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Good job. Maybe want to mention that the 2 tabs at top can be hammered in to affix the Joist Hanger to the rim joist for easy follow up hanger nailing. I believe the requisite amount of appropriate joist hanger fasteners should be included in the packaging to preclude possible misuse of other fasteners. I hold no brief for attorneys, but just makes common sense to me. Happy Holidays.
I'll be honest, I've built a number of garden buildings, installed roof windows, loft hatches and a new staircase in my family's houses, and have never heard that you should use nails or structural screws in joist hangers. I have always just used standard 4x40 wood screws. And I've only ever put 4 or 6 in a bracket, never filled all the holes.
I'll be honest. It might do you a world of good to READ the written installation instructions provided by Simpson Strong-Tie for their joist hangers. Have you ever done that? www.strongtie.com/resources/product-installers-guide/landing
@@askthebuilder I've always just bought hangers from my local hardware store. They don't come with any manual I wouldn't have read it if it had done. It's a glorified angle bracket as far I was concerned. I learnt all my DIY skills from my father, who swears by screws and detests any form of nails. Your video highlighted some errors in the way I've been taught and I will now use the appropriate fixings in joist hangers going forward.
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Read the nail length as some wrote below: the joist nails need to be 10D 3" long Minimum! (3 x .0148). If not 3" or 3 1/4" long you are not fastening to the header.
I believe the confusion comes in with the angled section being the same 2 1/2 screws or nails. If your using the same length no problem, however it has always been my understanding the angled screws are longer. Also note that code enforcement has different requirements in different areas concerning length so people should be aware of that.
If you use those short 1-1/2" tico nails on the angled double shear holes they won't reach the beam. Those should have a 10d common 3" in order to reach and pentrate the beam or it won't be hunky dory.
Correct. But realize I didn't say to use the 1.5-inch nails in the angled shear holes. I was simply showing the 1.5 nails as being one of the fasteners made by Simpson Strong-Tie. That's why beginning at 0:29 in the video I say, " ....there are two major manufacturers and they tell you how to use them." This video was not intended as a definitive How-To-Install Joist Hangers. It was an overview video from 35,000 feet. Anyone can look at any instructional video and always comment that some aspect or information was left out. What I always suggest to UA-cam commenters who point out oversights like this is to get out their video cameras and make a video that covers all the missing points. Then upload it since they have a UA-cam channel. I then ask them to please come back here to this spot and share the URL so the missing information is available. Guess what? In the twelve years I've been posting UA-cam videos not one commenter has ever done that. Maybe you'll be the first. It's far easier now to shoot video, just about every smart phone is a HD video camera, than it was when I created this video. Please shoot a video telling all everything about joist hangers, the fasteners, etc. and post the URL here. You'll do everyone a favor.
Please read my comment below. I always ask commenters like you to submit the correction video since you think it's a good idea. Tape it, upload it to your channel and then come back here and paste in the URL to it. We all will thank you for the effort.
For the full published capacity, the LUS210 requires 10d common nails (0.148" diameter x 3" long). However, 10dx1 1/2" nails can be used to the header only (full length 10d commons are still required for the double shear joist nailing) with a load adjustment factor of 0.64. - Simpson Strong Tie You are correct. The 10dx 1 1/2 nails are permitted on the header and the #9 2 1/2 SD screws are also permitted for the double shear joist. My apologies.
No worries. I went to a fantastic full-day training seminar put on by Simpson for contractors and building inspectors. The current trend is to eventually phase out the nails because they eventually fail. The repeated wet/dry cycling of outdoor wood causes cracking around the holes and the holding power is greatly reduced. It's better to forget about nails altogether and just use their structural screws. If you ever see one of these FREE seminars / training sessions in your area by all means attend it. I discovered much going to it.
All good points. I'm also appreciative of those who invented structural screws because if I never have to remove another joist hanger nail, it will be too soon!
I could be wrong but I think it's because 2x4s aren't really supposed to be used as joists since they're so small and the hangars for 2x4s are usually just used for fences.
@@askthebuilder Thanks. Unfortunately their angled solutions are about 10x the price of the right-angle solutions, so I was wondering if there's an alternative. Can I just nail through the beam into the joist?
@@AidanSkoyles The power is always in the question. You can do whatever you want. As for me, I'm going with an engineered solution that I know works. I'm happy to go into great detail about options over the phone with you: shop.askthebuilder.com/15-minute-phone-or-video-conversation-with-tim/
@@askthebuilder I've watched builders use 1 1/2" hanger screws . Now you're saying that 11/2" isn't long enough. I'm going to have to pull the penny nails and replace with longer faster
@@huejanus5505 Final say??? The person installing the hangers. Now, are is that person FOLLOWING the code, install instructions, etc.??? That's the issue.
