I think Frondeon could of worked as it still involves leaves which is essentially leafeons entire design, but is more creative than just "Leafeon".
@@trumpeterjen ik i just decided to copy someone lol
Another point is that 2/3rds of her gen 1/3 team are pokemon that evolves with a lead stone. IF leafeon was planned back in gen 1, and if it was planned to evolve via leaf stone, then her having vileplume, victreebel, and leafeon would've made for a nice "leaf stone evos" theme for her team.
She had Leafeon in the anime in journeys, odd you didn't mention it when you have pics of the decorated pinsir from the same episode
Fun fact erika is based of stereotypical Bavarian because her name erika is a name of a German song and in the song it talks about a flower that is also a human which this is the reason her signa suit is based off of Bavarian people
Something that I have always been thinking about (and having a pet peeve) is that characters that look like they come from another region don't retroactively say they come from said region even when it would make perfect sense.
Examples being Lt. Surge being from Unova, or Phoebe being from Alola, Fantina being from Kalos, or yeah, Erica being from Johto.
Also the fact that Fantina's voice lines and sentences in almost all media is incredibly French... and yet no mention of Kalos even in modern games.
I thought they alluded to Surge's background in the PWT in BW2. Apparently Fantina speaks broken English in the Japanese version so maybe she's from Galar. Anyone remember that Looker also speaks weirdly like he doesn't know Japanese well? I know he's mostly a Lupin III reference (Zenigata in particular) but he might also be a reference to the Doctor considering the subject matter of the DPPt and the time Platinum came out Tennant was already the Doctor for three years who is the one he shares his appearance with the most. How about the fact Marlon is a surfer on a very Hawaiian inspired city? Orre being based on Arizona which is located in America?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yeah, I guess the argument of Fantina being from Kalos is a bit flimsy considering in Japanese she speaks like the "quirky foreigner" that Japanese is not her first language so she literally could be from anywhere.
Well, the point of Legends Arceus is that everyone from the Galaxy Expedition Team are a group of foreigners researchers studying and forming bonds with the local area. And in Japanese, Laventon talks in English (and not in katakana but full English words) and he describes Copperraja as "coming from his homeland". Some people might say he comes from an India-inspired region but since he speaks in a very English manner (as in a "oh golly" kinda way), he must be referring to Galar.
@@monkey_blu People also thought Galar because he has dark skin like Hop, Leon, and Peony and Rose and a purple hate that matches the first two's hair color so they thought he was their ancestor (racistly though), but his name and mannerisms definitely seemed British to me. We know Kamado and Mochi have Galar ancestry though. Maybe Clay is from Orre?
@@monkey_blu well he could still be from India. You have to remember that India was a British colony between the mid 1800s to the mid 1900s and Legends Arceus is likely based on the Meiji Restoration which is 1868-1889. While India was under British rule, there could have been schools set up to teach English. Realistically if Legends is based closer to the 1889 date than the 1868 one the professor could have been born in the British colonization and get a British education for most of his life depending on how old he is.
Interestingly Erika may have some ties to the ghost type given her gen 1 sprite. Not only is she levitating a pokeball with some supernatural power but she is also wearing a kimono ment for corpses. She was originally intended as a ghost type gym leader so these aspects probably just blended over, but it does make some thematic sense. The roots of life reaches all the way to the underworld where the dead feed life and is in turn revitalized by it. It also helps explain Erika's choice in flowers and grass type pokemon.
Erika's relationship with gloom was so percious.
My headcannon is that because the Kimono girls were "full" Erika went on to become a gym leader, at some point she went to sinnoh (maybe with jasmine) to train and her eevee evolved into a new form, but at that point she was already committed to being a gym leader.
Also the Girls had a huge, "male" fan that ended up transitioning and joined them with her slyveon.
