Well this was a pretty solid thing for Michelin to be alright with. Really shows their confidence in their tires. Thanks for putting this together, guys!
You guys should do one more centered around rally cross people. Not uncommon for rally cross guys to be running cheap winter tires/small all terrains/ all season tires. You should test them against rally tires on a simpler platform.
This is super rad, and the content I love to see from you guys! More enthusiast content and testing is a plus for all grassroots teams that more than likely can't afford to do a test like this on their own, let alone finding a facility to test in this manner
Pirelli, Michelin and Yokohama has hade the most success here in Sweden. I have been doing lots of rally sprints lately which is mostly hard gravel mixed with a bit of asphalt and I have found the Yokohama ADVAN A036 to be very good for those types of roads in my FWD Corolla edit: otherwise I have been running Yokohama ADVAN A035 on the softer side in the forest which have felt probably as good the Pirelli K8 while being more economical both due to being a bit cheaper and a local dealer helping me out edit2: also the Swedish Championship has made a deal with Hankook and their new WRC tyres for the 2025 season so that will be interesting to see what everyone will think of those
Good video, unfortunately using K4 and K6 as medium and soft definitely were too hard. K6 are a medium (Pirelli calls them medium soft) and the true soft is K8 which is not available on FWD size you tried but it is on the AWD you did. Would be great to share the durometer numbers too for people's reference. Great stuff! Thanks for doing this, very cool!
That was my first thought that I was hoping to see compared. I've heard from you and others that the Pirelli's have a longer life for the compound ranges, and as a more novice/poor driver myself that's going to be a huge factor for what tires I'll buy
I absolutely LOVE this style of video!!!! Amazing editing, directing, and performance from everyone, awesome concept and a great way to celebrate Michelin getting back into the world of rally! Incredible video 🔥🔥🔥
I never knew that Michelins were not available here in the states for the last ten years. ??? I wonder why (and how) they let themselves be outbid by Hankook for the prestigious WRC top level 'exclusive supplier' contract. ????
Yeah, that beast looks more out of place on the gravel stage roads than my old LS1 4th gen Z28 did the few times I used it to work/volunteer on STPR way back when (NOT lowered at all, of course!).
@@tptrsn Nope, not even ever on the NEFR stages, which is the rally which Team O'Neil is most affiliated with in current times, although they (or Tim himself) were not the originators of that event in 1991/1992.
very stoked on this! good work and effort by all. where would the general public be able to find and purchase these kinds of tires? are they sold in limited quantities or restricted to team use only? thanks team o' neil this was sick.
Yes they did all start at the same pressure at the start of each test at 28 PSI. The data recorded shows the pressure and temperatures at the end of 2 shakedown laps and at the end of each testing cycle.
These tires are VERY co$tly, (like $250 USD+ each and up, depending on size, compound, and manufacturer) and even the hardest compound varieties will 'burn up' quite rapidly if driven on asphalt/tarmac at all. WHY I decided to just run on a strong, XL side wall, less micro-siped, winter tire (like the General Arctic 12s, or Conti Viking 7s) to work on gravel rallies instead of actual, real gravel rally tires. 😉
Thank you all a for that, it is really important testing work for users and I really appreciate all the work and effort you all put in to it. It is really grate if you can do Dunlop and Yokohama as well but I don't know if there are available for you or not. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
The Yoks are available here in the states IF you REALLY want them, but the only team I've seen them on are the perennially and perpetually winning, juggernaut, Scoobie Motorsorts USA/Vermont Sports Car WRXes. I have never seen a Dunlop gravel rally tire here in the states, although I am sure they exist somewhere. 😉
I use MRF on the front, and Hoosiers on the back. (Car is a Ford Fiesta XR4) MRFs give the best grip, and are cheaper, while the Hoosiers give better turn in.
Great test/review! 👍👍🏁 What size were the 2WD tires on the ST, and also what WIDTH wheels were you mounting them on? The Braid Acropolis are available in both 15x6 AND 15x7 in the Fiesta's 4x108 PCD, 63.4 center bore, and usable offsets. But the Team Dynamics Pro Rally were only available in a 15x6, if I recall correctly from way back when they were still being produced.
