IK Multimedia ToneX ONE: what about Latency?
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- With this video we will share a detailed latency test of the IK Multimedia ToneX ONE. I hope you enjoy!.
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⏰Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
0:37 - Latency ToneX ONE
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These latency tests are a fantastic info. Thanks :)
You are welcome and I'm happy that you find the video interesting!
Can't wait to hear you use the Tone X One in some demo songs and compare it to other modelers and against its big brother. Our worship leader bought one this week and I played thru it Thursday night. I was very impressed. Had a profile of a full rig with all amps, IR's and effects and it sounded glorious. It was actually almost too small 😂 God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸
Thank you!
Yes, this profiles loader sound very good...and it is so tiny and small...impressive to have such cool tones in such a small device....
For small integrated processors, connecting the USB will use up a bit of processing "power" as the processor has to keep checking what is going on (even if nothing really) on the USB interface. So I'm not surprised that connecting USB causes the rest of the audio processing to slow down a bit.
These are really useful videos.
Thank you for sharing and I'm really happy that you appreciate these videos!!!
Was waiting for this one! Thanks Leo!
You are welcome!!!
We dont talk enough about latency in this digital latency. Although imperceptible…i do believe it is part of the unease that some players feel when going digital. Great video. Thanks.
You are welcome and thank you for sharing!
Wow. Thanks again for you very thorough testing!
You are welcome!
exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
You are welcome!!!
Another solid video addressing key points that get ignored elsewhere, thanks!!
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!
Thanks Leo. A fascinating upload. I have the larger Tonex and do sense its latency. I expected this amazing little version to be similar technically but no. Weird!
I actually think latency not changing between pedal engaged and not is a good thing: latency is a bummer but at least constant latency is easier to deal with.
So i'm now thinking of selling the pedal and buying this super-tiny version.
You are welcome and thank you so much for sharing your experience and your findings!
Awesome video with useful information that nobody talks about.
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you've appreciated the video!
Thanks for checking he latency. I will use the ToneX One pre-filled with a few amp profiles and nort changing anything going in to a H9 so the latency will be manageable.
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Yes, I do agree!
Thanks, Leo. Latency affects us all, but only some of us know it. You’re doing a great service shedding much-needed light on the topic
Latency certainly affected me. Before taking up digital effects I used to be young, slim and handsome......
@@digitalchris6681 I understand. I had a better tan.
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you appreciate the videos!
Thank you Leo, your tests are always very interesting. As the latency of sound through air from speaker to ear for eg 2,5m already is more than 4 ms, these values are very good. The numbers are most valuable when, as you did, different digital devieces are combined. To discuss equipment on the basis of difference in ms shows me that we live in really glorious times :) When I had my first electric guitar and amp I had to think about how to avoid a bent fret and not switching to the bridge pickup because it made your ears bleed :D
You are welcome and thank you for sharing your experience and your findings!
I knew you'd check the latency, Leo. Thank you!
You are welcome!!!
The "Latency Sum Up" is an important metric, as the accumulated latency can make a complex/multi-component signal path an undesirable playing experience. I am sensitive to latency, and that's part of why I use a single Modeler for my guitar tones.
Thanks for another video with valuable information to consider.
You are welcome and thank you for sharing your experience and your findings!
Thanks Leo!
You are welcome!
Brilliant video, thank you for doing this! Your figures come up slightly lower than IK's estimates (3m/s for ToneX, 1.5m/s for ToneX One) - I assume they're being conservative. Low numbers anyway. The only issue really is that because the latency can vary slightly, this can affect the phase when you have more than one and they're running in parallel. I understand IK are working on creating a 'fixed-latency' mode for a future update. I hope you don't mind me quoting your video in my video on the same topic. You're the man Leo!
Thank you Jon!
I measure 3ms for the ToneX pedal with the previous FW...with the last one (1.2.3) the latency seems to have been improved...so maybe they are still advertising the old value. As regards the 1.2 - 1.5...I notice a slight variation according to the profile you use... I have checked out some of them and (but not all)...and the worser one had 1.4 ms of latency...so maybe there is another one with 1.5...nonetheless, as you said, 0.1 ms of difference maybe be just due to rounding....
