@@healthyamerican @healthyamerican you're very against LRs but truth is, this defender is completely revolutionary and changing the off road game. By far the best off roader of the modern era
If you’re a Land Rover fan (I am) it’s hard not to see the bias in this review. Like others have said, it really is like comparing apples to oranges. The Defender is definitely a closer comparison to a Wrangler than other options in the LR lineup, but they really are meant for different things. The Wrangler is more of a dedicated off-roader, though I’m not sure if it’s much better in it’s stock setup. Personally I’d go with the Defender as a better combination of robustness, comfort and utility for expeditions requiring a significant amount of off road but not rock crawling. I’ve always liked Jeeps, but having ridden in a couple Wranglers, they typically feel hard, cheap and cramped. They have improved in recent years, but once you’ve ridden in a LR and seen how capable AND comfortable it is, it’s hard to consider a Wrangler. Also, I’m not sure about the Defender, but I know with the LR3 and LR4 raising the suspension is as easy as a set of
Maybe for the United States its jeep is better but for the rest of the world it is undoubtedly the land rover.. It is a guaranteed adventure of prestige and a legend
perhaps the old land rovers of yesterday were as you say. land rover used to release their new vehicles by having camel trophy events. they dont do that anymore, because their vehicles are no longer serious off road vehicles. now they drive them through water puddles to make a splash, drive across sand, and two inches of snow. they are not what they once were. i thought you already knew that. by the way, it was jeep that won WWII, not land rover
Defrnder has good off road capability with its terrain response all terrain progresa control and hill discent conttrol.Its better than wrangler and g class
Shoddy quality and 1 star safety rating on that wrangler. It may work off road but at a huge compromise everywhere else. The defender is actually innovative and not copying an outdated design
she gave plenty of compliments to the defender, but it want enough for you, because you know that no matter how hard land rover tries, it will never follow a jeep off road. so you want to slander jeep any way you can. sad
Every time the LR came first there was a but. Truth be told one is an over lander and the other is so uncomfortable your other choice must be a wagon. And yes the LR would do the Rubicon trail!
How much is Jeep paying you to shill their antiquated technology? Every point you make is directed towards positive for Jeep and not so much for Defender. (BTW, I am not a Defender fanboy, just someone who can spot a shill miles away.) BIG AZZED THUMBS DOWN.
your comment makes no sense. lets talk about the rubicon trail. the jeep which you called antiquated technology, can go across the rubicon trail, straight off the showroom floor. lets see the high tech land rover go across the rubicon. she drove both vehicles off road, including the jeep across the rubicon. how can you tell her she is biased when you havent done what she has done?
Well, moron RustyTrombone, if you watch any video comparison between the two vehicles, you will plainly see that the Jeep's mechanical off-road hardware and mechanical-based approaches, clearly annihilates the software-dominant (less hardware-based approach) of the Land Rover. What a buffoon you are. Jeep simply wins.
At least one experienced off road expert on this Namibia drive stated that the Defender could do the Rubicon... but, that this type of rock crawl is better done by a Jeep. The Defender is not intended to compete with Wrangler as an extreme rock crawler, but more for the multi day overland trips as they do in Australia and Africa.
Let's face it: whichever you buy, it'll be on the road most of the time. The defender is more than capable enough off road and 100000x more comfortable according in every setting according to every single review I've seen. I'm sold. If air suspension bothers you (it does come without), get the 90 with springs. Props to LR for trying something new. I mean, if you want a sore arse at the end of the day, you may as well buy a pickup for half the price!
I think the Defender is more of a overlander, with pretty decent on-road ability and damn good off-road ability. On pure off-roading like the rock-crawling that Jeeps in USA often do, you would not want it for a 3 day jaunt through the wilds of Namibia. JLR has very smartly chosen its test drive location and style, because it truly shows the home terrain of the Defender. And if you honestly wanted a street SUV that can go off road, you should probably pick the Discovery and not the Defender.
Despite your obvious Wrangler bias you found it hard to come up with anything to criticize the Defender. Having watched several Defender reviews now I’m dying to get one. It’s a bit if an apples to oranges comparison between the Wrangler and the Defender. The Defender should be compared with the G Wagen.
your comment is such hypocrisy. you said she was biased but then pointed out she couldnt find faults with the defender. she is the one who drove both vehicles off road, while you were at home watching youtube..yet you are making false accusations about her. what a shame
Having worked in an off-road shop, the Jeep definitely has an aftermarket advantages, I mean they might as well be made of Lego, but I've seen the darker side of Jeep too, and that is reliability. I know we're talking about land rover here, but really and seriously the Jeep has many if not all of the same issues that most people think Land Rover has as well as some that are completely unique to it. Bent axles, broken transfer cases, blown up engines, destroyed transmissions, and don't forget death wobble, are but of a few of the common things we saw, not even counting all the daily issues that pop up on them. I've had two V8 series II Discovery's, probably the most known for being unreliable, and yes they had their issues but one had over 400,000km on it and had never been apart, it did have some really "interesting" electrical issues, and the other one had the three amigos thing but I wheeled them hard and I never had to hike out of anywhere which is more than I can say for the Jeeps that were following. So I think I will stick with my "unreliable" Land Rovers
If you live in America the Jeep is far easier to access for parts. If you are doing hardcore off road you will take damage no matter what you drive. And because you are pushing them in rough terrain wear and tear is going to happen. I use a defender, toyota, and F-150 on my farm and they all take damage if being pushed and roughed around.
@@healthyamerican you're very against LRs but truth is, this defender is completely revolutionary and changing the off road game. By far the best off roader of the modern era
The new defender is a yummy mummy vehicle so they can drop the kids to soccer practice and drive on the field with the balls and cones if they are a control freak.
Rubbish. I know several Jeep owners who love the off road capability, but hate the on road driving, the cramped space, and have had mechanical gremlins too. Some of them will easily be tempted to try the Defender with far better comfort, easy long range cruising to get to the off road places, more space, higher payload.... and yes they will give up maybe 10-15% extreme rock crawling ability, that most never use. At least here, the base defender overlaps with higher end Wranglers, so the prices aren't different enough for many to not shop both.
These are not adversarial products. The new Defender I have on order is my third modern LR product, and I am very pleased with each of them. I understand and support the design trade-offs made for the value provided, at the time they were designed and sold. I have friends who own Jeeps, and they are happy with the design trade-offs made by Jeep. Neither I nor they would switch, because what we desire to accomplish when we go off-road is very different. The more interesting comparison for the Defender, I think, will be Toyota 4X products (particularly since both are global). Again, design trade-offs are made by Toyota for value delivered, different than either Jeep or LR. Personally, I have never enjoyed the driving experience of a Toyota, whatsover. But, many value their reliability above all else, and by measure, those folks are entirely correct ... versus either Jeeps or JLR. Happy Motoring !!
I have spent time in both. Although they may be close for offroading the Defender far exceeds the Jeep for comfort, technology, etc for regular driving.