@@guest6423 We used the exact same course on all four days of documenting this. Medium tires on the South end of the the property and the soft compound tires on the North end of the property for both the front wheel drive and the all wheel drive rally cars.
None of those, all of them are way too expensive for most grassroot teams. It would be interesting to put a budget tire in the mix like an MRF or Federal that are half price or even less than the options presented here to see how they compare to these premium tires.
Where can the Michelin tires be purchased? The only place I can find the Pirelli tires is charging $430 per tire before shipping!!! That is a huge difference when you compare it to the more budget friendly tire like MRF ($180 per tire shipped!). Even if I only run one set of MRFs per day on a two day rally, it would still be cheaper then one set of Pirelli. Curious what the performance of the Pirelli would be after one day of racing compared to a new set of MRF. Now that is a test we need and would convince ppl to try Michelin and Pirelli.
Would like to know the longevity of rally tyre. As the way off-road grip is generated differently than track tyre. How do the normal at tyre against these
On pavement, rally tires get chewed up pretty quickly. If you were to drive a rally tire strictly on a dirt road and drove conservatively, it could last a while.
@@Teamoneilrally In case anyone tries to get them from the last supplier mentioned above, that is Four STAR Motorsports, which has the Sprongl brothers as it's proprietors.
Great Review THX... On my GR Corolla - What tire would you recommend as a daily driver on pavement where best traction not that important - fast ralley style driving on gravel roads & light snow drifting? ( more focus on controlled gravel driving!!!) & what size for this car?
@@TerryManitobayou’re asking for one tire to do the job of three. At the very least, gravel rally tires are downright dangerous on the snow, and both snow and gravel tires get chewed up very quickly driving on the street
@@CHNO-hs6nx Ya - a tire to do all 3 (like a 3 peak all season tire) that leans more towards gravel roads. ( NO deep snow - below 10 f winter conditions)
See the full results: press.teamoneil.com/blog/tiretest
Well this was a pretty solid thing for Michelin to be alright with. Really shows their confidence in their tires. Thanks for putting this together, guys!
Glad they actually called out changing track conditions and driver familiarity as variables
Thank you for checking it out!
Out of the back of a Camaro is the correct way to deliver Hoosiers
You guys should do one more centered around rally cross people. Not uncommon for rally cross guys to be running cheap winter tires/small all terrains/ all season tires. You should test them against rally tires on a simpler platform.
I'm all for this
A few select tires on a common rallycross chassis or two would be rad
Guess the 5-year old snow tires didn’t make the cut?
Excellent video. Massive thanks to everyone involved! ❤
Thank you!
This is super rad, and the content I love to see from you guys! More enthusiast content and testing is a plus for all grassroots teams that more than likely can't afford to do a test like this on their own, let alone finding a facility to test in this manner
Pirelli, Michelin and Yokohama has hade the most success here in Sweden. I have been doing lots of rally sprints lately which is mostly hard gravel mixed with a bit of asphalt and I have found the Yokohama ADVAN A036 to be very good for those types of roads in my FWD Corolla
edit: otherwise I have been running Yokohama ADVAN A035 on the softer side in the forest which have felt probably as good the Pirelli K8 while being more economical both due to being a bit cheaper and a local dealer helping me out
edit2: also the Swedish Championship has made a deal with Hankook and their new WRC tyres for the 2025 season so that will be interesting to see what everyone will think of those
Great video guys! If time allows, bracketing the test with a final run on the first set can help confirm driver confidence vs tire performance
Good video, unfortunately using K4 and K6 as medium and soft definitely were too hard. K6 are a medium (Pirelli calls them medium soft) and the true soft is K8 which is not available on FWD size you tried but it is on the AWD you did. Would be great to share the durometer numbers too for people's reference.
Great stuff! Thanks for doing this, very cool!
That was my first thought that I was hoping to see compared. I've heard from you and others that the Pirelli's have a longer life for the compound ranges, and as a more novice/poor driver myself that's going to be a huge factor for what tires I'll buy
@@geoffsandvoss3127 K4s will last a long time for sure. Curious to try Michelin. I did not like Hoosiers
This was amazing, great content, every rally racer in the world appreciates this
Anton Le Stage. How appropriate!
