I think it's kind of interesting how different countries teach history to their students. While for Americans Europe kind of disappears after US comes into being, learning history in a Lithuanian middle school, we never really even mention US outside of Columbus discovering America, US declaring independence some point in the future and then suddenly becoming relevant when ww1 and ww2 rolls around. Outside of that it was pretty much all LIthuania and Eastern Europe in general. We didn't even focus that much on Western Europe outside of things like the French Revolution or the Renaissance and the Protestant movement.
Interesting. Here in America, more specifically Argentina, we se a LOT of stuff from the U.S. They were very involved in manipulating all our nation's politics in this continent, and every country got affected. The US is usually one of the center points in all topics in history. Interesting how that changes there in eastern Europe
I mean it makes sense. The country wants you to learn about history that is relevant to your country and doesn’t want you to get overwhelmed by things that have had virtually zero impact on your country. I mean in America, at least for me, we learned about ancient American civilizations all the way up until the rediscovery of America and then when England finally get colonies going we switch to just talking about England and those colonies and what led up to them being the country we are now. At my school, we learned a little more about Western Europe history but not to much and I didn’t hardly learn any Eastern Europe history after the Ottomans took over Constantinople.
Well I agree with you that each country school teaches their national history. But: it is impossible to learn the french history without knowing european history....including north American's
Here in the Philippines the Curriculum goes something like this 5th-6th Grade- Philippine History from the Colonization Era to the Modern Era 7th Grade- Early Civilizations of Asia: Mesopotamia, China, Indus WW1 WW2 Different Political Systems 8th Grade- Ancient Civilizations of the World: Mesopotamia, Sumeria, Akkad, Assyria etc Ancient and Classical Greece- The Myceneans, Minoans, Spartans, Athenians etc Ancient Rome- The Kingdom, Republic, Triumvirate, the Clothing, Fall of Rome etc The Dark Ages- The Church, Serfdom, the Bourgeoisies and the HRE The Renaissance- Writers, Doctors, Artists, the Protestant Reformation and Counter Reformation The 1st Wave of Colonization- England, France, Spain, Portugal and the Dutch 2nd Wave of Colonization- Scramble for Africa, different ways of colonization WW1 WW2 United Nations The Different Geopolitical Groups in the World- WHO, WBO, EU, ASEAN How the Different Asian Countries got their Independence
A great book series (though hard to find in English in some parts of the US), and I hear the movie is a masterpiece of the Renaissance/Swashbuckling era. And very enlightening regarding Imperial Spanish internal culture of the time.
In the Netherlands this period is actually seen as the most important. Because it not only includes the founding of our country (80 years war). But also our golden age.
It's interesting how different places has different ways of teaching history, in Brazil we pretty much stop studying about Europe during the 1500's to 1800's, then we see the french revolution and napoleonic wars, and come back to study or country again, with some quick history lesson about ww1, ww2 and russian revolution, like, we never see the Mongol Empire besides a few paragraphs, even less about India or east/South East Asia
As a swede and history buff this is the period I very much have a deep interest in. Modern Sweden starts in 1523 when we left the Kalmar union and started to become an Empire. The 1600s is the peak of swedish power with Gustavus Adolphus and the 30 years and keeps going until the Great Northern War with Charles XII and Peter the Great battling it out ending in Sweding loosing the empire and does not really have any major wars or conflicts after that exluding the Napoleonic wars. Another mans forgotten time period is anothers most important heh.
There is a campy alt history novel about American coal mining town ending up in the 30 years war. Gustav Adolphus is a major character in it. Due to that I devoured Swedish history as a kid. Love this time period purely due to Swedish bad assness
Yep as a Finn we also learn a lot about this time period, although as with school history definitely not enough about the wars and just more about the inner politics etc. Obviously we learn about the Hakkapeliitta cavalry though ;)
These "non-regulation" videos from AlternateHistoryHub are honestly my favourite ones. I especially liked his video on national anthems too. I think it's because they address why we find certain aspects of history appealing by giving relatable examples. Kind of like when you leave the cinema with your friends and just start mentioning things that happened in the movie as if you didn't all just see the exact same things.
@SeruraRenge11 How is he as a movie reviewer? I'm hoping for level headed and fair but I'm worried that it's gonna ruin him for me if he gets super biased when he steps into the creative realm.
@@GustavoRighetti _"its way harder to colonize the americas because the dinosaurs are still there along with giant magic frogs"_ Did you ever think you would actually utter such a line in your lifetime, LOL!?
The reason why this is: there is Over-Emphasized History and Purposely Ignored History. It is called "The Standard Narrative" where history forms a narrative as described in the video, but did you know (and Shhh, don't tell anyone, its one of those super-secrets of history) but stuff happens outside of whatever that narrative is focused on, and that stuff not focused on becomes the ignored part, and the part focused on becomes the over-emphasized parts of history.
The fact that I already knew a lot of what he talked about speaks volumes of how much my general history knowledge has improved since getting into online history content (especially podcasts!!) like yours and Cody's lol
@@primesonic4459I like a lot of long continuous narrative podcasts so my list looks like this: The History of Rome - Mike Duncan (Probably the best history podcast) The History of Byzantium - Robin Pierson (Made as a continuation of the History of Rome going into the byzantine period, with Duncans blessing so to speak) Revolutions - Mike Duncan The History of England - David Crowther (as told by some guy in a shed) The Pirate History Podcast - Matt Albers VTH also has a podcast, been a while since the last episode though, I hope we get more Dan Carlin's Hardcore History is one I haven't checked out yet but people say it's very good There are just a ton more and I will never finish them all lol
I have always loved and read about history, and I’m definitely not an expert but Chris always surprises me with something monumental that I can’t believe I didn’t know. This is the only history reaction channel I watch and look forward to every day. 10/10 content and one day he will do Epic History’s Napoleon’s Marshals.
When it comes to the whole “don’t say that this conflict is neat because it glorifies war and it’s crude” thing, I personally say anything prior to WW1 is fair game. Because those times are kinda cool, entertaining, and it gets people interest in history. Especially if that war gets turning into a tabletop game. Constantly crying about the humanity and how war is oh so terrible often just makes you look like a wet blanket and tends to turn people away from learning history. People already know, but it’s so long ago and alien that you might as well try to find some fun and entertainment in it and because you remember it more.
SandRhoman History also has a very cool video about the Byzantine-Sassanid War of 602-628, which kind of spelled the end for these two titans of the Middle East before the early Islamic conquests. And if that topic still interests you, there's always that Extra History series about Sassanid Persian king Khosrau (Justinian's nemesis) that is great.
I'll never forget years ago in High School World History, the first day of class, our teacher asks what sort of history we'd all like to learn more of (she was being so nice) and everyone said things like ww2, Rome, maybe some medieval, and I randomly said the 16th century. She looked kinda shocked, but I said there were so many important figures from Suleiman, Charles V, Henry VIII, Francis I, Ivan the Terrible, Martin Luther, Barbarossa, etc. Truly underrated
I'm thankful for Alternate History doing this video. It made me realize my love for the early modern period and helped me finally settle on a time setting for my worldbuilding project! Who could forget such classic events like the Defenistration of Prague? (the second one, I believe) And the Golden Age of Piracy? :D
Good luck with that! I'm in the middle of my own Worldbuilding project. If you want something to help build a history, I'd Recommend Mappa Imperium. It helps build a framework for a history
Problem with this period is not as much that it was forgotten, but the opposite. So much take place that people treat different aspects (Pirates, Samurai, Napoleon, Cowboys, late Knights) as separate entities.