Just FYI, not all cases of narcolepsy result in perpetual drowsiness. A friend of mine in college had his triggered by getting too excited. He'd be playing a video game and getting really into it, then BAM out like a light
so how much are the varying degrees of narcolepsy?
like the degrees of it? my first impression of it is simply like a minor defect of a person just having a generally low stamina. like, being active only at 5-8 hours a day before snoozing. Maybe needing a 9-12 HR sleep?
correct me if I am wrong.
so how much are the varying degrees of narcolepsy?
like the degrees of it? my first impression of it is simply like a minor defect of a person just having a generally low stamina. like, being active only at 5-8 hours a day before snoozing. Maybe needing a 9-12 HR sleep?
correct me if I am wrong.
@@jirehtheprovider idk. I only know this one person. I also slightly over dramatized it and made it sound like he's fainting, but after triggering it is when extreme exhaustion would overcome him and he would have time to find a place to lie down. Most of the time he had just as much energy as anyone else
She actually has a Leafeon in one of the Pokemon Journey episodes. She uses it to create a new perfume that she sells at her gym.
*falls over* "...oh no, it corrupted."
What a way to end a video! 😆
Fun fact about narcolepsy! Though it sounds contradictory, you can be a diagnosed narcoleptic while simultaneously having an insomnia diagnosis.
Source: My medical records.
Surprisingly Eevee's location in the Kanto games is Celadon City itself. Is it not possible that Erika hid the Eevee she had because she couldn't be a Kimono girl and thus she decided to abandon her Eevee out of sheer embarrassment?
My headcanon always was that Erika and Valerie are former/retired Kimono girls with leafeon and sylveon respectively. But who could be the missing icy type Kimono Girl for Glaceon?
Could it be the person who became the first Froslass? Froslass appears to have a kimono-inspired design, and is said said be a woman who got lost in the cold and died before her spirit became a Pokémon.
...but that's just a theory. A Pokémon theory!
Oooohh!! No one we know of, but I like the idea! We need a Kimono wearing girl with a Glaceon!
🤔... Brycen maybe?
There's that new Ice type gym leader from Gen 9 that everyone thought was a girl because his face is concealed and he has long hair. What are the odds he has a Glaceon and cross dressed in a kimono before?
@@nefariosgliscor I would LOVE that! Have Them be someone who tried to become a Kimono girl and was thrown out for not “being a girl” but one of the training Eevee’s went with and eventually evolved into Glaceon.
“I kissed a box and I liked it.”
-Lockstin, 2022
"A box" is a weird nickname for your wife but ok
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Erikas other alternate outfit from Masters for Christmas also isn't a Kimono? It has traits of one, but it isn't as far as I can tell.
As for Erika herself, I'm not sure if I'd say her wearing a kimono and being an oujo-sama type of character necessarily means she has a connection to the Kimono Girls of Ecruteak City, I think it's just as possible that she has no relation to them, but wears a kimono for similar, although more familial reasons, rather than general traditional reasons like the Kimono Girls in Ecruteak seem to do. She might've even taken somewhat similar studies as them, but again, I don't think that points towards any relation necessarily. Then also taking geographical distance into account... yeah, seems more likely that she got her tutoring on these matters in Kanto.
Kanto and Johto are literally connected though? And the cities with the magnet train both border the city where Erika/The Kimono Girls live. Sorry but geographic distance is the least likely reason that this theory wouldn’t work. I mean we literally have Kabu who moved from Hoenn to Galar to play soccer and then became gym leader in Galar too. Those regions are wayyyyyyy further away and it’s canon. And that’s just one example
@@Embtic First, Kabu isn't really the best example here, he literally changed his permanent residence, as far as we're aware Erika always lived in Kanto, or at least we have no mention of her moving from somewhere. I also don't think it was ever mentioned anywhere that Kabu moved to Galar to play soccer? He was a former member of Hoenns Elite 4 from what I recall and from there chose to participate in Galars league, probably because it was more developed/more spectacular due to Dynamax than Hoenns.