No problem if you quote...thank you so much!!!
@@LeoGibsonGtr I imagine you're correct about them quoting the old latency value. Hopefully they're able to create the possibility of locking the latency for those of us using two for biamping! All the best Leo, amazing work!
@@LeoGibsonGtrI recently measured again the pedal after some months. I also measured 2.2ms but with an empty chain. With an amp/cab capture I had the 2.9ms again. I cannot recall if it was before or after the latest FW update. So did you measure any specific chain? Maybe you can make a short video on the updated firmware. By the way, your video was great!! Thank you!
great Info Leo, can't wait to hear it on your pedal board resemble the Plexi or a Fender❤
Thank you so much!!!
Great review.
Thank you so much Adam, I'm really happy that you like the video!!!
Gracias Leo, esperaba este vídeo. Una ventaja que le veo, y por el precio es un plus, se puede usar dos tonos uno en paralelo, así tendríamos dos amplificadores, y la latencia seguiría siendo de unos 1,2 milisegundos.
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Yes...good points...
Thank you for this video! I've been interested in the ToneX One as a boost or overdrive pedal, but the lack of true bypass has me questioning that decision.
As an always on amp modeler the latency shouldn't be an issue, but as a pedal modeler that may be not so good like you said. I will use my ToneX One as an amp modeler and boost/overdrive fully analog in front.
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks Leo! I think this will a great way to audition lots of fuzz and OD pedals. Hopefully my favourite will be cheap and I’ll buy the real one 😊
You are welcome and thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Great Vid
Thank you sooo much!!!
Btw, in case you've missed it, Hotone Ampero II Stomp had a big firmware upgrade lately (version 2.0). They finally added scenes functionality and a few other things from Ampero Stage. Maybe it would be interesting for you to cover this update on your channel.
Hi, yes, you are right, I should check it out.
Thanks!
Hi Leo, which captures did you use for measurement? I read 1.15 ms in bypass, but between 1.98 and 2.4 msec. with the captures playing. I used three different clean amp captures to get the most reliable latency reading.
Thank you as always/
You are welcome!
Thanks
You are welcome!!!
Thanks Leo! Is there a lot of background noise when using the pedal alone with headphones?
The larger version is unfortunately very loud with humming and noise. Just like many similar products that do not have their own grounding like the kemper player. I am still looking for a quiet product for playing only with headphones 😉
Hi, I have not check out how it sounds with headphones....maybe in the coming days!
Thank you for your suggestion!
Thanks for this video! Just to clarify, does this latency affect the signal passing through the pedal? So what you play is delayed until it reaches the output??
Yes the sound going through the pedal is delayed by the amount of latency that he has measured.
Yes. Here you can find more info: ua-cam.com/video/oU0-_3Hub9o/v-deo.html
great video as usual: in the pecs Ik multimedia indicates : "Dry Path totalmente analogico Bypass true o soft selezionabile" , maybe there is a way to set true bypass and not having latency when not engaged?
Thank you Matteo!
May I ask you where did you find that info? I've not found it in the English user manual and neither in the English Web Site. Nonetheless, maybe there is a way....but I was not able to find it...or maybe there will be a firmware upgrade. In my test, when I switched the pedal off in stomp mode...the latency didn't change...that in my opinion means that the pedal goes still through some A D A conversion.
Thank you!
@@LeoGibsonGtr I also adressed this question, but regarding the big ToneX Pedal - the support answered: "The "True Bypass" option is not available in TONEX. It works in "Soft Bypass" only. We had a wrong infos on the Website which is going to be fixed."
Thanks for posting your test results. Take away for me: don't worry about the latency as it's really good, but it's not true bypass - the biggest drawback for chaining pedals. The workaround is putting it in a loop switcher, but that's a bit of a hassle, isn't it?
You are welcome!
Yes, a switcher is a possible solution...and you are right....it's a bit of an hassle....
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you leo! regarding the extra latency when connected via USB: Is that roundtrip latency by using the pedal as interface and then hearing the capture back as we would do using another interface?, I'd like to see how it compares to other popular interfaces by playing captures when using it as audio interface, I think this pedal is great for a travelling rig, I usually carry a travel headless guitar and an iPad and use the iRigHD2 as interface, with this I can use it also as interface and also get the great ToneX profiles on top
Hi Alex, you are welcome!!!