So here’s my take on the Defender- it’s not a Defender at all, it’s a relaunch of the Discovery. Here’s my reasoning: 1. The Disco was launched as a near luxury offroad vehicle, slotted to fit between the purely rugged but lack of creature comfort Defender and the superbly apportioned but extremely pricey Range Rover. A true allrounder, something you take the kids to school with, go shopping with, tow your boat with, go for a road trip in comfort with, or go offroading with. Look at the market segment the new Defender occupies- it is that same segment. While there may be no more rugged and spartan vehicle the LR family on the one side of it, the market segment is the same as that occupied by the Disco 1 and really all Discos (and LR3 and LR4) here in the States. 2. Let’s look at the underpinnings of the vehicle- namely the suspension and four wheel drive system. First, the suspension. It is the same air suspension that LR has been using in the Disco 3 and 4 now for like 15 years. While initially the Disco 3s had some issues with them, I have not heard of substantial issues with the units in the Disco 4s. All air sus is not created equal, and the reason Discos are not harsh because they don’t use all of their extension in their offroad settings- there is more to be accessed should you get high centered and also to allow for articulation. It is also why you can lift them another 2 inches to fit 33s on 18 in wheels using Johnson Rods- even though you are taking up 2 more inches of travel, there is still plenty to spare to allow for articulation. Also, the air sus in the Discos works just like the new Defender in that when one wheel rises it send extra air to the other wheel to push it down. It is a very good system that works well offroad- as good as a solid axle- no, but plenty good for what 90% of people are going to be doing offroad. Second, the four wheel drive system. Again it is the same terrain response that has been used since in the Disco 3 and 4s. It is a phenomenal system- imo the best out there of any of the systems that aren’t just traditional front, rear and center lockers. Ford basically uses it in it’s vehicles (insert Raptor here), as they took it with them after selling off JLR. It has high and low range with a very good low crawl ratio. The terrain response adjusts throttle tip in, steering wheel sensitivity, and height, as well delivering power to the wheels in a capacity designed for the certain types of terrain. The Disco 3 and 4s also had the optional locking rear and center diffs called the Heavy Duty (HD) package, just like the new Defender. 3. Cameras, cameras and more cameras- yup, you guessed it, just like the Disco 4. 4. Towing and cargo capacity- Disco 4- 7,716 lbs. New Defender- 7,716 to 8,201 lbs. 5. So the basic underpinnings are an LR4. So now what does it take from the Disco 1 and 2? How about the swinging rear door with mounted spare tire. This wasn’t unique to the Defender, it was on the Disco 1 and 2 also. And the alpine windows- everyone is talking about how cool a desig touch from the old Defender they are- well they were also in the Disco. So how good will this new Defender be? Well I think that depends on what one wants to with it. If you plan to go rock bashing and playing on black diamond gnarly trails in offroad parks, this isn’t the veh I would recommend. Then you want solid axles, coils springs, disconnecting sway bars, and traditional front and rear lockers (manual preferably bc I have seen plenty of electronic ones fail). If you plan to go overlanding or otherwise driving for several days out in remote stretches where there may be no help for days, then this is not the vehicle I would recommend. I would recommend something more mechanical so that, when it breaks, you can repair it on the spot. Oh, and bring spare parts. I love when people brag about the superiority of mechanical offroaders and then I run across them broken down on the trail and they can’t fix themselves bc they don’t have the parts or parts to improvise. But if you want an all around veh- one that will be good on road, especially on long road trips, one that can tow a 5000-7000 pound trailer, and one that can offroad on moderate trails (blues and some more mellow blacks, beaches, desert) and you are going out not too far from civilization- say days trips up to a long weekend or so, then the Defender will be a great vehicle for that. It is definitely a more well rounded vehicle than a solid front and rear axle veh, will tow more than most offroaders (so if that’s a necessary criteria it will exempt vehicles like the Jeep Wrangler from your options and probably put you in half ton truck territory), yet will still do what probably 95% of people do offroad with their dailies. So many rigs I see on the same trails I’m on doing the same features as me with my LR4 are overbuilt. I mean you don’t need 37s and solid axles to drive to your favorite surfing or surf fishing spot on the beach, or do any of the green and blue trails. And let’s face it- a lot of that is for the look, not the necessity. And if it makes you feel better, take the Defender name off the front and put on Land Rover and just tell yourself you got the new Disco, because in reality that’s what it is anyway.
If you’re going to buy one of these just keep in mind, if you’re going to actually use it for what it’s made for (going off road) you WILL break something at some point and wow that defender looks expensive to maintain. But if you’re gonna keep it on safe fire trails or maybe some snow sure go with the rover. Any real rock crawling or difficult trails go wrangler.
How to choose between a Jeep Wrangler and a LR Defender... Step 1: Assess your lifestyle and what you need your vehicle to do Step 2: Examine/test drive each vehicle thoroughly Step 3: Buy a Toyota. I'm JK ya'll both of these are sick vehicles and would be awesome to own. My only concern is reliability but seems that the Wrangler is more rock crawling/trail oriented and the LR defender is more built for overlanding so depends mostly on what kind of terrain you see in your area and what your lifestyle is. Great review.
Let's be honest here it doesn't matter how hard land rover try to convince about new defender's capabilities it cannot be compared with old Defender and the wrangler. The new defender sits on a totally different category, like ready to off-road for noobies kinda thing, once over it off roaders need to upgrade or change parts according to their preference you just cannot do that with the new defender. Period.
"only one" and yet oddly enough there are quite a few vehicles in this category, such as Toyota Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols, Fiat Campanglo , Iveco Massif, Suzuki Jimny, MB Gwagen, etc..
This has got to be one of the worst comparison vids I have seen , the biased towards Jeep in this is unbelievable, other than being able to potentially do one particular trail over the Defender, the defender is superior in every other aspect , space ,comfort, passenger safety, towing ,technology ,engine, road driving .
Another video ripping on Land Rover, wow. I have been on the trail enough in my LR3 and never a failure, but guess what, I've also never seem a Jeep with suspension failure where the driver hopped out with parts and all the tools to fix it. It's a huge farce this whole, "you can fix it in the field". Comments, yeah if you're carrying a drive shaft with you, a metal shop and a lift... Ok.
when did she rip on the defender? i heard many compliments about it. she has driven both vehicles, including the jeep, from the factory, on the rubicon trail. do you think land rover will allow her to take a stock defender on the rubicon trail. of course they wont. so then why are you bashing her for giving an honest assessment? have you driven a new defender? have you driven a new jeep rubicon across the rubicon trail? no you havent
Actually many 4wd's are designed to flex and use the appropriate metal. In fact fitting external roll bars to a flex designed vehicle reduces Thier flex and therefore Thier ability. Flex veichels include Toyota Hilux and landcruiser. Try saying they don't work or last. Lol.
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Wildly incompetent comparison. The Defender P400 motor is vastly superior to anything that goes in the Jeep. You don’t even mention the spectacular LR “clear sight” technology. Serious towing capacity. Supreme comfort. Superior geometry. Defender is a vastly superior vehicle in almost every possible way.
Emme Hall is an expert in the auto industry. I checked online for a highly recommended Wrangler Rubicon. What a great value. Land Rover should have brought one Rubicon along on the expedition in Namibia. All modern cars have computers and sensors which will trigger faults under severe conditions (including modern Jeeps). If Emme had listened to the entire debriefing, the Defender has OTA diagnostics and electronics updating of all computer modules on-board. Slashgear covers the OTA dedicated eSim and SOTA design for the Land Rover Defender. 2020 WRANGLER UNLIMITED RUBICON 4X4 - TOTAL PRICE: * $59,440 VIN: 1C4-HJXFN2LW-266150 2.0L Turbo eTorque Engine - Country of origin: Italy Parts Content Breakdown: USA / Canada: 60%, Mexico: 20%, Italy: 15-20% Safety Overall Vehicle Score: Not Rated Side Crash , Front seat, Rear seat Score: Not Rated Rollover Rating: 3 - Stars
This is my first time coming across your content and must say that this was a great review. It touched on all the points that matter, IMO. I'm Jeep owner (2015 JKU, AEV 3.5" lift, Yukon 4.88 gears, 35" tires, etc.), but I also have fantasies of owning an old school Defender. This new Defender is attractive in its own right and while the sticker price has me shook, I would consider it for a jaunt down through Mexico and Central America. I think Land Rover made some compelling design choices and I look forward to seeing how owners put them to use.
Old school defender is great but it is not the same as a Jeep Wrangler as in it would not be for the most hardcore off roading driving. a 90 defender would be the closest thing to a Wrangler.
Correction- a 2 in lift will be no problem on a Defender. I know bc it is basically an updated LR4 which I own and have 2.5 in Johnson Rods lift. That will allow probably up to about 32.5 in mudders on the 18s. This is more than adequate for an indy sus veh- remember you don’t need to lift them as much to put as big tires on bc you don’t have the low hanging pumpkin of a solid axle veh which you need to lift.