Let's not forget a critical reason why American schools historically haven't focused on European history is to mitigate fighting between immigrants of various European ancestries, whether that be from the lessons causing fights among students, parents not liking what was taught, or parents not liking the balance of what countries were focused on. The immigrant nature of the US makes teaching other country's histories challenging.
Yes! SandRhoman History!! I've been quietly hoping you would check them out for some time now, they've one of my favorite history channels on youtube. Their coverage of the evolution of early modern warfare from pike formations, pike-and-shot, into the line formations we know and love is fantastic!! And indeed that is Viggo Mortenson. The film is 'Alatriste,' which takes place in this period during the height of the Spanish Empire. When I first heard of the film, I didn't know that Mortenson could speak fluent Spanish, which he does here. P.S. 'Old Britannia' is another fantastic up-and-coming history channel to check out too FYI
Another thing about this time period is that it also encompasses the Sengoku Jidai in Japan. Edit: You really need to react and check out Extra History's Sengoku Jidai episodes if you haven't already.
The actor that confused the historian (I'm so sorry, but forgot your name in the video), is acting in the movie Alatriste, which is a historical fiction movie set in the 30 years war that culminates in the battle of Rocroi where the protagonist is a sargeant or a commander of a Tercio, can't remember which; great movie
I knew little of the 17th century europe until I took a history course on early modern Europe in college. Really opened my eyes to a lot of how the modern era was formed. My high school didnt touch on it at all
The film with Viggo Mortensen is Alatriste, a very good movie set during the 30 years war between France and Spain. Interestingly, Viggo played his all part in spanish there. If you’re interested in this era, another great movie about the 30 years war is Cyrano de Bergerac (the French one with Gerard Depardieu)
I really love your reactions and I know that one day you will react to the Extra History series about Empire of Brazil. I have faith. The history of South America in general is quite neglected. Like in the 1860s when Solano Lopez had somewhat Napoleonic or Prussian ambitions for Paraguay and wanted to conquer more territories. It had to face Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay and in the end Paraguay ended up losing almost its entire male population. Argentina wanted to divide the territory of Paraguay with Brazil and Bolivia, but Brazil preferred to maintain a buffer zone between itself and Argentina.
@@cub-square Cortez isn't even in South America, it's North America (Mexico) Pizarro was the one in South America and the Inca Empire (Peru). But even European history would suck if everything in the text book was just one page about just one specific moment
28:10 also yes, that is Viggo! That’s the Spanish movie Alatriste based on a series of novels of the same name. It’s good if you’re into the time period but it’s in Spanish. I don’t know if there’s an English version. (Yes, Viggo speaks really good Spanish)
I am fascinated with 1500s geopolitics, continental wars, monarchs, imperial conquest, conflict. ESPECIALLY about Spain’s history from the reign of the Reyes Católicos/Catholic kings to the death of Felipe IV of Spain, who coincided with the Thirty Years War. Tiziano. Tercios invencibles. Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba. Every single war between Spain and France. The Spanish ascent in Naples, Milan and Italy. The adulteries and art love of Francis I of France. Elizabethan England. Suleiman the Magnificent. Don Juan of Austria and The Battle of Lepanto. Even more so “Bloody Mary” is a fascination of mine. The religious upheaval and changes in the reformation.
Here in the UK we have a strange attitude to this period. We get taught the English Civil War, but (in England, at least) not the broader context of the Wars of the Three Kingdoms which it existed in, we only barely cover the Reformation, and the wars on the continent are not mentioned at all - not even the Thirty Years War, the most devastating war in European history. The period only exists as a vague shadow in the cultural mainstream when we occasionally think about cavaliers and roundheads. However, you then have one of the most successful British IPs of all time - Warhammer - running with this period as its main inspiration, with the Empire clearly being heavily based on the Holy Roman Empire of the period. I genuinely believe Warhammer Fantasy has done more to introduce British people to late 16th and 17th century history than any school.
I posted on the original video, but if anyone is interested in learning more about the Early Modern Period in the Low Countries and the Netherlands, I highly recommend Beggars, Iconoclasts, and Civic Patriots by Peter J. Arnade.
For us in Puerto Rico, that period in history is one of the most talked about since our history begins the moment Columbus arrives and the Spanish colonization. Everything that happened in Europe affected us in America (specifically central and South America). We had people here fighting in European wars and veterans as governors and administrators and military leaders. Hell, our capital was attacked in 1625 during the 80 years war which most people associate solely in Europe! Basically, it is also one of my favorite time periods because despite being on the other side of the ocean, we are attached to the history.
He showed sooo many pictures of the Dutch Republic, Dutch nobles and 80 years war and not mention the Dutch Republic or 80 years war at all. :( The Dutch, always there, but always forgotten. :(
Hey vlogging don't know if you see this, but Korea:Admiral Yi - Mistakes is from the Extra History where they acknowledge mistakes and delve deeper. It's an amazing video that's as good as the original series.
@@VloggingThroughHistoryI've watched this video 3 times now (once myself, Mr Terry's reaction and now yours) and each time I've felt I don't remember a large part of the video so it's great seeing the different perspectives when you talk about a different part. Thanks for your dedication! (It must be quite easy to make small slips of the tongue)
@@VloggingThroughHistoryHello,fun fact about 1556,2.5k Croats fought 100k ottomans for one month,killed 30k off them,there Sultan Suloman died during the sige and we Croats forced them to delay sige of Vienna. Our leader was Nikola Zubic Zrinksi and he kicked ottomans but,praticly forcing them to retreat,even tho all of the defenders died at the end. Whit us not having anything,and Ottomans everything,WHITOUT Austrian help,so this would be cool if you do video on it.
@@VloggingThroughHistoryalso BDWY you should learn about how 700 Croats defeated 60k ottomans in battle of Sinj,I was talking about battle for Siget in og coment.
Finally seeing this months later and realizing that I missed it because you published it on the exact same day I went to the castle in Nuremburg. What a coincidence! That Holy Roman crown really is an impressive sight.
13:50 You are absolutely right, Chris. Poland się central Europe. As a pole I can say we're very touchy on this subject. Anyway, greetings from Poland. Hope you visit Poland one day. A lot of history there to discover and learn.
I have to remind myself, as you did, that wars have human cost. My son, who was disabled in Afghanistan is frustrated with my interest in historical wars and battles. He can't discuss these battles without hearing the sound of bullets hitting flesh or knowing what it is like to be in an explosion. He says that it is middle aged men like us who spend so much time on studying war because we didn't experience it.
I am really interested in war as a concept, but vehemently opposed to real war. I like military history, but it has also taught me how terrible war is.
I feel like your son is overlooking why we actually study wars, it isn't because we're obsessed or wish to fantasize about combat as a gloriously brutal affair, we do it because many of these battles and wars highlight and reflect the people who fight them. Or, at least that's why I find interest in studying these wars and events. A perfect example is vietnam. I still tear up thinking about the pointless death wrought by that war. But I learn about it and the atrocities committed nevertheless. Not because I like it, or find it fun, it's because I find that the war showed humans, more specifically Vietnamese people and Americans and their ideals and perspectives at the time. And how those ideals shift and change when dealing with the worst pains we are capable of giving. It's a peak into the the psyche of a common man, of a pair of nations, and of the governments and politics that brought them here
War is the singular event which has radically changed the face of the world. To study war is to study the history of mankind. While I understand your son's aversion to anything military, he does not need to be a luddite about it either.
