The Road to Independence - Finland in WW1 I THE GREAT WAR Special
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2017
- The Grand Duchy of Finland was a largely autonomous part of the Russian Empire when the First World War broke out, but that would soon change. Rising nationalism in the country and chaos in Russia, among other things, helped Finland on its way to becoming an independent country.
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The video that all the Finnish fans have waited for.
Yeah
( 0:43 ) - Rajat ovat väärin! Wiipuri! / Gränserna är fel! Wiborg! / Borders are wrong! Wiipuri! // Missä on Wiipurin lääni, se puuttuu? Entäs Sallan-Kuusamon alue? Ryöstetty Karjala ja tuo toinen alue olivat silloin vielä Suomea! / Var är Wiborgs län? Och vad om Salla-Kuusamo området? Stulen Karelen och det där andra området var ännu i Finland på den där tiden. / Where is Wiipuri province or Salla-Kuusamo area? Stolen Karelia and the other area were still in Finland at that time!
TealTherapsid niin on
As usual a great eposide, from start to Finnish
Stefan T how am I the only one who liked this!? This is gold!
Did however fail to mention Finland's great national heroes like Eisa Peitää and Maski Hallonen
Stefan T... Maybe because there is nothing about them on the web? (at least that I can find, in english)
Oh, dad jokes. The first one is playing with the slightly mis spelled finnish "Ei saa peittää" common warning on electric radiators alongside "Må ikke tildekkes" and "Får ej övertäckas", check google translate. The second one is a swedish pun that has nothing to do with finnish. Mask=worm, hallon=raspberries so "worm infested raspberries". Hey Stefan T, what about Hakki Hälinen?
klutttmuttsprutt thanks as we all know jokes are better when someone in the comments explains them
Endless demand for Finnish metal... I mean who doesn't like Finnish metal.
Swedish metal is better
Tyynymyy simply no
Heavy Metal or the northern nickel mines?
Endless demand......BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Impaled Nazarene !!
Finland's episode requests: Checked! ✔
Now we move to demand an episode about the civil war (like Indy hinted at) :D
Frotzon, I think people are more likely to ask about Mannerheim again.
Checked but not mated, civil war special hype!
( 0:43 ) - Rajat ovat väärin! Wiipuri! / Gränserna är fel! Wiborg! / Borders are wrong! Wiipuri! // Missä on Wiipurin lääni, se puuttuu? Entäs Sallan-Kuusamon alue? Ryöstetty Karjala ja tuo toinen alue olivat silloin vielä Suomea! / Var är Wiborgs län? Och vad om Salla-Kuusamo området? Stulen Karelen och det där andra området var ännu i Finland på den där tiden. / Where is Wiipuri province or Salla-Kuusamo area? Stolen Karelia and the other area were still in Finland at that time!
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Suomen oikeat rajat tuohon aikaan. / Finlands rätt gränserna på det där tiden. / Correct borders of Finland at that time. // Ahvenamaan unohdin myös mainita. / Jag glömde nämna Åland också. / I did forget at mention Åland also.
Long live Finland from Hungary!
Márton Köves 😘💕
Márton Köves thanks finland and hungary are brothers
Finland forever
One of my favorite anecdotes somewhat related to this was from Sigrid Schauman. She was stopped by the traffic police in the... fifties, iirc, and asked routinely, if she had had any dealings with police before. Laconically, her answer was, once, when my brother shot Bobrikov.
As a Finn I can say that the Civil War of 1918 was pretty bloody and would divide the nation for years to come until WW2 happens.(Winter War and all that) Even today the Civil War is one of the most controversial topics in our history and probably the darkest part of it.
Only controversial and dark for red swine.
Haukka paitsi että valkoset teloitti 8 000 ihmistä tottakai punaisetkin teki ylilyöntejä ps sukuni oli valkoisia
Yes it was a terrible conflict in with so many atrocities were made against POWs and civilians. People of the same nation and culture slaughtering each other over ideology. I've read about the Vyborg massacre... Hate is an unsettling thing.
Jorge argentinos Pettureiden palkka on kuolema
Tuppe niin mutta tuon ajan normaalit ihmiset "työväki" oli tosi alistettuja ja huonovointisia
can you do WHO DID WHAT IN World War 1? for Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim
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kyllä se tulloo, älä hätäile!
aijaa nykypäivänä kysyminen on hätäilyä
samaa kysymystä on ruinattu ties miten monta kertaa. ovat jo sanoneet että se tulee aikanaan.