The Wrangler Rubicon is a great vehicle for navigating over boulders and Moab BUT on all other real-world metrics the Wrangler is quite limited and these sort of comparisons are weak journalism. We never see statistically sound numbers for how many owners (not journalist) take a new $60K vehicle off-road navigating boulders and mud bogs. I see plenty of LR Discovery and Range Rovers overlanding and towing. 1) Which vehicle would you want to put your family in on a cross country trip? 2) Which vehicle would fare better in an offset crash with another vehicle? 3) Which vehicle has better NVH performance? 4) Which vehicle is the better all-rounder? 5) Which vehicle has better payload and tow ratings? The new Defender is not the old Defender and thank god for that as that market is very small and not very profitable unless you are going to produce a low volume expensive vehicle (G-Class). Auto manufacturers have to be careful and not listen to the loudest voices on forums because what people say they want and what they actually will buy do not always align. The Jeep Gladiator sales have not lived up to expectations -at all despite decades of big mouths claiming they would buy it if Jeep built it. There is a limited market for a Gladiator and the same holds true for the vintage Defender. The new Defender is what the current Discovery should have been but the noise for 7- adult seats and 20 cup holders drowned out reality for LR (Subaru Ascent anyone?) marketing.
If you're getting into some tough terrain for sure you want to have the Jeep, old school real offroad car you can trust or the real Defender, the 110 and not an expsive suv.
The Jeep can be modified to be an extremely capable off road vehicle, with a few mods like a lift and larger tires the Jeep can drive the king of the hammers race, the Land Rover will never be capable of even doing one lap on that difficult course, if one doesn’t go,off road the land rover is the better choice, im happy to see that you haven’t sold out like so many automotive journalists, the Jeep is way more capable hands down, traction control is never as good as a real locker when traction is limited and the terrain is steep.
JLR- Please give her a Defender to hit the Rubicon Trail. My LR4 has never not been able to go where stock Rubicons can. Rubicons with 4 in lifts and 35s-yes. But not stock. Given that a current LR4 has aftermarket rock rails available and you can put a 2.5 in lift kit to fit 32.5 in mudders on 18s, and that the new Defender has the same underpinnings (just updated) as an LR4, I’d also love to see one so modified.
defender also has diesel options, although possibly not available in the USA and given that the Defender will seldom be bought for off road use, i only see benefits for the independent suspension, monocoque shell and air suspension set up.
A lot of passionate comments, which muddied the water even further for me, as I am in neither LR or Jeep camp. It seems that both vehicles perform really well off-road. My question, if things go really wrong (roll over, accident), be it on or off-road, which vehicle is more likely to give you the ability to walk away in 1 piece?
Biased Roadshow reporter: The Land Rover Defender is better than the Jeep Wrangler in every single way. But I'm going to pretend I know what I'm talking about and jump on the bandwagon by saying I prefer the ancient technology of body on chassis.
Biased for certain. Nothing was mentioned about construction metals or that there are no huge modifications needed to tackle tough terrain, unlike a Jeep.
This is like when cigarette companies did a study on smoking and found no risks involved. You can't own a Jeep then declare it's better than a Defender. Are we a joke to you?!!
@@jessewoody5772 oh I don't care which car can do what. Each one has it's good and bads just like anything else. I'm saying that this is not an unbiased review. She has already made her choice with the Jeep. But to chime in on the difference. The new defender is more of a long haul overland style 4x4 because it's more comfortable. The Jeep is a rock crawling feel the terrain kind of a vehicle. To each their own. Keep in mind that while the Wrangler was winning over America the defender was exploring the rest of the world.
JLR already tested the new Defender with 35's knowing people are going to upgrade the wheels/tires. Also all of the electrical connectors are IP67 rated - so as not to let much smoke out.
Not exactly true, but different factors come into play. I’m considering a Defender vs a Rubicon XR, but it’s part of a complete new off-road setup. Either a silver Defender and I keep my current Trailer, or a white Rubicon and get a matching Patriot X1. My evaluation is more the whole rig as a unit, one person setup, flexibility, capability, not just the tow vehicle alone. That being said, you do have a point.
I’m a Brit , i’l take the Wrangler for off-road , if I’m roading I will take the better looking sister Disco 5 !... or just wait for the INEOS Grenadier
i agree. the new ineos is what land rover should have done. for major off roading, the jeep is the best. for long overlanding, i will choose the ineos, or an old style defender.
I think it's hilarious how the vast majority of Wrangler owners never, or almost never take it off the tarmac, and it's on the tarmac where it's among the worst vehicles you can buy.
"Hard to put a 2 inch lift on a Defender." Step out of Wrangler Walmart parking lot posing world for a second and think; "What is my viewer's intended purpose for the vehicle?" Please also, think; "Why are viewers actually watching my videos?" I mean, you are purportedly providing a comparison review between the Defender and the Rubicon to help someone pick which is the right one for them. Or, are you proving that your preference for the Rubicon is correct? I can't really tell, but it seems to be the latter. My take away from your review is that if one gets one's kicks by modifying a vehicle, lifting it, changing gearing, taking doors off, adding lots of LED lights, adding jerry cans and leaving them eternally empty, going rock crawling on weekends, and then running around the suburbs and flexing their unique creation, while seeing about 8 other similarly PIMPED Rubicons at McDonalds, then Rubicon wins, hands down. Rubicon is cheaper to start with, easier to find, cheaper to modify, cheaper to maintain, and cheaper to fix when you bash a body panel rock crawling when you forced the vehicle into a rock crawl situation for fun. If one one just spent $50k on a Defender with air suspension that gives you an extra 5 inches at the push of a button, and can also can drop the vehicle height 1.6 inches at the push of the same button, it is the height of stupidity to void the warranty to put on a 2 inch lift. (for the record, I don't like air suspensions either, but spending more money to lift 2 inches to put bigger tires for more ground clearance seems to be an attempt to turn the Defender into an American Jeep-style Rock Crawler, and not the more versatile overland Defender. Sometimes increasing vehicle height makes the path impassible due to overhead tree branches etc.) I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't own a Wrangler or a Defender. I watched your review hoping to see which would be better to purchase. Your quoted geometry numbers state Defender offers 5.4 inches more wading depth than Rubicon, more ground clearance, better break over and departure, but less approach angle. Cars and 4x4s are not spreadsheet comparisons. If they were, all we would need is the manufacturer's specs. So, we watch videos and read reviews by auto journalists and bloggers to get their takes. You mentioned that the Defender is far more comfortable, tows more, and carries more payload. It seems from your comparison and the many other comparisons between these two vehicles that the Jeep Rubicon is the better platform for an extreme modified 4X4 project, or dedicated rock crawler. Nevertheless, it seems that if I'm not into weekend rock crawling but more into loading up the family for a weekend camping trip or an extended "overlanding" experience, that the Defender is the way to go. Let's say I'm 40 something, with a dog and kids and a wife. I want to have a nearly unstoppable 4x4 off the showroom floor. I don't want it to look like the bagger at the grocery store's 4x4, and I want it to be able to tow, haul, and hold more stuff than a Prius. You're saying, go with the Defender, aren't you?
The new Defender is more road and overlanding oriented with comfort and luxury and Rubicon is more off road oriented. If you want to travel 2 weeks in Africa it will be light years apart to a 2 day Rubicon Trail in term of car spec and preparation (extra fuel, extra water, roof top tent and luggage vs. 40" tires, articulation and angles). In the end it is a problem of what you intend to do with your car, you can have a lot of fun in the woods with a Suzuki Jimny or a Polaris RZR for less than 1/4 budget or you can completely salvage, repair and modify an old Toyota Land Cruiser (60, 70, 80 or 105) and still have some money left in your pocket to spend on the trail.
The Wrangler is a proper hardcore off road vehicle that can be used for rock crawling and no amount of your talk of outdated will change that fact. The new defender is not a real defender and will not be considered as such by real men. If you are into soya milk at the bar then the new fake defender is the one for you.
Four key points in favor of the Jeep. 1. Land Rovers horrible reputation for reliability. 2. Land Rovers horrible reputation for very high service costs. 3. Jeep has a massive 3rd party modification infrastructure. 4. Jeep is American made, for me that’s a huge deal. I’ve owned an early Porsche Cayenne S (for 9 years) a BMW X3 (for 5 years) an now a 2018 Rubicon Unlimited for just over 2 years. Is the Jeep the better all around vehicle, no. Do I throughly enjoy getting in it every morning, yes. The Jeep is a compromise, it’s an incredibly fun set of trade offs.
i heard her giving much praise to the defender. so why make such a false accusation. she is the one who has driven both vehicles off road. have you driven both vehicles off road? no, so then why slander her as if she were a liar. dude, you should apologize and delete your comment
It only takes to seconds to assess that the new defender is not a real defender. Anybody with eyesight can see that anybody who is a metrosexual will not see it.
