I always forget talon exists. Such a boring and unnecessary champ. Pretty much every champ that builds lethality is boring and unnecessary and they all have the exact same gameplay. Stack lethality, rush at enemy, and mash every button
important to note: for conq build, biscuits can be minion demat. triumph can be pom. These are what Zhami and YeDaoShen take. Item can be duskblade or goredrinker
+1 subscriber, love the content pls keep uploading more and more useful videos like this, i learned a lot about the game just seeing one single video, you always explain everything even the minor details like talon waiting the vex show in map or explaining the wave push prior whe he go base, thing like this is what everyone need to know to be better at the game and you explain those things perfectly, ty for this
Hello Dobby! Awesome video as always. I’m a long time viewer of your channel and I’m happy to see a Talon video on Forest. I have some commentary to add about Talon and his rather unique usability as an AD assassin. The magic of Talon is all about the E. Yes you are very slippery and you get around the map quickly for roams but it’s a very powerful tool for combat. It enables you to attack from angles almost no one else can and disengage and re engage from many advantageous points. This allows Talon’s simple kit to have surprising effectiveness. You can catch the enemy off guard, get behind them, kite them away during a team fight or continue chasing. Talon’s gameplay evolves when you start using his E as more than just a roaming tool. It’s extremely powerful mobility. When Forest (the talon in the video) fights he always moves in the direction where he can use E in the best angles. He makes Talon move incredibly well and it feels more than just slippery. Talon’s E also scales in the sense that it’s wall cooldown and the ability cooldown itself lowers and the wallhop becomes faster with movement speed. Great video as always Dobby, it’s always a pleasure when you upload!
what do you think abou esseance reaver on talon mid, I mean without pressence of mind, mana is going out sometines and aslo talon always aa enemies in teamfight with Q aa reset or just to proc passive, with collector we even might get lucky with crit sometimes.
Talon main here with 1.5 million mastery points and I found the video super educational! Thanks Dobby! My tip is to always observe your target's build, as any armor boots or shield is enough to nullify his burst if you haven't fed (so you also don't need to post clips on Twitter insinuating that the champion is bad), his combos in a TF will always vary depending on these circumstances, act accordingly. I particularly love using an AS rune for early trade pressure, making Hydra first item (both bruiser or assassin build) and taking TP everygame, since I'm familiar with its damage and sure I don't need the ignite. That's it! Have fun guys and lets pray for a legendary for our hood boy next year
Every loldobby video teaches me something that makes me clutch my head in my hands in disbelief. HOW DID I NOT KNOW THAT AUTOS REFRESH PASSIVE STACKS BEFORE?????
@@ytSemisenior Doesnt need to be an otp, lots of known peo0le play her from time to time. But their time to time games on zeri or adc overall are 1000x better than a diamomd zeri main with 2k games
Ok so now ranged q resets autoattack? That's good too. Usually when you do the aa q aa combo, the target goes away from mele q range in the 1st aa so you have to ranged q and lose 1 aa. Now you won't lose it.
Hello, I love your content! I am a new LoL player and I am currently having a lot of fun playing Aphelios. Would you think about sharing some Aphelios tricks/builds in the future? :)
just started playing league again this december as midlane and played a few talon games and i wanted to be good at the game again so decided to search lol dobby on youtube and wow a talon video my most played champion maybe its the sign for me to hit master this season and get out of diamond lol
As a masters-gm mmr talon otp I agree with a lot of this but there are a few points I disagree with or some points that need to be touched up on If you are going first strike never go gore drinker you dont need it and u wont make as much money off it it Vice versa never go Never go conq if you are going to go a lethality build. it just wont work out very well. A lot of these talon clips that were shown are into melee matchups and thats when you should go conq. But even then u can still go your first strike because just by talons champ design he already counters melees and they can legit never even walk up. ask me any questions and I will try to answer them if you would like
@@mathieumercier7936 yes a month late but conq is really strong with talon. U can fight fiora riven and some tanks cant kill you when you are running conq. its normal
I never got why Talon isn't popular compared to other assassins especially since he has a lot of mobility and it feels like his win rate has usually been good since like Season 3.