I would say that putting Poland outside of eastern Europe is kind of a stretch. First of all eastern Europe is less of a geographic position and more of a cultural thing, most of geographical eastern Europe is just Russia and even then it's lots of not so densly populated territory, at the same time Ukraine and Belarus typically "eastern" countries claim to have Geographical midpoint of Europe within their borders. Countries being "eastern" comes shared history and some minor or major similarities in culture, not all of those are universal and not all of them have major importance in modern world, but nevertheless most of eastern Europe was invaded by Mongols, most of our countries had dealings with turks, most of our countries dealt with German expansionsim whether it was Teutonic Order, Habsburgs, German Empire, or Nazis, and most importantly of all all countries described as "eastern European" were on the other side of Iron Curtain or at least at some point aligned with Soviet Union (Yugoslavia and Albania), Greece is considered a birthplace of western civilization yet Bulgaria right next to it is not really seen as western country. In Poland there is insistance to not refer to our country as eastern European comes mostly from both of inferiority complex in a world that likes to insist on "West" being an perfect example to follow, a beacon of everything that is good and modern and on perception of being eastern as basically Russia and friends.
In Lithuania we have a somewhat new (started in the early 2000s gained prominence around 2009) historical movement that basically divides Europe into 4 “zones”: western (France, Germany, Britain..), central (Poland, Hungary, some Balkans), borderline (Finland, the Baltics, Belarus, and especially Ukraine) and then east - just Russia. They made up to major cultural groups: western, which has 3 first, and eastern - 1, guess which one. It says that the former lands of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (and what was then Finland - just limbo until Helsinki became an actual city in 16th century if I remember correctly) with the commonwealth in the future are the borders of Western European culture, cause we, despite speed running it, experienced some form of western feudalism unlike Russia. This theory also states that due to heavy russification Ukraine and Belarus got severed from west but not completely separated somehow and were in the 90s after independence ,again, in limbo and needed to make a choice. Ukraine chose the west, while in Belarus - Lukasjenka. The only thing now connecting it to the west is Litvinism movement, which is divided between moderates - wants to share the heritage of Grand Duchy equally and has support of Lithuanian historians (look the land until late 1500s and polonisation of upper Grand Duchy class and cities was divided into “Lithuanian-Polish-Latin, this is after the conversion although similar divide exist during paganism, and Slavic parts alongside Navahrudak (Naugardukas) )and wider intelligentsia, and radicals - entire Duchy with Dukes was Belarusian, Vilnius is theirs, we are just all Smagotians. I shred this, because I feel like most foreigners will find this stupid and want to see the actual result.
@@xenamorphwinner7931 I think that the main problem is inherent element of nationalism present in historiography our general (and rather justified) hostility towards russian state flavors how we portray our nations, it's simply easier to tell national history as a story and any story requires framing. We tie our national identity to entities that don't really correspond with modern understanding of a nation. It is especially aparrent in general education which tends to avoid any nuance in Poland we frame Angevin and Jagiellon rule as a conflict betweent "good" kings and "evil" nobles only to have the dynamic flip when the kings become elected (with a few exceptions). We might give careful consideration to what led "our" side to the war while casting opposing side as unjustified villains, I think the worst example in Poland is framing Polosh-Bloshevik War as this pure and heroic struggle, ommiting that it started by Poland trying to exploit ongoing civil war in Ukraine.
I disagree that politics and religion where always the same in that period. The thirty years war might have started as a religious war, but by 1635, 17 years into the conflict, it religion had become a minor aspect, with Catholic france on the side of protestant dutch and swedish side. With the 80 years war this was even more the case, with France and England being allied to fight the Dutch at certain times. And one can't forget France had a very important alliance with the Ottoman empire during the long Italian wars in the 1500's. They even did a joint invasion of the Corsica. Really, if you look at most of these wars in detail, it's clear that most leaders where pragmatic enough to put ignore religion when it wasn't to their advantage.
The first thing I always think of when I think of the 1500's is always Hernan Cortes. I know in the US we get hung up on "American history," but when you look at the history of the Americas, Cortes was probably the most influential figure in the colonizing of the continents. We look at US history and think how much the Germans, English, and Dutch influenced the formation of the country and its values. But literally everything south of Georgia was influenced by Spain.
The little I know about HRE "organization" is insane. The lords were split into 10 groups called circles, each circle being responsible for the defense of its territory. Should the circle deem it wise, they could petition two neighboring circles to join them, and do that for another two. Only then do they convene with the Emperor to figure out a national next step. Half the Empire's armies could be at war before the Emperor ever got a letter.
At its "peak," the HRE had more than 300 member states each tentatively independent of each other while the Emperor was an elected position. The empire was never a centralized empire with the Emperor little more than a figurehead, at times.
For 2:00 as a representation for the graduating year 2016 in Arizona. I did not have any years growing up where they taught specifically state history. It was either sprinkled in, or I learned in books, parks, and native Americans.
I was just about to recommend SandRhoman History to you again, when I saw that you uploaded a reaction to them just 5 hours ago. I consider myself blessed.
Can you do Kraut's first video? Can you also do Historia Civilis' Peace video? I would recommend watching Kraut's video in Realism afterwards. Really recommend watching those two side by side. I would love to hear your insights on their discussions of history in those videos. Their discussions are more profound than an average historical discussion to which your thoughts as a historian would be greatly appreciated.
@@dawoifeeHe does do history. But a lot of historical topics he covered can be political too. It's not mutually exclusive. I don't agree with all the points that Kraut makes but many of the things he made are more historically insightful than your average history video that's why I want to hear VTH's thoughts on the matter.
The biggest things in this period was the spanish english conflict as well as the conflicts surrounding the ottoman empire and the kingdoms of spain poland and austria or at least imho
Charles V wasn't actually that inbred, no more than other rulers of his standing. Rather, he was the epitome of Habsburg inheritance of lands through advantageous marriages. It's really after him that Habsburg inbreeding became prevalent, when a coalition concerned about his power forced him to divide his lands between his son and his brother, who'd respectively become the Spanish and Austrian Habsburgs. Those two Habsburg branches intermarried more often than not, and became progressively more inbred. So while the Habsburg Jaw of Charles V was probably not due to inbreeding, it was inbreeding that made it persist for centuries in the family line.
One of the biggest reasons Muskets/Arquebuses replace Archery/Crossbows in this time period is that "shot" is Cheap to build; has great Armor Penetration, and is Easy to teach. Bow-making (bowyery) is a serious, expensive craft, and it takes a couple _years_ to train a good archer (vs months for a shooter).
Chris, I have been a long time watcher, and subscribed I believe like the 3rd video I watched from you, I love your content and as a fellow Ohioian who is also a history nerd, I know from you saying you are in the North east that you are a couple hours from me, but I would love to make the trip to a safe coffee shop and buy you a coffee and chat
Absolutely with AlternateHistoryHub on this one. Europe was unhinged during that time. He doesn't even talk about the Netherlands winning its independence from Spain and becoming a world power on its own, and *barely* mentions piracy (both Caribbean and Mediterranean). Speaking of, the Pirate History podcast also delves quite a bit into European conflicts at that time, given that many of the losers of those wars sailed to the New World and became pirates as a consequence.
The main driver for the adoption of firearms over other missile weapons(primarily bows and crossbows but also things like slings maybe) was economics. It was easier to mass produce shot and gunpowder than the artisanal product that arrows and crossbow bolts are. A skilled archer or crossbowman was also the product of years and years of training, a lifetime in the case of the longbowman. So yeah, they are inaccurate and unweildy. But if you can train and equip a thousand arquebusiers for the same investment in time and coin that could net you a hundred crossbowmen, it made sense, particularly on battlefield increasingly dominated by ever bigger and bigger mass formations because pikes were incredibly cheap as well.