1. en tiennyt et on kysytty 2. en tienny et ne o sanonu noi
We in Hungary love all our uralic brothers both in Eesti and Soumi the winter war we tride to send volenters but they get blocked by other powers. Welcome from Hungary or as we call it Magyarország
But we fought alongside in Russo-Turkish war. Greetings my brother :)
The union of impossible-to-pronounce languages. Seriously. In my travels across Europe in all other nations I can sort of read the signs and get the hang of where I'm supposed to be going. In Estonia and Hungary? Forget about it. At least in Finland I can read the Swedish signs and somewhat understand just by being a native English speaker and knowing basic German.
SUomi
Thanks bruh but I love my country and how everything is handled here in the Northern-European countries without corrupted prime ministers and next to non existent social security system. I have a Hungarian friend and what I have heard its unbelievable how the student financial aid is based on how you do in the school instead of being equal to everyone who goes to schools.
@@johnvictorengland7703 lol, Finnish and Estonian kind two extra terrestrial languages in the heat of Europe.
7:13 I have an endless demand for Finnish metal.
Children of Bodom ,Nightwish ,Ensiferum ,Moonsorrow Ambien Dawn, Amorphis ,Turisas,Impaled Nazarene ,kivimetsan druidi And of course Finntroll . That's what I like it's what I need to function Properly
Check out Raate. Finnish metal with (gruesome) historical themes. ua-cam.com/video/AzJuwzD8l6s/v-deo.html
Keep strong, Finland! 🇫🇮💪
Can't wait for the special on the Finno-Korean Hyperwar
Imagine Indy going all excited "Then Finns told Koreans communism and pop music suck, Koreans were so pissed off that they united against the Blue menace." and so on :DDd
Dont worry, after he is done with ww1 indy will start a new channel called ”the Hyper War”
Voluseraptor well fug :DD
The Koreans stood no chance against our flying saucers. Get fucked Korea!
Please Indy!
Do an episode on Mannerheim. Not many people have heard about him.
Love Finland from Germany
b d awe😢
b d Love Germany from Finland💕😘
Sara Järvinen 💙💙
b d - Deutschlaaaand! Ich bin aus Finland.
b d - Ich wohne in Finnland.
You rock Finland, looking forward to the next 100 years! Shout out from the US
Finally! Thank you Indy and the crew! I've waited this ever since you did the video about Sweden 2 years ago (has it been that long?) and said (IIRC) that there'd be a video about Finland as well.
1809 Sweden lost Finland to Russia after Russia attacked sweden. And Finland never was the same and Sweden never forget lossing half of it's country, a third of the population and the status of Finnish as an official language.
Blev du lärd det i skolan?
Du har ju delvis rätt men din syn på det är annorlunda än vad våran är
The map at 00:40 is incorrect. The borders of the Grand Duchy of Finland included "old Finland", i.e. Viborg and half of Ladoga.
Correct, and it´s also excluding Åland.
liedream casinosoul - Myös Ahvenanmaa puuttu, kyllä. / Åland är också saknas, du är rätt. / Åland is also missing, you right.
Viipuri
Perkele
Perkele Vittu satana
ebin :DD
Baguette ain't free :Ddddddddd
Lauri Akkanen perkele
Tätä on odotettu!!!
Amazing video as usual. Happy 100th to all Finns!!! Indy please make an episode about Ottoman weapons with C&R.
Really cool video! This expanded my knowledge quite a bit, even as a Finn. For example I don't recall being taught about Franz Seyn or Adrian Nepenin at school. Everyone knows about Bobrikov and Schauman of course :D
Thanks for this episode. Been waiting.
This is the episode i have been waiting for! Thank you
Huge thanks for making this video! Kiitos!
Love finland from turkey🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
Really cool that you did this. Thanks!
Really well done on your setup. Much respect to the amount of effort you put into your work
Thank you guys! I have been waiting for a video like this.
Thank you guys!!!
Indy thank you so much for an episode on my country! Loved it!
Thank you Indy and the crew. Love this! Thank you for hearing our.. prayers. Cant wait for the later specials.
6:22 This painting looks so eerie
Yeah... Is that actually a painting? Wow
Very informative. Thanks.
Big thanks from Finland! Great video!
Thank you, i really appreciate this 😃
I'm surprised how well researched this video was. Fantastic work.
Most interesting piece of history. Learning more every time I watch. Thank you.