@@bighands69 its shocking how people can fall for this vehicle just because it says defender. theres nothing defender about it except the badge. i think the new bronco is more like the old defender than this fake defender which i have dubbed the land rover pretender
I feel like the Wrangler has more focus on rock crawling and things that require massive amounts of articulation, something you drive for short periods of time. The new Defender seems a bit more practical and can cover a wider range of duties. That being said, LR is getting my money. I know it's a small thing but as a dog owner, the two stage rear hatch opening of the Wrangler drives me nuts. All I had to see was the Defender rear door opening, sold. I know it's silly to spend an extra 30k over nit-picky things like how a door opens but I would never stop thinking about it.
Simple, si quieres pasar en el servicio técnico entonces compra el defender. Si quieres disfrutar un 4x4 a prueba de todo y jamaa pisar un servicio técnico, compra un Wrangler
The defender unibody frame is not an off road Car. It's a perfect suv for Sunday shopping. If you make a serious off road with an unibody frame at the end you can't open The doors because deformed. There is a reason if the real off road have all a body on frame structure.
l had the choice of both, in the end l went for the Defender because there's a Commercial version and the figures stacked up better for my business. l would happily own either vehicle, l love my Defender but also love the Wrangler in LWB l would imagine the Wrangler will be more reliable, although nothing has gone wrong with the Defender since l got it.
Your landrover is better than the new one, if the new one has computer issues or sensor issues far in the trail good luck getting it out without a big bill or headache. But your rig looks great, I’m old school simple, less computers solid axles. 32 inch tires is nice size not to big and you learn how to drive better than with big tires, I did the mohab top of the world, hells revenge, fins and things with 31” tires made it 1/4 of the way I blew my spider gears on the Dana 35.
@@williamwilde9867 I am pretty sure LR have ironed out all the electronic bugs .Mechanically LRs have always been reliable apart from Axles,but they only take half hour to replace.Same as air struts on LR3 very easy to replace on the trail.Electronics are easy and cheap as well if one can pinpoint ,but generally electronics have never held me to bay in the bush only time lol
laurence mccarthy I’ve had close call with computers with engine shutting off almost killed me, I don’t trust a vehicle with lots of computers. And the diagnostic costs. But if you love your LR3 and it works for you that’s great, I’m just old school with one computer only.I really like the old school defender 90
@@williamwilde9867 well i am old school as well 71 yo and had dozens of LR;s Jeeps Toyota Nissan to name a few .The disco 3 has won over every 4x4 i have ever owned in every aspect and i can tell you i have done A LOT of 4xwheeling
The breakover angle is a big deal in the defender... It's probably going to take a 3 inch lift and some 35s or better to hit a 28 breakover on a 4 door Wrangler. I'm there ;-). 2 inch lift and modest tire upgrade will get you to 28° breakover with the Cherokee Trailhawk.
Telling good jokes isn't her calling but I appreciate the negative of the Defender. I learned a lot from this video, while other channels sucked off the Defender to please advertisers. If I could have one, the Defender is classier.
I really have to appreciate you to presenting every old school disadvantage of Jeep as a feature!
Biased
The Land Rover Defender 110 is My Pick for 2020 SUV of the Year.
maybe drive one and plenty of others suv`s before making that assessment
@@healthyamerican Believe What Ever You Want. You Work Your Side of the Street And I'll Mine.
@@healthyamerican @healthyamerican you're very against LRs but truth is, this defender is completely revolutionary and changing the off road game. By far the best off roader of the modern era
@@darrenrider5676 not the best but very good(I own a LR4 and go off-road with it)
She did her best not to show a bias, no one noticed :)
If you’re a Land Rover fan (I am) it’s hard not to see the bias in this review. Like others have said, it really is like comparing apples to oranges. The Defender is definitely a closer comparison to a Wrangler than other options in the LR lineup, but they really are meant for different things. The Wrangler is more of a dedicated off-roader, though I’m not sure if it’s much better in it’s stock setup. Personally I’d go with the Defender as a better combination of robustness, comfort and utility for expeditions requiring a significant amount of off road but not rock crawling. I’ve always liked Jeeps, but having ridden in a couple Wranglers, they typically feel hard, cheap and cramped. They have improved in recent years, but once you’ve ridden in a LR and seen how capable AND comfortable it is, it’s hard to consider a Wrangler. Also, I’m not sure about the Defender, but I know with the LR3 and LR4 raising the suspension is as easy as a set of
I would compare defender with grand Cherokee trailhawk
They are just different. Each has strengths with few weaknesses. Both are amazing.
Maybe for the United States its jeep is better but for the rest of the world it is undoubtedly the land rover.. It is a guaranteed adventure of prestige and a legend
perhaps the old land rovers of yesterday were as you say. land rover used to release their new vehicles by having camel trophy events. they dont do that anymore, because their vehicles are no longer serious off road vehicles. now they drive them through water puddles to make a splash, drive across sand, and two inches of snow. they are not what they once were. i thought you already knew that. by the way, it was jeep that won WWII, not land rover
Defrnder has good off road capability with its terrain response all terrain progresa control and hill discent conttrol.Its better than wrangler and g class
Shoddy quality and 1 star safety rating on that wrangler. It may work off road but at a huge compromise everywhere else. The defender is actually innovative and not copying an outdated design
The defender it's a suv with an unibody frame not exatly fit for off-road. The off road cars has body on frame to resist distorison.
Just did papers to buy a 2020 Wrangler. Not the best an un-apologic about it.
she gave plenty of compliments to the defender, but it want enough for you, because you know that no matter how hard land rover tries, it will never follow a jeep off road. so you want to slander jeep any way you can. sad
Lady, I appreciate you trying so hard to not let your bias seep in 😅😅
Very careful
The preference was clear within the first 60s didn’t watch anymore. She prefers the Jeep. Save yourself time and move on.
hahaha.
@@AndyWinskill Hey, bud. A lot of people worldwide also prefer the Jeep. Greetings from Costa Rica.
Every time the LR came first there was a but. Truth be told one is an over lander and the other is so uncomfortable your other choice must be a wagon. And yes the LR would do the Rubicon trail!
How much is Jeep paying you to shill their antiquated technology? Every point you make is directed towards positive for Jeep and not so much for Defender. (BTW, I am not a Defender fanboy, just someone who can spot a shill miles away.) BIG AZZED THUMBS DOWN.
your comment makes no sense. lets talk about the rubicon trail. the jeep which you called antiquated technology, can go across the rubicon trail, straight off the showroom floor. lets see the high tech land rover go across the rubicon. she drove both vehicles off road, including the jeep across the rubicon. how can you tell her she is biased when you havent done what she has done?
Well, moron RustyTrombone, if you watch any video comparison between the two vehicles, you will plainly see that the Jeep's mechanical off-road hardware and mechanical-based approaches, clearly annihilates the software-dominant (less hardware-based approach) of the Land Rover. What a buffoon you are. Jeep simply wins.
I would love to see you drive a new defender on the Rubicon trail.
I just think defender will not make it, but I would be surprised if does make without breaking
At least one experienced off road expert on this Namibia drive stated that the Defender could do the Rubicon... but, that this type of rock crawl is better done by a Jeep. The Defender is not intended to compete with Wrangler as an extreme rock crawler, but more for the multi day overland trips as they do in Australia and Africa.
And i've had 8 and never been let down once - you must be incredibly unlucky.
Bloody hell mate Mitzi's will do the Rubicon even a Lada LOL
@@cmacd8879 Check out Orkney 90 on you tube Defender v Jeep that will change you mind on LR's
Let's face it: whichever you buy, it'll be on the road most of the time. The defender is more than capable enough off road and 100000x more comfortable according in every setting according to every single review I've seen. I'm sold.
If air suspension bothers you (it does come without), get the 90 with springs. Props to LR for trying something new.
