sorry to correct you mr signifier but haka is a Māori art form belonging to Aotearoa New Zealand. It’s not Samoan. Samoans have their own form of ‘war dance’ called siva tau. Edit* i would also like to mention the video example used for haka @ 7:55 . This haka is called Ka Mate composed by Te Rauparaha who was a highly respected rangatira (chief) of Ngāti Toa iwi (tribe). The Kupu (words) in this haka refer to his lucky escape from Ngāti Maniapoto and Waikato iwi who were looking for him. He hid in a kūmara (sweet potato) storage pit to get away from these enemies and once they had gone he emerged into the light and preformed this haka. Ka mate, ka mate, ka ora, ka ora, (it is death, it is death, it is life, it is life.) This haka is the most well known in Aotearoa New Zealand and internationally due to it being adapted for use by our national rugby team the All Blacks. More commonly now the All Blacks use a haka called Kapa o Pango which was especially curated for them to use prior to matches being played. I’m saying all this to say, there is not one singular haka there are thousands of different haka that have different contexts, Kupu, stories to tell and different feelings to express. There is no monolith haka.
Don't be sorry. It is typical of many people to mistakenly group all people from that region into one lump. -Which is weird for an American since there are literally more Māori in the US than anywhere else in the world- **I guess the attention to detail quickly drops off when it is not something you can relate to. Edit: ** I was catastrophically wrong about the population of Māori people in the states.
@@noomadeWeird thing to get wrong unless he knows a lot of war dances and mixed them up a little bit. Tbf though i still lay awake at night thinking about my freshman college essay where I confused the FBI with the CIA on the final line. 💀
Jason kelce talking about the haircut on their podcast: What better month to attribute the fade to a white guy than February.. The kelces are well aware the fade is not white and shake they're own heads at that NYT article
@@theceech can you not read what was nasty about that?? Kelce is doing no part in claiming the fade as his invention, him and his brother laughed that off and rightfully credited Black men with this
it hit hip-hop first, and then rippled out to every branch of black culture. Maybe it's because hip-hop is tangled into so much of our other art, it acted as a bridging catalyst for them to just hop from medium to medium?
I don’t completely understand why but as a white/latino boy everyone I knew was into hip hop growing up. Hip hop is so powerful and much more than just an expression of blackness. No genre matches it when it comes to honesty and vulgarity. Many times it was a great expression of masculinity in general. A lot of hip hop fits so well in a party setting given it’s attitude and how the beats make you feel. Also the glorification of crime and violence in the media could pull a lot of people in. I don’t really see why this is a problem. In my opinion we should celebrate things that cross cultural boundaries and offer value to everyone. That way we can learn from eachother and have common interests. I think of it as discriminatory if you’re saying “you’re white, you have to do x, and you’re black, you have to do y and z. And the paths shall never cross” but people’s perspective can shift based on the language you use
@@gummyboots It happened to Jazz and Rock and Roll first and then it just went from there. Hip Hop just had a "cool" (a term actually coined by African Americans) to it that helped it go mainstream the quickest.
Lol im a white guy I’ve been rocking a fade long before Travis Kelce and idk Latinos rock the fade too would it be a joint cultural creation between blacks and Latinos
@@cheetahluv210 I'm half afro dominican and my father is italian he was cutting his hair like that since young and my grandfather too, in fact the whole "barber culture" was started by italo americans i don't see them reminding us they were the first ones or getting mad about it all the time
@noomade Having been around Pacific Islanders for a while, it just sounds silly. As silly as if someone called it an African American tradition. Or, hey, if swag surfing was called Maori in origin, lol. It has surfing in its name, after all.
No one read the article, just the headline. "Kids in middle America are going into sports clips and showing the barbers a picture of Travis kelce and asking for that hair cut. Learn more about the popular hair cut that is trending with a new audience." Black twitter: "wtf new york times said kelce invented the fade!"
What always gets me is that my fellow white people are SO desperate for our own culture, yet they don't look at their own cultural heritage that actually exists: many Americans today are not just the ancestors of immigrants, but immigrants that didnt have social status, that helped define radical traditions of community in Europe, and came to America for a chance to build new, equitable communities from the ground up. And yes, some of these families and communities have become the white establishment (some even were when the immigrated), but now, when we see the younger generations of these families actively try and reclaim a sense of culture and expression, they do it by effectively recolonizing marginalized communities instead of looking inward at the culture that whiteness took from them. It's really quite baffling
Makes me more appreciative of my mom and my Mummi making the effort to incorporate a lot of Finnish traditions in my life growing up here in the States.
a bunch of us are totally disconnected from where our ancestors are from. Three or four generations ago my family had culture but none of it was passed to me. I guess i've eaten lefse on gone to a local town's cartoonish "oktoberfest" but with all the great-great-whatevers being from five or six different countries there's no connection to reclaim anything by, no cousins in the "old country", no language, and no more legitimacy than the drunkards vomiting up green beer on st patrick's day. in achieving whiteness my ancestors threw away the ethnicity of their progeny.
@@kaiserruhsam Just because you have no living relatives, doesn't mean you have no connection to that culture: you are a live today, aware of the loss, and more importantly, have the ability to redefine how you live your life. If there is no community now, build one :)
You’re absolutely welcome to join us in doing our ceremonial war dances! The Haka is originally a Māori dance (native peoples of Zew Zealand and Cook Islands) Although, here in America, it has become the de-facto pan-Polynesian battlecry The most notable Samoan war dance in pop-culture is called Siva Tau I’m Tongan, and our most notable dance is called Sipi Tau, and we have another called Kailao which is performed with a club or other long weapon I’m part of a group that organizes Tongan/Polynesian reunion events up and down the east coast (not too many of us on this side) we’re always happy to include people that can appreciate the importance of passing down our history this way This years big reunion is in Boston 🫠, but I believe we’re doing DC metro area next year (my stomping ground), and Atlanta metro area in 2026 The Haka may be un-appropriate-able, but you’d be surprised how much people have tried to take credit for it and other Polynesian traditions I’ve had people tell me that our war dances and our languages are cultural imports from Africa There’s a whole mess of racist archeologists that try to discredit Polynesians every few years because they simply cannot fathom that anyone other than the Chinese or the Vikings were the first to invent ocean faring
@@TheHappybunny671 yo my bad, I thought I replied 😅 The Tongan Event in Boston is called Tonga Kauvai Hahake 2024 and it’s in like July 19-21 I believe If they’re closer to the DC metro area, I can give you some names closer to there Most of these are run by older Gen X and Boomer Polynesians, so a lot of the coordination is happening on Facebook
As someone who has really only gotten the fade when getting a haircut at the barbershop, how tf can NYT just ignore that it is called the fade? NYT shows once again that it doesn't represent New York
I'm Latino and I've been getting this cut off and on over the last 15 years, this is like when they called it "slowed and reverbed" instead of bootleg "chopped and screwed"
@@randomnerd3402- The NYT represents money and trying to make more of it. The article was just trying to capitalize on the current popularity of Kelce and Taylor Swift. But I'm glad that Kelce sidestepped that nonsense in a humorous way. He said they weren't going to do him like that, especially during Black History Month. Dude is from Cleveland, he's been down with black folks and hip hop culture for most of his life. He knows that he didn't invent or popularize the fade (not even among white guys), and he doesn't want that pinned on him.
To piggy back off of your intro about black history month: Rest in Heaven Edward Poindexter, a member of the political group the Black Panthers whom passed away December of 2023 in a Nebraska prison 😢. He Fought a good fight, & he did not deserve to take his last breath in prison😢😢😢
@@linstar9172 Murdered a police officer. Maybe. The evidence was pretty poor and some of the witness testimony was questionable (And also the jury was 11/12 white)
We need to hold news and article companies more accountable for all of the crap they spew. They are the ones who promote cultural appropriation time and time again.
NYT won't clean up the bedbugs in their editorial department, they're not gonna get this stuff anywhere near right unless they stop making money from being stupid
I stopped reading NYT last year due to their trans coverage so this is my first time hearing about this and I have to admit I scream laughed at that article screenshot. What a mess.