It sounds like your recommending "1 1/2 inch joist hanger nails" to use for toenailing through the side flanges to connect the joist to the header beam. Only longer nails like 10d nails will actually penetrate both the joist and the beam. 1 1/2 inch nails will never reach the beam.
@@askthebuilder It was a great video. Quick and to the point with many details needed. I see the point of some comments. Although you said to get the right kind of fastners, the proper length needed could have been more emphasized.
Hmmmm.... I've never seen in the Simpson Strong-Tie installation instructions that you're supposed to install screws with a hammer. Can you share what would inspire you to do such a foolish things stripping out the treads in the wood?
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Ask the Builder lol.....ima poor person hence making it myself. But your videos are top. Very well explained and easy to understand and you sound friendly too. Keep up the good work 👌
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Nice job, but your leaving out the proper length of the nails going into the angled section of the hanger. The joist hanger does not serve any purpose unless this area is properly secured.
Hmmm. That's strange. When I re-watched the video it was super clear to me at 1:02 what length to use. It's right there on the label of the box. Did you miss that or did it not show up on your monitor? Crazier things have happened!
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Good job. Maybe want to mention that the 2 tabs at top can be hammered in to affix the Joist Hanger to the rim joist for easy follow up hanger nailing.
I believe the requisite amount of appropriate joist hanger fasteners should be included in the packaging to preclude possible misuse of other fasteners. I hold no brief for attorneys, but just makes common sense to me. Happy Holidays.
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I'll be honest, I've built a number of garden buildings, installed roof windows, loft hatches and a new staircase in my family's houses, and have never heard that you should use nails or structural screws in joist hangers. I have always just used standard 4x40 wood screws. And I've only ever put 4 or 6 in a bracket, never filled all the holes.
I'll be honest. It might do you a world of good to READ the written installation instructions provided by Simpson Strong-Tie for their joist hangers. Have you ever done that? www.strongtie.com/resources/product-installers-guide/landing
@@askthebuilder I've always just bought hangers from my local hardware store. They don't come with any manual I wouldn't have read it if it had done. It's a glorified angle bracket as far I was concerned.
I learnt all my DIY skills from my father, who swears by screws and detests any form of nails. Your video highlighted some errors in the way I've been taught and I will now use the appropriate fixings in joist hangers going forward.
Great video answered my questions without all the extra hunky-dory crap thank you
Thank you for the comments about using structural screws. Thank you, thank you.
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Read the nail length as some wrote below: the joist nails need to be 10D 3" long Minimum! (3 x .0148). If not 3" or 3 1/4" long you are not fastening to the header.
Those nails were just to show you what approved joist hanger nails look like.
I believe the confusion comes in with the angled section being the same 2 1/2 screws or nails. If your using the same length no problem, however it has always been my understanding the angled screws are longer. Also note that code enforcement has different requirements in different areas concerning length so people should be aware of that.
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If you use those short 1-1/2" tico nails on the angled double shear holes they won't reach the beam. Those should have a 10d common 3" in order to reach and pentrate the beam or it won't be hunky dory.
Very good observation. This guy should update the video.
Correct. But realize I didn't say to use the 1.5-inch nails in the angled shear holes. I was simply showing the 1.5 nails as being one of the fasteners made by Simpson Strong-Tie.
That's why beginning at 0:29 in the video I say, " ....there are two major manufacturers and they tell you how to use them." This video was not intended as a definitive How-To-Install Joist Hangers. It was an overview video from 35,000 feet. Anyone can look at any instructional video and always comment that some aspect or information was left out. What I always suggest to UA-cam commenters who point out oversights like this is to get out their video cameras and make a video that covers all the missing points. Then upload it since they have a UA-cam channel. I then ask them to please come back here to this spot and share the URL so the missing information is available.
Guess what? In the twelve years I've been posting UA-cam videos not one commenter has ever done that. Maybe you'll be the first. It's far easier now to shoot video, just about every smart phone is a HD video camera, than it was when I created this video.
Please shoot a video telling all everything about joist hangers, the fasteners, etc. and post the URL here. You'll do everyone a favor.
Please read my comment below. I always ask commenters like you to submit the correction video since you think it's a good idea. Tape it, upload it to your channel and then come back here and paste in the URL to it. We all will thank you for the effort.
For the full published capacity, the LUS210 requires 10d common nails (0.148" diameter x 3" long). However, 10dx1 1/2" nails can be used to the header only (full length 10d commons are still required for the double shear joist nailing) with a load adjustment factor of 0.64. - Simpson Strong Tie You are correct. The 10dx 1 1/2 nails are permitted on the header and the #9 2 1/2 SD screws are also permitted for the double shear joist. My apologies.