I mean, if you want a sore arse at the end of the day, you may as well buy a pickup for half the price!
Plus the Defender is safer whereas the Wrangler scored 1 out of 5 in euro ncap
@@CarsofGlasgow - yes meanwhile the original Defender would score approximately -8 stars... something the angry mob will never admit lol.
@Bill It's my understanding all Defenders only come with air suspension. Looking at the configurator online, there is no option for springs.
@@df3555 there are springs available on the base model
@@df3555 coils are option on the 90 only
It's easy, do you need to be Wrangled or Defended?
A lady needs both
Defended, thanks.
The Defender is a street SUV that can confidently go off road whereas the Rubicon is an off road SUV that can go on road.
Dave Taylor the Jeep can go on road but that’s just a technicality. Not that is made for it.
Correct, very well put.
Both are half empty and half full.
I think the Defender is more of a overlander, with pretty decent on-road ability and damn good off-road ability. On pure off-roading like the rock-crawling that Jeeps in USA often do, you would not want it for a 3 day jaunt through the wilds of Namibia. JLR has very smartly chosen its test drive location and style, because it truly shows the home terrain of the Defender.
And if you honestly wanted a street SUV that can go off road, you should probably pick the Discovery and not the Defender.
Bais from an American journalist towards an American shitbox. What a shock
Only thing missing from this review was a banjo.
Despite your obvious Wrangler bias you found it hard to come up with anything to criticize the Defender. Having watched several Defender reviews now I’m dying to get one. It’s a bit if an apples to oranges comparison between the Wrangler and the Defender. The Defender should be compared with the G Wagen.
Vic Mark agreed
So true.
Agreed
your comment is such hypocrisy. you said she was biased but then pointed out she couldnt find faults with the defender. she is the one who drove both vehicles off road, while you were at home watching youtube..yet you are making false accusations about her. what a shame
healthyamerican yes dum dum did you not notice the use of the word “despite?”
A three day trip in Africa with a Defender? Sounds like a blast.
Yeah, Land ROver invited many journalists to the event!
Surprised it lasted for 3 days without breaking down or breaking something. In Africa Land Cruiser is the favoured vehicle.
Having worked in an off-road shop, the Jeep definitely has an aftermarket advantages, I mean they might as well be made of Lego, but I've seen the darker side of Jeep too, and that is reliability. I know we're talking about land rover here, but really and seriously the Jeep has many if not all of the same issues that most people think Land Rover has as well as some that are completely unique to it. Bent axles, broken transfer cases, blown up engines, destroyed transmissions, and don't forget death wobble, are but of a few of the common things we saw, not even counting all the daily issues that pop up on them. I've had two V8 series II Discovery's, probably the most known for being unreliable, and yes they had their issues but one had over 400,000km on it and had never been apart, it did have some really "interesting" electrical issues, and the other one had the three amigos thing but I wheeled them hard and I never had to hike out of anywhere which is more than I can say for the Jeeps that were following. So I think I will stick with my "unreliable" Land Rovers
If you live in America the Jeep is far easier to access for parts. If you are doing hardcore off road you will take damage no matter what you drive.
And because you are pushing them in rough terrain wear and tear is going to happen. I use a defender, toyota, and
F-150 on my farm and they all take damage if being pushed and roughed around.
The Jeep sounds very old school,living in the past just like the imperial measurements your using
Until you look at the new Grenadier.
Solid axles, frame on body, diff locks, need I go on?
what is your goal...to conquer a trail? if you want to conquer the toughest trail, then its the rubicon. so then why complain
@@healthyamerican you're very against LRs but truth is, this defender is completely revolutionary and changing the off road game. By far the best off roader of the modern era
You’re
The new defender is a yummy mummy vehicle so they can drop the kids to soccer practice and drive on the field with the balls and cones if they are a control freak.
The people that think Jeeps are great will keep buying Jeeps. The Defender is not really in any competition with this vehicle.
Of course the defender is an on road vehicle first, its main market is blonde bimbos and accountants.
The people that think Defenders are great will keep buying Defenders. The Jeep is not really in any competition with this vehicle.
@@vivalasvegas702 I totally agree witch makes this video kind of pointless.
Rubbish. I know several Jeep owners who love the off road capability, but hate the on road driving, the cramped space, and have had mechanical gremlins too. Some of them will easily be tempted to try the Defender with far better comfort, easy long range cruising to get to the off road places, more space, higher payload.... and yes they will give up maybe 10-15% extreme rock crawling ability, that most never use. At least here, the base defender overlaps with higher end Wranglers, so the prices aren't different enough for many to not shop both.
@@yanni2737 Thats why one see's heaps of Jeeps painted PINK 111
These are not adversarial products. The new Defender I have on order is my third modern LR product, and I am very pleased with each of them. I understand and support the design trade-offs made for the value provided, at the time they were designed and sold.
I have friends who own Jeeps, and they are happy with the design trade-offs made by Jeep. Neither I nor they would switch, because what we desire to accomplish when we go off-road is very different.
The more interesting comparison for the Defender, I think, will be Toyota 4X products (particularly since both are global). Again, design trade-offs are made by Toyota for value delivered, different than either Jeep or LR. Personally, I have never enjoyed the driving experience of a Toyota, whatsover. But, many value their reliability above all else, and by measure, those folks are entirely correct ... versus either Jeeps or JLR.
Happy Motoring !!
I have spent time in both. Although they may be close for offroading the Defender far exceeds the Jeep for comfort, technology, etc for regular driving.
but what really matters is which one can go the furthest on the trail. so then what is your goal, to have luxury or to conquer any trail??
@@healthyamerican True, however unless you live in the wilderness, 99% of owners will use this vehicle predominantly on paved roads.
So here’s my take on the Defender- it’s not a Defender at all, it’s a relaunch of the Discovery. Here’s my reasoning:
1. The Disco was launched as a near luxury offroad vehicle, slotted to fit between the purely rugged but lack of creature comfort Defender and the superbly apportioned but extremely pricey Range Rover. A true allrounder, something you take the kids to school with, go shopping with, tow your boat with, go for a road trip in comfort with, or go offroading with. Look at the market segment the new Defender occupies- it is that same segment. While there may be no more rugged and spartan vehicle the LR family on the one side of it, the market segment is the same as that occupied by the Disco 1 and really all Discos (and LR3 and LR4) here in the States.
2. Let’s look at the underpinnings of the vehicle- namely the suspension and four wheel drive system. First, the suspension. It is the same air suspension that LR has been using in the Disco 3 and 4 now for like 15 years. While initially the Disco 3s had some issues with them, I have not heard of substantial issues with the units in the Disco 4s. All air sus is not created equal, and the reason Discos are not harsh because they don’t use all of their extension in their offroad settings- there is more to be accessed should you get high centered and also to allow for articulation. It is also why you can lift them another 2 inches to fit 33s on 18 in wheels using Johnson Rods- even though you are taking up 2 more inches of travel, there is still plenty to spare to allow for articulation. Also, the air sus in the Discos works just like the new Defender in that when one wheel rises it send extra air to the other wheel to push it down. It is a very good system that works well offroad- as good as a solid axle- no, but plenty good for what 90% of people are going to be doing offroad. Second, the four wheel drive system. Again it is the same terrain response that has been used since in the Disco 3 and 4s. It is a phenomenal system- imo the best out there of any of the systems that aren’t just traditional front, rear and center lockers. Ford basically uses it in it’s vehicles (insert Raptor here), as they took it with them after selling off JLR. It has high and low range with a very good low crawl ratio. The terrain response adjusts throttle tip in, steering wheel sensitivity, and height, as well delivering power to the wheels in a capacity designed for the certain types of terrain. The Disco 3 and 4s also had the optional locking rear and center diffs called the Heavy Duty (HD) package, just like the new Defender.
3. Cameras, cameras and more cameras- yup, you guessed it, just like the Disco 4.
4. Towing and cargo capacity- Disco 4- 7,716 lbs. New Defender- 7,716 to 8,201 lbs.
5. So the basic underpinnings are an LR4. So now what does it take from the Disco 1 and 2? How about the swinging rear door with mounted spare tire. This wasn’t unique to the Defender, it was on the Disco 1 and 2 also. And the alpine windows- everyone is talking about how cool a desig touch from the old Defender they are- well they were also in the Disco.