Anyways, you're right that Kanto and Johto are close, so moving between them isn't too far fetched, I mean, we learn that Bill literally grew up in Johto, but has his own residence in Kanto that he lived in throughout the entirety of Gen 1, but moved back to his parents home in Gen 2. Still, as I mentioned, we have no real indication that Erika spent a lot of time in Johto at any point (pretty sure the magnet rail is also relatively new by the time Gen 2 is set? I mean, the train station literally didn't even exist in Gen 1 yet, it's something that was only built in recent years, so before that travel between those two cities probably wasn't that quick), and even if there was the option of her just traveling between regions each day (which again, the rail probably wasn't even finished back then, it wasn't as fast as it is by the time of Gen 2, even if there were other options), considering she's a rich lady, wouldn't it make more sense for her family to organize a private tutor or search for a more local school if possible? Like, since the regions aren't that far apart, shouldn't the same culture that exists in Johto not also have at least some presence in Kanto?
As for Leafeon, the screenshot of Pinsir at 6:05 is from an episode all about her Leafeon. So I think her being part of the Kimono Girls and just not actively taking part in it anymore makes sense. She's also portrayed as a very uptight and "proper" young woman (shows in her speech patterns in the anime too; idk about the games but I assume it's similar), so her wearing a kimono almost all the time makes a lot of sense. She probably just doesn't actively use Leafeon in battle most of the time.
In the manga she's a straight up rich lady with servants and you see that on card art with her too
Another great video making the understanding of lore go deeper in more details. Your channel makes me think pokemon plots are 100 times more complicated than the games show.
She was also supposed to be a ghost type trainer in the planning stages, as seen in her original artwork.
if erika was meant to be the leafeon kimono girl, what if valerie was meant to be the sylveon kimono girl, maybe she was kicked out for her extravagant sense of fashion but who is then the glaceon kimono girl? 🤔
Valerie actually says in Masters that she’s not a Kimono Girl, but a Fashion Designer.
So she probably never was in geisha training.
Must have been Grusha, kicked out for being a guy.
Whoever edited deserves a raise and a few gold stars. 11/10
I remember reading somewhere about a theory that Valerie( from X&Y) is Bill’s younger sister. Apparently there is a throwaway line about bill’s younger sister having odd eyes then we later get Valerie with her Creepy fairy eyes 👀
Lockstin shows Luvia as an Ojou...
The same girl who just suplexes you the moment you fight against her
The Anya face moment lol
Never gets old! 😆
Erika has a Leafeon in one of the most recent anime episodes on Netflix, Ultimate Journeys! The episode is called "Suffering the Flings and Arrows!"
Erika's also a bit gossipy or teasy I think, in HeartGold, when she's talking Jasmine, she basically disses on Clair and her outfit, by tricking Jasmine into saying that a blue outfit with a cape is embarrassing, and that she takes notes on Jasmine's comments.
I didn't get into anime until my friend introduced me to Sailor Moon. I never watched the Pokemon Anime, as it wasn't really my thing. But after this video, I'm willing to give it a try. ^^
Technically we also battle the Ecruteak kimono girls in HGSS in gen 4 where Leafeon and Glaceon already existed...
I liked all the OG Gym leaders in the Kanto region lol. Plus having a fire type to fight her and Koga was such a breeze lol
Bonus points for using Luvia as an example of ojou!
I’m honestly surprised it took until Gen 4 to have a Grass type Eeveelution.
Also for a long time I wondered why compared to Gen 2 we only got two pre-evolutions and no evolutions of old Pokemon in Gen 3. Then I learned about how Gen 3 was Game Freak’s first attempt at doing a reboot of sorts.
Erika actually has a leafeon in Pokemon Ultimate Journeys, though the english batch of episodes likely weren't out when this video was being made.
Cheers for mentioning SS Erika from Masters! I kinda see her SS outfit as retroactively being a modernized depiction of SS Lyra's "ancient" dress that she got from Celebi... or maybe not, but they're both green w/ rhombus-paterned skirts, and they both have flowery headbands too.
Her Leafeon also hits like a truck when its sunny.
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Her Leafeon hits like an even harder truck when it's paired up w/ said Celebi, especially if you add the Mighty Friend 9 tile at 3/5 as well.
