4:36 the maximum voltage with PD 3.1 is actually 48V, not 50V ("New 28V, 36V, and 48V fixed voltages enable up to 140W, 180W and 240W power levels, respectively." www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd ) Otherwise it would be 250W, as 50V*5A=250VA=250W.
usb c is nice and all but it has some quirks (not for consumers tho) i think qc 3.0 and above does an amazing job of power delivery providing 200mv increments and is very easy to implement, plus the usb c negotiation is pretty complex and kinda hard to implement lets say for start ups, and uses a dedicated ic to interface with the device which further increases the complexity of implementing it. i have implemented qc in many of my projects and it was very easy, but usb c pd was a pain in the a** to do, luckily there exist cheap trigger boards (zy12pdn) but then they are not open source and use some unknown ic
Can’t wait to see these get on the market, hopefully wielding possibility of things such as a 240W (120W per channel) stereo power amp that runs off of USB-C PD instead of AC power
cuz protocols have became complex and usb c supports a ton of them, thunderbolt cables can be even used for egpu's so 20+ is a bare minimum there as pcie uses a lot of io
That won't happen dream on. To do that u need some super thick insulation and that would render it not suitable to be a USB cable because many people won't buy it.
Gaming laptops that could be powered by USB-C would be great. Have your 240 watt charger at home for gaming, bring a 60 watt usb c charger when you’re away and just need it to turn on or charge but not game at full speed.
@@ahgflyguy I'm fully aware of its application, but this might be taking longer for mobile and laptop charger to adopt due to the shortage compared to PD 100W 4-5 years ago
well i hope that marker ic dosent get reverse engineered for some time, if it does then we would have a ton of poorly made unauthorised chinese usb c 3.1 clones, which could be a fire hazard and may damage the device
i prefer use the old DC circle connector to use 240 watt power consumption on electronics device than use type C on 240 watt PD. My reason is, 240 watt is huge power for that tiny cable and type c connector. i know it can run normally BUT you must have top quality material for that cable n the type c connector. (i bet the cable is not cheap) what about high transfer data + high transfer power type c cable? 🤭 I bet u can buy new headset/mouse/keyboard for that money. Its better than u buy for that cable right?
When you use a USB C dock that charges your laptop and connects everything with one cable you'll never go back. If you can have a DC connector cable that supports 240 watts you can have a USB C cable with the same raw material cost. You'd use the same amount of nickel. The expensive part is the connectors, which contain chips and are complicated themselves. But even that's not that bad. Also, 240W is essential to convert gaming laptops into using USB C. I won't buy a gaming laptop that doesn't charge through USB C, that's how good it is. But, that limits me to 100W currently.
@@AJ-wf1vh did you know about arc phenomenon? and the type c length is 8mm + has 12 pin/1side. for me this is a big problem if your electronic device often get electric arc
@@m-luthfi usb c has a pairing protocol before supplying voltage higher than 5V Also, voltage and ground pins extend further, so data pins disconnect first. When they do, the voltage is cut before the voltage pins disconnect So arcing is not an issue. Voltage is supplied only when the pins make contact. Perhaps with a dummy barrel plug it is.
@@AJ-wf1vh i wish they can solve that. as i know, feb 2022 there is still no electronic device (especially laptop) support more than ~100 watt type c PD. perhap that is the problem why manufacture company didnt make type c PD 100 w+ cause of that issue (?)
So nothing has changed in cable thickness, it means it passes thru 48V@5A. There should be no difference with 100W cables, wich are the same ratad 5A, only with 20V
Only the 2 thicker wires are used for the power delivery and they will never be put under more current than 5A. Additionally, the cable is very short, I don't expect resistance to be significant at all. If I had to guess, it won't become more than slightly warm to the touch under continuous load.
@@theo610 take it to the next level and add wired Ethernet to the USB-C sockets too. PoETexas have some awesome power + data USB-C wall sockets, but none with 240W + gigabit yet.
@@iamdave84 Do you mean USB & POE COMBINED in one USB C connection ? Meaning one connection does data & power (POE) ? Because that would would be incredible indeed.
Please make a teardown and comparison video of 3A USB- C to USB-C cables ( Samsung USB-C to C 3A cable for 25W PPS charger or some other similar cable ) with that of 100W 5A cables.
Dude... You could have tested the Data Transfer Rate before cutting the cable... What a waste.... DIY a test circuit with a USB C Breakout Board. Anyway, it should work because they just increased the voltage in the new cable.
I think that tester only works when connected to the power source end of the cable, but it would be interesting to see if the voltage at the other end is any less.
Now we just need a USB4.x that brings at least 80gbps to go along PD 3.1 for the ultimate connector tech.
I hope so.