It’s cuz he doesn’t one shot like most assassins and he’s been forced for the longest time to play like an bruiser and I think other assassins at the time were just more flexible and did his job better
Hes very all in focused which forces new players to need to know his kill power compared to champs like kata, zed and akali where they can easily disengage when at a disadvantage
@@Dom-Andrehe's saying that talon get punished harder than other assassins for engaging/disengaging at the wrong time. inexperienced players lose most of his damage by dying only to proc passive or disengage without proccing passive, where, say, lb or zed has better chances to get away for a bad play and still chunks a good amount of health
It's hard to see, but if you scrub frame by frame, you can see that he did Q->R->Auto. He just did it super fast. An easy way to tell is that you can see that he proc'd his bleed passive.
I wish but no, it doesn't work with ignite. If you ignite during ult, the blades will return to talon, no the target that you ignited, I just tried it @@mechanicalsilence1
Title talks about level 1 Talon, thumbnail shows him with fully built Gorestinker, first clip shows him using ult. What Im understanding here is that to win first fight as a level 1 Talon buy Goredrinker instead of starter item, and put first level into your ult instead of your poke.
Oh, God! Goredrinker Talon is back! I remember when they had to take it out of the game because he literally abused the Spite passive better than Sett could. You mean to tell me that they've brought this back, Dobby?! How could you? EDIT: Not Soite, but SPITE
@@evnbd Sorry, I spelled it wrong. It used to be called, "Spite." Goredrinker's old passive gave you AD Based on your missing HP, up to +15%. Talon would get almost 100AD late game, while being extremely hard to kill, since he'd go Bruiser.
Poppy is a counter too no? Mono poppy here, never saw Talon as a threat, can't come to me even if I'm low, if he try to use his E is a guaranteed stun for me etc
i play Talon a lot and never realized until this video that his ult can converge on the target. Most of the time I'm on top of whoever I ult and and the rest I recast so I never saw or noticed.
I dont think goredrink build is good, eclipse is just better. As for biscuits and ultimate hunter i dont think are worth also. Move speed is always better and in some cases item haste, and if inspiration 2nd boots are a must so with what you have left minion demat is better overall. At least thats my opinion.
I prefer eclipse as well but I mean clearly it's good if a one trick does well with it in high elo, that fits my definition at least. Its just a unique playstyle.
Yup its more of a playstyle choice but even so almost all other high elo players build eclipse over it. Maybe he was just playtesting and dobby thought it was a new thing idk.
I asked for the translation this way because I thought that Time of the Forest might be famous only in Korea, and I was worried that if I used nicknames in this video, subscribers might find it strange. If it felt odd, it's my mistake.
More like: Assassins in this game are OP. Even more OP if they can jump over walls, since mobility is #1 in a game where there is no dota2 portal key or teleports etc.
he also has one of the highest base MR in the game, more than any tank. combine that with high hp/regen and it means you have to be brainless to lose to a mage luckily most talon mains are just that
hey bud, don't want to be a negative nancy, but you're objectively wrong and i have terrible things i'm going to do now. it's level TWO buddy, don't get it mixed up next time, or daddy's gonna get angry
You can learn more about Talon here
www.youtube.com/@Forestoftime0
www.deeplol.gg/summoner/KR/%EC%8B%9C%EA%B0%84%EC%9D%98%EC%88%B2-KR1
every league of legends player across the world prays for the day that loldobby graces them with a video for their main champion
And he just did
Veigar/Cho when?
Gwen when
gp when
@@monotechnicthere is a cho gath one from 5 months ago
Nah that first clip is nasty af
the jump and q at 4:00 is nasty, one of the best simple plays i have seen
I always forget talon exists. Such a boring and unnecessary champ. Pretty much every champ that builds lethality is boring and unnecessary and they all have the exact same gameplay. Stack lethality, rush at enemy, and mash every button
It was a waste of flash, the jhin could've finished him
when you oversimplify things like that you could say the same about tanks, bruiser, mages, enchanters, and marksmen. @@barneyboyle6933
@@barneyboyle6933My man's you can describe so much of the roster, even tanks, exactly like that. Lol.
@barneyboyle6933 yeah yet he builds full bruiser/tank, zed usually builds only lethality mythic, mlst lethality champs build at least 1 bruiser item
important to note: for conq build, biscuits can be minion demat. triumph can be pom. These are what Zhami and YeDaoShen take. Item can be duskblade or goredrinker
Eclipse and ghostblade are just as good as dusk imo especially because dusk doesn't synergize with his passive.