So how good will this new Defender be? Well I think that depends on what one wants to with it. If you plan to go rock bashing and playing on black diamond gnarly trails in offroad parks, this isn’t the veh I would recommend. Then you want solid axles, coils springs, disconnecting sway bars, and traditional front and rear lockers (manual preferably bc I have seen plenty of electronic ones fail). If you plan to go overlanding or otherwise driving for several days out in remote stretches where there may be no help for days, then this is not the vehicle I would recommend. I would recommend something more mechanical so that, when it breaks, you can repair it on the spot. Oh, and bring spare parts. I love when people brag about the superiority of mechanical offroaders and then I run across them broken down on the trail and they can’t fix themselves bc they don’t have the parts or parts to improvise. But if you want an all around veh- one that will be good on road, especially on long road trips, one that can tow a 5000-7000 pound trailer, and one that can offroad on moderate trails (blues and some more mellow blacks, beaches, desert) and you are going out not too far from civilization- say days trips up to a long weekend or so, then the Defender will be a great vehicle for that. It is definitely a more well rounded vehicle than a solid front and rear axle veh, will tow more than most offroaders (so if that’s a necessary criteria it will exempt vehicles like the Jeep Wrangler from your options and probably put you in half ton truck territory), yet will still do what probably 95% of people do offroad with their dailies. So many rigs I see on the same trails I’m on doing the same features as me with my LR4 are overbuilt. I mean you don’t need 37s and solid axles to drive to your favorite surfing or surf fishing spot on the beach, or do any of the green and blue trails. And let’s face it- a lot of that is for the look, not the necessity. And if it makes you feel better, take the Defender name off the front and put on Land Rover and just tell yourself you got the new Disco, because in reality that’s what it is anyway.
If you’re going to buy one of these just keep in mind, if you’re going to actually use it for what it’s made for (going off road) you WILL break something at some point and wow that defender looks expensive to maintain. But if you’re gonna keep it on safe fire trails or maybe some snow sure go with the rover. Any real rock crawling or difficult trails go wrangler.
How to choose between a Jeep Wrangler and a LR Defender...
Step 1: Assess your lifestyle and what you need your vehicle to do
Step 2: Examine/test drive each vehicle thoroughly
Step 3: Buy a Toyota.
I'm JK ya'll both of these are sick vehicles and would be awesome to own. My only concern is reliability but seems that the Wrangler is more rock crawling/trail oriented and the LR defender is more built for overlanding so depends mostly on what kind of terrain you see in your area and what your lifestyle is. Great review.
Let's be honest here it doesn't matter how hard land rover try to convince about new defender's capabilities it cannot be compared with old Defender and the wrangler. The new defender sits on a totally different category, like ready to off-road for noobies kinda thing, once over it off roaders need to upgrade or change parts according to their preference you just cannot do that with the new defender. Period.
Good theoretical comparison of specs. But it would be great to see a practical test pitting them against each other.
Yes. Gotta wait a few months for that
Practical terms the wrangler can be used in the most extreme hardcore off road the new defender cannot.
"only one" and yet oddly enough there are quite a few vehicles in this category, such as Toyota Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols, Fiat Campanglo , Iveco Massif, Suzuki Jimny, MB Gwagen, etc..
hi 1st time viewing your channel , I love it. your well spoken ,clear sounding and very enjoyable to listen to. thanks for your time.
Wrangler: poor crash test result
Defender: it's LR
Bronco: sorry for being late to the party....
This has got to be one of the worst comparison vids I have seen , the biased towards Jeep in this is unbelievable, other than being able to potentially do one particular trail over the Defender, the defender is superior in every other aspect , space ,comfort, passenger safety, towing ,technology ,engine, road driving .
Reviewer couldn't be any more biased towards the wrangler
she`s the one who drove both vehicles off road. is she not allowed to give her review without being called biased?
Another video ripping on Land Rover, wow. I have been on the trail enough in my LR3 and never a failure, but guess what, I've also never seem a Jeep with suspension failure where the driver hopped out with parts and all the tools to fix it. It's a huge farce this whole, "you can fix it in the field". Comments, yeah if you're carrying a drive shaft with you, a metal shop and a lift... Ok.
when did she rip on the defender? i heard many compliments about it. she has driven both vehicles, including the jeep, from the factory, on the rubicon trail. do you think land rover will allow her to take a stock defender on the rubicon trail. of course they wont. so then why are you bashing her for giving an honest assessment? have you driven a new defender? have you driven a new jeep rubicon across the rubicon trail? no you havent
I’m defender all day long but if I wanted to get an American off-roader I would buy and 06 Alpha H1 and be done with it
Frame twist is a flaw, not a feature
Just like engine and exhaust noise
Actually many 4wd's are designed to flex and use the appropriate metal. In fact fitting external roll bars to a flex designed vehicle reduces Thier flex and therefore Thier ability. Flex veichels include Toyota Hilux and landcruiser. Try saying they don't work or last. Lol.
Flaw?? You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about.
Almost every person compares the factory defender to a heavily modified 4x4, nice to see it compared to another factory car
Very true
I think the Defender is infinitely cooler!
Rubicon is WAY cooler...
Ya'll are children.
LR all day long.
If you want to be driving a loaner 3 months a year while it's being repaired, sure.
For getting groceries the Defender totally crushes!
Badass.
all day in the shop
@@rhull3939 same for jeep
except on the rubicon trail, where land rover would never dare
Great video. Jeep is the win for me. The defender used to be a worthy competitor but now you have to compare it to a grand Cherokee
Спасибо ! Недавно провёл тест - драйв на 2020 Land Rover Defender 110. Впечатления самые лучшие ! Англичане опередили в этом классе и немцев и японцев Крутой автомобиль !
Wildly incompetent comparison. The Defender P400 motor is vastly superior to anything that goes in the Jeep. You don’t even mention the spectacular LR “clear sight” technology. Serious towing capacity. Supreme comfort. Superior geometry. Defender is a vastly superior vehicle in almost every possible way.
No, it doesn't have that highly sought after twisty, flexible frame. Who doesn't want their vehicle frame to twist? Lol
Not to mention the suspension is computed to act as a live axle
@@tenncutt yayyy all that welding from cracked chassis LOL
Emme Hall is an expert in the auto industry. I checked online for a highly recommended Wrangler Rubicon. What a great value. Land Rover should have brought one Rubicon along on the expedition in Namibia. All modern cars have computers and sensors which will trigger faults under severe conditions (including modern Jeeps). If Emme had listened to the entire debriefing, the Defender has OTA diagnostics and electronics updating of all computer modules on-board. Slashgear covers the OTA dedicated eSim and SOTA design for the Land Rover Defender.
2020 WRANGLER UNLIMITED RUBICON 4X4 - TOTAL PRICE: * $59,440
VIN: 1C4-HJXFN2LW-266150
2.0L Turbo eTorque Engine - Country of origin: Italy
Parts Content Breakdown: USA / Canada: 60%, Mexico: 20%, Italy: 15-20%
Safety
Overall Vehicle Score: Not Rated
Side Crash
, Front seat, Rear seat Score:
Not Rated
Rollover Rating: 3 - Stars
Check back in 3 - 5 years. The LR will depreciate 50%. The Jeep maybe 10 - 20%.
This is my first time coming across your content and must say that this was a great review. It touched on all the points that matter, IMO. I'm Jeep owner (2015 JKU, AEV 3.5" lift, Yukon 4.88 gears, 35" tires, etc.), but I also have fantasies of owning an old school Defender. This new Defender is attractive in its own right and while the sticker price has me shook, I would consider it for a jaunt down through Mexico and Central America. I think Land Rover made some compelling design choices and I look forward to seeing how owners put them to use.
Old school defender is great but it is not the same as a Jeep Wrangler as in it would not be for the most hardcore off roading driving.
a 90 defender would be the closest thing to a Wrangler.