For a Swedish person like me the period from 1500-1700, specifically from 1523 (liberation from Danish oppression) to 1709 (Poltava) is the most important era. What happens before and after is not as important for us.
As a Spanish, I have to comment that in Spain it's the opposite since it was the Golden era of the Spanish Empire, which was the first Global Empire. The Spanish Tercios dominated the battlefields of Europe, and the gold flowed from America to Spain. It was also a Golden age for Spanish culture, with writers that completely defied the old tropes and built new ones: Francisco de Quevedo and Luis de Góngora both had prolific careers as poets, while Miguel de Cervantes' "The Ingenious Knight Don Quixote of La Mancha" completely parodied and played for laughs the old Chivalry novel genre, and the esteemed Félix Lope de Vega defied all conventions with his The Conman of Sevilla, which gave us the character of Don Juan Tenorio. When it comes to paintings, Diego Velázquez is amongst the top three painters in the period (some of the paintings that AlternateHistoryHub is using to depict the period are from Velázquez, namely "The Surrender of Breda" which depicts the surrender of the city of Breda to the Spanish forces is shown in 3:09). So, in Spain we remember that period a lot.
@@HotasianchickKind of? Both developed at the same time, and in large part due to the fact that both countries were Allies. In fact, in the late XVI century the Spanish king Felipe II also became king of Portugal, so both Empires were united during a century or so.
I have to take a little issue with this. Fransisco Coronado led the first Spanish army into New Mexico in the 1540's and the spanish town of St Augustine in 1560'. I'd consider Spain a European country so we definitely have European history before Jamestown.
In Brazil we study quite a lot about the 16th-18th century because Portugal was a main player up to Napoleon. Napoleon himself said only three “people” outsmarted him: Winter, Duke of Wellington and King Joao of Portugal. Joao was the only European king to ever go to a colony, he just left Portugal and made Brazil the capital when Napoleon came. Eventually Brazil gained its independence from his son, Dom Pedro when he refused to go back and proclaimed himself Emperor of Brazil. The fact he didn’t even mention Portugal shows how people dont know much about the time
@@Edax_Royeaux What? Have you looked at the clothes of the landsknecht, or french or spanish cavalry, ottoman Janissaries, etc. Not every war in this era was the english civil war with it's buffcoats everywhere.
Everyone’s history is important. We all come from somewhere. I love American history so I tend to study it more. 1620 is where it started for me so that’s were I’m at. ♥️🤷♀️
I have had a lifelong enjoyment of history, albeit with a Western bent (includes Middle Eastern ancient-early modern). Plus my social studies/history teachers were great in middle school and high school. My favorite periods have predominantly been ancient, early modern and 18th-19th centuries. So this definitely surprises me that the period containing the Protestant Reformation, the Thirty Years' War, the Age of Discovery, the beginning of European colonialism, the Tudor dynasty, Cromwell, the Glorious Revolution and the War of Spanish Succession.
This period of history also carries some of the best music in the repertoire. Tielman Susato, Montoverdi, Corelli, Torelli, Heinrich Franz Biber, JB Lully, Charpentier, Purcell, Telemann, Handel, Bach etc.
Yeah is Vigo Mortensen. Is a scene from a Spanish movie called the Adventures of Captain Alatriste. The story takes place during the 17th century in the Spanish Empire. Alatriste is a soldier in the service of King Philip IV of Spain during the Eighty Years' War. The story begins in the Spanish Netherlands, where his tercio fights in the Dutch Revolt. I do recommend the movie if you want to learn more about the Spanish Empire in its golden age.
@@lysimaquetokmok6755The movie show battles against the french, for example Rocroi, but those battles were fought during the Dutch Revolt also called the Eighty-year war
As an austrian the 1500s to the 1700s is really important. Protestant revolution, 30 years war, Ottoman conflict over Hungary and in a larger Habsburg context the height of global Habsburg rule
13:52 that's correct if we are looking at modern day Poland's borders, but in those times, they definitely had a bigger part of their territories in the Eastern side.
The Holy Roman Empire really falls apart from 1054-1231. In 1054, the 5 year old king, Henry IV and his French mother inherit the HRE causing a period of instability. In 1231, Frederick II signs the "Statute in favour of the princes" which is the nail in the coffin for the power of the Emperor in the Holy Roman Empire. After 1231, the HRE is a geographical expression and it makes more sense to tell the stories of the House of Welf, House of Luxembourg, House of Ascania, House of Habsburg, House of Wettin, House of Hohenzollerns, etc These families actually hopped around a bunch over the course of 500 years, gaining and losing territory constantly. They have quite interesting family histories.
Dead on right about this being a historical blind spot. It wasn’t until I took Western Civ 102, where American history was basically just a foot note, that I realized, “oh man, how did I never hear about this?”. I’m *really* glad I did, because Elizabeth I is SO dope. If I were a nobleman in the time, I’d propose and get rejected by her in a heartbeat.
PS? I teach Sunday school at my Church, and I always am super glad when the teens there take an interest in history, and especially WWII. But, I also have made it a point to gift them with EB Sledge’s memoir, just to put things in perspective and keep it from just being, “P-51’s are cool!” or something like that.
My 6th grade "social studies" class actually started history with ancient Mesopotamia (Sumer, Assyria, Babylonia) and I absolutely ate it up. I think about that class to this day
1500s-1700s was important era, not only known as early modern era but also the great divergence where balance of power shift from the east(Muslim, Indian and Chinese empires) to the west(Europe and America).
Well, for me in school 1500 to lets say 1750 were pretty busy. Starting of we had Martin Luther and the reformation, followed by some of the treaties etc in the 1550s to deal with protestants vs catholics in a non warring way. Then there is the 30 years war, followed by absolutism in France under Louis XIV., or how he is called in German, Ludwig XIV.. Another short jump and we arrive at the old Fritz and his campaigns against half of Europe and his reforms in Prussia before you are already warming up for the French revolution. That's like all of 8th and 9th grade history classes here
And this is why I have more than 5,000 hours in Europa Universalis IV. Anywhere in Europe and really the world is wildly interesting in the early modern period.
Videos like these make me realize just how great my public middle/high school social studies/history teachers were. Also, Queen Elizabeth died in 1603. lol
9:38-10:00 the most VTH moment. Well i noticed, that often in history lessons, are missed. Like while talking about Rome we dont talk about their main rival... Parthia, which had a golden age, during the III century crysis. The Rconquista of Spain, when they were using cannons to become a powerhouse of in XVI century. When you look into it, you may be surprised in what you find. And yes the Fantasy Warhammer is superior :D
I became unreasonably irritated when cavalry and Calvary was mixed up once. My poor wife had to listen to me ranting about "CAVALRY are horse soldiers! CALVARY is the place of Jesus' death!" Without skipping a beat she queried, "Are you sure that's the hill you want to die on?" Best response ever.
I wish you’d react to more of Montemayor’s WW2 videos, especially his Midway videos. Though I know you’ve already seen The Operations Room’s video on it, so it’s obviously not gonna have too much new. But given its length and being in three parts, it’ll probably still have some unique aspects about it.
One of the more interesting things about wars of the period for me is how something like 50000 scots fought throughout the 30 years war mainly in the service of other countries, despite Scotland only being formally involved for relatively brief periods
The English were great at making massive mercenary companies for their enemy's by being assholes to their neighbors. The Irish had The Wild Geese that fought for the Spanish under one of the last heirs of the Irish throne, during this time as well.