I measure the latency with the padal connected via its analog out...therefore the incremental USB latency shouldn't be related to some signal round trip. Maybe, when connected via USB, there are some more calculations to be done....honestly I don't know....
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thanks Leo, if you do more tests it'd be great to see its latency as audio interface as I can't find info about it, I'm interested in knowing if it supports different sample rates as audio interface
Hi Alex, the latency of the audio interface (if I understand correctly what you mean) depends on the power and the buffer used by your computer. That's why it's difficult to provide with absolute numbers, as it depends.
Thank you!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Hi Leo, thanks for replying again, yes, I know that depends on the computer, I meant comparing this ToneX One to other popular interfaces, for example, the Scarlett Solo 3rd gen at 48kHz and 64 sample buffer has a roundtrip latency of 7.5 ms, that's average for similar interfaces and the higher the sample rate or smaller the buffer the less latency depending on computer power, that's why I asked if this supports different sample rates too as on IK Multimedia's webpage it says USB interface only supports 24bit-44.1kHz
Could there be any latency added by the PA/monitoring system? I've noticed that some active monitors have these integrated DSP tools (EQ etc)
Hi, if the PA system has a A D A conversion (Analog to Digital and Digital to Analog) for sure they introduce some latency. EQ can be all analog, but if they are done via DSP, thane there is an ADA conversion and then there is a latency.
Thank you!
It might affect phase if the latency changed for off/on.
Good point.
And I reckon, although ANY latency is bad, better to have a constant amount.
If you are gonna run multiple tonex pedals you should use the big one as all the distortion pedals and the little one as an amp. You can then have 3 pedal options without the extra latency. And if you want to stack, you can just capture stacked pedals.
Thank you for sharing!
To me, having a constant latency, regardless of whether you turn one or more off, makes sense, so the response will be consistent no matter how you stack them.
Thank you for sharing your opinion.
Fun fact about latency: I can feel super noticeable latency standing right next to a 4x12 cab vs headphones (the same cab miced with sm57)/ Headphones are much faster. The sound sucks in comparison but it is actually unnaturally uncomfortable fast. I can also play without any problems with latency +-12ms (gig performer on a laptop running neural amp modeller/N.A.M.) lol. The sound of a real cab next you even at 75/80db still sounds incomparably godly. You will never match it with anything less than a real thing. When miced? It doesn't really matter/. Digital stuff has almost every other advantage you can think of but it will never sound as good as the real thing (not miced so again... super limited use; in my case it inspires the hell out of me to write a new song). I still have some personal tests to do but NAM with peavey 6505+ profile sounds a little better recorded than my Bugera 6262 but it doesn't produce as much inspiration when building a riff into more riffs and eventually into a song. Still need to test this theory more thoroughly though. I have barely finished my 1st song/
Thank you for sharing your experience and your findings!!!
Why are you using commas instead of full stops for the milliseconds? Eg 0,6 instead of 0.6
Very impressive number, 1.2ms.
Yes, it's a very good value.
Thanks!
I’ll stick with my Kemper and Quad Cortex thanks. I have long given up playing in front of a computer and using a PC to adjust and set tones. I suppose this might be useful for folks who only ever use a couple of tones.
Thank you for sharing!
maybe somebody should mention the latency of an for example fractal unit or neural dsp
in this territory nobody will notice the latency but everybodys going mad for that numbers
as leo just said its good .... not to mention some other pedals you may have in your signal chain without even noticing thats its not ´so called´true bypass. besides that fact most of the time the latency is a result of your computer
when its only about latency maybe the boss 1000 will win this by the way ....but the tone is another story :)
IR-X/D please.
...these are very expensive....let's see if I will be able to get one in the coming days...
Thanks!
Frankly dude you have a lot of free time to waste doing such stoopid research and testing over training your guitar skills. Typical hater comment who absolutely doesn’t understand gear IS INSPIRING and help to explore the guitar playing.
Thanks to Leo to be the most useful and at the same time enjoyable guitar related UA-camr ever ❤
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