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Hello, there is a channel named Cambrian Chronicles, they cover welsh history, which can complement your Anglophilic self
I second, I started watching them recently, they are very good
There’s so much on that channel Chris would adore, I’m kind of surprised he hasn’t gotten around to CC yet.
While it is a good channel, I’m not sure what Chris can bring to it, perhaps just saying what’s happening in England at the same time?
@@GlidusFlowers you're right, since the channel covers some niche things, but one video that comes to mind is the Welsh dragon origin video. Chris can talk about the Tudor family, how history is written down, or what you said about what was happening in England at the time.
That would be nice fpr my "kymrophilic"? (like anglophiliac but with all things welsh) self
Imagine being Henry the 7th and see your bloodline go downhill this badly.
I mean, the Tudor dynasty ended, but every monarch in the UK for the last 500 years has been his descendant.
@@VloggingThroughHistory point taken
@VloggingThroughHistory Yup.....the crown went through the decendants of his oldest daughter
@@VloggingThroughHistoryI could be mistaken, but isn’t Diana a descendant of Anne Boleyn? Meaning that when William becomes King a descendant of both Henry and Anne will be on the throne again?
Well, he didn't know that his first born Arthur was going to die at such a young age, did he?
12:41 Fun fact: there was another reason why Wu was summon to Gaozong. You see Emperor Wang was also having a bit of a rivalry with the Consort Xiao who manage to make Gaozong a father. Jealous and fearing that her position was under threat, Wang suggested to Gaozong to bring Wu In the equation to end the rivalry. And unfortunately, both for Wang and Xiao, They would become victims of Wu.
If you want to more, I recommend two channels Extra History and Biographics.
"Not familiar with this one" - seen her often enough in Civ 5. Though not as bad as that Gandhi fellow with his nukes.
Or FGO, which also features Elizabet Bathory, many variations of her.
Gandhi on civ the most peaceful man really wants peace and quiet! On civ 2 I've tried to complete the forever war if you never seen it check it out!
Hi! This is Laura the one you made the video for! I've been watching your channel for about 2 or 3 years now and I really enjoy the content and the discussions about history! You brought back my love of history when it was dying off and I've been a fan ever since!
A series of Wu Zetian vid was made by extra credit btw if anyone is interested in checking it out
I was about to post the same thing. It is a good series.
There is also the two part series created by Xiran Jay Zhao (though keep in mind, that series is made by a pro-Zetian fan) that adds a bit more on to the details
In the Sniper Elite: Zombie Army Trilogy final mission, the 3 evil corpses you need to sacrifice to the Hellmouth in order to defeat Demon Hitler are Elizabeth Báthory, Vlad the Impaler, and Ferdinand I of Naples. You find Elizabeth's corpse in a bathtub full of blood.
lol 8:30 "She ultimately got down with the sickness in 1558 at the age of 42. OH! WA! AH! AH! AH!"
Chris calmly proceeds ignoring Disturbed lyrics, "It was likely some sort of cancer, like ovarian cancer..."
9:45 Interesting fact: Wu Zetian's rise to power was so unheard of at the time in China that historians that came along a bit later in China quite literally didn't have words for it. The only word they had for what we would call an 'Empress' exclusively referred to the consort/wife to the Emperor. They didn't have a word in Chinese that carried the connotation of a woman ruling in her own right/name so they basically called her the "Woman Emperor."
King Henry Vlll was a bad husband and friend - but as a King he was successful and 'good' for the country.
Oh yeah definitely. Plus he did give us Elizabeth at least even if it was unintentional initially
I think Mary I gets an extremely unfair rap in general history. While her hatred of Protestants was well established, she was otherwise a very kind, gentle, compassionate Queen who was known for caring for her subjects - again, only those who agreed with her religious policy - and everyone who met her never had anything but the most glowing things to say about her modesty, courtesy and gentility. As well as her capability and intelligence. But she was also traumatised by her inability to become pregnant, something she desperately wanted, not just because of dynastic succession but she evidently craved to be a mother and provide for her children consistently in a way her parents couldn’t (and wouldn’t in her father’s case) for her. Even to the point of developing a phantom pregnancy because of how desperately she wanted that, which then put severe strain on her marriage with Philip whom she loved deeply but he never reciprocated.