As a Canadian, we went pretty far into the 30 years war in earlier grades. I don't believe we covered medieval periods at all. We also covered Japanese history and some Chinese history (though it was just a touch of Chinese history). I can say that I would've loved to learn more about Eastern European or Middle Eastern history. Definitely a missed area.
A fellow Mount & Blade enjoyer, nice. The whole video reminded me of the forgotten stepchild of the franchise, With Fire And Sword, which is the onky videogame I know where you can experience that kind of warfare first-hand. By the way, I recently saw AltHistHub's video "The election that ruined everything" (been on kind of a binge of his channel lately), and I'd be curious to see your reaction and opinion on it. It's an older video though (about 5 years), maybe you've seen it already.
I think it's kind of interesting how different countries teach history to their students. While for Americans Europe kind of disappears after US comes into being, learning history in a Lithuanian middle school, we never really even mention US outside of Columbus discovering America, US declaring independence some point in the future and then suddenly becoming relevant when ww1 and ww2 rolls around. Outside of that it was pretty much all LIthuania and Eastern Europe in general. We didn't even focus that much on Western Europe outside of things like the French Revolution or the Renaissance and the Protestant movement.
Interesting. Here in America, more specifically Argentina, we se a LOT of stuff from the U.S. They were very involved in manipulating all our nation's politics in this continent, and every country got affected. The US is usually one of the center points in all topics in history. Interesting how that changes there in eastern Europe
I mean it makes sense. The country wants you to learn about history that is relevant to your country and doesn’t want you to get overwhelmed by things that have had virtually zero impact on your country. I mean in America, at least for me, we learned about ancient American civilizations all the way up until the rediscovery of America and then when England finally get colonies going we switch to just talking about England and those colonies and what led up to them being the country we are now. At my school, we learned a little more about Western Europe history but not to much and I didn’t hardly learn any Eastern Europe history after the Ottomans took over Constantinople.
It is such a shame though that if I want to learn history I have to go on UA-cam to learn more World History.
Well I agree with you that each country school teaches their national history.
But: it is impossible to learn the french history without knowing european history....including north American's
Here in the Philippines the Curriculum goes something like this
5th-6th Grade- Philippine History from the Colonization Era to the Modern Era
7th Grade- Early Civilizations of Asia: Mesopotamia, China, Indus
WW1
WW2
Different Political Systems
8th Grade- Ancient Civilizations of the World: Mesopotamia, Sumeria, Akkad, Assyria etc
Ancient and Classical Greece- The Myceneans, Minoans, Spartans, Athenians etc
Ancient Rome- The Kingdom, Republic, Triumvirate, the Clothing, Fall of Rome etc
The Dark Ages- The Church, Serfdom, the Bourgeoisies and the HRE
The Renaissance- Writers, Doctors, Artists, the Protestant Reformation and Counter Reformation
The 1st Wave of Colonization- England, France, Spain, Portugal and the Dutch
2nd Wave of Colonization- Scramble for Africa, different ways of colonization
WW1
WW2
United Nations
The Different Geopolitical Groups in the World- WHO, WBO, EU, ASEAN
How the Different Asian Countries got their Independence
28:10 yes, he was Viggo Mortensen, in the movie El Capitan Alatriste. I didn't view the movie, but the novels which are based are excelents.
The movie is pretty good. The final battle is incredible. I love Vigo in this movie.
A great book series (though hard to find in English in some parts of the US), and I hear the movie is a masterpiece of the Renaissance/Swashbuckling era. And very enlightening regarding Imperial Spanish internal culture of the time.
In the Netherlands this period is actually seen as the most important. Because it not only includes the founding of our country (80 years war). But also our golden age.
Same in Poland 1500s are the golden age, and we spend a lot of time on the wars of the 1600s
Same for Spain. It also includes our golden age DESPITE the founding of your country 😉😅...
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It's interesting how different places has different ways of teaching history, in Brazil we pretty much stop studying about Europe during the 1500's to 1800's, then we see the french revolution and napoleonic wars, and come back to study or country again, with some quick history lesson about ww1, ww2 and russian revolution, like, we never see the Mongol Empire besides a few paragraphs, even less about India or east/South East Asia
I was born and grew up in New York City. We learn a bit about the Dutch and Dutch history over here.
As a swede and history buff this is the period I very much have a deep interest in. Modern Sweden starts in 1523 when we left the Kalmar union and started to become an Empire. The 1600s is the peak of swedish power with Gustavus Adolphus and the 30 years and keeps going until the Great Northern War with Charles XII and Peter the Great battling it out ending in Sweding loosing the empire and does not really have any major wars or conflicts after that exluding the Napoleonic wars. Another mans forgotten time period is anothers most important heh.
I'm British-Swedish (half British and half Swedish). Naturally I'm interested by both British and Swedish history 🇬🇧🇸🇪
There is a campy alt history novel about American coal mining town ending up in the 30 years war. Gustav Adolphus is a major character in it. Due to that I devoured Swedish history as a kid. Love this time period purely due to Swedish bad assness
Yep as a Finn we also learn a lot about this time period, although as with school history definitely not enough about the wars and just more about the inner politics etc. Obviously we learn about the Hakkapeliitta cavalry though ;)
@@feartheamish9183 I read that series, they were pretty good books.
These "non-regulation" videos from AlternateHistoryHub are honestly my favourite ones. I especially liked his video on national anthems too. I think it's because they address why we find certain aspects of history appealing by giving relatable examples. Kind of like when you leave the cinema with your friends and just start mentioning things that happened in the movie as if you didn't all just see the exact same things.
Same, though I do wish Cody posted those kinds of videos on a separate channel. Makes it hard to search specifically for Alternate History
@@svenrio8521he does have a pointless hub tho
@@svenrio8521 He does have an alternate channel but it's mostly for talking about movies and stuff.
@SeruraRenge11 How is he as a movie reviewer?
I'm hoping for level headed and fair but I'm worried that it's gonna ruin him for me if he gets super biased when he steps into the creative realm.
@@AdamdiditIt’s very funny, heavily recommended 11/10.
Favorite videos on that channel for me are about the sharknado movies.
For real though, Warhammer Fantasy is severely underrated. It's basically just the real 1500s but with magic and monsters lol
yeah except its way harder to colonize the americas because the dinosaurs are still there along with giant magic frogs
@@GustavoRighetti _"its way harder to colonize the americas because the dinosaurs are still there along with giant magic frogs"_ Did you ever think you would actually utter such a line in your lifetime, LOL!?
@@dphalanx7465only in warhammer
Also psychotic murder elves in the north
@@darthrevan4933 LOL true! i'm going to call them that from now on
4:58 Elizabeth dies in 1603! Becomes Queen in 1558
I had no heirs so Tudors RIP...
The reason why this is: there is Over-Emphasized History and Purposely Ignored History. It is called "The Standard Narrative" where history forms a narrative as described in the video, but did you know (and Shhh, don't tell anyone, its one of those super-secrets of history) but stuff happens outside of whatever that narrative is focused on, and that stuff not focused on becomes the ignored part, and the part focused on becomes the over-emphasized parts of history.
The fact that I already knew a lot of what he talked about speaks volumes of how much my general history knowledge has improved since getting into online history content (especially podcasts!!) like yours and Cody's lol
Can you give suggestions of podcasts ?
@@primesonic4459I like a lot of long continuous narrative podcasts so my list looks like this:
The History of Rome - Mike Duncan (Probably the best history podcast)
The History of Byzantium - Robin Pierson (Made as a continuation of the History of Rome going into the byzantine period, with Duncans blessing so to speak)
Revolutions - Mike Duncan
The History of England - David Crowther (as told by some guy in a shed)
The Pirate History Podcast - Matt Albers
VTH also has a podcast, been a while since the last episode though, I hope we get more
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History is one I haven't checked out yet but people say it's very good
There are just a ton more and I will never finish them all lol
I have always loved and read about history, and I’m definitely not an expert but Chris always surprises me with something monumental that I can’t believe I didn’t know.