Oh man, I feel you on the 3 episode vhs. The video rental store only had something like 10 vhs from the first and third seasons. If I got good grades that week my mom would let me rent 3 vhs on Friday. I would get them, and watch them, over and over again.
Erika went through all this just to have ash sneak in and team rocket destroy the gym 💀
One of my favorite lockstin theories yet!
I think it is the former as Erika was a kimono girl but left to focus more on training but right around the time she left she also got the narcolepsy and due to being a FORMER kimono girl respects her peers so she dont use leafeons in kimonos anymore
I wnna note 2 things here! First off, Erika's alternate outfit is actually STILL Japanese based, as it's based on Lolita fashion, which, while inspired by Victorian fashion, still originates in Japan! Second, a good friend of mine is also narcoleptic and it can be SCARY. Once saw the man fall asleep mid conversation, with a cup of coffee in hand. He almost broke his head open on the tiles (thankfully he was caught)
Hope we get to see Erika interact with the Kimono girls but instead of a rivalry relationship, they both accept and respect each other's goals and ideals. That'd be an interesting interaction.
Hi lockstin.
New Pokémon Masters EX villain arc gave us a second Kyurem.
None of the characters knew why a second one exists but they knew, specially Ghetsis, that there should be only one Original Dragon and one Kyurem.
Hint to Legends Unova maybe?
Masters EX gave us a super big spoiler for Legends Arceus with Cynthia and Giratina before anyone even knew Volo exsisted or that Cynthia is a descendant of Volo
Finally someone remembers Pokémon Masters EX
@@KP-vf6hu I keep playing the game since it's nice.
BUT when the trainer stories came, things got interesting.
We were given a slight glimpse into Professor Oak and Agatha's past in greater detail than all other games.
And then the Big One that happened a year ago.
Cynthia is Volo's descendant.
We players kept saying that the entire villain arc in the game somehow ties into the new Legends game but nobody listened to us.
Now I just play this game to report on whatever peculiarities I find in the game whether through dialogue or outfit designs
It could also be a reference to the Lacunosa legend, which tells that Kyurem is from space
nah, pokemon masters story/lore is mostly unrelated to the main series. and also inconsistant with timeline stuff. for example its still only 5 years since hugh's sister's purrloin got stolen yet the events of gen 7 games still happened. also hoopa shenanagains.
@@SJrad I know the game timeline is convoluted.
But my original comment still stands.
I'm calling attention to it cos it might be another Cynthia - Giratina moment.
Y'all mainline players denied our theories and hunches that Cynthia and Giratina's appearance don't mean anything, we kept saying it ties in to Legends Arceus but none of you listened.
Since the new event is a Villain arc with a part 2 coming mid November, just like how the Volo - Cynthia thing was made in Masters EX, big chance this villain arc will hint to either a remake, another Legends game, or something else regarding unova
Someone get MatPat on the phone
Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe Lockstin
*Has a theory*
Ok that 50’s plaid kimono western blouse is so cute! They need to bring these back
Am I the only person who's noticed that the leafeon used at 7:37 is shiny.
Edit: the glaceon is also shiny i think
Erika has always been one of my favorite gym leaders, mostly because of her design but I love her grass type theme too.
Its funny tho cuz recently there was an episode of journeys where Erika has a lefeon in her gym while wearing her kimono
That picture in the background is a tv!!!
I thought he had multiple giant pictures of things lying around that he just swapped out
Erika has both a kimono on and a leafeon in the fourth episode of Pokemon Ultimate Journeys titled Suffering the Flings and Arrow
Erika also used a Leafeon in the Anime in her second appearance with her standard Kimono.
I had one of those VHS types! It was the one with the episodes where Ash got Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander. I blame it was called Pokemon and Friends. Such good memories.
2:30 Jolteon has its head stuck in the fence
And then Erika got a Leafeon in Journeys. So there goes that theory.
There are probably different forms of narcolepsy, but the one I'm most familiar with is people who don't sleep. They just don't get tired or drowsy. They go about their life and will just sorta nod off for a few seconds or minutes every once in a while. Every so often they'll "crash" and actually sleep for several hours, but it happens rarely and at random.