I get frustrated when celebs get named the founder of a thing by some other entity (the NYT loooooves doing this, I don't need to tell you!), but the celeb catches the anger and not the people who said it. Travis Kelce knows damn well it's a fade, hell, even I know that. Does he have a responsibility to say something? Yeah, maybe? What are the rules around a stadium dance though? Especially since it sounds like the original artist is benefitting from it. All of the backlash about Swift at the Chiefs games just feels like Streisand Effect. The camera pans to her, chuds get mad, that drives traffic/clicks/eyes, so the camera pans to her again, and round and round we go. Unrelated: years ago, I attended the Roller Derby World Cup and the New Zealand team did a Haka ON SKATES. Still one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
Paramore has always given respect to black culture which is why they are a beloved music artist of black people. It was the non-black “allies” upset with Travis, real fans knew they were cultural appreciators of black culture.
@@jeccdog7584 Kelce denied creating a standard short men's haircut? I imagine it was created by an unknown Roman barber two thousand years ago, so it should be named something like "the Gaius."
@@jeccdog7584 Not only that, but when this first came up, Travis Kelce was asked about this at a press conference and his response was literally "Nah, you can't put this on me, not in February." He not only said something, he specifically mentioned that it was a black thing.
I grew up in an incredibly racist trailer park in the southeast US. I was a sheltered nerd who didn't really engage with sports or television much, so my exposure to black people in the 90's was pretty slim. All that is to say: every single person in my little hick villages knew what a damn fade was. Half the dudes in the trailer park had fades. The hairdressers my mom worked with were tossing fades on everyone. Trying to credit that to Kelce now is insane to me.
What kills me is that the fade is one of the few things in black culture that the professional world loves and clutches close to their chest.l, but still can be used to profile us with criminal activity same as any other aspect of black grooming and fashion. If im a businessman or politician, i gotta be bald or have a fade. The military puts so much professional reverence in the fade that they set it as one of only 2 hairstyles men are required to have, bald or fade. (They will roast you on the level of fade, especially if you get the damn high and tight.) No in between. Yet at the same time, in the civilian sector, i can get a crisp fade and be seen as someone who may as well be a criminal but with money. Smdh
I guess move to the NYC metro area cause we all have fades, across all ethnicities, for decades. In professional environments. On wall street. In Greenwich. On Park Ave and Broadway...fades abound...far as the eye can see. Across Bklyn, Qns, SI, and The BX. In Nassau. In Suffolk. In Westchester too...And, yes... even Northern NJ. Come on over.
Ima be real, I’ve NEVER heard of someone profiling a black person because of a fade, maybe for locs and a temp with full on top, but just for a fade, you dragging it
👻👻 being like: "[Racist caricature war chant noises] I love the chiefs. After so many years of brutal suffering we have finally made it to the promised land."
@@xp8969I've spent my whole life as a local having the Chiefs be a bad team. Unless you just mean the problematic parts, not their record. Yeah, the tomahawk chop, Arrowhead Stadium, fans dressing up or using war paint. They are looking to buuld new stadiums in the middle of downtown, and it doesn't feel like we have much say, because they can just threaten to go to the Kansas side or leave. Woke backlash dismisses so many valid points...so rather than a campaign to do better, people double down recreationally
As an HBCU grad- this one hurt. I graduated from Tuskegee University in 2017 and there wasn’t a event w/o at least one Druken Swag Surf. Like you could literally hate the people next to you, but if that song came in your locking arms with complete strangers to swag surf. Fond memories. I was mad about this one 😭🤦🏾♀️
I be thinking about this alot. I don't think it's realistic for us to control our culture, outside of the super specific stuff/stuff that most non-Black folks don't seem to find sexy, because it's just too many of us, somebody is always going to want to make some money off some cool stuff they do. And honestly, I don't think that's a bad thing, exactly, I love the things we do and I'm happy when we share *most, not all* of the stuff with others. Personally, I think something we could work on is finding ways to manipulate the narrative in a way that helps us to use the constant scrutiny to build our own cultural institutions, like art centers teaching Black folktales and philosophy from folks like Zora Neale Hurston and James Baldwin and Kendrick Lamar, and more programs dedicated to teaching Afrocentric history, programs connecting instruction in African languages to Black American English and Gullah and stuff like that. I feel like maybe if we build new institutions for the maintenance and evolution of our lifeways, it won't matter as much when random people start talking like our grandparents and calling it Gen Z slang, because we'll have reliable ways of making sure that we control the way we engage with our own stuff.
This is true for every other pop culture from a different group. I can't seen a video from any of them. Vikings are cool. Japanese anime is cool. A lot of black content creators made thier name of anime content. I don't see no Japanese complaining. What is cool will always be copied. How is it said again Imitation and flattery.
@habibsaliu6208 yeah but this is more of a power imbalance, Japan still have monopoly on anime,manga and most of samurai/ninja esque games they're the ones who benefit the most. Most black folks don't have that type of monopoly on what they create on the long run . Sharing is cool and necessary but without benefits it's pointless
thanks for making a categorical difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation. i think its really important, its why places like the USA and UK have some sort of success in multicultural societies, as opposed to places like France and the Netherlands, etc.
The US lacks a culture. It's a blank slate culturally (relatively speaking). So it's easy for the US to be multicultural. Meanwhile France/Germany/Spain/etc. actually have cuisine, art, music, traditional dance and clothes.
Thats a really great point. Always wondered why European countries seem to be so unwelcoming to black people. Europe is not as appreciative of black culture in some way, which makes the underlying racism more blunt, open and clear.
@@100c0c yeah but, France is a monoculture that pressures minorities into becoming that culture. whereas a place like England, despite its many, MANY, problems, does integrate minority cultures into it’s own (indian british being ubiquitous there now). France will actually still use its colonial minority populations to lead culture whilst denying them their heritage (see their entire football team). i think with a lot of these mainland European countries, is that they have a cultural hegemony that won’t let itself be challenged. The USA had no cultural hegemony, so the marginalised people there formed it, and those that are on the outside are actually the white majority. As to why the UK is like that, I have no idea. It’s probably something to do with the way they did empire as opposed to France, but Im not really an expert on it.
@@PoopSock07 oh for sure, and now you mention it even the UK is like that with their British Caribbean population, the Windrush scandal sticking out a lot.
@@TheCherryTrader it has 100% to do with their colonial doctrine. France wanted to "uplift" its colonies by making them more french - actively imposing french culture on anyone educated, thus making French = educated and wealthy. The UK rather used the existing structures and divisions in the societies they colonized to enact power over them - this was seen by the europeans as more "cruel" in a way - but it turned out later that these societies kept much more of their cultural heritage compared to the french colonies. an interesting case study is looking at the somali colonies - French somaliland (djibouti) still speak french to this day, whilst british and italian somaliland (modern day somalia) have largely kept their heritage and culture. Somalia is today one of 3 (?) sub saharan african countries that conduct its governance with its own native language as opposed to english, french or other colonial languages.
Well done FD. Whenever I see things like this happen I don’t get mad at all. I just say to myself “It’s giving….Colombus!”😂😂😂😂😂 the one time I did get pissed is when a TikTok went viral because a young white DJ was given credit for “slowed and reverb” when it was clearly “Chopped and Screwed.” …in Houston by DJ Screw literally 20-30 years ago. I just want Black creators to be able to exist in a space where they get credit for their work and paid for it. 💕
Jamila, its giving i come into your house and i rob everything an i eat the last sandwich on my way out. we also need to quit using phrasings such as " he was not given" , He was taken . we were denied etc.. nawl. this ain't the boogeyman . its entirely caucasian work.
i remember when savage mode 2 had a chopped not slopped version and people where hatin on it bad but those probably the same that go and search for slow and reverb mixes lol
That video of Travis Kelce saying something to the effect of “Y’all really did this on February 1st too…I didn’t create the style I just ask for it” was hilarious and gave me a lot of [bare minimum but still] respect for him lmao
I feel like Swag Surfing was always a part of Black culture if you lived in a Black city.. since the song dropped.. I was in Milwaukee, WI at the time.. Swag Surfing was everywhere there too (just a note)
Yeah, I’m from up North and it’s been a thing longer than 4-5 years. It always got played at concerts between acts or before the show started. It’s a good song to keep the crowd engaged and bring everyone together. But the increase of social media may make it feel more recent.
Love the way you articulated the reasons why specific instances are especially egregious, as I think some people who react poorly to call outs do genuinely get confused about why certain things differ from cultural exchange/appreciation, especially since appropriation gets used overly broadly Had not heard about NYT claiming the fade for Kelce, but that is CRAZY to me... even as a white person who pays very little attention to hair/fashion, I still know what a fade is and that it was definitely not popularized by some white dude just recently??? my guess would be that they didn't want to add nuance to their fluff piece by including context, since it brings up mildly awkward questions. Even if you are a totally oblivious white sports reporter, surely there are enough other NFL players with similar haircuts to clue you in???