Correction- a 2 in lift will be no problem on a Defender. I know bc it is basically an updated LR4 which I own and have 2.5 in Johnson Rods lift. That will allow probably up to about 32.5 in mudders on the 18s. This is more than adequate for an indy sus veh- remember you don’t need to lift them as much to put as big tires on bc you don’t have the low hanging pumpkin of a solid axle veh which you need to lift.
It comes stock with 32’s. Land Rover said with a 1” lift that 35’s fit.
The Wrangler Rubicon is a great vehicle for navigating over boulders and Moab BUT on all other real-world metrics the Wrangler is quite limited and these sort of comparisons are weak journalism. We never see statistically sound numbers for how many owners (not journalist) take a new $60K vehicle off-road navigating boulders and mud bogs. I see plenty of LR Discovery and Range Rovers overlanding and towing.
1) Which vehicle would you want to put your family in on a cross country trip?
2) Which vehicle would fare better in an offset crash with another vehicle?
3) Which vehicle has better NVH performance?
4) Which vehicle is the better all-rounder?
5) Which vehicle has better payload and tow ratings?
The new Defender is not the old Defender and thank god for that as that market is very small and not very profitable unless you are going to produce a low volume expensive vehicle (G-Class). Auto manufacturers have to be careful and not listen to the loudest voices on forums because what people say they want and what they actually will buy do not always align. The Jeep Gladiator sales have not lived up to expectations -at all despite decades of big mouths claiming they would buy it if Jeep built it. There is a limited market for a Gladiator and the same holds true for the vintage Defender. The new Defender is what the current Discovery should have been but the noise for 7- adult seats and 20 cup holders drowned out reality for LR (Subaru Ascent anyone?) marketing.
If you're getting into some tough terrain for sure you want to have the Jeep, old school real offroad car you can trust or the real Defender, the 110 and not an expsive suv.
If you're seen the crash test results for the wrangler you will NEVER buy one. Horrendously unsafe
Yes, and the only winner is the new Ford Bronco!
I personally don’t like the design of the new defender. Much prefer the older one though would prefer a wrangler any day
The Jeep can be modified to be an extremely capable off road vehicle, with a few mods like a lift and larger tires the Jeep can drive the king of the hammers race, the Land Rover will never be capable of even doing one lap on that difficult course, if one doesn’t go,off road the land rover is the better choice, im happy to see that you haven’t sold out like so many automotive journalists, the Jeep is way more capable hands down, traction control is never as good as a real locker when traction is limited and the terrain is steep.
Land cruiser guy here. Your comparison of wrangler with defender is funny. That wrangler until you mod to its root it is going nowhere.
JLR- Please give her a Defender to hit the Rubicon Trail. My LR4 has never not been able to go where stock Rubicons can. Rubicons with 4 in lifts and 35s-yes. But not stock.
Given that a current LR4 has aftermarket rock rails available and you can put a 2.5 in lift kit to fit 32.5 in mudders on 18s, and that the new Defender has the same underpinnings (just updated) as an LR4, I’d also love to see one so modified.
defender also has diesel options, although possibly not available in the USA
and given that the Defender will seldom be bought for off road use, i only see benefits for the independent suspension, monocoque shell and air suspension set up.
Awesome content Emmy! Love the format!
For my money it would have to be the Defender, I would NEVER consider or spend my money on any American car.
lol, one of the stupidest things I've ever listened lmao. Landrover's weak built quality is beyond any American car especially Wrangler
@@dexterrr9163 All American cars are trash, I would much rather take my chances with an European vehicle than an American one.
The defender is king, there’s no comparison 💯
@miyahtallulah Says who ?
I'll give you that, thumbs up!!!!!
@@chaquisa1 Him.
Nice video, I love Rubicon Jeep ⭐, greetings from 🇨🇷...
Nice video, I'd get the Defender if it wasn't so damn expensive.
A lot of passionate comments, which muddied the water even further for me, as I am in neither LR or Jeep camp. It seems that both vehicles perform really well off-road. My question, if things go really wrong (roll over, accident), be it on or off-road, which vehicle is more likely to give you the ability to walk away in 1 piece?
Biased Roadshow reporter: The Land Rover Defender is better than the Jeep Wrangler in every single way. But I'm going to pretend I know what I'm talking about and jump on the bandwagon by saying I prefer the ancient technology of body on chassis.
Biased for certain. Nothing was mentioned about construction metals or that there are no huge modifications needed to tackle tough terrain, unlike a Jeep.
So in the end if you take off your blinkers off its the Defender all the way.
Ya’lllllll
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This is like when cigarette companies did a study on smoking and found no risks involved. You can't own a Jeep then declare it's better than a Defender. Are we a joke to you?!!
Thai Tran . Pretty much.
If the wrangler is such a pos then why is it always the benchmark that range rovers are measured against.?!!
@@jessewoody5772 oh I don't care which car can do what. Each one has it's good and bads just like anything else. I'm saying that this is not an unbiased review. She has already made her choice with the Jeep. But to chime in on the difference. The new defender is more of a long haul overland style 4x4 because it's more comfortable. The Jeep is a rock crawling feel the terrain kind of a vehicle. To each their own. Keep in mind that while the Wrangler was winning over America the defender was exploring the rest of the world.
jeep tests its vehicles on the rubicon trail. does land rover do that? no
I would guess it would be better match for Defender vs upcoming small Bronco
JLR already tested the new Defender with 35's knowing people are going to upgrade the wheels/tires. Also all of the electrical connectors are IP67 rated - so as not to let much smoke out.
Where are the individual videos for the Wrangler and Defender media drives that you took part in?
I do not believe that anyone who is seriously considering a Land Rover is going to give any Chrysler product the time of day.
John Salazar I did. I ultimately went with the Wrangler for cheaper cost of ownership and better reliability over Tata’s Land Rover.
@@dentonarmstrong7470 should have gone for suzuki jimny, even cheaper and reliable and better than wrangler
Not exactly true, but different factors come into play. I’m considering a Defender vs a Rubicon XR, but it’s part of a complete new off-road setup. Either a silver Defender and I keep my current Trailer, or a white Rubicon and get a matching Patriot X1. My evaluation is more the whole rig as a unit, one person setup, flexibility, capability, not just the tow vehicle alone. That being said, you do have a point.
@@vedanthanwat7021Suzuki sucks LOL it is way too small and it flips easier constantly
I’m a Brit , i’l take the Wrangler for off-road , if I’m roading I will take the better looking sister Disco 5 !... or just wait for the INEOS Grenadier
i agree. the new ineos is what land rover should have done. for major off roading, the jeep is the best. for long overlanding, i will choose the ineos, or an old style defender.
How much is Jeep paying you?
I think it's hilarious how the vast majority of Wrangler owners never, or almost never take it off the tarmac, and it's on the tarmac where it's among the worst vehicles you can buy.
It's hilarious how stupid you are...
@@tharinduperera8758
It's hilarious how you idiocy prevents you from realizing how you've provided zero evidence to support your claim. Troll.