This is the only history reaction channel I watch and look forward to every day.
10/10 content and one day he will do Epic History’s Napoleon’s Marshals.
Schwertpunk @@primesonic4459
When it comes to the whole “don’t say that this conflict is neat because it glorifies war and it’s crude” thing, I personally say anything prior to WW1 is fair game. Because those times are kinda cool, entertaining, and it gets people interest in history. Especially if that war gets turning into a tabletop game. Constantly crying about the humanity and how war is oh so terrible often just makes you look like a wet blanket and tends to turn people away from learning history. People already know, but it’s so long ago and alien that you might as well try to find some fun and entertainment in it and because you remember it more.
SandRhoman History also has a very cool video about the Byzantine-Sassanid War of 602-628, which kind of spelled the end for these two titans of the Middle East before the early Islamic conquests. And if that topic still interests you, there's always that Extra History series about Sassanid Persian king Khosrau (Justinian's nemesis) that is great.
Romans: "We did it Patricios, we saved the Empire!"
"Why do I hear boss music talking about Allah?"
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I'll never forget years ago in High School World History, the first day of class, our teacher asks what sort of history we'd all like to learn more of (she was being so nice) and everyone said things like ww2, Rome, maybe some medieval, and I randomly said the 16th century. She looked kinda shocked, but I said there were so many important figures from Suleiman, Charles V, Henry VIII, Francis I, Ivan the Terrible, Martin Luther, Barbarossa, etc. Truly underrated
I'm thankful for Alternate History doing this video. It made me realize my love for the early modern period and helped me finally settle on a time setting for my worldbuilding project!
Who could forget such classic events like the Defenistration of Prague? (the second one, I believe) And the Golden Age of Piracy? :D
Good luck with that! I'm in the middle of my own Worldbuilding project.
If you want something to help build a history, I'd Recommend Mappa Imperium. It helps build a framework for a history
Problem with this period is not as much that it was forgotten, but the opposite. So much take place that people treat different aspects (Pirates, Samurai, Napoleon, Cowboys, late Knights) as separate entities.
Let's not forget a critical reason why American schools historically haven't focused on European history is to mitigate fighting between immigrants of various European ancestries, whether that be from the lessons causing fights among students, parents not liking what was taught, or parents not liking the balance of what countries were focused on. The immigrant nature of the US makes teaching other country's histories challenging.
Yes! SandRhoman History!! I've been quietly hoping you would check them out for some time now, they've one of my favorite history channels on youtube. Their coverage of the evolution of early modern warfare from pike formations, pike-and-shot, into the line formations we know and love is fantastic!!
And indeed that is Viggo Mortenson. The film is 'Alatriste,' which takes place in this period during the height of the Spanish Empire. When I first heard of the film, I didn't know that Mortenson could speak fluent Spanish, which he does here.
P.S. 'Old Britannia' is another fantastic up-and-coming history channel to check out too FYI
I would love to see you do a reaction to SandRhoman History, he's got some fantastic history content to delve into!
Another thing about this time period is that it also encompasses the Sengoku Jidai in Japan.
Edit: You really need to react and check out Extra History's Sengoku Jidai episodes if you haven't already.
I agree sengoku jidai would be awesome
You know, I don't think he has. Which is curious because I think he said he would years back when he reacted to Admiral Yi.
The actor that confused the historian (I'm so sorry, but forgot your name in the video), is acting in the movie Alatriste, which is a historical fiction movie set in the 30 years war that culminates in the battle of Rocroi where the protagonist is a sargeant or a commander of a Tercio, can't remember which; great movie
I knew little of the 17th century europe until I took a history course on early modern Europe in college. Really opened my eyes to a lot of how the modern era was formed.
My high school didnt touch on it at all
The film with Viggo Mortensen is Alatriste, a very good movie set during the 30 years war between France and Spain. Interestingly, Viggo played his all part in spanish there.
If you’re interested in this era, another great movie about the 30 years war is Cyrano de Bergerac (the French one with Gerard Depardieu)
I really love your reactions and I know that one day you will react to the Extra History series about Empire of Brazil. I have faith. The history of South America in general is quite neglected. Like in the 1860s when Solano Lopez had somewhat Napoleonic or Prussian ambitions for Paraguay and wanted to conquer more territories. It had to face Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay and in the end Paraguay ended up losing almost its entire male population. Argentina wanted to divide the territory of Paraguay with Brazil and Bolivia, but Brazil preferred to maintain a buffer zone between itself and Argentina.
Extra history or Jack Rackams ones on the emperors of Brazil are all great too
Bro in Poland the only time when south america matters is discovery, Cortez(one page in text book), and independece and that is that which sucks ngl
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Cortez isn't even in South America, it's North America (Mexico) Pizarro was the one in South America and the Inca Empire (Peru). But even European history would suck if everything in the text book was just one page about just one specific moment
28:10 also yes, that is Viggo! That’s the Spanish movie Alatriste based on a series of novels of the same name. It’s good if you’re into the time period but it’s in Spanish. I don’t know if there’s an English version. (Yes, Viggo speaks really good Spanish)
Viggo is honestly such a dope actor
During much of his youth he was raised in Argentina, and can even make a pretty convincing argentinian accent.
I am fascinated with 1500s geopolitics, continental wars, monarchs, imperial conquest, conflict. ESPECIALLY about Spain’s history from the reign of the Reyes Católicos/Catholic kings to the death of Felipe IV of Spain, who coincided with the Thirty Years War.
Tiziano. Tercios invencibles. Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba. Every single war between Spain and France. The Spanish ascent in Naples, Milan and Italy. The adulteries and art love of Francis I of France. Elizabethan England. Suleiman the Magnificent. Don Juan of Austria and The Battle of Lepanto. Even more so “Bloody Mary” is a fascination of mine. The religious upheaval and changes in the reformation.
28:05
Yes that was Vigo Mortensen
Here in the UK we have a strange attitude to this period. We get taught the English Civil War, but (in England, at least) not the broader context of the Wars of the Three Kingdoms which it existed in, we only barely cover the Reformation, and the wars on the continent are not mentioned at all - not even the Thirty Years War, the most devastating war in European history. The period only exists as a vague shadow in the cultural mainstream when we occasionally think about cavaliers and roundheads.
However, you then have one of the most successful British IPs of all time - Warhammer - running with this period as its main inspiration, with the Empire clearly being heavily based on the Holy Roman Empire of the period. I genuinely believe Warhammer Fantasy has done more to introduce British people to late 16th and 17th century history than any school.
I posted on the original video, but if anyone is interested in learning more about the Early Modern Period in the Low Countries and the Netherlands, I highly recommend Beggars, Iconoclasts, and Civic Patriots by Peter J. Arnade.
For us in Puerto Rico, that period in history is one of the most talked about since our history begins the moment Columbus arrives and the Spanish colonization. Everything that happened in Europe affected us in America (specifically central and South America). We had people here fighting in European wars and veterans as governors and administrators and military leaders. Hell, our capital was attacked in 1625 during the 80 years war which most people associate solely in Europe!
Basically, it is also one of my favorite time periods because despite being on the other side of the ocean, we are attached to the history.