In totality, I feel pity and sympathy for Mary. Her hatred of Protestantism did come from a genuine and sincere belief that Rome was the correct path because the Catholic Church was the only thing on earth which had never failed her nor abandoned her. She ordered some terrible things to be carried out in her name but… evil? Worthy of being put on the same as the others on this list? Absolutely not.
Plus Elizabeth was arguably worse once she took over.
@@jdotoz I wouldn’t say so, certainly not on religious policy. Elizabeth tried to maintain a tolerant stance towards Catholics and dissenters with an Anglican policy that could please most people. It was only after 1570 when the Pope effectively said it was moral to murder her that the harsh anti-Jesuit policy and enforcing of recusancy laws came into effect, with several Catholic plots uncovered during her reign showing that fear was at least somewhat justified.
On a personal level, I think Elizabeth was worse. More vain, pompous, egotistical and arrogant than Mary was, eager to entertain suitors but unwilling to yield power to any of them. Doesn’t mean that her achievements shouldn’t be counted, and the Tilbury Speech was the most important moment of the Tudor dynasty, but she was a very flawed person regardless.
@@Longshanks1690 I mean, you could go to prison just for attending Mass, and later on she essentially equated Catholicism with treason and punished Catholics for that instead of heresy. She had 130 priests alone executed, not even counting laymen.
@@jdotoz Again, after 1570, and her attempted initial policy of peaceful tolerance was proven to be unworkable in the new status quo the papacy created by putting a bounty on her head.
When it’s made possible that Catholics have a religious obligation to kill you, I think it’s at least somewhat understandable why Catholicism would come to be seen as synonymous with treason, as opposed to Mary who had no such excuse.
@@jdotoz Right, after 1570, when her attempted policy of toleration had proven ineffective with the Papacy changing the status quo so that Catholics now felt compelled to kill Elizabeth.
When it is now considered part of your religious obligation to remove Elizabeth from this mortal plane, I think Elizabeth is somewhat justified in viewing Catholicism as an active enemy of her regime.
You should Check Lindsay Holiday, she does history videos on royal and English history, as well as iconic families and women. She got one of Empress Wu
Empress Wu is considered the ONLY legitimately Empress to take the throne solely, as no female ruler would be acknowledged after her time in power. Chinese court activities can be dicey, cus you could be a concubine but be made a servant instead (Wu was a secretary).
Henery VIII also got Syphillis which eventually rotted his brain
I was literally about to hit send on a comment where I (very respectfully I must add) was about to correct you Chris on the legitimacy of Mary and Elizabeth as Henry's last wife convinced him to return them to the line of succession before he died. But just as I was about to hit post you covered it. One of the many reasons I love this channel
You should definitely check out the video "You don't descend from all your ancestors" by Marcus Gallo, I'm sure you'd find it interesting with your insight into your own ancestry!
18:21 Love the detail of the guard wielding a Dragon Spear from Runescape. Its special attack is to knockback your target, very fitting!
Love the Kingdom Hearts background music
A treasure trove of movie ideas and Civ characters
The Flashman novel where he visits Madagascar is excellent
Mary I did not get legitimazed under the rule of Henry VIII, she did that herself. She had parlement declare the marriage of her parents valid and therefor she was legitimate.
Henry VIII didn't consider himself a Protestant but he surely implemented Protestant policies for several years, e.g. "dissolve" (rob and demolish) monasteries, and supported a Protestant Archbishop.
9:45 I've studied Wu Zhetian quite a lot, and by all accounts she was a very capable ruler.
She was ruthless, to be sure, but really no more than the male emperors of the time.
She's a lot like Catherine the Great, in that she truly believed that she could do things better. She exerted increasing influence over her husband, but he had been sickly for most of his life and had been dying slowly for like 15 years.
Mary Mary quite contrary
How does your garden grow?
With cockle shells and silver bells
And pretty maids all in a row
Some people actually refer to the C of E as the Anglo-Catholic church as opposed to the Roman Catholic one!