“Maybe she doesn’t use leafeon because she failed her geisha training-“
Oh, wow, that’s so sad.
“-for having a disability!”
Dang, that got dark fast...
I DIDN'T KNOW ERIKA HAS NARCOLEPSY! I do too! This is the first time I have ever seen a character in pop culture having it!!!
Uhh Erika has another outfit in Pokemon masters that isn't a kimono. Her Holiday outfit where she's paired with Comfey is more western
The Pokémon VHS tape I had as a kid started with the episode where the SS Anne had already sunk and every was stuck inside. I never had the chance to see how they got in that situation until years later lol
I also grew up on discounted Pokémon vhs tapes with 3 episodes per box 😂 started from the bottom now we're here 😂 Erika has also been my favorite gym leader, I love her grace and grass type Pokémon 🪷 23 years later and still catching em all 💚
Wow makes sense never really thought of her with Narcolepsy, I recall either her gen 1 or 2 sprites look like she's sleeping
my favorite kanto gym leader by far. used to have a crush on her when i was younger
I think it’s so cute he though Japan was just fantasy Pokémon world. I grew up in Japan mainly in yukata or kimono. While my parents worked my grandparents weren’t familiar with western style clothes enough to put me in them. 😅
Growing up before I got the vhs tape. I imaged Erika having having Pat Benatar's voice. I have no oooo idea why lol 😂
3:24 Agh! (Accidental jumpscare of your ringlight replacing your eyes by being reflected in your glasses l) XD Had to double take and check to see there was no special edit there :P
What does that mean??!!
And watching after 58 seconds of uploading!!!
Speaking of Pokemon vhs tapes the ranma movie trailer song is always gonna be stuck in my head
She have a leafion in the pokemon journey anime well the pinsin from that episode was shown. Hope she have an Helix bed.
I actually watched full metal alchemist because of you and she is a cool character
8:05 Misty also gets Vaporeon in Masters, Lucas gets Flareon, Kris gets Jolteon, Rachel has and Karen got Umbreon and while Espeon isn't in yet, I think we can safely say we won't be seeing the Kimono Girls in Masters.
Karen always had an Umbreon in the games, it's even the first Pokemon she sends out when you battle her
@@matthewkuscienko4616 Her original sync pair is with Houndoom. She didn't have Umbreon until later.
@@mattwo7 That wasn't what I was referring to, I was talking about the original games
@@matthewkuscienko4616 Well I wasn't.
If you end up doing more videos like these (which would be amazingg) than I would like a vid revolving around the Elite 4. Not at in the indivisual members but more so general things like what their roles are and how they get their jobs and stuff.
👘 Kimonos are the epitome of epitomes
U failed to mention that she has a leafeon in the anime and she’s worn non kimono stuff too
Just the first part
The latter was referred to
What if the Eevee in the roof of Celedon city was once her Eevee? Which she gave up on trying to evolve when she failed at Kimono training?
Dress also is the verb meaning to wear clothes. Funny that.
Erika have a Leafon in anime, when Goh takes Pinsir to see Erika and learn about the flower arrangements, Erika shows off a leafon.
A new Lockstin video? Let’s geaaaaaaaux
Crazy I seen the playlist today and went" I don't think I've seen this one".....then there's this comment from past me
The fact that you used a lady who is, if I remember correctly, is Scandinavian or Norwegian as one of you examples of the modern iteration of an Ojou. I mean Luvia Edelfelt from the Type-Moon franchise. I will admit that from what I know of her it matches, it is just funny to me.
I never would've guessed I was older than you, but I was twice your age when the games came out, so now, I definitely feel old. Anyway, the Yamato Nadeshiko mention made me remember that there are two Pokemon based on styles that developed in pushback to that style, Jynx and Gothorita. Ganguro/kurogal/yamanba and lolita are the opposite of a Yamato Nadeshiko, but taken in different directions. Either of these Pokemon could sweep Erika's team.
She has another outfit in Masters besides with Leafeon in Masters, where she uses Comfey and also a quite Western dress in a holiday style.