@@ChargerLAB Where can I buy the cable?
Thunderbolt 5 with 80 gbps will be released before that.
@@aninditabasak7694 Yeah, but only 3 people on the planet will use it..
Thanks ChargerLab for the USB-C cable teardown … the internal wires are surprisingly robust and the end connectors are strong
Wow! 50V@5A... Really interesting and it's well built, otherwise there may be a serious risk of fire!
Here I am at 6:30 in the morning watching a cable teardown
This is the video I was looking for, thank you! Also, I kept hearing Smackbook which made me giggle 🤭
😁
You do amazing work. These UsB c cables are so confusing
I wish you could try it on power banks or stations that has an input/output higher than 100watts.
hope all of the gaming laptops charge with 240 watt usb c
amazing work! really love watching these videos I hope your fan base gets bigger and bigger each day
were you not able to make a Load tester to push the cable to closer to 140w?
4:36 the maximum voltage with PD 3.1 is actually 48V, not 50V ("New 28V, 36V, and 48V fixed voltages enable up to 140W, 180W and 240W power levels, respectively." www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd )
Otherwise it would be 250W, as 50V*5A=250VA=250W.
Yes, the cable can support 50V in theory, but actually it will be limited to 48V because of the protocol.
The USB PD 3.1 specification specifically defines EPR as a cable supporting a maximum voltage of 50V (50.9V specifically)
usb c is nice and all but it has some quirks (not for consumers tho) i think qc 3.0 and above does an amazing job of power delivery providing 200mv increments and is very easy to implement, plus the usb c negotiation is pretty complex and kinda hard to implement lets say for start ups, and uses a dedicated ic to interface with the device which further increases the complexity of implementing it. i have implemented qc in many of my projects and it was very easy, but usb c pd was a pain in the a** to do, luckily there exist cheap trigger boards (zy12pdn) but then they are not open source and use some unknown ic
@@prajaybasu probably at a lower current, so 50v at 4.8a which would equal to the claimed 240w or maybe achieving the 240w at a lower voltage like 48v
Glad the UA-cam algorithm recommended me this
Can’t wait to see these get on the market, hopefully wielding possibility of things such as a 240W (120W per channel) stereo power amp that runs off of USB-C PD instead of AC power
USB in 1996: 4 wires are enough
USB today: We actually need 22 wires just to connect 2 devices
cuz protocols have became complex and usb c supports a ton of them, thunderbolt cables can be even used for egpu's so 20+ is a bare minimum there as pcie uses a lot of io
Please put resistance value and wire gauge and material of the wires in cable reviews, because that is all that counts in the end !
Great Details! Keep Going!!
Unfortunately I'm at school but as soon as I get home I'll make a full view!
Thanks for your sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great video!
What is that chip in the connector you were talking about?
E-Marker Chip, which can support 5A current.
I'm really excited about epr in usb
Link of the cable please!
It's not officially on sale.
Wow, one day I'll be able to charge my household appliances off of one of these like my dryer, fridge, and stove
Yep, that's what I hope as well.
That won't happen dream on. To do that u need some super thick insulation and that would render it not suitable to be a USB cable because many people won't buy it.
So detail in video 😘😘
Been looking for this PD 240W since Q3 2021, still cant find any OEM charger and cable
Any new technology takes time to popularize
Gaming laptops that could be powered by USB-C would be great. Have your 240 watt charger at home for gaming, bring a 60 watt usb c charger when you’re away and just need it to turn on or charge but not game at full speed.
@@ahgflyguy I'm fully aware of its application, but this might be taking longer for mobile and laptop charger to adopt due to the shortage compared to PD 100W 4-5 years ago
Wasn't this supposed to be out last year?
well i hope that marker ic dosent get reverse engineered for some time, if it does then we would have a ton of poorly made unauthorised chinese usb c 3.1 clones, which could be a fire hazard and may damage the device
i prefer use the old DC circle connector to use 240 watt power consumption on electronics device than use type C on 240 watt PD.
My reason is,
240 watt is huge power for that tiny cable and type c connector. i know it can run normally BUT you must have top quality material for that cable n the type c connector. (i bet the cable is not cheap)
what about high transfer data + high transfer power type c cable?
🤭 I bet u can buy new headset/mouse/keyboard for that money. Its better than u buy for that cable right?
When you use a USB C dock that charges your laptop and connects everything with one cable you'll never go back.
If you can have a DC connector cable that supports 240 watts you can have a USB C cable with the same raw material cost. You'd use the same amount of nickel. The expensive part is the connectors, which contain chips and are complicated themselves. But even that's not that bad.
Also, 240W is essential to convert gaming laptops into using USB C. I won't buy a gaming laptop that doesn't charge through USB C, that's how good it is. But, that limits me to 100W currently.