Great video as always! If you'd like to learn more about Wu Zetien, there's a great 2 part youtube series focusing on her life by Xiran Jay Zhou (the author).
It's interesting to see how Wu Zetian's reputation seems to have been rehabilitated a bit in the last few years.
9:13 that’s the music from land of dragons in KH2
26:26 for those who don't know that is a vampire castle from Skyrim in the background
Women in ancient China are only recorded in history if they were a) married to a major figure as the primary wife b) some kind of exceptional poet or artist. And even then it's not a sure thing. They had extremely little power, less than in Europe because Chinese officials were expected to have multiple wives, it wasn't just the Emperor. Even low officials would be allowed around 3. Zhou is pronounced more like Joe.
I like how the Elizabeth Bathorty background at some points is Lady Dimetrescu castle from Resident Evil Village because she was clearly inspired by her.
I’ve had enough ! If you don’t react to Napoleon’s Marshals I’m going to start a revolution in the comment section!
I think Henry VIII had good reason to think the Pope would grant him a divorce because he had done so for Louis XIIs divorce from Joan of France. However, it wasnt quite the same because they were both French, whereas Catherine of Aragon was Spanish. Italy was being fought over at the time between France and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, who occupied Rome at the time. Charles V was her nephew.
Lots of Queens learning Super Mario World on the piano. I love it
3:40 Actually, there were reasons why Henry's marriage couldn't be annulled. They only had married under an dispense, as Catherine had been married to Henry's older brother Arthur. This meant that Catherine and Arthur had never consummated their marriage and hence Henry couldn't now argue that opposite. Also, given the many children Henry and Catherine had together (though only one girl survived beyond childhood) it was clear that Henry and Catherine had consummated the marriage and lived together as husband and wife for many years.
Political pressure might have prevented the Pope do annull the marriage anyway but in the process it pressured him to make the right decision. Hence, it is false that the marriage was not dissolved only because of politics.
You ever get the feeling that "No one expects the Spanish inquisition!" may soon join the ranks of "Catch 22" and no one will remember where the phrase spawned from?
Or "Cloud 9", I forgot about that one. Some of us know, and we can all ask the Internet, but how many people know off hand? How many of us only know because we looked it up, or had them nurdsplained to us by the real life "Well, actually" guy we know?
Kind of crazy I guess, but after the VTH guy explained where the "No one expects" line came from.
No shade though, I just realized that I don't know where the phrase "Catch 22" came from.
There's a great podcast called Rex Factor that ranks all the kings of England. They finished it with a playoff style match. After that they ranked all the consorts from Alfred the great's wife to Prince Philip. I think you'd like it.
Extra History made a 5 Parter on Wu Zetian
Yeah it's pretty good
15:37 Hey now, the Madagascar movies are great
I mean, when you think about it, qui Gon is basically Jedi Jesus.... He was the first one to figure out how to be a force ghost, just saying....
I feel like it was a joke about the joke of a picture of Obi-Wan being confused for Jesus
@@Legacysong2012 that wasn't obi wan dude, that was qui Gon jinn. This the Jesus reference because qui Gon was the first Jedi to ever become a force ghost, i.e. resurrection
Great video, would love to see more from the channel!
13:10 It was most likely a case of crib death, possibly due to inadequate ventilation in the room where they were using coal as a heat source.
The stories of Wu strangling her own daughter came about around the same time as the claims that she had her rivals drowned in a vat of wine or that she had 12 lines of her husband's family tree cut down.
13:05 I have questions lol great timing.
Extra History did a really great series on Wu Zetian, would love to see a reaction to that at some point
9:14 Extra History did an entire series about her just 6 months ago. Can highly recommend.
24:23 oh, the lady of Čachtice [ˈt͡ʃaxcit͡se]! Čachtice are (yes, "are", since Čachtice are plural-only noun in Slovak language) in Slovakia and Slovakia was, sadly, part of Hungary at that time) we call her Čachtická Pani (the lady of Čachtice)
25:21 what did he say? Hungarian population? I would told that guy one thing: keep out of Slovak pubs and taverns.