I live in Brazil, and U.S. racial politics always striked as something so weird and out of place. Even though U.S. goverment were much more openly destructive towards its black population, Brazillian culture tended towards assimilition alongside with violence, which make racial disussions around here much more clouded with disinformation. For example: the haircut presented in this video (known as fade) in Brazil is simply called The American, but also, every single race and masculine person adopts this hairstyle as the norm for men, and most people also cuts their hair with a variant of the American, called The Jaca Cut (referencig to a favela in Rio) Black Culture, for most part, is the solo foundation of brazillian culture, but also one of the most forgotten roots of itself.
I've always found it fascinating how suppressed the roots are, whenever I talk to Brazilian friends that clearly have African ancestry. They either outright deny it or push back against it. I dont understand why, but that's because I'm a Black American. I'm trying to tho. It seems a sensitive subject.
@@MechakittenX Things is Latin America is a whole region built by many different cultures we are, in many ways, a huge hot pot and while racism is still an issue, we are much more assimilated. Latin American racial dynamics have a different colonial heritage and at the same time a different history than the ones in America. And personally, I can find many similarities and fraternity with black, asian, white people from my country than a "Latino" from the US. We simply are different.
@@alrrajib6952 discussing racial relationships in Latin America is basically a world history mash-up of many different cultures, but mostly, the aesthetics, the music, the culture in of itself is deeply based in African styles and movements but they are all nameless, they come without the knowledge of their roots, it's just another Joe.
@@MechakittenX there are some illusions of a racial democracy in Brazil, with the student funds for black and poor individuals, but the racism is just more subtle and out of sight. The people who police kills in the favelas rarely get coverage
Great video. I love the work. Travis on this podcast this week called people out on saying he invented the fade, good on him. I am sure it wasn't lost on any viewer of the channel that Taylor Swage Surfing at Arrowhead is double funny. Enjoy the super bowl, great player on both.
Just for a bit of context regarding white boys with fades - in the UK there are a lot of Turkish and Kurdish barbers and they specialise in that style. It's also fairly cheap and lasts the longest.
The high and tight kind of has a funny thing going on with it in the military. It's generally pretty unpopular, and most people go with a low or medium fade because it's within regulations and doesn't look ridiculous, but people really, really into the military always get the highest of high and tights. You can kind of predict how much of a tool someone is going to be by looking at how high their fade is. There is some branch variation there. Pretty much every marine I've seen is rocking a high and tight, but generally speaking, people like to exert that small bit of autonomy they have and not look like GI Joe. If Kelse were former military, I could see "I did my hair this way in the military and just kept doing it after I got out because it's low maintenance and easy." as an explanation. It's the case for me personally. But generally non-veterans who intentionally wear military haircuts as some kind of show of support are going to lean more in the "highest of high and tights" direction.
Wholly agreed cept I think it's gone further back than the ATL ringtone era. It's been like this since the Snoop Bling Bling, foshizzle era. I argue he's the first true rapper to really market and commercialize blackism to white america and opened the door for the ATL energy that came with Goodie Mobb/Outkast and eventually that Soulja Boy era.
I was in a boujee rural white high school during the mid to late 2000’s I say that there was definitely a big number of white boys imitating the mainstream hip hop aesthetic of Atlanta not Eminem
@@cheetahluv210Lived the same. Went from being the only white kid at a black school to being in a middle school with 90% white students, and a VERY large portion of the white kids (especially the bullies) were wearing giant baggy tees and sagging pants, talking about wanting a chain and shit. My friends and I clowned on them constantly.
When you talked about black people not being the ideal audience for their own content, damn... I know it's true, it's very clearly observable and well known but fuck it's still genuinely so sad to hear and see every time.
White dudes with a fade that fades into a beard is one way BW identify that a WM might date BW don’t ask me how I know! 😅 it’s been that way since for as long as I can remember. Something tells me Travis kelce knows that too.
we can tell Travis knew this. i am just wondering when Black girls figure this out themselves. . it has always been a thing. that along with ear blings and all the sagging from the past era.
I’ve started drawing more and more connections with the things you discuss in these videos and my day to day life. I had a really insightful conversation with some black classmates about appreciation vs appropriation and some of those points came up in this video and I found that cool
Sincerely love you said you're enjoying Indian food. I think it's by far the most underrated cuisine. For anyone who loves some butter chicken or tikka masalas or chole, try goat curry
16:07 - I feel the same way. Some gatekeeping in general seems necessary but there are drawbacks to it depending on the thing being gatekept. So I feel the same way about it, mixed.
Agreed. Black people complain about the way that we don’t buy Black as much as we support big brands and corporations, and that we Black luxury on the same scale. But when white people started buying Telfar bags, people were like “We can’t have NOTHING omg.” How will a Black designer reach Gucci status if only (some) Black people are willing to support Telfar and others, while complaining about price and quality?
Great video. Thanks for the nuanced history lesson and clarified definition of cultural appropriation vs appreciation. 100% agree that hakas are hype as hell.
No joke, appreciate highlighting the delineation between a fade and the high and tight. I wan't even aware of there being a difference, they got locked as interchangeable requests in the meat computer.
I think as long as you're respectful and willing to learn, culture can be shared and appreciated. Unfortunately, I struggle to identify with English culture because we did some absolutely dreadful things to other people (including our own with the poor houses during the industrial revolution) and so many people are ignorant of this or simply don't care and so they perpetuate this attitude generation after generation. When you start falling in love with people outside of your culture, there's a lot of work to learn from past mistakes, but it's incredibly rewarding. I do believe we have so much more that unites us than divides us and it isn't just through trauma
Would your second proposed option of making black art meant to stay internal to black culture and audiences necessarily mean creating something meant to also be unappealing for mainstream consumption and non-black audiences? Cause there's no way to prevent people from picking up new cultural wares outside their own culture, so how much control can any creator exert through their own intent?
It's kind of impossible to prevent some level of cultural osmosis these days, especially when it comes to the arts. No matter how far out of your way you go to make someone uncomfortable with that art, there will ALWAYS be someone of another culture which sees it and enjoys, and some who will want to emulate it. Sure, a black artist could make art that is deeply rooted in black culture while trying to avoid using any aspects of white culture, even make it actively hostile to white folks, but there will always be someone on the white side who finds validity in that art and resonates with it. You can't prevent that. Anything that becomes popular with one culture will bleed out into other accepting cultures. It's why we have African music made to sound like American hip hop and R&B, why we have dedicated rappers in K-Pop groups, and why we have Caribbean and Latin influences in pop music in the States.
8:28 didn't Travis address the media to their faces about this. He told them how they were trying to stir shit by saying he invented a hairstyle worn for generations. That they were "throwing him to the wolves" and that it's called a fade not the Travis.. Yt media always does this but he caught it.
Great video! Im not from the US, so i didn't know what the swag surf was, and tbh, it seemed two different things when you compare the Swift video and the small stadium one 😂
I was actually in college when Swag Surg came out in 09. My senior year. It wasn’t super huge while I was school and it didn’t go mainstream til years later
Genuinely could not believe that NYT article. I feel like if you went to even the whitest suburb imaginable, most teenage boys would know that the fade is a historically black haircut because so many prominent black celebrities have it. I mean Drake has been the 1st or 2nd most popular artist in the world for like 10 years and has only recently stopped having a fade. The article just comes off as not only extremely dismissive of black culture, but also extremely out of touch in general.
bm are UPSET but when black women spoke about our hairstyles getting snatched and gentrified it was “get over it, it’s just hair”… HMM, i wonder why we can’t just be empathetic towards each other
Because most of those hairstyles aren't unique to black women. Most of them date back thousands of years in multiple cultures, some all the way back to the neanderthals- probably further. The biggest fight was over a Japanese game using the double buns, which provably originated in ancient China. The argument would have held more water if the fight wasn't mostly over hairstyles appropriated from other cultures or were not culturally specific to begin with
@@LaurenGabrielle90 they literally did, and so did vikings. it's really not that unbelievable that before barber shops existed, people from all over the planet would find ways to keep their hair out of their face
To be honest..there's one thing I think when I see anyone do that dance: "Millions of dollars! Millions of dollars!" And then the next thought is a sad one, because of how deep Vince buried my man Titus and ripped Darren off TV forever. 🤦🏽♂
As someone around your age and that grew up in the same era as you, every time you drop a reference to something like Black Planet I cackle a lil bit in my "OG" laugh.