@@AJ-wf1vh did you know about arc phenomenon?
and the type c length is 8mm + has 12 pin/1side.
for me this is a big problem if your electronic device often get electric arc
@@m-luthfi usb c has a pairing protocol before supplying voltage higher than 5V
Also, voltage and ground pins extend further, so data pins disconnect first. When they do, the voltage is cut before the voltage pins disconnect
So arcing is not an issue. Voltage is supplied only when the pins make contact. Perhaps with a dummy barrel plug it is.
@@m-luthfi while it may seem a small distance, I will assume that the engineers that made the connector did the math. So it should be fine for 48V 5A
@@AJ-wf1vh i wish they can solve that.
as i know, feb 2022 there is still no electronic device (especially laptop) support more than ~100 watt type c PD. perhap that is the problem why manufacture company didnt make type c PD 100 w+ cause of that issue (?)
So nothing has changed in cable thickness, it means it passes thru 48V@5A. There should be no difference with 100W cables, wich are the same ratad 5A, only with 20V
The voltage needs to be raised, and it needs to satisfy EPR standard.
Can't wait for USB C gaming laptops
Do you know what the material of the signal/data transferring/charging wire is?
copper
@@ChargerLAB Thank you!
Here before it'll go 1m subs...
But who is the manufacturer of this specific cable? Any link where to purchase it please?
It comes from factory, and there's no price and purchase link right now. Sorry about that.
Wow!!! PD3.1
Built like a tank
What does the chip do? Any more info available or link to the datasheet?
Identify the capabilities of the cable so that devices know how much power they can draw/data transfer speeds.
Curious if these small wires can carry 240w without overheating.
Only the 2 thicker wires are used for the power delivery and they will never be put under more current than 5A. Additionally, the cable is very short, I don't expect resistance to be significant at all. If I had to guess, it won't become more than slightly warm to the touch under continuous load.
Because heating is caused by current not voltage, there’s actually no difference in cable heating between 100w and 240w
whats the analyzer your using to check the emarker ?
It's the KM002C, you can check it the description and click the Amazon link.
48V and 5A over those hair wires?
Do u know if there is a wall power socket that supports the USB-C EPR 240W to go along with that cable ?
We do not have that yet, but I hope we'll have it soon.
@@ChargerLAB That would be amazing because I am planning to put those in every corner of my new home :)
@@theo610 take it to the next level and add wired Ethernet to the USB-C sockets too.
PoETexas have some awesome power + data USB-C wall sockets, but none with 240W + gigabit yet.
@@iamdave84 Do you mean USB & POE COMBINED in one USB C connection ? Meaning one connection does data & power (POE) ? Because that would would be incredible indeed.
@@theo610 yes, that's exactly what I mean. USB-PD power, plus wired data through a USB-C wall socket, all powered by PoE.
Seems good but dammmm expensive
Ugreen have released one. Amazon £25
new lenovo laptops can supports 135 wstt. can you try it?
Lenovo 135W is private protocol, not PD.
So, this 240W cable cannot support it.
Can you buy a new camera to zoom on objects please
you should use a black background at table too better visual...
Thanks for the suggestion.
What does (tunsal) fiber supposed to do ? 😅
tensile fibers. so when you pull the cable, it doesn't stretch/damage the metal, but rather the fiber resists pulling.
@@geobioboo 🥰🥰🥰 thanks ❤️
Please make a teardown and comparison video of 3A USB- C to USB-C cables ( Samsung USB-C to C 3A cable for 25W PPS charger or some other similar cable ) with that of 100W 5A cables.
Where is the ground wire? Are the exposed copper strands being used for ground return?
yes
shielding of the cable + the strands
Dude...
You could have tested the Data Transfer Rate before cutting the cable... What a waste....
DIY a test circuit with a USB C Breakout Board.
Anyway, it should work because they just increased the voltage in the new cable.
We do have test it, only for USB2.0, so it's a charging cable, not for data transmission.
Charging the MacBook at 100W confirms that the data transmission was working at USB 2 speeds.
where is voltage drop test at given amperage
I think that tester only works when connected to the power source end of the cable, but it would be interesting to see if the voltage at the other end is any less.
Anyone guess the red wire awg ??
you just cut a million dollar cable 🤪
🤣
You seems like a Taiwanese?
I accidentally stepped on mine.. so pissed off. Don't know if I can get one in this current country
Link to cable ?
It's not officially on sale.
White background doesn’t see clearly the wires cable
thanks for the advice.
🥰🥰🥰😍😍
Wow 240w
9v 27A:))
It will melt the cable
Ampere is causing heat
this is not a good cable
First viewer 😂