Adding another comment stating that it seems like the more expensive options usually last and keep their performance longer than the budget versions
Kickass vid !
@@erinnmccrankypants5192 Thank you!
This is a great video! I've no doubt that it'll be helpful for newer teams or teams on a budget.
I absolutely LOVE this style of video!!!! Amazing editing, directing, and performance from everyone, awesome concept and a great way to celebrate Michelin getting back into the world of rally! Incredible video 🔥🔥🔥
@@Uncle_John_Ai_Xin Thank you, we greatly appreciate it. A lot of work and time went into putting this together.
@@Teamoneilrally it really shows!!!
I never knew that Michelins were not available here in the states for the last ten years. ???
I wonder why (and how) they let themselves be outbid by Hankook for the prestigious WRC top level 'exclusive supplier' contract. ????
awsome stuff team O'neil
Phenomenal video, thanks! Are we going to be seeing any content with the red camaro?
Yeah, that beast looks more out of place on the gravel stage roads than my old LS1 4th gen Z28 did the few times I used it to work/volunteer on STPR way back when (NOT lowered at all, of course!).
@@nofascistsonmywatch Have you see the red Camaro out in the wild (rally stages)?
@@tptrsn Nope, not even ever on the NEFR stages, which is the rally which Team O'Neil is most affiliated with in current times, although they (or Tim himself) were not the originators of that event in 1991/1992.
awesome work guys!
very stoked on this! good work and effort by all. where would the general public be able to find and purchase these kinds of tires? are they sold in limited quantities or restricted to team use only? thanks team o' neil this was sick.
also intersting that fwd and awd tires are different. what does mix matching do? more videos like these!!
did all the tires start at the same pressure? 35psi? therefore the data shows their warm pressures post stage?
Thank you for the kind words! Most of these tires are available through vendors such as Thompson Racing Fabrication and Four Star Motorsports.
Yes they did all start at the same pressure at the start of each test at 28 PSI. The data recorded shows the pressure and temperatures at the end of 2 shakedown laps and at the end of each testing cycle.
These tires are VERY co$tly, (like $250 USD+ each and up, depending on size, compound, and manufacturer) and even the hardest compound varieties will 'burn up' quite rapidly if driven on asphalt/tarmac at all.
WHY I decided to just run on a strong, XL side wall, less micro-siped, winter tire (like the General Arctic 12s, or Conti Viking 7s) to work on gravel rallies instead of actual, real gravel rally tires. 😉
I love Michelin tires. Had Crossclimate 2 and Just got Pilot sports 2
Thank you all a for that, it is really important testing work for users and I really appreciate all the work and effort you all put in to it. It is really grate if you can do Dunlop and Yokohama as well but I don't know if there are available for you or not. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
The Yoks are available here in the states IF you REALLY want them, but the only team I've seen them on are the perennially and perpetually winning, juggernaut, Scoobie Motorsorts USA/Vermont Sports Car WRXes.
I have never seen a Dunlop gravel rally tire here in the states, although I am sure they exist somewhere. 😉
needs more golf rallye!
I use MRF on the front, and Hoosiers on the back. (Car is a Ford Fiesta XR4) MRFs give the best grip, and are cheaper, while the Hoosiers give better turn in.
Great stuff
Great content !
Thank you!
Can we get a similar test 4-6 months from now dedicated to snow rally tires (or any winter tire that competitors often use)?
Great test/review! 👍👍🏁
What size were the 2WD tires on the ST, and also what WIDTH wheels were you mounting them on?
The Braid Acropolis are available in both 15x6 AND 15x7 in the Fiesta's 4x108 PCD, 63.4 center bore, and usable offsets.
But the Team Dynamics Pro Rally were only available in a 15x6, if I recall correctly from way back when they were still being produced.
Can yall do a video on lotus elise or exige. Will it rally? And talk about best suspension components for the lotus?
The man's sponsored by Michelin 🤷
Hey is it just me or Wyatt was gone for a while? Either way, so cool to watch him hosting videos again (no offense Team O’Neil 😅))
Maybe try some different pressures and also tyres back to front!