Greetings from Finland ! Just started watching the channel ! very nice work.
Great episode, and a wonderful overview! Greetings from Finland :)
I was secrectly hoping some episode about Finland, and here it is! Thank you so much, keep up the good work and cheers from snowy Finland!
Kiitos tästä! Thank you for this!
That was exciting. Loved listening to it. Lots of fun. Thanks guys, thanks alot.
Finn living in Pietarsaari here! Thanks for an awesome episode!
Thank you guys for making this video! As a proud Finn I've been waiting for this since the start of the war. : )
Solid research, graphics, images presentation and narration. Kiitos, Thank You. *Bangkok-Jomppa*
I love this channel. Educational, well made videos with effort put in.
Excellent as always
Thanks for making this. Thought you'd (understandably) pass Finland by with a sentence in the weekly episode. You certainly keep going the extra mile.
Finally! Thanks Indy and the team!
Thanks for this
6:48 I'm like "Is that ship flying a Union Jack?"
Googling Russian naval ensigns shows I'm wrong.. ..and have learned something.
Your channel "The Great War" is an unmatchable masterpeice - great attention to detail, excellent (and unbiased) analyses, superb scholarship, lucid presentations and summations.........and the style of your delivery keeps one deeply interested and invested throughout the video. Well, well done (and -no, I am not related to you.).
A nicely informative video. Part of my background is Finnish. So knowing more about the homeland of my ancestors is quite nice. Thanks for making this video. Great job.
Bloody well done homework, Indy and team! Facts were precise and as a whole very well put together! Finnish thanks to you!
For once, an unusual classy, informative and objective history-video. Great work. The boundaries of the Grand-Duchy were quite freely drawn on the map, but what the heck.
You guys are welcome in Helsinki anytime!
I'm not Finnish. But F*cking finally guys :D
Always great stuff
Perkele from Latvia!
Magnífico trabajo, enhorabuena
Great video! Great channel, keep up the great work!
I learned more from Finnish history on your channel than during history class. Cheers!!
been waiting for this for over 3 years
THANKS!
Border of the grand duchy shown on the map in the beginning is wrong by the way.
Sorry guys, my intention (Toni) in that moment was actually to show more the area of the Finns in general, less the borders. Should have done a more softly border...That's probably what can happen, as we're having a stressful time to get all the episodes ready for christmas and new year as we want to go on vacation and meet our families as well and still give you guys the full tgw-experience ;)
Indy thanks for this video! I've been waiting for you guys to make an vid about my country. :)
love the show love from finland !!
Oh yeah Finland is finally here!
yes, finally great work guys.
4:43 wow impressive
Se olisi sitten saunan lämmityksen paikka.
Torille ei tälläkään kertaa mennä...
suomi perkele
im sorry its the only finnish thing i know
Suomi mainittu, torille tappamaan kommareita!
Kaljaa ja palju sinne torille kans.
Roland Deschain - Ei ole noin Molotov, Suomi on hyvin looginen kieli. Älkää tykätkö hänen kommentistaan Perkele. / Det är icke rätt!! / It not right!
Roland Deschain - Kijoitin vahingossa suomen kielen isolla, lål ei voi olla totta... / Jag skrev finska språk med stor bokstav på misstag, lål det kan icke vara så...
Thanks im from finland so this is very great video
Finally! thank you guys
Cool episode. Very informative and edjucating. I personally am finnish and still didn't know most of this :'D. Love the butchering of names aswell. I Find it quite funny.
Anthony Laaksonen lol, I read that as "Very informative and *ejaculating..."* 😶
Great video and congratulations to "The great War"!
Suomi perkele! Finally this episode I waited for! And I just yesterday found a bunch of mosin-nagant and Mauser casings from an civil war battle near Lahti!
I know it's outside the scope of the channel, but I've always admired how Finland hammered the Soviets in the Second World War. It's like, please leave us alone, we are neutral, but if you invade we will fight to the bitter end.
Yay, you made this finnish fan happy! Next I'm waiting for bio-special on Mannerheim. I bet I would learn a lot from your special on him.
EXCELLENT HISTORY VIDEO
NJET, MOLOTOFF. Njet Molotoff! valehtelit enemmän kuin itse Bobrikov!
Fascinating.
Swedish language was predominant in certain parts of the country, not specifically exclusive to the governing classes. However, upper classes were almost exclusively Swedish speaking.
Still waiting for that later episode.
Great video, Indy!!