The thing people need to add to this conversation is that especially in America, that a lot of features of what we define as culture are derived from one or several inspirations especially as we lose a sense of nationality and melt into the world stage.
First, loved the video. As always, a nuanced, thoughtful production. Secondly, (and this should not be construed as arguing, or in any way debating your video's content- this is just some history I find interesting, although it may occasion a different discussion one day,) the Fade, as a hairstyle goes all the way back to 1066 CE and the Norman conquest of Britain. Anglo-Saxons wore their hair long. Normans wore their hair short-ish, with the back and sides shaved. When the Normans became the rulers, the hairstyle and the language became the trend. (This is why French was the British courtly language for generations.) Anyway, the trend between the Fade (in its various iterations) and longer hair has been a pendulum swinging in white, Western European cultures ever since. The last major cultural swing towards the Fade, again, in white, Western European cultures, (at least in the US,) was post WWI. If you look at photographs of white men in the 1920s, 30s, and 40s, some version of the Fade (as opposed to the High & Tight, or the Flat Top) is the dominant style. That begins to shift in the 1950s, but the reasons for that are a whole different discussion - but also a discussion involving cultural appropriation of black culture by whites. After about the mid 1950s, the Fade wanes in white culture, more broadly. It doesn't really come back into white culture until, as I think you correctly pointed out, we begin to see white men attempting to signify an openness to, an affinity for, or a belonging to black culture. (For the belonging to part; yes, some white people grew up in the projects - it's not all trailer parks for poor whites.) Anyways, this was just a 10,000 foot history flyover, and really not meant to be anything other than interesting trivia. Keep up the good work. I hope you get to feeling better sooner, rather than later.
I never saw it as a black haircut. It just happens to be a cut that is popular among black men. I've seen photos of Jack Dempsey, a white boxer from the 1920's rockin' a fade. Styles come and go...
Reminds me a lot of Mark Fisher's book "Capitalist Realism", breaking down on a mechanical level the process you're describing of commodification under capitalism, capturing and then digesting people's culture into this type of content nutrient paste palatable to as wide an audience as possible.
I remember doing something like swag surfing in Gulfport Mississippi in 2000. We use to do a dance similar to swag surfing at a club called the Cadillac in Gulfport Mississippi.
So say if you see someone who you think is culturally appropriating something, how do you know with 100% certainty that they aren't a part of that culture or have been raised around it? Or are you basing it solely on their skin color?
There’s some overlap with this idea and the iterative principle of memetics. Memes ironically survive longer with less iteration; once they go mainstream everyone starts putting their own spin on them and they eventually transform into something unrecognizable. In both cases, once a corporate interest embraces something its identity is irreparably changed.
As soon as a I saw the Kelc cut, I immediately was like, they done fcked up. I’m a black woman and I really don’t appreciate other cultures trying to make it seem like they created something that was already created. Idc how many black women this man has dated, he obviously took inspiration from black men and started rocking the fade, until recent events, where he went from Paul wall, to “ may I see your licenses and registration please?” Like it gets annoying, seeing them always get praised for someone else’s culture.
@@sg23148 no one’s jealous, and no one said anything about what they want to wear, all was said that people need to stop handing over things that was already made in one culture to another and giving them praise for that said creation. Sounds like you should read again.
@@sg23148 oh you’re one of those. I’m not even going to read your response, because there’s no point in arguing with a brick wall. You have a nice day pal
@@sg23148 can you stop responding? Have a nice day. But seriously stop responding, you can’t have a conversation. I might actually be talking to a rock at this point.
sorry to correct you mr signifier but haka is a Māori art form belonging to Aotearoa New Zealand. It’s not Samoan. Samoans have their own form of ‘war dance’ called siva tau.
Edit* i would also like to mention the video example used for haka @ 7:55 . This haka is called Ka Mate composed by Te Rauparaha who was a highly respected rangatira (chief) of Ngāti Toa iwi (tribe). The Kupu (words) in this haka refer to his lucky escape from Ngāti Maniapoto and Waikato iwi who were looking for him. He hid in a kūmara (sweet potato) storage pit to get away from these enemies and once they had gone he emerged into the light and preformed this haka. Ka mate, ka mate, ka ora, ka ora, (it is death, it is death, it is life, it is life.)
This haka is the most well known in Aotearoa New Zealand and internationally due to it being adapted for use by our national rugby team the All Blacks. More commonly now the All Blacks use a haka called Kapa o Pango which was especially curated for them to use prior to matches being played.
I’m saying all this to say, there is not one singular haka there are thousands of different haka that have different contexts, Kupu, stories to tell and different feelings to express. There is no monolith haka.
Don't be sorry. It is typical of many people to mistakenly group all people from that region into one lump. -Which is weird for an American since there are literally more Māori in the US than anywhere else in the world- **I guess the attention to detail quickly drops off when it is not something you can relate to.
Edit: ** I was catastrophically wrong about the population of Māori people in the states.
@@noomadeWeird thing to get wrong unless he knows a lot of war dances and mixed them up a little bit. Tbf though i still lay awake at night thinking about my freshman college essay where I confused the FBI with the CIA on the final line. 💀
@@evanhenderson9461 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chur.
Well I have Samoans in my family and they just call it the haka, so does it really matter?
Jason kelce talking about the haircut on their podcast:
What better month to attribute the fade to a white guy than February..
The kelces are well aware the fade is not white and shake they're own heads at that NYT article
How enlightened of them
nasty
@@theceech can you not read what was nasty about that?? Kelce is doing no part in claiming the fade as his invention, him and his brother laughed that off and rightfully credited Black men with this
racism is alive and well in the black community i see.
@@TheRogueEmpireracism is alive in every community, that’s what spike lee was saying with do the right thing
"We are no longer the ideal audience for our own content"
Does the entire purpose of “⚪️” supremacy
it hit hip-hop first, and then rippled out to every branch of black culture. Maybe it's because hip-hop is tangled into so much of our other art, it acted as a bridging catalyst for them to just hop from medium to medium?
I don’t completely understand why but as a white/latino boy everyone I knew was into hip hop growing up.
Hip hop is so powerful and much more than just an expression of blackness. No genre matches it when it comes to honesty and vulgarity. Many times it was a great expression of masculinity in general. A lot of hip hop fits so well in a party setting given it’s attitude and how the beats make you feel. Also the glorification of crime and violence in the media could pull a lot of people in.
I don’t really see why this is a problem. In my opinion we should celebrate things that cross cultural boundaries and offer value to everyone. That way we can learn from eachother and have common interests. I think of it as discriminatory if you’re saying “you’re white, you have to do x, and you’re black, you have to do y and z. And the paths shall never cross” but people’s perspective can shift based on the language you use
@@gummyboots It happened to Jazz and Rock and Roll first and then it just went from there. Hip Hop just had a "cool" (a term actually coined by African Americans) to it that helped it go mainstream the quickest.
We never have been
"Kelce Cut" is absolutely wild wtf
it’s up there with “Bo Derek Braids”
@@-natmac just looked that up, jesus christ that is bizarre
@-natmac yeah that was wild. Hated that shit. They saw a white woman with braids and went insane
It’s common to ask to look like a certain celebrity rather than the actual name of their haircut
lol it is so comically ridiculous, I’m inclined to believe it was a hit job. It was a set up.
Gentrifying the fade is crazy lmao
I know right
Lol im a white guy I’ve been rocking a fade long before Travis Kelce and idk Latinos rock the fade too would it be a joint cultural creation between blacks and Latinos
@@cheetahluv210 I'm half afro dominican and my father is italian he was cutting his hair like that since young and my grandfather too, in fact the whole "barber culture" was started by italo americans i don't see them reminding us they were the first ones or getting mad about it all the time
@@nandochavez4546that’s interesting
@@nandochavez4546it’s interesting
FD, haka dance is from New Zealand. Other pacific islanders do not haka. They have their own unique musical and dance traditions.
Yes - The Maori people
Considering that there are are more Maori people in the states than anywhere else, people would appreciate this distinction ....
@noomade Having been around Pacific Islanders for a while, it just sounds silly. As silly as if someone called it an African American tradition. Or, hey, if swag surfing was called Maori in origin, lol. It has surfing in its name, after all.
@@jiold Just to make it clear, I am agreeing with you. you know that right?
@@noomade Yes, of course. I'm elaborating on what I said.
NYT keeps getting more and more embarrassing 🤦
No one read the article, just the headline.