26:33 three Hungarian names and the last one sounds (or seems) rather Slovak.
Oh wow I think this is the earliest I have ever seen one of your uploads 😂 let’s go 🎉
I wish someone would do a good video about Jezabel and Athalia.
love all the RS references!
Hey Chris, have you reacted to the Battle of May Island by Fredrik Knudsen? I think you'd find the history behind it as well as how horrifying the incident truly turned out to be.
This is horiffic but the runescape sfx really got me going.
I believe King H the 8th's mistress had a house near where I live (known now as Stoke Mandeville) arranged by H so he could visit her in secret. I saw it up for sale and thought it would be a great place to live...and look for treasures of old. 😅
One important part of the Elisabeth Báthory story is that she was the biggest creditor to the emperor, there was a pandemic at the time most of the girls in her boarding school died and her "accomplices" were tortured by the court.
She was the richest widow in the world at the time and had no heirs, it was common to burn women like her as witches to get their money, but as a countess she was too high up in the aristocracy to be burned as a witch.
And Elisabeth Báthory claimed innocents till her death.
The emperor never paid his debts.
A few things very wrong here.
First of, she had 3 kids living at the time, including a son who got everything. Her servants being tortured was also standard practice at the time and not really by the court since Thurzó made it very clear to his wife that his mission was to protect the Bathory family. It was never about getting money from her.
Standard punishment for her crimes would be to pay damage to the affected families(noble families naturally, killing peasants wasn't a crime) so again, if she had been declared guilty, King wouldn't get anything.
But Thurzó did it all behind closed door and made sure that Elizabeth would never stand trial to protect the family.
The king got nothing, Bathory still had all it's wealth and any debt if it even existed) would still be there but her family never came to collect nor did the king mess with her son or other family members.
Religious persecution might be a interesting theory(she was a protestant afterall) but even that theory is very weak.
@@TB688 ok, I checked again. She had one surviving son according to Wikipedia who was 12 years old at the time who later inherited the land and the titles, but the money that was given to the emperor was never returned.
@@motionpictures6629 Wikipedia is all over the place and is generally unreliable.
No money was ever given to the Emperor since again, he had no right to it. He was never an affected party and even if he was, she was never tried and found guilty so no punishment(aka a fine) could ever been handed out.
Not to mention that the whole thing about Emperor owing her money is most likely fake.
There are no reports from period that suggest that he had taken a loan from the family and the first time that was ever mentioned was from a discredited book from the early 20-century that never bothered to state the source on that. The book contains numerous other errors as well hence the book is discredited but for some reason that myth of the loan managed to survive and that discredited book is the source of it.
So no, there was no loan. The sad truth of it was, Elizabeth came from a inbred family(not uncommon by nobility at the time) with a history of insanity(again,. not uncommon, one tends to follow the other) and she either had a sadistic side from the start or developed it as she got older. She most likely didn't kill over 600 women but can be an issue since killing peasants wasn't a crime afterall so they wouldn't count those.
I'm a big fan of hers and I find her to be a fascinating woman and I too was so into the whole "she was innocent" story including the Loan myth.
But after more study, I'am more in the "guilty" camp now which makes her even more interesting really since it opens up so many more questions.
Why did she do it? How many did she kill? If she killed peasants which she was allowed to do, what made her change and go after nobles and break the law?
So many interesting questions.
@@TB688 Also.. some of the servants reportedly led investigators to the locations of some of the victims. Which they dug up and discovered her victims. The modern push to portray Bathory as an innocent victims is baffling.
@@NefariousKoel Well the servants claimed around 30-60 women but under torture and we know today that confessions under torture are usually terrible and unreliable. Which is probably one reason why that myth started.
And it is renaissance times and I do think alot of what has been claimed about her is exaggerated.
So I can see when looking at it from a modern perspective how that myth started to appear.
There is alot of "oh this can't real" in her story that people looking at other explanations that will make sense is understandable.
I did a paper on her years ago and many people thought I had just made up a character and I was firmly in the "innocent" camp at that time since no one had heard of her and the story sounded so outrageous.