@@evnbd from what I remember dusk didn't worked with his passive after the change, but it was a bug they fixed the next parch
@@bob-uc8fk oh yeah I just checked I totally missed that in the patch mb. All three are good then
+1 subscriber, love the content pls keep uploading more and more useful videos like this, i learned a lot about the game just seeing one single video, you always explain everything even the minor details like talon waiting the vex show in map or explaining the wave push prior whe he go base, thing like this is what everyone need to know to be better at the game and you explain those things perfectly, ty for this
Thank you, have a nice day :>
Hello Dobby! Awesome video as always. I’m a long time viewer of your channel and I’m happy to see a Talon video on Forest. I have some commentary to add about Talon and his rather unique usability as an AD assassin.
The magic of Talon is all about the E. Yes you are very slippery and you get around the map quickly for roams but it’s a very powerful tool for combat. It enables you to attack from angles almost no one else can and disengage and re engage from many advantageous points. This allows Talon’s simple kit to have surprising effectiveness. You can catch the enemy off guard, get behind them, kite them away during a team fight or continue chasing. Talon’s gameplay evolves when you start using his E as more than just a roaming tool. It’s extremely powerful mobility.
When Forest (the talon in the video) fights he always moves in the direction where he can use E in the best angles. He makes Talon move incredibly well and it feels more than just slippery. Talon’s E also scales in the sense that it’s wall cooldown and the ability cooldown itself lowers and the wallhop becomes faster with movement speed.
Great video as always Dobby, it’s always a pleasure when you upload!
what do you think abou esseance reaver on talon mid, I mean without pressence of mind, mana is going out sometines and aslo talon always aa enemies in teamfight with Q aa reset or just to proc passive, with collector we even might get lucky with crit sometimes.
@@Ypxfrd essence reaver is awful and so is presence of mind. just learn to use ur mana effectively
@@troyx4 you have no idea what you're talking about LMFAO
It seems you've been watching Forest's gameplay for a long time.
Thank you for emphasizing the importance of the E skill once again :)
@@skelto1019 explain how its good?
2:32 insane flash by sylas
He trying to read talon play. Talon can flash to land W back and aa Q aa active passtive + ignite. Talon main knew he flash for what.
Sylas played well too
Talon main here with 1.5 million mastery points and I found the video super educational! Thanks Dobby! My tip is to always observe your target's build, as any armor boots or shield is enough to nullify his burst if you haven't fed (so you also don't need to post clips on Twitter insinuating that the champion is bad), his combos in a TF will always vary depending on these circumstances, act accordingly. I particularly love using an AS rune for early trade pressure, making Hydra first item (both bruiser or assassin build) and taking TP everygame, since I'm familiar with its damage and sure I don't need the ignite. That's it! Have fun guys and lets pray for a legendary for our hood boy next year
What rank are you
Thank you for comment :)
One day ill be good enough for you to make a video about my gameplay 🙏
wrong
*loud incorrect buzzer*
Bruh
Man these guys above me hatin' him but little did they know I can see the plot armour aura around him
Dobby can make a vid about me
Call it inting 101
Been so long since a Talon vid, thanks mr Dobby guy
Every loldobby video teaches me something that makes me clutch my head in my hands in disbelief. HOW DID I NOT KNOW THAT AUTOS REFRESH PASSIVE STACKS BEFORE?????
Thank you, have a great day !
that wave pull was straight out of dota 2, didnt know it was possible
Loved the video. Your analysis is truly in-depth. Could you perhaps talk about Zeri tips and tricks in the future?
Only if a New otp zeri get challenger in korea 😅
Sure ! Thank you
@@ytSemisenior Doesnt need to be an otp, lots of known peo0le play her from time to time. But their time to time games on zeri or adc overall are 1000x better than a diamomd zeri main with 2k games
Omfg they buffed q range finally? As an otp Talon this is like a god blessing.
They didn‘t buff the range if that‘s what you mean. But it resets auto attack now
Ok so now ranged q resets autoattack? That's good too. Usually when you do the aa q aa combo, the target goes away from mele q range in the 1st aa so you have to ranged q and lose 1 aa. Now you won't lose it.
@@Drakkonyx correct
Hello, I love your content! I am a new LoL player and I am currently having a lot of fun playing Aphelios. Would you think about sharing some Aphelios tricks/builds in the future? :)
just started playing league again this december as midlane and played a few talon games and i wanted to be good at the game again so decided to search lol dobby on youtube and wow a talon video my most played champion maybe its the sign for me to hit master this season and get out of diamond lol
nah that goredrinker bait against sylas was filthy
i love talon, but not many people like to play this champion
As a masters-gm mmr talon otp I agree with a lot of this but there are a few points I disagree with or some points that need to be touched up on
If you are going first strike never go gore drinker you dont need it and u wont make as much money off it it
Vice versa never go
Never go conq if you are going to go a lethality build. it just wont work out very well.