"Kids in middle America are going into sports clips and showing the barbers a picture of Travis kelce and asking for that hair cut. Learn more about the popular hair cut that is trending with a new audience."
Black twitter:
"wtf new york times said kelce invented the fade!"
I've recently been rocking the reverse fade... I'm... I'm just going bald 😢
RIP 😂
What always gets me is that my fellow white people are SO desperate for our own culture, yet they don't look at their own cultural heritage that actually exists: many Americans today are not just the ancestors of immigrants, but immigrants that didnt have social status, that helped define radical traditions of community in Europe, and came to America for a chance to build new, equitable communities from the ground up. And yes, some of these families and communities have become the white establishment (some even were when the immigrated), but now, when we see the younger generations of these families actively try and reclaim a sense of culture and expression, they do it by effectively recolonizing marginalized communities instead of looking inward at the culture that whiteness took from them. It's really quite baffling
White guy here it’s a proximity and culture familiarity to whys right here in the United States
Makes me more appreciative of my mom and my Mummi making the effort to incorporate a lot of Finnish traditions in my life growing up here in the States.
a bunch of us are totally disconnected from where our ancestors are from. Three or four generations ago my family had culture but none of it was passed to me. I guess i've eaten lefse on gone to a local town's cartoonish "oktoberfest" but with all the great-great-whatevers being from five or six different countries there's no connection to reclaim anything by, no cousins in the "old country", no language, and no more legitimacy than the drunkards vomiting up green beer on st patrick's day.
in achieving whiteness my ancestors threw away the ethnicity of their progeny.
@@kaiserruhsam Just because you have no living relatives, doesn't mean you have no connection to that culture: you are a live today, aware of the loss, and more importantly, have the ability to redefine how you live your life. If there is no community now, build one :)
@@kaiserruhsam yeah basically the self destruction of culture
Maybe this haircut will finally be added to the create-a-player section of video games 😆
Oh it's in some games. Pretty sure Cyberpunk and some of the Souls*. For SURE NBA 2K had fades.
Yet only when a wm acknowledges it does it become ok ? Lol😂
If you've played Tekken 8 online at all you'd see a mfer with a fade 1/5 fights.
@@gummyboots Tbf you only got like 5 different haircuts in the game ...
It's in Def jam fight for new York
You’re absolutely welcome to join us in doing our ceremonial war dances!
The Haka is originally a Māori dance (native peoples of Zew Zealand and Cook Islands) Although, here in America, it has become the de-facto pan-Polynesian battlecry
The most notable Samoan war dance in pop-culture is called Siva Tau
I’m Tongan, and our most notable dance is called Sipi Tau, and we have another called Kailao which is performed with a club or other long weapon
I’m part of a group that organizes Tongan/Polynesian reunion events up and down the east coast (not too many of us on this side) we’re always happy to include people that can appreciate the importance of passing down our history this way
This years big reunion is in Boston 🫠, but I believe we’re doing DC metro area next year (my stomping ground), and Atlanta metro area in 2026
The Haka may be un-appropriate-able, but you’d be surprised how much people have tried to take credit for it and other Polynesian traditions
I’ve had people tell me that our war dances and our languages are cultural imports from Africa
There’s a whole mess of racist archeologists that try to discredit Polynesians every few years because they simply cannot fathom that anyone other than the Chinese or the Vikings were the first to invent ocean faring
Chur the toko! xD
@@KNWBDY.important ye bru🫡
What’s the name of your org? I have some PI friends who would be interested in coming
@@TheHappybunny671 yo my bad, I thought I replied 😅
The Tongan Event in Boston is called Tonga Kauvai Hahake 2024 and it’s in like July 19-21 I believe
If they’re closer to the DC metro area, I can give you some names closer to there
Most of these are run by older Gen X and Boomer Polynesians, so a lot of the coordination is happening on Facebook
Morning Family!! As soon as I saw the “Kelce Cut” on NYT, I hoped this was coming? Especially after the swagless Surfing…
As someone who has really only gotten the fade when getting a haircut at the barbershop, how tf can NYT just ignore that it is called the fade? NYT shows once again that it doesn't represent New York
Bro wtf issa kelce cut
I read that article too, out of shock and confusion, and one of the barbers was like, “it’s just a fadeeee”
I'm Latino and I've been getting this cut off and on over the last 15 years, this is like when they called it "slowed and reverbed" instead of bootleg "chopped and screwed"
@@randomnerd3402- The NYT represents money and trying to make more of it. The article was just trying to capitalize on the current popularity of Kelce and Taylor Swift.
But I'm glad that Kelce sidestepped that nonsense in a humorous way. He said they weren't going to do him like that, especially during Black History Month. Dude is from Cleveland, he's been down with black folks and hip hop culture for most of his life. He knows that he didn't invent or popularize the fade (not even among white guys), and he doesn't want that pinned on him.
To piggy back off of your intro about black history month: Rest in Heaven Edward Poindexter, a member of the political group the Black Panthers whom passed away December of 2023 in a Nebraska prison 😢. He Fought a good fight, & he did not deserve to take his last breath in prison😢😢😢
What did he do to end up in prson?
@@linstar9172 Murdered a police officer. Maybe. The evidence was pretty poor and some of the witness testimony was questionable (And also the jury was 11/12 white)
We need to hold news and article companies more accountable for all of the crap they spew. They are the ones who promote cultural appropriation time and time again.
🎯
100%. It's so infuriating they don't get checked on this.
They're fueling outrage culture on purpose
NYT won't clean up the bedbugs in their editorial department, they're not gonna get this stuff anywhere near right unless they stop making money from being stupid
No such thing as cultural appropriation
I stopped reading NYT last year due to their trans coverage so this is my first time hearing about this and I have to admit I scream laughed at that article screenshot. What a mess.
What's that supposed to mean? The "stopped reading because of their trans coverage".
Reactionary transphobic coverage.@@cannibalisticrequiem
I stopped reading when they kept paywalling their articles. I'm not paying money for some garbage opinion by some half-witted "journalist".
@@cannibalisticrequiemwhat are you going to do about it?
@@cannibalisticrequiem they did a terrible job covering the topic of transgender issues and pushed misinformation and fear mongering propaganda.
I get frustrated when celebs get named the founder of a thing by some other entity (the NYT loooooves doing this, I don't need to tell you!), but the celeb catches the anger and not the people who said it. Travis Kelce knows damn well it's a fade, hell, even I know that. Does he have a responsibility to say something? Yeah, maybe?
What are the rules around a stadium dance though? Especially since it sounds like the original artist is benefitting from it. All of the backlash about Swift at the Chiefs games just feels like Streisand Effect. The camera pans to her, chuds get mad, that drives traffic/clicks/eyes, so the camera pans to her again, and round and round we go.
Unrelated: years ago, I attended the Roller Derby World Cup and the New Zealand team did a Haka ON SKATES. Still one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
Travis already addressed it and said he didn’t create anything
@@jeccdog7584 Awesome! I hadn't seen, thank you!
Paramore has always given respect to black culture which is why they are a beloved music artist of black people. It was the non-black “allies” upset with Travis, real fans knew they were cultural appreciators of black culture.
@@jeccdog7584 Kelce denied creating a standard short men's haircut? I imagine it was created by an unknown Roman barber two thousand years ago, so it should be named something like "the Gaius."
@@jeccdog7584 Not only that, but when this first came up, Travis Kelce was asked about this at a press conference and his response was literally "Nah, you can't put this on me, not in February." He not only said something, he specifically mentioned that it was a black thing.
I grew up in an incredibly racist trailer park in the southeast US. I was a sheltered nerd who didn't really engage with sports or television much, so my exposure to black people in the 90's was pretty slim. All that is to say: every single person in my little hick villages knew what a damn fade was. Half the dudes in the trailer park had fades. The hairdressers my mom worked with were tossing fades on everyone. Trying to credit that to Kelce now is insane to me.
How did that work out in how you relate to black people now, did you eventually integrate culturally or are you still an “outsider”?
What kills me is that the fade is one of the few things in black culture that the professional world loves and clutches close to their chest.l, but still can be used to profile us with criminal activity same as any other aspect of black grooming and fashion. If im a businessman or politician, i gotta be bald or have a fade. The military puts so much professional reverence in the fade that they set it as one of only 2 hairstyles men are required to have, bald or fade. (They will roast you on the level of fade, especially if you get the damn high and tight.) No in between. Yet at the same time, in the civilian sector, i can get a crisp fade and be seen as someone who may as well be a criminal but with money. Smdh
I guess move to the NYC metro area cause we all have fades, across all ethnicities, for decades. In professional environments. On wall street. In Greenwich. On Park Ave and Broadway...fades abound...far as the eye can see. Across Bklyn, Qns, SI, and The BX. In Nassau. In Suffolk. In Westchester too...And, yes... even Northern NJ.