I can excuse the killing, but calling the Madagascar series bad is a bridge too far!
Suggestion: Mr. Z's Balkanization Proclamation.
Right when he released his video on the same day I was looking up European history and came across Elizabeth Báthory lol. What a coincidence 😂. Especially because I found the channel because of you. Anyways some of the stories I read about her were that she was a lesbian who got sexual gratification from torturing girls. Which if true is messed up.
14:19 given how cruel people can be i would not be surprised if she actually did all those thing
Its said that the urinal was possibly invented around this time period, possibly from India. Though the first design was flat and on the ground for all to use.
I lean towards the belief that most of the stories about Bathory were at least extremely exaggerated.
Wait, the last one about her bathing in blood, because she thought it would keep her young, wasnt in noted until a century after the fact?
Hey Chris, was wondering if you have written/are going to write any history books? Would love to buy any you’ve already written.
VTH watches little baby get splattered with shocked look: "I have questions......" Me too, VTH. Me too..... and then "Elizabeth Bathory wasn't a queen, but her story more than makes up for it." Literally everyone who has heard the name: "We'll give you a pass."
React to Sam O’Nellas video on the great Emu war
Have you ever done a UK Prime Minister Tier list, and if not could you?
Interesting video
I’m pretty sure there’s going to be a comment “I can fix her”not me no thanks
Can you react to the video "Great people who weren't great"
Hey, Extra History and Historically each did a video about Wu Zetian and Jack Rackam did a video about Elizabeth Bathory. Maybe you could do a reaction to them.
Mary Tudor looks some what like greta thunberg
Wait, the last one about her bathing in blood, because she thought it would keep her young, wasnt in noted until a century after the fact?
Do you know how many history things repeat that part of the story? A LOT
Would love you to go see Prattville Alabama
Extra history China history next please
9:18 if you want more about how Wu Zentian came to power, check out XiranJayZhoa 3 parts how she became the soul female emperor of China.
Not to be confused with "History's Evil Kings and Their Evil Kinks"
React to ancient Roman history in 20 minutes by arzamas
On the topic about considering Bias of the source there's an interesting video by DJ Peach Cobbler talking about one of Bluejay videos.
Would love to see a reaction to it, the title is "Blue Jay was WRONG" (Don't pay too much atention to the thumbnail)
Please react to Wikipedias Missing King by Cambrian Chronicles
With Wu - did they possibly mean Empress Regnant
"their population of 5 million fellas was cut down to just 2 and a half million" Using "fellas" is so out of pocket, lol.
It always amazes me that back in the ye old tyme...women could rule an entire country when no men are around, but could not live on her own, run her own business, or vote in elections. It is the ultimate face palm.
I hate when Mary the first is picked on and given that horrible nickname she had a very hard time she didn't kill nearly as many Protestants as either of any of her father her brother or her sister killed Catholics
Yea Spain had control of Rome. So the pope couldn't give Henry a divorce bc Charles aunt was Henry's wife.
Come on a get down with the sickness nice
Qui bono? EMPRESS Wu.
Shane gillis Louis ck presidential podcast react please. I'm dying for it.
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man these jokes
R.Mutt 1917?
25:36 That's Why Donald Trump is Taking About The Blood Bath 🩸🛁
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Does anyone else find the channel's humor he's reviewing to be extremely cringy/not-funny? I mean it's an interesting subject, I just cannot listen to the narrator's jokes...
I'm only 11 minutes in but yeah I'm not a big fan of the humour. To me it comes across as his trying to hard. On a related note I'm considering stop watching Mr. Terry History. Because of his constant laughing and mumbling that adds nothing to the video while it's still running.
Most of it is not meant to be "haha" funny, it's just a style of presentation.
I understand that it might be grating to some because we're talking about the lives of actual people here, but I'm fine with it. I just view it like I would read an Asterix comic.
To me the episodes about the awful song we didnt start the fire or the ai songs were unbearable. But thats just individual taste.
@@NKDuisburg02 You just don't like music.
@@Donut-fr7is i love music but the song sux and the ai songs were bad imo
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