A lot of these talon clips that were shown are into melee matchups and thats when you should go conq.
But even then u can still go your first strike because just by talons champ design he already counters melees and they can legit never even walk up.
ask me any questions and I will try to answer them if you would like
Is it usual to outlast bruisers, have wave clear and still be able to one shot with this build like shown in the video ?
@@mathieumercier7936 yes a month late but conq is really strong with talon. U can fight fiora riven and some tanks cant kill you when you are running conq. its normal
talon is still really strong riught now
Idk why but i find it hilarious that you call him "The main" everytime xD also good video bro ^^
Thoughts on going phase rush or electrocute as well vs mages?
There is this chinese talon one trick yedaoshen that does this
I hope you can make one of those about 뇌 녹 사 one day, literally the goat
Would love to see another video on Akali if there are any good one tricks under the radar
Learned new things watching your videos
I wonder if champs pick rate spikes a little bit after these videos cuz after I finish em I always end up trying the champ
I used to knows how Talon's ult worked... I took a massive break and now I knows no shit...😂
Now of only I could bring myself to be that disciplined
As a Talon OTP, you have given me good food
I never got why Talon isn't popular compared to other assassins especially since he has a lot of mobility and it feels like his win rate has usually been good since like Season 3.
It’s cuz he doesn’t one shot like most assassins and he’s been forced for the longest time to play like an bruiser and I think other assassins at the time were just more flexible and did his job better
his winrate is good by the reason you are asking.. only otp's play him..
Hes very all in focused which forces new players to need to know his kill power compared to champs like kata, zed and akali where they can easily disengage when at a disadvantage
@@wailmerpail so Talon is not included in disengage with his movility? Im curious why because I wanna try him
@@Dom-Andrehe's saying that talon get punished harder than other assassins for engaging/disengaging at the wrong time.
inexperienced players lose most of his damage by dying only to proc passive or disengage without proccing passive, where, say, lb or zed has better chances to get away for a bad play and still chunks a good amount of health
Video about Azir after on-hit buffs pls i saw alot of players decide to pick fleet footwork now
the dodges at 9:03 are insane
Great content, bro, keep it up. On our platform, you can get a dose of cool emotions from taking on challenges in League of Legends 🔥
That's exactly what i have been looking for
0:25 Why did the ult blades track Kaisa and not Talon? The blades follow what he Qs now?
It always was. blades are hitting champ recently damaged by q or w
that's the old talon R, the new talon R follows your Q or AA
It's hard to see, but if you scrub frame by frame, you can see that he did Q->R->Auto. He just did it super fast. An easy way to tell is that you can see that he proc'd his bleed passive.
I wish but no, it doesn't work with ignite. If you ignite during ult, the blades will return to talon, no the target that you ignited, I just tried it @@mechanicalsilence1
@@mechanicalsilence1 no ign doesnt work
Title talks about level 1 Talon, thumbnail shows him with fully built Gorestinker, first clip shows him using ult.
What Im understanding here is that to win first fight as a level 1 Talon buy Goredrinker instead of starter item, and put first level into your ult instead of your poke.
Dobby next time try checking on Yamikaze this guy is a pure artist with Talon trust me!
lol he quit lol bro.
@@sametekiz3709 he cameback some time ago
Dobby, Druttut wanted you to make a video about his 71% winrate so please collab?
talon mains we are so back
we are not back
Because we never left 😎
2:30 i love how sylas flashes absolutely nothing
He try to read talon play. Talon can flash to land W back and aa Q Aa passive
babe wake up new lol dobby just dropped
Please do a new adc analysis video
The Pantheon counters the coupon to zero, right?
i wonder what bruiser talon build will be in s14,maybe eclipse
Eclipse, ravenous hydra, sundered sky
Oh, God! Goredrinker Talon is back! I remember when they had to take it out of the game because he literally abused the Spite passive better than Sett could. You mean to tell me that they've brought this back, Dobby?! How could you?
EDIT: Not Soite, but SPITE
What's soite? Sorry I'm new
@@evnbd Sorry, I spelled it wrong. It used to be called, "Spite." Goredrinker's old passive gave you AD Based on your missing HP, up to +15%. Talon would get almost 100AD late game, while being extremely hard to kill, since he'd go Bruiser.