Come on over.
Seriously
Ima be real, I’ve NEVER heard of someone profiling a black person because of a fade, maybe for locs and a temp with full on top, but just for a fade, you dragging it
@@Someone_Unknown90i agree
this is very overdramatic, lol.
Speaking of cultural appropriation and racism, the Kansas City CHIEFS. Commodifying indigenous people and racist stereotypes around them is fucked
Wait til you learn about the actual bad teams
👻👻 being like: "[Racist caricature war chant noises] I love the chiefs. After so many years of brutal suffering we have finally made it to the promised land."
I genuinely don’t know how they’re still getting away with being named that when Washington’s team finally changed their name this season
@@xp8969I've spent my whole life as a local having the Chiefs be a bad team. Unless you just mean the problematic parts, not their record. Yeah, the tomahawk chop, Arrowhead Stadium, fans dressing up or using war paint. They are looking to buuld new stadiums in the middle of downtown, and it doesn't feel like we have much say, because they can just threaten to go to the Kansas side or leave. Woke backlash dismisses so many valid points...so rather than a campaign to do better, people double down recreationally
@@olg.__ that was the correct response to those behaviors
As an HBCU grad- this one hurt. I graduated from Tuskegee University in 2017 and there wasn’t a event w/o at least one Druken Swag Surf. Like you could literally hate the people next to you, but if that song came in your locking arms with complete strangers to swag surf. Fond memories. I was mad about this one 😭🤦🏾♀️
Peak "Bo Derek invented locks" energy with that Kelce Cut nonsense.
Ancient Greeks and Romans wore braided hairstyles at times. You're just ignorant, and then you get mad about it.
@payleryder45 No they didn't. Bo Derek was taking exquisite and intricate briads in Africa. In Rome.and Greece were simple locks, like pig tails.
@@payleryder45LOLOL. You know braids and locs are different right? LOLOLOL
@@TheCaptainhowdy11 Yes, Greeks, Romans, and other ancients braided their women's hair. They were not "pigtails."
@@payleryder45 That's basically what they were. They were braided ponytails, not intricate or even close to Africa.
“We are no longer the ideal audience for our own content, thus we do not control the market”
SHEESH. This is so true and sad
I be thinking about this alot. I don't think it's realistic for us to control our culture, outside of the super specific stuff/stuff that most non-Black folks don't seem to find sexy, because it's just too many of us, somebody is always going to want to make some money off some cool stuff they do. And honestly, I don't think that's a bad thing, exactly, I love the things we do and I'm happy when we share *most, not all* of the stuff with others. Personally, I think something we could work on is finding ways to manipulate the narrative in a way that helps us to use the constant scrutiny to build our own cultural institutions, like art centers teaching Black folktales and philosophy from folks like Zora Neale Hurston and James Baldwin and Kendrick Lamar, and more programs dedicated to teaching Afrocentric history, programs connecting instruction in African languages to Black American English and Gullah and stuff like that. I feel like maybe if we build new institutions for the maintenance and evolution of our lifeways, it won't matter as much when random people start talking like our grandparents and calling it Gen Z slang, because we'll have reliable ways of making sure that we control the way we engage with our own stuff.
That had to be the case eventually, looking at how history moves in capitalism.
This is true for every other pop culture from a different group. I can't seen a video from any of them. Vikings are cool. Japanese anime is cool. A lot of black content creators made thier name of anime content. I don't see no Japanese complaining. What is cool will always be copied. How is it said again
Imitation and flattery.
@habibsaliu6208 yeah but this is more of a power imbalance, Japan still have monopoly on anime,manga and most of samurai/ninja esque games they're the ones who benefit the most.
Most black folks don't have that type of monopoly on what they create on the long run .
Sharing is cool and necessary but without benefits it's pointless
thanks for making a categorical difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation. i think its really important, its why places like the USA and UK have some sort of success in multicultural societies, as opposed to places like France and the Netherlands, etc.
The US lacks a culture. It's a blank slate culturally (relatively speaking). So it's easy for the US to be multicultural.
Meanwhile France/Germany/Spain/etc. actually have cuisine, art, music, traditional dance and clothes.
Thats a really great point. Always wondered why European countries seem to be so unwelcoming to black people. Europe is not as appreciative of black culture in some way, which makes the underlying racism more blunt, open and clear.
@@100c0c yeah but, France is a monoculture that pressures minorities into becoming that culture. whereas a place like England, despite its many, MANY, problems, does integrate minority cultures into it’s own (indian british being ubiquitous there now). France will actually still use its colonial minority populations to lead culture whilst denying them their heritage (see their entire football team).
i think with a lot of these mainland European countries, is that they have a cultural hegemony that won’t let itself be challenged. The USA had no cultural hegemony, so the marginalised people there formed it, and those that are on the outside are actually the white majority. As to why the UK is like that, I have no idea. It’s probably something to do with the way they did empire as opposed to France, but Im not really an expert on it.
@@PoopSock07 oh for sure, and now you mention it even the UK is like that with their British Caribbean population, the Windrush scandal sticking out a lot.
@@TheCherryTrader it has 100% to do with their colonial doctrine.
France wanted to "uplift" its colonies by making them more french - actively imposing french culture on anyone educated, thus making French = educated and wealthy.
The UK rather used the existing structures and divisions in the societies they colonized to enact power over them - this was seen by the europeans as more "cruel" in a way - but it turned out later that these societies kept much more of their cultural heritage compared to the french colonies.
an interesting case study is looking at the somali colonies - French somaliland (djibouti) still speak french to this day, whilst british and italian somaliland (modern day somalia) have largely kept their heritage and culture. Somalia is today one of 3 (?) sub saharan african countries that conduct its governance with its own native language as opposed to english, french or other colonial languages.
Well done FD. Whenever I see things like this happen I don’t get mad at all. I just say to myself “It’s giving….Colombus!”😂😂😂😂😂 the one time I did get pissed is when a TikTok went viral because a young white DJ was given credit for “slowed and reverb” when it was clearly “Chopped and Screwed.” …in Houston by DJ Screw literally 20-30 years ago. I just want Black creators to be able to exist in a space where they get credit for their work and paid for it. 💕
Jamila, its giving i come into your house and i rob everything an i eat the last sandwich on my way out.
we also need to quit using phrasings such as " he was not given" , He was taken . we were denied etc.. nawl. this ain't the boogeyman . its entirely caucasian work.
@@PHlophe Do you believe this was a conspiracy to re-write history as part of an overarching white agenda, or just, as I suspect, ignorance?
that slowed nd reverb trend makes me sick.
someone gotta bring back classic chopped and screwed frfr
i remember when savage mode 2 had a chopped not slopped version and people where hatin on it bad but those probably the same that go and search for slow and reverb mixes lol
This was an amazing video!! It almost feels like everyone wants are rhythm but not our blues
I like that, I like that, gonna have to steal that from you.
That video of Travis Kelce saying something to the effect of “Y’all really did this on February 1st too…I didn’t create the style I just ask for it” was hilarious and gave me a lot of [bare minimum but still] respect for him lmao
I feel like Swag Surfing was always a part of Black culture if you lived in a Black city.. since the song dropped.. I was in Milwaukee, WI at the time.. Swag Surfing was everywhere there too (just a note)
Hell I grew up in a suburb outside Toronto and kids were swag surfing
Yeah, I’m from up North and it’s been a thing longer than 4-5 years. It always got played at concerts between acts or before the show started. It’s a good song to keep the crowd engaged and bring everyone together.
But the increase of social media may make it feel more recent.
Love the way you articulated the reasons why specific instances are especially egregious, as I think some people who react poorly to call outs do genuinely get confused about why certain things differ from cultural exchange/appreciation, especially since appropriation gets used overly broadly
Had not heard about NYT claiming the fade for Kelce, but that is CRAZY to me... even as a white person who pays very little attention to hair/fashion, I still know what a fade is and that it was definitely not popularized by some white dude just recently??? my guess would be that they didn't want to add nuance to their fluff piece by including context, since it brings up mildly awkward questions. Even if you are a totally oblivious white sports reporter, surely there are enough other NFL players with similar haircuts to clue you in???