I was diagnosed with narcolepsy at age 23. It's a massive pain. If you take any medication that has drowsiness as a serious side effect, then you're basically screwed lol. 😂
I can totally see that being a reason why she couldn't become a Kimono Girl. I once got fired from a job because I couldn't stop dosing off right before lunch (I was on medication, prescribed, at the time- didn't realize until later I could've filed a labor complaint lol). Maybe they don't gave that kind of qualifying assistance or rules for the Kimono Girls? Poor Erika.
5:53 *Based*
The kimono girls stopped me in my tracks in HGSS on my first playthrough... Not bad at all 🤷😅
Fun fact: In the Gym Leader Castle, of Pokémon Stadium 2, she has a Vaporeon
Leafeon is and always has been my favorite pokemon
the city were you get eevee in game is the same city were Erica's gym is located... she failed gesha training so hard she gave up her eevee
oomg.. the vhs tapes were played out at my house .... from the first electric gym against raichu, to the conclusion of the S.S Anne ... omg literally any pokemon form these episodes (other than raticate) has to be on my regular team due to this ...
As someone who was far more into the games than the anime even as a kid, can second Erika being the best. Plus she got even better as I got older, played HGSS and realised she's a spliffed out lesbian trying to get it on with Jasmine.
Lt. Surge is a successful secretly a Kimono Girl!
There is a far easier reason of explaining why she does not use Leafeon. And that is her Pokemon type. And I do not mean "Grass" type, but, the basic physiology of the Pokemon themselves.
If you look at all of her Pokemon throughout the core games they all follow one of three groups (sometimes crossing over). And this is for the Core Games, as in the Stadium Games...her teams...contain non-grass types. The following will list all the Pokemon she used in the core main games and not spin offs such as Stadium or Masters.
Fist Group, and the Most Obvious one: The Pokemon has Flowers on them. Such as, Vileplume, Gloom, Bellossom, Roserade, Venusaur, and Lilligant.
Second Group, and still fairly obvious: The Pokemon is very obviously a plant. Such as, Victreebel, Tangela, Jumpluff, Tangrowth, Exeggutor, Abomasnow, and Whimsicott.
Third Group: The Pokemon look like they can be plants, even though they are not. Shiftry, Cradily (I think you said in a past video that the things it is based on are not actually plants? Could be wrong, and if I am, it would be in the second group), and Parasect (It's a Mushroom!).
Leafeon, does not have a single flower on it, it is obviously a beast and not a plant, and it cannot be mistaken for a plant at all.
In other words, Erika uses not just Grass Types, but PLANT type or Plant related Pokemon. Leafeon, is not a plant, nor is related to any plants (as far as I can see), and thus, fails to meet the criteria for her Pokemon team. So, I don't think she failed at becoming a Kimono Girl, rather, she loves plants and flowers and decided to not use a Leafeon as that would go against her aesthetics.
TL:DR: She is just picky about what she wants on her team and Leafeon does not fit her tastes.
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when you forgot to transcode the file
Yeah, i dont see the need for her to be a failed Kimono girl just because she didn't get her Eeveelution until rather recently. My point of view being, that in the manga she already has/owns an Eevee that can change into the different Eeveelution forms at will after it was unfortunately being tampered with by team rocket.
"Now, I had no concept of "Japan" at the time." Has me dead for some reason. XD
Anyone else who just now learned it there was a TV behind Lockstin?! I thought it was just a wall!
You've made me DEEPLY regret not playing Pokemon Masters after showing me that Erika/Leafeon.
I agree with some of what you said overall but it could change over time because the developers wanted to it could be a secret. I'm kind of glad you did a video on this. I do believe that it would probably be out of respect she would not use it she probably got the training but she was not able to complete it and because of that she could not use her Leafeon while she was wearing a kimono and her agreement so they don't anger the spirits in context a returning force of trying to bring back Shadow Pokemon would occur as an old Legend. there's actually just headcanon in my head for now. then keep repeating I can use them only in different ways.
The pokemon vhs tapes still go hard ngl