No worries. I went to a fantastic full-day training seminar put on by Simpson for contractors and building inspectors. The current trend is to eventually phase out the nails because they eventually fail. The repeated wet/dry cycling of outdoor wood causes cracking around the holes and the holding power is greatly reduced.
It's better to forget about nails altogether and just use their structural screws. If you ever see one of these FREE seminars / training sessions in your area by all means attend it. I discovered much going to it.
All good points. I'm also appreciative of those who invented structural screws because if I never have to remove another joist hanger nail, it will be too soon!
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Great video! The 2x4 joist hangers I got don't have diagonal holes. Is that because they aren't needed for 2x4's?
I could be wrong but I think it's because 2x4s aren't really supposed to be used as joists since they're so small and the hangars for 2x4s are usually just used for fences.
Could be a sub-standard hanger. If you want FREE unlimited tips like this each week, subscribe to my newsletter at www.AsktheBuilder.com
Thank you so much for the information!
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Any tips for non90 degree connections between joist and beam?
Sure. Go to the Simpson Strong-Tie website. Look at all their products that will solve your problem.
@@askthebuilder Thanks. Unfortunately their angled solutions are about 10x the price of the right-angle solutions, so I was wondering if there's an alternative. Can I just nail through the beam into the joist?
@@AidanSkoyles The power is always in the question. You can do whatever you want. As for me, I'm going with an engineered solution that I know works. I'm happy to go into great detail about options over the phone with you: shop.askthebuilder.com/15-minute-phone-or-video-conversation-with-tim/
Can you use 10 penny nail 1 1/2" to fasten the hanger to the ledger ?
Absolutely positively NO. Re-watch the video.
@@askthebuilder I've watched builders use 1 1/2" hanger screws . Now you're saying that 11/2" isn't long enough. I'm going to have to pull the penny nails and replace with longer faster
@@askthebuilder Who has the final say on what fasteners can be used, the manufacturer or structural engineers?
@@huejanus5505 Final say??? The person installing the hangers. Now, are is that person FOLLOWING the code, install instructions, etc.??? That's the issue.
It sounds like your recommending "1 1/2 inch joist hanger nails" to use for toenailing through the side flanges to connect the joist to the header beam. Only longer nails like 10d nails will actually penetrate both the joist and the beam. 1 1/2 inch nails will never reach the beam.
I never said to do that in the video. You're projecting that thought.
@@askthebuilder It was a great video. Quick and to the point with many details needed.
I see the point of some comments.
Although you said to get the right kind of fastners, the proper length needed could have been more emphasized.
@@ProBrosMac Great point. When you do ad-lib videos with no script and *no budget*, oversights happen.
I screwed them halfway into wood and hit them with a hammer. They are almost as brittle as decking screws not nearly as flexible as a nail.
Hmmmm.... I've never seen in the Simpson Strong-Tie installation instructions that you're supposed to install screws with a hammer. Can you share what would inspire you to do such a foolish things stripping out the treads in the wood?
@@askthebuilder lol. I didn't install with a hammer. I hit laterally with a hammer to test brittleness and flexibility. Not very scientific though
Thanks Tim!
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Great information... why is it so hard for code to understand this?????
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thank you!
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Can you use Deck Screws to fasten the hangers if so what size do I need
NO!!!!!! Deck screws are NOT structural screws. Use approved Simpson Strong-Tie STRUCTURAL deck hanger screws.
Ask the Builder. I need to cost to replace 90 2x8 joists hangers
100% NO regular deck screws do not the rated sheer value.
How many inches should I go when putting my 4by4 post for a screen deck
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Ahhhh man. Come to london and lets do my decking together
Do you need an address to send my round-trip first-class tickets and the check for my other expenses? ;-)
Ask the Builder lol.....ima poor person hence making it myself. But your videos are top. Very well explained and easy to understand and you sound friendly too. Keep up the good work 👌
Ahsan, TNX for your kind words. I'd love to come to the UK and would be happy to work for a day on your deck with you if I could make it happen. Money is an issue for all of us. Trying to make more videos for you.
Nice job, but your leaving out the proper length of the nails going into the angled section of the hanger. The joist hanger does not serve any purpose unless this area is properly secured.
Hmmm. That's strange. When I re-watched the video it was super clear to me at 1:02 what length to use. It's right there on the label of the box. Did you miss that or did it not show up on your monitor? Crazier things have happened!
Humm the box of screws said 1.5. BUT What dose the box of joist hangers say? My joist hanger box said 10D- 3" nails
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Now I know. Thanks.
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Amen.
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