I wondering if you are planning to do a special on Switzerland during the Great War, as a neutral nation surrounded by war?
Keep up the great work!
Excellent
Sibelius - Finlandia would have been an awesome background track ;)
So obvious and appropriate, due to its actual role as pro-independence propaganda, it is surprising they didn't include it.
Awesome!
Another in a long line of great episodes.
I love Finland so much and would like to visit there some day soon. Kitos
many thenks, many loves nigel
Hey indy and the team. I am watching you since 1914 and I am really proud to be part of this awesome community ( I am talking about you, Flo.) I am from young democracy called Georgian republic. My country is ancient and used to be influenced by many cultures. After annexation of Georgian principalities and absorbing it by russian empire in 1801-1811 Georgia used to play crucial role in the region. Its capital, Tbilisi was administrative center of south Caucasus and russian empire gained foothold in Caucasian region by it. As we have close proximity to persian and ottoman borders, all wars t
With them were fought on our land and using our manpower. Georgia with population of over 2.3 million by 1918 has sent somewhat 250 thousand troops to russian empire on all fronts. After fall of russian empire we had great relations with German empire which helped us to negotiate between ottomans and Russians. These times are really important for my people as it played crucial role in our strife of self determination and nationalism. On may 26th, 1918 democratic republic of Georgia was proclaimed independent. After this till 1921, when Soviet annexed us we had really interesting times. We had many successful wars, we effectively fought off communists and our government consisted mainly of Mensheviks(minority of communist party after split in london in 1904.) Indy, Flo and the team. As you see I am fluent in English and I can easily speak or write in it.(not concerning this text, I wrote it hurry.) I want to do research and send to you my work, but I have some challenges. 1) there are lots of works about ww2 but not ww1, they are scarce.
I found a great book which used sources from that times but it is written in georgian and sources and bibliography is either in German, russian or Georgian. Thus book is written by highly educated historian who used approximately 500 sources and even had interviews from whiteness. I really want to contribute my work time and effort in this work but would you trust this sources? Is there any point of me doing this and translating.
Btw, I have contacted one of tgeost famous historians in modern Georgia to help me out.
What do you think, will you trust my work? And how could it be sent?
I am 17 years old and I am planning on studying physics in the usa but I have a great knowledge in history and that's why I loved your channels in the first place.
I would be glad if your read the whole thing, idk, lol, thank you. And please, can you contact me?
Hi Indy and Team! Each country deserves its Great War Special episode!
Do Neutral Moresnet next, please!
Seriously???? OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG *fangirl screeeeech*
FINLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You ok Patrick?
Finland!!!
Happy 100 years Finnish friends! Any suggestions on a website or so where I can learn your beautiful yet tangled language?
UA-cam is filled with lessons. I warn you, grammar is hard :D easier to learn chinese
Come to Finland, it's so damn cold that a couple of weeks and you'll know all the bad words. This is due to something you can only experience this far up north called "vitutus" used to express a state of continous anger, grudging acceptance of the conditions and unwavering defiance against mother nature. This in turn is made possible by "sisu" which allows us to stubbornly defy anything that puts us in circumstances that we are not completely satisfied with. But also allows us to survive in said circumstances, with the cost of having to deal with "vitutus" which is usually made apparent by the almost silent mumbling of various swear words and age old curses in an almost chanting manner.
"The almost silent mumbling of various swear words and age old curses in an almost chanting manner" That sounds actually like a fun song, someone should compose it!
Although I like cold, I doubt my strength could stomach that level of climate.
😘💕
You should have mentioned the ring of fortifications around Helsinki
Loved the video, but 0:39 the border is incorrect: that was the border only in 1809-1812, until the good Czar Alexander 1st added the Old Finland to the Grand Duchy in 1812. The area was administratively the Viipuri province and had been a part of Finland (Sweden) until Russia annexed it some 90 years before in the Great Northern War. Thus, when the Russians conquered the rest of Finland, it was only logical to unite the "Old Finland" and "New Finland".
Anyway, happy to hear more Finland videos coming!
Indie, I take my hat of for Flo, or who ever it is, for selecting those wonderful satirical maps of Europe, for this and the previous episodes.
They are simply marvelous!
I will pass it on to Markus. He is doing the photo research.
Best video on the channel
where are you my uralic brothers and sisters? Much love to you from Finland
Ancientfungi Mongolilarppia :-DDD
The map on 0:42 is Finnland after WWII.
Other than that, great show, as usual.