"Hard to put a 2 inch lift on a Defender." Step out of Wrangler Walmart parking lot posing world for a second and think; "What is my viewer's intended purpose for the vehicle?" Please also, think; "Why are viewers actually watching my videos?" I mean, you are purportedly providing a comparison review between the Defender and the Rubicon to help someone pick which is the right one for them. Or, are you proving that your preference for the Rubicon is correct? I can't really tell, but it seems to be the latter. My take away from your review is that if one gets one's kicks by modifying a vehicle, lifting it, changing gearing, taking doors off, adding lots of LED lights, adding jerry cans and leaving them eternally empty, going rock crawling on weekends, and then running around the suburbs and flexing their unique creation, while seeing about 8 other similarly PIMPED Rubicons at McDonalds, then Rubicon wins, hands down. Rubicon is cheaper to start with, easier to find, cheaper to modify, cheaper to maintain, and cheaper to fix when you bash a body panel rock crawling when you forced the vehicle into a rock crawl situation for fun. If one one just spent $50k on a Defender with air suspension that gives you an extra 5 inches at the push of a button, and can also can drop the vehicle height 1.6 inches at the push of the same button, it is the height of stupidity to void the warranty to put on a 2 inch lift. (for the record, I don't like air suspensions either, but spending more money to lift 2 inches to put bigger tires for more ground clearance seems to be an attempt to turn the Defender into an American Jeep-style Rock Crawler, and not the more versatile overland Defender. Sometimes increasing vehicle height makes the path impassible due to overhead tree branches etc.) I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't own a Wrangler or a Defender. I watched your review hoping to see which would be better to purchase. Your quoted geometry numbers state Defender offers 5.4 inches more wading depth than Rubicon, more ground clearance, better break over and departure, but less approach angle. Cars and 4x4s are not spreadsheet comparisons. If they were, all we would need is the manufacturer's specs. So, we watch videos and read reviews by auto journalists and bloggers to get their takes. You mentioned that the Defender is far more comfortable, tows more, and carries more payload. It seems from your comparison and the many other comparisons between these two vehicles that the Jeep Rubicon is the better platform for an extreme modified 4X4 project, or dedicated rock crawler. Nevertheless, it seems that if I'm not into weekend rock crawling but more into loading up the family for a weekend camping trip or an extended "overlanding" experience, that the Defender is the way to go. Let's say I'm 40 something, with a dog and kids and a wife. I want to have a nearly unstoppable 4x4 off the showroom floor. I don't want it to look like the bagger at the grocery store's 4x4, and I want it to be able to tow, haul, and hold more stuff than a Prius. You're saying, go with the Defender, aren't you?
That was epic!! Now, breathe... Let it go... Auummmm
geez, let off some breeze bruh
Great review, thank you
Totally biased review.
she drove both vehicles of road...did you drive both vehicles off road? no, you didnt
I agree
Another great video Emme!
This review feels like it's been paid for by Jeep.
She keeps talking all of the Defenders features down.
I don't know where you got your informations but on the jeep web site the rubicon angles are 36,4 approach and 30,8 departure...very very lousy!!
The new Defender is more road and overlanding oriented with comfort and luxury and Rubicon is more off road oriented. If you want to travel 2 weeks in Africa it will be light years apart to a 2 day Rubicon Trail in term of car spec and preparation (extra fuel, extra water, roof top tent and luggage vs. 40" tires, articulation and angles). In the end it is a problem of what you intend to do with your car, you can have a lot of fun in the woods with a Suzuki Jimny or a Polaris RZR for less than 1/4 budget or you can completely salvage, repair and modify an old Toyota Land Cruiser (60, 70, 80 or 105) and still have some money left in your pocket to spend on the trail.
Defender all the time.
Also, solid axles are outdated and should only exist on trucks (actual trucks not pickup trucks/Utes) and trailers.
The Wrangler is a proper hardcore off road vehicle that can be used for rock crawling and no amount of your talk of outdated will change that fact.
The new defender is not a real defender and will not be considered as such by real men. If you are into soya milk at the bar then the new fake defender is the one for you.
try a Suzuki jimny on the rubicon trail
So impartial??
Let’s not forget the Land Rover is quite a lot more expensive
Four key points in favor of the Jeep. 1. Land Rovers horrible reputation for reliability. 2. Land Rovers horrible reputation for very high service costs. 3. Jeep has a massive 3rd party modification infrastructure. 4. Jeep is American made, for me that’s a huge deal. I’ve owned an early Porsche Cayenne S (for 9 years) a BMW X3 (for 5 years) an now a 2018 Rubicon Unlimited for just over 2 years. Is the Jeep the better all around vehicle, no. Do I throughly enjoy getting in it every morning, yes. The Jeep is a compromise, it’s an incredibly fun set of trade offs.
Such a biased review.
i heard her giving much praise to the defender. so why make such a false accusation. she is the one who has driven both vehicles off road. have you driven both vehicles off road? no, so then why slander her as if she were a liar. dude, you should apologize and delete your comment
It only takes to seconds to assess that the new defender is not a real defender. Anybody with eyesight can see that anybody who is a metrosexual will not see it.
@@bighands69 its shocking how people can fall for this vehicle just because it says defender. theres nothing defender about it except the badge. i think the new bronco is more like the old defender than this fake defender which i have dubbed the land rover pretender
Anyone who has actually driven seriously off road would always take solid axles. If you need to ask why, you shouldn't be commenting about 4x4's.
I feel like the Wrangler has more focus on rock crawling and things that require massive amounts of articulation, something you drive for short periods of time. The new Defender seems a bit more practical and can cover a wider range of duties. That being said, LR is getting my money. I know it's a small thing but as a dog owner, the two stage rear hatch opening of the Wrangler drives me nuts. All I had to see was the Defender rear door opening, sold. I know it's silly to spend an extra 30k over nit-picky things like how a door opens but I would never stop thinking about it.
Simple, si quieres pasar en el servicio técnico entonces compra el defender. Si quieres disfrutar un 4x4 a prueba de todo y jamaa pisar un servicio técnico, compra un Wrangler
The defender unibody frame is not an off road Car. It's a perfect suv for Sunday shopping. If you make a serious off road with an unibody frame at the end you can't open The doors because deformed. There is a reason if the real off road have all a body on frame structure.
That is now being debated
l had the choice of both, in the end l went for the Defender because there's a Commercial version and the figures stacked up better for my business.
l would happily own either vehicle, l
love my Defender but also love the Wrangler in LWB
l would imagine the Wrangler will be more reliable, although nothing has gone wrong with the Defender since l got it.
LR needs to lend you a Defender for The Rubicon, for sure.
Biased review... I am sure if you owned a Suzuki Jimny you would still say its better than a defender😂😂
isnt that a slanderous accusation. she drove both vehicles, did you?
The Jimny is not a real hardcore off road vehicle the Wrangler is.
@@healthyamerican defenetly yes
@roadshow then which one is good defender or jeep
The landrover is harder to upgrade and your limited by tire size, not saying landrover is bad it’s not a jeep
My LR3 has 32s and they operate fine, it only takes 150 dollars to raise with Johnson rods and gives near on 400mm clearance
Your landrover is better than the new one, if the new one has computer issues or sensor issues far in the trail good luck getting it out without a big bill or headache. But your rig looks great, I’m old school simple, less computers solid axles. 32 inch tires is nice size not to big and you learn how to drive better than with big tires, I did the mohab top of the world, hells revenge, fins and things with 31” tires made it 1/4 of the way I blew my spider gears on the Dana 35.
@@williamwilde9867 I am pretty sure LR have ironed out all the electronic bugs .Mechanically LRs have always been reliable apart from Axles,but they only take half hour to replace.Same as air struts on LR3 very easy to replace on the trail.Electronics are easy and cheap as well if one can pinpoint ,but generally electronics have never held me to bay in the bush only time lol
laurence mccarthy I’ve had close call with computers with engine shutting off almost killed me, I don’t trust a vehicle with lots of computers. And the diagnostic costs. But if you love your LR3 and it works for you that’s great, I’m just old school with one computer only.I really like the old school defender 90
@@williamwilde9867 well i am old school as well 71 yo and had dozens of LR;s Jeeps Toyota Nissan to name a few .The disco 3 has won over every 4x4 i have ever owned in every aspect and i can tell you i have done A LOT of 4xwheeling
The breakover angle is a big deal in the defender... It's probably going to take a 3 inch lift and some 35s or better to hit a 28 breakover on a 4 door Wrangler.
I'm there ;-). 2 inch lift and modest tire upgrade will get you to 28° breakover with the Cherokee Trailhawk.
How is the Defender on maintenance??
I had a Discovery SE7 that was expensive!!! The windows kept seizing and the V8 was thirsty.
Emme!! I haven’t seen your videos in a while. Awesome to see you’re still on the scene!
Wrangler is superior for the given purpose in every imaginable way. It also doesn’t look like a Honda Element.
Too bad 99% of Wrangler owners don't use it for it's given purpose.
@@RobertLeBlancPhoto Do you think any (new) Defender owner will ever use it for its intended purpose?
@@philipjooste9075 99.999999 Defender owners won't even leave pavement.
Jeep ALL DAY LONG.
How do these stack up to the Lada Bronto?
Telling good jokes isn't her calling but I appreciate the negative of the Defender. I learned a lot from this video, while other channels sucked off the Defender to please advertisers. If I could have one, the Defender is classier.