He showed sooo many pictures of the Dutch Republic, Dutch nobles and 80 years war and not mention the Dutch Republic or 80 years war at all. :(
The Dutch, always there, but always forgotten. :(
5:03 Um, I think you mean Elizabeth's Heir becoming King in 1603, that would be James VI and I.
Hey vlogging don't know if you see this, but Korea:Admiral Yi - Mistakes is from the Extra History where they acknowledge mistakes and delve deeper. It's an amazing video that's as good as the original series.
Quick thing i know you're aware. You said around 5:00 Elizabeth I became queen in 1603. That's when she dies and passes to James.
Did I? I definitely meant that’s when she died.
@@VloggingThroughHistoryI've watched this video 3 times now (once myself, Mr Terry's reaction and now yours) and each time I've felt I don't remember a large part of the video so it's great seeing the different perspectives when you talk about a different part.
Thanks for your dedication! (It must be quite easy to make small slips of the tongue)
@@VloggingThroughHistoryHello,fun fact about 1556,2.5k Croats fought 100k ottomans for one month,killed 30k off them,there Sultan Suloman died during the sige and we Croats forced them to delay sige of Vienna.
Our leader was Nikola Zubic Zrinksi and he kicked ottomans but,praticly forcing them to retreat,even tho all of the defenders died at the end.
Whit us not having anything,and Ottomans everything,WHITOUT Austrian help,so this would be cool if you do video on it.
@@VloggingThroughHistoryalso BDWY you should learn about how 700 Croats defeated 60k ottomans in battle of Sinj,I was talking about battle for Siget in og coment.
Finally seeing this months later and realizing that I missed it because you published it on the exact same day I went to the castle in Nuremburg. What a coincidence!
That Holy Roman crown really is an impressive sight.
13:50 You are absolutely right, Chris. Poland się central Europe. As a pole I can say we're very touchy on this subject.
Anyway, greetings from Poland. Hope you visit Poland one day. A lot of history there to discover and learn.
I have to remind myself, as you did, that wars have human cost. My son, who was disabled in Afghanistan is frustrated with my interest in historical wars and battles. He can't discuss these battles without hearing the sound of bullets hitting flesh or knowing what it is like to be in an explosion. He says that it is middle aged men like us who spend so much time on studying war because we didn't experience it.
I am really interested in war as a concept, but vehemently opposed to real war. I like military history, but it has also taught me how terrible war is.
Who cares. War is cool
I feel like your son is overlooking why we actually study wars, it isn't because we're obsessed or wish to fantasize about combat as a gloriously brutal affair, we do it because many of these battles and wars highlight and reflect the people who fight them. Or, at least that's why I find interest in studying these wars and events. A perfect example is vietnam. I still tear up thinking about the pointless death wrought by that war. But I learn about it and the atrocities committed nevertheless. Not because I like it, or find it fun, it's because I find that the war showed humans, more specifically Vietnamese people and Americans and their ideals and perspectives at the time. And how those ideals shift and change when dealing with the worst pains we are capable of giving. It's a peak into the the psyche of a common man, of a pair of nations, and of the governments and politics that brought them here
Same with my dad, who was a child in Germany during WW2.
War is the singular event which has radically changed the face of the world. To study war is to study the history of mankind. While I understand your son's aversion to anything military, he does not need to be a luddite about it either.
I would say that putting Poland outside of eastern Europe is kind of a stretch. First of all eastern Europe is less of a geographic position and more of a cultural thing, most of geographical eastern Europe is just Russia and even then it's lots of not so densly populated territory, at the same time Ukraine and Belarus typically "eastern" countries claim to have Geographical midpoint of Europe within their borders. Countries being "eastern" comes shared history and some minor or major similarities in culture, not all of those are universal and not all of them have major importance in modern world, but nevertheless most of eastern Europe was invaded by Mongols, most of our countries had dealings with turks, most of our countries dealt with German expansionsim whether it was Teutonic Order, Habsburgs, German Empire, or Nazis, and most importantly of all all countries described as "eastern European" were on the other side of Iron Curtain or at least at some point aligned with Soviet Union (Yugoslavia and Albania), Greece is considered a birthplace of western civilization yet Bulgaria right next to it is not really seen as western country. In Poland there is insistance to not refer to our country as eastern European comes mostly from both of inferiority complex in a world that likes to insist on "West" being an perfect example to follow, a beacon of everything that is good and modern and on perception of being eastern as basically Russia and friends.
In Lithuania we have a somewhat new (started in the early 2000s gained prominence around 2009) historical movement that basically divides Europe into 4 “zones”: western (France, Germany, Britain..), central (Poland, Hungary, some Balkans), borderline (Finland, the Baltics, Belarus, and especially Ukraine) and then east - just Russia. They made up to major cultural groups: western, which has 3 first, and eastern - 1, guess which one. It says that the former lands of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (and what was then Finland - just limbo until Helsinki became an actual city in 16th century if I remember correctly) with the commonwealth in the future are the borders of Western European culture, cause we, despite speed running it, experienced some form of western feudalism unlike Russia. This theory also states that due to heavy russification Ukraine and Belarus got severed from west but not completely separated somehow and were in the 90s after independence ,again, in limbo and needed to make a choice. Ukraine chose the west, while in Belarus - Lukasjenka. The only thing now connecting it to the west is Litvinism movement, which is divided between moderates - wants to share the heritage of Grand Duchy equally and has support of Lithuanian historians (look the land until late 1500s and polonisation of upper Grand Duchy class and cities was divided into “Lithuanian-Polish-Latin, this is after the conversion although similar divide exist during paganism, and Slavic parts alongside Navahrudak (Naugardukas) )and wider intelligentsia, and radicals - entire Duchy with Dukes was Belarusian, Vilnius is theirs, we are just all Smagotians. I shred this, because I feel like most foreigners will find this stupid and want to see the actual result.
@@xenamorphwinner7931 I think that the main problem is inherent element of nationalism present in historiography our general (and rather justified) hostility towards russian state flavors how we portray our nations, it's simply easier to tell national history as a story and any story requires framing. We tie our national identity to entities that don't really correspond with modern understanding of a nation. It is especially aparrent in general education which tends to avoid any nuance in Poland we frame Angevin and Jagiellon rule as a conflict betweent "good" kings and "evil" nobles only to have the dynamic flip when the kings become elected (with a few exceptions). We might give careful consideration to what led "our" side to the war while casting opposing side as unjustified villains, I think the worst example in Poland is framing Polosh-Bloshevik War as this pure and heroic struggle, ommiting that it started by Poland trying to exploit ongoing civil war in Ukraine.
7:58 "between Christians and Protestants" Chris doesn't think Protestants are Christians CONFIRMED 😂
True, he should have said between Catholics and Protestants
I disagree that politics and religion where always the same in that period. The thirty years war might have started as a religious war, but by 1635, 17 years into the conflict, it religion had become a minor aspect, with Catholic france on the side of protestant dutch and swedish side.
With the 80 years war this was even more the case, with France and England being allied to fight the Dutch at certain times. And one can't forget France had a very important alliance with the Ottoman empire during the long Italian wars in the 1500's. They even did a joint invasion of the Corsica.
Really, if you look at most of these wars in detail, it's clear that most leaders where pragmatic enough to put ignore religion when it wasn't to their advantage.
The first thing I always think of when I think of the 1500's is always Hernan Cortes.
I know in the US we get hung up on "American history," but when you look at the history of the Americas, Cortes was probably the most influential figure in the colonizing of the continents.
We look at US history and think how much the Germans, English, and Dutch influenced the formation of the country and its values. But literally everything south of Georgia was influenced by Spain.