I was glad travis handled the "kelce fade" nonsense pretty well
I live in Brazil, and U.S. racial politics always striked as something so weird and out of place. Even though U.S. goverment were much more openly destructive towards its black population, Brazillian culture tended towards assimilition alongside with violence, which make racial disussions around here much more clouded with disinformation. For example: the haircut presented in this video (known as fade) in Brazil is simply called The American, but also, every single race and masculine person adopts this hairstyle as the norm for men, and most people also cuts their hair with a variant of the American, called The Jaca Cut (referencig to a favela in Rio)
Black Culture, for most part, is the solo foundation of brazillian culture, but also one of the most forgotten roots of itself.
I've always found it fascinating how suppressed the roots are, whenever I talk to Brazilian friends that clearly have African ancestry. They either outright deny it or push back against it. I dont understand why, but that's because I'm a Black American. I'm trying to tho. It seems a sensitive subject.
@@MechakittenX Things is Latin America is a whole region built by many different cultures we are, in many ways, a huge hot pot and while racism is still an issue, we are much more assimilated. Latin American racial dynamics have a different colonial heritage and at the same time a different history than the ones in America.
And personally, I can find many similarities and fraternity with black, asian, white people from my country than a "Latino" from the US. We simply are different.
@@alrrajib6952 discussing racial relationships in Latin America is basically a world history mash-up of many different cultures, but mostly, the aesthetics, the music, the culture in of itself is deeply based in African styles and movements but they are all nameless, they come without the knowledge of their roots, it's just another Joe.
@@MechakittenX there are some illusions of a racial democracy in Brazil, with the student funds for black and poor individuals, but the racism is just more subtle and out of sight. The people who police kills in the favelas rarely get coverage
@@RAINHAMTRL That is true. African culture in Latin America is just "African", no details on it sadly.
Great video. I love the work. Travis on this podcast this week called people out on saying he invented the fade, good on him. I am sure it wasn't lost on any viewer of the channel that Taylor Swage Surfing at Arrowhead is double funny. Enjoy the super bowl, great player on both.
Hope you heal quickly and soon! Thanks for uploading despite vacation and illness
Just for a bit of context regarding white boys with fades - in the UK there are a lot of Turkish and Kurdish barbers and they specialise in that style. It's also fairly cheap and lasts the longest.
Who’s better Turkish barbers or Kurdish
@@alexanderguerrero347 They're pretty similar, although the Turkish guys tend to give you a coffee while they're giving you the cut.
@@philiptaylor8223 To they're the better option, got it.
FD, you have a wonderful smile!! Your dang smile just brightened my morning. Thank you my friend❤
Appreciate the denzel music in the background!
Thanks for acknowledging that we shouldn't feel bad and how you got caught up to, lol, appreciate that
The high and tight kind of has a funny thing going on with it in the military. It's generally pretty unpopular, and most people go with a low or medium fade because it's within regulations and doesn't look ridiculous, but people really, really into the military always get the highest of high and tights. You can kind of predict how much of a tool someone is going to be by looking at how high their fade is. There is some branch variation there. Pretty much every marine I've seen is rocking a high and tight, but generally speaking, people like to exert that small bit of autonomy they have and not look like GI Joe. If Kelse were former military, I could see "I did my hair this way in the military and just kept doing it after I got out because it's low maintenance and easy." as an explanation. It's the case for me personally. But generally non-veterans who intentionally wear military haircuts as some kind of show of support are going to lean more in the "highest of high and tights" direction.
Here to celebrate Black History Month with FD the OG. Show us the good shit!! 🤝
Wholly agreed cept I think it's gone further back than the ATL ringtone era. It's been like this since the Snoop Bling Bling, foshizzle era. I argue he's the first true rapper to really market and commercialize blackism to white america and opened the door for the ATL energy that came with Goodie Mobb/Outkast and eventually that Soulja Boy era.
I was in a boujee rural white high school during the mid to late 2000’s I say that there was definitely a big number of white boys imitating the mainstream hip hop aesthetic of Atlanta not Eminem
@@cheetahluv210Lived the same. Went from being the only white kid at a black school to being in a middle school with 90% white students, and a VERY large portion of the white kids (especially the bullies) were wearing giant baggy tees and sagging pants, talking about wanting a chain and shit. My friends and I clowned on them constantly.
I'm still blaming Lil' Jon.
I went to Alabama A&M from 2009-2013 and when swag surf came on it felt like we were all fam.
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When you talked about black people not being the ideal audience for their own content, damn... I know it's true, it's very clearly observable and well known but fuck it's still genuinely so sad to hear and see every time.
White dudes with a fade that fades into a beard is one way BW identify that a WM might date BW don’t ask me how I know! 😅 it’s been that way since for as long as I can remember. Something tells me Travis kelce knows that too.
we can tell Travis knew this. i am just wondering when Black girls figure this out themselves. . it has always been a thing. that along with ear blings and all the sagging from the past era.
I didn't know this. 😳 Thanks for the tip. 😉
Thanks FD, without you I would be very lost in my reading of online discourse
Commenting for algorithm. Another excellent and illuminating video Fiq
Well researched and communicated as always! Your essays inspire me as a writer and advocate.
“Trucker hat with sunglasses in the car type” is the descriptor I’ve desperately needed for a long time, thanks for that
I’ve started drawing more and more connections with the things you discuss in these videos and my day to day life. I had a really insightful conversation with some black classmates about appreciation vs appropriation and some of those points came up in this video and I found that cool
Sincerely love you said you're enjoying Indian food. I think it's by far the most underrated cuisine. For anyone who loves some butter chicken or tikka masalas or chole, try goat curry
Omg goat curry is my fave! I moved to within less than 5 min of a local Indian place finally and I hit them up constantly
Glad to hear that brother :) @@cynamentl
Not real indian food that’s British food
Brother, you turned me onto "Black Power Media" and "Earn your Liberation" and for I will be forever grateful
This was a great video and a great topic! I learned a lot and enjoyed the experience!
You almost got me with the title....my eye roll was already in motion. Appreciate the post. Get well soon...
16:07 - I feel the same way. Some gatekeeping in general seems necessary but there are drawbacks to it depending on the thing being gatekept. So I feel the same way about it, mixed.
Agreed. Black people complain about the way that we don’t buy Black as much as we support big brands and corporations, and that we Black luxury on the same scale. But when white people started buying Telfar bags, people were like “We can’t have NOTHING omg.” How will a Black designer reach Gucci status if only (some) Black people are willing to support Telfar and others, while complaining about price and quality?
At this point the New York Times is an absolute joke.
Great video. Thanks for the nuanced history lesson and clarified definition of cultural appropriation vs appreciation. 100% agree that hakas are hype as hell.
No joke, appreciate highlighting the delineation between a fade and the high and tight. I wan't even aware of there being a difference, they got locked as interchangeable requests in the meat computer.
'T.I used to be hollering at girls' LMAO
icl both black and white people have been getting fades here in the uk my whole life
I think as long as you're respectful and willing to learn, culture can be shared and appreciated. Unfortunately, I struggle to identify with English culture because we did some absolutely dreadful things to other people (including our own with the poor houses during the industrial revolution) and so many people are ignorant of this or simply don't care and so they perpetuate this attitude generation after generation. When you start falling in love with people outside of your culture, there's a lot of work to learn from past mistakes, but it's incredibly rewarding. I do believe we have so much more that unites us than divides us and it isn't just through trauma
The haka really speaks volumes and gets the message through.
Which makes it a little funny that FD misattributed it to Samoa when it’s from the Māori people of New Zealand
@@Onlinerando I came to the comments to see if anyone mentioned that
Would your second proposed option of making black art meant to stay internal to black culture and audiences necessarily mean creating something meant to also be unappealing for mainstream consumption and non-black audiences? Cause there's no way to prevent people from picking up new cultural wares outside their own culture, so how much control can any creator exert through their own intent?
It's kind of impossible to prevent some level of cultural osmosis these days, especially when it comes to the arts. No matter how far out of your way you go to make someone uncomfortable with that art, there will ALWAYS be someone of another culture which sees it and enjoys, and some who will want to emulate it. Sure, a black artist could make art that is deeply rooted in black culture while trying to avoid using any aspects of white culture, even make it actively hostile to white folks, but there will always be someone on the white side who finds validity in that art and resonates with it. You can't prevent that. Anything that becomes popular with one culture will bleed out into other accepting cultures. It's why we have African music made to sound like American hip hop and R&B, why we have dedicated rappers in K-Pop groups, and why we have Caribbean and Latin influences in pop music in the States.