@@omegaminoseer4539 thanks and yeah I do remember that. They removed that passive from gore around when I started playing.
Still looking forward to the Taliyah guide… any day now :3
super cool video🥰
would like a zeri video
I wasn’t aware xpetu was in korea
just learning Talon for a week, his scaling is insane
LOL
AD scaling is good, but still gets completely stat-checked by Bruisers (I think every champ is though)
xd the whole point of talon is to be full build while everyone is 2 items, u dont wanna wait late game, hes weak when even
he's trash once everyone has 3-4 items
His base burst damage is high and scales decent IMO. Gets one shot like any other assassin late game if you go lethality
Poppy is a counter too no? Mono poppy here, never saw Talon as a threat, can't come to me even if I'm low, if he try to use his E is a guaranteed stun for me etc
"Why the Best Talon KR is Strong From Lvl 1" *shows talon fighting akali at lvl 7*
oh Adventure JJD
i find but dont find any Talon Q buff on patch history
Druttut video when ?
Day42 asking u to talk about sinarias (best yi in the world)
If he comes back KR server, I'll definitely check it out
i play Talon a lot and never realized until this video that his ult can converge on the target. Most of the time I'm on top of whoever I ult and and the rest I recast so I never saw or noticed.
You need to R then Q for that to happen
*Chef's kiss*
Heloo Dobby pls do kassadin oh i forgot no one plays this fucking shit
Yamator
@@Mysticalwisetree327 Mots
@@Mysticalwisetree327MOTS
good
why are you calling him the main instead of giving us his name, but im guessing its not yedaoshen
It’s Forest of Time. He changed his name back to Korean but it used to be in English, I think it just reads forest of time in Korean now.
twisted fate video when?
DID YOU KNOW
Talon is responsible for 25% of the first blood
2:32 why he flash anyway?
I dont think goredrink build is good, eclipse is just better. As for biscuits and ultimate hunter i dont think are worth also. Move speed is always better and in some cases item haste, and if inspiration 2nd boots are a must so with what you have left minion demat is better overall. At least thats my opinion.
I prefer eclipse as well but I mean clearly it's good if a one trick does well with it in high elo, that fits my definition at least. Its just a unique playstyle.
Yup its more of a playstyle choice but even so almost all other high elo players build eclipse over it. Maybe he was just playtesting and dobby thought it was a new thing idk.
So is he a talon main?
9:55 How the fuck does irelia have 150 cs higher than the rest of the lobby lol
Talon is roaming, top is perma fighting eachother not farming and botlaners never farm only perma coinflip
since when is akali ranged?
John "Talon" Wick
I read it as "hidden deaths" and expected more of an easter eggs video. Nevertheless, this is also fine.
Gg broo
counther talon zed, renekton,diana
Is there any reason to why you hid his name?
Calling him "the main" throughout the entire vid is a lil bit odd.
I asked for the translation this way because I thought that Time of the Forest might be famous only in Korea, and I was worried that if I used nicknames in this video, subscribers might find it strange.
If it felt odd, it's my mistake.
帥喔
Easy answer, cause this shit Is the most Easy ad assassin to play
The ex kassadin main yimit is better
MOTS Alarm
Best talon in KR? Can he beat Pzzang Yasuo tho?
goku clears
pzzang also lose lol
@@hahahakatarinaxd762 proof?
Glazing is crazy
More like: Assassins in this game are OP. Even more OP if they can jump over walls, since mobility is #1 in a game where there is no dota2 portal key or teleports etc.
He's legit an actual assassin from AC games at that point even moreso with the looks than current ac games
he also has one of the highest base MR in the game, more than any tank. combine that with high hp/regen and it means you have to be brainless to lose to a mage
luckily most talon mains are just that
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The result when a incredibly skilled player plays a skilless champ
Q xdd
Beifeng still better
First
we call it Q2 not ranged Q ffs
second
hey bud, don't want to be a negative nancy, but you're objectively wrong and i have terrible things i'm going to do now. it's level TWO buddy, don't get it mixed up next time, or daddy's gonna get angry
talon lvl 2 strongest in the game fr.
that first play was all literally akali being shit not the talon being good
Is pyke level 3 while talon is level 8??? 8:45
Pike support has been roaming too much, and it's causing a delay in leveling
talon mains rise up