Fun comparison. I only wish that you had used the same course for all the tires.
@@guest6423 We used the exact same course on all four days of documenting this. Medium tires on the South end of the the property and the soft compound tires on the North end of the property for both the front wheel drive and the all wheel drive rally cars.
Did you account for changes in the wheels? I saw OZ and Braid wheels in there, were there others? And how would they affect the testing
Fantastic!!
Next video: Mich or BFG AT? how long will they last on my daily driver subie or taco?
That I also would like to know
Which rally tires would you choose?
None of those, all of them are way too expensive for most grassroot teams. It would be interesting to put a budget tire in the mix like an MRF or Federal that are half price or even less than the options presented here to see how they compare to these premium tires.
all of them! even if i cant afford them. maybe if enough people bought them the prices would come down! i sure wish they would!!
cheapest soft compound winter tyres
@@FrogRacing agreed
@@FrogRacingThis is my answer too! I have run Federals and now I use MRF from tire streets. They are awesome and much cheaper than any of these!
The data sheet has the wrong totals for the soft tires, it just repeats the medium totals
Thank you for pointing this out, it has now been corrected: press.teamoneil.com/blog/tiretest
The stage times at European Rally Championship with different cars and tyre brands are closer than this test.
I want to know which is more fun, driving or flying the drone ^^
no RWD?! don't tell me the AMX was broken again...
Where can the Michelin tires be purchased? The only place I can find the Pirelli tires is charging $430 per tire before shipping!!! That is a huge difference when you compare it to the more budget friendly tire like MRF ($180 per tire shipped!). Even if I only run one set of MRFs per day on a two day rally, it would still be cheaper then one set of Pirelli. Curious what the performance of the Pirelli would be after one day of racing compared to a new set of MRF. Now that is a test we need and would convince ppl to try Michelin and Pirelli.
Cool cool
Antoine Lestage!
Would like to know the longevity of rally tyre. As the way off-road grip is generated differently than track tyre. How do the normal at tyre against these
me too. How long would a rally tyre (hard compound) survive everyday street use?
@@christianstadler5746 Not very long at all, even for the hardest of compounds. ☹
On pavement, rally tires get chewed up pretty quickly. If you were to drive a rally tire strictly on a dirt road and drove conservatively, it could last a while.
@@Teamoneilrally How does AT tire compare to rally tire highspeed offroad?
The only shocking thing about the Pirellis was no punctures.
Why did you not complete the test with the latest Pirelli version?
Certain compounds in some brands were not readily available at the time of this test.
What's the closest to a rally tire you can run on the street?
Closest to a gravel or tarmac rally tire?
You need to test the softest compound or the hardest compounds in exact size, otherwise poor data.
When and where will the Michelins be available?
@@bcorn68 The Michelins are available at Thompson Racing Fabrication in the U.S. and Four Star Motorsports in Canada.
@@Teamoneilrally Holy Smoking Tyre!!! I want them. I'll buy them. But damn they are expensive!
@@Teamoneilrally It there a spec sheet somewhere for the temp range for each compound? Or is that how even they rate them?
@@Teamoneilrally In case anyone tries to get them from the last supplier mentioned above, that is Four STAR Motorsports, which has the Sprongl brothers as it's proprietors.
CAMERO!
I'm wearing my purple shirt today
🎉😊
Great Review THX...
On my GR Corolla - What tire would you recommend as a daily driver on pavement where best traction not that important - fast ralley style driving on gravel roads & light snow drifting? ( more focus on controlled gravel driving!!!)
& what size for this car?
You want a daily gravel tire?
@@SofaKingTouge daily driver for pavement where best traction not that important - fast ralley style driving on gravel roads & light snow drifting
@@TerryManitoba that makes no sense.
@@TerryManitobayou’re asking for one tire to do the job of three. At the very least, gravel rally tires are downright dangerous on the snow, and both snow and gravel tires get chewed up very quickly driving on the street
@@CHNO-hs6nx Ya - a tire to do all 3 (like a 3 peak all season tire) that leans more towards gravel roads. ( NO deep snow - below 10 f winter conditions)
Awesome video!!!