Is that X-Wing by Denzel Curry in the background?
I think so was about comment the same thing lol. Great song
Yup.
Signifier's secondary channel now has like 10k more subs than Vaush's main channel. Big W!
It doesn't. A Vaush's main channel has close to 500k. Why lie?
8:28 didn't Travis address the media to their faces about this. He told them how they were trying to stir shit by saying he invented a hairstyle worn for generations. That they were "throwing him to the wolves" and that it's called a fade not the Travis.. Yt media always does this but he caught it.
Travis response when asked about it was kinda hilarious
Man was like don’t do this, especially this month of all months no I did not invent the fade 😂
I was waiting for someone to talk about this!
Sounds like you're enjoying your privilege
Great video! Im not from the US, so i didn't know what the swag surf was, and tbh, it seemed two different things when you compare the Swift video and the small stadium one 😂
Hope you're feeling better bruh, great video as usual! Man, holla at Lil' Bill and get him on Nebula too!
Swag surfing at 12 to 2 on a Friday at Hampton University was a rite of passage! Shoutout to all the HBCUs
Please dont fix the typo
@@Mighty_Atheismo Lmao fax
Cultural appropriation cause of a fade ? Lmfao that is wild
I was actually in college when Swag Surg came out in 09. My senior year. It wasn’t super huge while I was school and it didn’t go mainstream til years later
Feel better FD hope you and your fam stay healthy
Us guineas have been getting fades for over a century. Granted at that point in our history people who looked like my dad weren't considered "white".
恭喜發財！ Love the Denzel Curry beat!!!
I don’t wanna car I wanna x wing
i love putting my favs in the background of these videos👀
Sorry F.D. But I was swag surfin in HS and at prom. It didn’t JUST get popular in last 4 years 😂
Genuinely could not believe that NYT article. I feel like if you went to even the whitest suburb imaginable, most teenage boys would know that the fade is a historically black haircut because so many prominent black celebrities have it. I mean Drake has been the 1st or 2nd most popular artist in the world for like 10 years and has only recently stopped having a fade. The article just comes off as not only extremely dismissive of black culture, but also extremely out of touch in general.
Which is why I don’t believe it was done out of ignorance or being “out of touch.” They were trying to start shit. That was the whole point
@@birdiewolf3497sounds like new york times
Imagine calling a basic haircut "black culture". Should we tell BW to stop wearing extensions and wigs?
Getting that Super Bowl clickbait just in time for kick-off
bm are UPSET but when black women spoke about our hairstyles getting snatched and gentrified it was “get over it, it’s just hair”… HMM, i wonder why we can’t just be empathetic towards each other
Because most of those hairstyles aren't unique to black women. Most of them date back thousands of years in multiple cultures, some all the way back to the neanderthals- probably further.
The biggest fight was over a Japanese game using the double buns, which provably originated in ancient China. The argument would have held more water if the fight wasn't mostly over hairstyles appropriated from other cultures or were not culturally specific to begin with
Wow I had no idea the Neanderthals wore box braids LMAO!!! Please be for real!
@@LaurenGabrielle90I think they might be referencing graves of Europeans with dreads and wool tied into their hair many thousands of years bce.
@@LaurenGabrielle90 they literally did, and so did vikings. it's really not that unbelievable that before barber shops existed, people from all over the planet would find ways to keep their hair out of their face
@@shotokhan1992vikings wore box braids? Hmm
To be honest..there's one thing I think when I see anyone do that dance:
"Millions of dollars! Millions of dollars!"
And then the next thought is a sad one, because of how deep Vince buried my man Titus and ripped Darren off TV forever.
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They butchered the hell out of gyatdayum
Waaaaaa yt stealing our haircuts! Never mind our women constantly wearing white hairstyles
As someone around your age and that grew up in the same era as you, every time you drop a reference to something like Black Planet I cackle a lil bit in my "OG" laugh.
The thing people need to add to this conversation is that especially in America, that a lot of features of what we define as culture are derived from one or several inspirations especially as we lose a sense of nationality and melt into the world stage.
First, loved the video. As always, a nuanced, thoughtful production.
Secondly, (and this should not be construed as arguing, or in any way debating your video's content- this is just some history I find interesting, although it may occasion a different discussion one day,) the Fade, as a hairstyle goes all the way back to 1066 CE and the Norman conquest of Britain. Anglo-Saxons wore their hair long. Normans wore their hair short-ish, with the back and sides shaved. When the Normans became the rulers, the hairstyle and the language became the trend. (This is why French was the British courtly language for generations.) Anyway, the trend between the Fade (in its various iterations) and longer hair has been a pendulum swinging in white, Western European cultures ever since. The last major cultural swing towards the Fade, again, in white, Western European cultures, (at least in the US,) was post WWI. If you look at photographs of white men in the 1920s, 30s, and 40s, some version of the Fade (as opposed to the High & Tight, or the Flat Top) is the dominant style. That begins to shift in the 1950s, but the reasons for that are a whole different discussion - but also a discussion involving cultural appropriation of black culture by whites. After about the mid 1950s, the Fade wanes in white culture, more broadly.
It doesn't really come back into white culture until, as I think you correctly pointed out, we begin to see white men attempting to signify an openness to, an affinity for, or a belonging to black culture. (For the belonging to part; yes, some white people grew up in the projects - it's not all trailer parks for poor whites.)
Anyways, this was just a 10,000 foot history flyover, and really not meant to be anything other than interesting trivia.
Keep up the good work. I hope you get to feeling better sooner, rather than later.
Bud I just over my first round of covid and, although it sucked, I think I got off light.
Good luck to ya!
video starts at 4:10 basically
I looked on nebula, which one is the Tupac video? I don’t see it, cheers
I never saw it as a black haircut. It just happens to be a cut that is popular among black men. I've seen photos of Jack Dempsey, a white boxer from the 1920's rockin' a fade. Styles come and go...
@@stopthecap2764that's not what he's saying...
My nigga. Good to see you. Glad you did this video, because I've been pissed about this Travis Kelce for a minute.
we bouta eat rocks for a long time. Cos it looks like he gone go nowhere for a long ass while.
Reminds me a lot of Mark Fisher's book "Capitalist Realism", breaking down on a mechanical level the process you're describing of commodification under capitalism, capturing and then digesting people's culture into this type of content nutrient paste palatable to as wide an audience as possible.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the 2000s👍🏽👍🏽 can't wait
Inno, he was a child.
Donald glover catching a stray is why i love fd videos shit funny 😂😂😂 that show is good too
Now I got Git Up, Git Out stuck in my head
You and me both lol
I remember doing something like swag surfing in Gulfport Mississippi in 2000. We use to do a dance similar to swag surfing at a club called the Cadillac in Gulfport Mississippi.
So say if you see someone who you think is culturally appropriating something, how do you know with 100% certainty that they aren't a part of that culture or have been raised around it?
Or are you basing it solely on their skin color?
Love Nebula. Thanks for the lifetime subscription option last Christmas!
FD playing roblox in 2009 is something I can happily imagine now
the obbys hit back then
I appreciate the Denzel Curry instrumentals playing in the background
Bro needs more recognition
I love you videos 😊 I just wish someone warned me about how addictive they can be.
There’s some overlap with this idea and the iterative principle of memetics. Memes ironically survive longer with less iteration; once they go mainstream everyone starts putting their own spin on them and they eventually transform into something unrecognizable. In both cases, once a corporate interest embraces something its identity is irreparably changed.
Thumbs up for knowing the original definition of a meme.
As soon as a I saw the Kelc cut, I immediately was like, they done fcked up. I’m a black woman and I really don’t appreciate other cultures trying to make it seem like they created something that was already created. Idc how many black women this man has dated, he obviously took inspiration from black men and started rocking the fade, until recent events, where he went from Paul wall, to “ may I see your licenses and registration please?” Like it gets annoying, seeing them always get praised for someone else’s culture.
@@sg23148 no one’s jealous, and no one said anything about what they want to wear, all was said that people need to stop handing over things that was already made in one culture to another and giving them praise for that said creation. Sounds like you should read again.
@@sg23148 oh you’re one of those. I’m not even going to read your response, because there’s no point in arguing with a brick wall. You have a nice day pal
@@sg23148 can you stop responding? Have a nice day. But seriously stop responding, you can’t have a conversation. I might actually be talking to a rock at this point.