The little I know about HRE "organization" is insane. The lords were split into 10 groups called circles, each circle being responsible for the defense of its territory. Should the circle deem it wise, they could petition two neighboring circles to join them, and do that for another two. Only then do they convene with the Emperor to figure out a national next step. Half the Empire's armies could be at war before the Emperor ever got a letter.
I don't really see how this is insane. Especially in horse and boat based transportation era.
At its "peak," the HRE had more than 300 member states each tentatively independent of each other while the Emperor was an elected position. The empire was never a centralized empire with the Emperor little more than a figurehead, at times.
@@Turamwdd good
For 2:00 as a representation for the graduating year 2016 in Arizona. I did not have any years growing up where they taught specifically state history. It was either sprinkled in, or I learned in books, parks, and native Americans.
I was just about to recommend SandRhoman History to you again, when I saw that you uploaded a reaction to them just 5 hours ago.
I consider myself blessed.
Always love to see alternatehistoryhub videos on the channel. Would love to see more
Can you do Kraut's first video? Can you also do Historia Civilis' Peace video? I would recommend watching Kraut's video in Realism afterwards. Really recommend watching those two side by side. I would love to hear your insights on their discussions of history in those videos. Their discussions are more profound than an average historical discussion to which your thoughts as a historian would be greatly appreciated.
Kraut is fun to watch, but he does not do history but politics argued with bad history.
@@dawoifeeHe does do history. But a lot of historical topics he covered can be political too. It's not mutually exclusive. I don't agree with all the points that Kraut makes but many of the things he made are more historically insightful than your average history video that's why I want to hear VTH's thoughts on the matter.
The biggest things in this period was the spanish english conflict as well as the conflicts surrounding the ottoman empire and the kingdoms of spain poland and austria or at least imho
4:58
Hate to be that guy but Queen Elizabeth the first died in 1603. Her reign started decades before that.
Charles V wasn't actually that inbred, no more than other rulers of his standing. Rather, he was the epitome of Habsburg inheritance of lands through advantageous marriages. It's really after him that Habsburg inbreeding became prevalent, when a coalition concerned about his power forced him to divide his lands between his son and his brother, who'd respectively become the Spanish and Austrian Habsburgs. Those two Habsburg branches intermarried more often than not, and became progressively more inbred. So while the Habsburg Jaw of Charles V was probably not due to inbreeding, it was inbreeding that made it persist for centuries in the family line.
One of the biggest reasons Muskets/Arquebuses replace Archery/Crossbows in this time period is that "shot" is Cheap to build; has great Armor Penetration, and is Easy to teach. Bow-making (bowyery) is a serious, expensive craft, and it takes a couple _years_ to train a good archer (vs months for a shooter).
Really flabbergasted to hear my hometown of little ole Port Orchard Washington mentioned in a video. Haha that was really cool. Love your content
Chris, I have been a long time watcher, and subscribed I believe like the 3rd video I watched from you, I love your content and as a fellow Ohioian who is also a history nerd, I know from you saying you are in the North east that you are a couple hours from me, but I would love to make the trip to a safe coffee shop and buy you a coffee and chat
King James became king in 1603, after Elizabeth died
I caught that, too.
Absolutely with AlternateHistoryHub on this one. Europe was unhinged during that time. He doesn't even talk about the Netherlands winning its independence from Spain and becoming a world power on its own, and *barely* mentions piracy (both Caribbean and Mediterranean).
Speaking of, the Pirate History podcast also delves quite a bit into European conflicts at that time, given that many of the losers of those wars sailed to the New World and became pirates as a consequence.
The main driver for the adoption of firearms over other missile weapons(primarily bows and crossbows but also things like slings maybe) was economics. It was easier to mass produce shot and gunpowder than the artisanal product that arrows and crossbow bolts are. A skilled archer or crossbowman was also the product of years and years of training, a lifetime in the case of the longbowman.
So yeah, they are inaccurate and unweildy. But if you can train and equip a thousand arquebusiers for the same investment in time and coin that could net you a hundred crossbowmen, it made sense, particularly on battlefield increasingly dominated by ever bigger and bigger mass formations because pikes were incredibly cheap as well.
SandRoman is an amazing channel for understanding 16th century warfare it's a good watch Chris!
By all means. Ive been binging some rerez this evening. Love those guys
Yesss, finally a plan to check out SandRhoman History! Highly underrated channel, and initially what got me into this period as well.
3:47 The Spanish who had already settled in what is today Cali, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, are squinting.
My knowledge of this time period comes from an alternate history book series called The Ring of Fire. I love it.
“Cavalry is horse battling things that happen” can we get that on a t shirt lol
Great episode about a great period in time!
As a Protestant this is a very important time for me. Luther, Calvin, Zwingli. The Reformation period is one of the major periods of history.
For a Swedish person like me the period from 1500-1700, specifically from 1523 (liberation from Danish oppression) to 1709 (Poltava) is the most important era. What happens before and after is not as important for us.
when is the best time to be alive in history is one of the few apparently deep questions with a very simple and almost always correct answer
"now"
Elezibeth died in 1603 not became queen in 1603
As a Spanish, I have to comment that in Spain it's the opposite since it was the Golden era of the Spanish Empire, which was the first Global Empire. The Spanish Tercios dominated the battlefields of Europe, and the gold flowed from America to Spain. It was also a Golden age for Spanish culture, with writers that completely defied the old tropes and built new ones: Francisco de Quevedo and Luis de Góngora both had prolific careers as poets, while Miguel de Cervantes' "The Ingenious Knight Don Quixote of La Mancha" completely parodied and played for laughs the old Chivalry novel genre, and the esteemed Félix Lope de Vega defied all conventions with his The Conman of Sevilla, which gave us the character of Don Juan Tenorio. When it comes to paintings, Diego Velázquez is amongst the top three painters in the period (some of the paintings that AlternateHistoryHub is using to depict the period are from Velázquez, namely "The Surrender of Breda" which depicts the surrender of the city of Breda to the Spanish forces is shown in 3:09). So, in Spain we remember that period a lot.
The first global Empire is Portugal
@@HotasianchickKind of? Both developed at the same time, and in large part due to the fact that both countries were Allies. In fact, in the late XVI century the Spanish king Felipe II also became king of Portugal, so both Empires were united during a century or so.
Yes it was Viggo Morgensten in the movie Capitan Alatriste. And it portray this era very nice.
I have to take a little issue with this. Fransisco Coronado led the first Spanish army into New Mexico in the 1540's and the spanish town of St Augustine in 1560'. I'd consider Spain a European country so we definitely have European history before Jamestown.
Spain is a european country. Ive never heard of anyone saying Spain isnt european?
This was the time of a world dominated by Spanish Empire and the Ancién Regime France
In Brazil we study quite a lot about the 16th-18th century because Portugal was a main player up to Napoleon. Napoleon himself said only three “people” outsmarted him: Winter, Duke of Wellington and King Joao of Portugal. Joao was the only European king to ever go to a colony, he just left Portugal and made Brazil the capital when Napoleon came. Eventually Brazil gained its independence from his son, Dom Pedro when he refused to go back and proclaimed himself Emperor of Brazil.
The fact he didn’t even mention Portugal shows how people dont know much about the time
Portugal wasn't a major player anymore after the Iberian Union
i agree this era deserves more love give us a total war!!!!
Way too many earth tones in "this era". Kind of dull to look at.
If only... Too bad Total War doesn't make good shit anymore.
There's probably a mod for Empire or Napoleon that could give us this time period?
@@Edax_Royeaux What? Have you looked at the clothes of the landsknecht, or french or spanish cavalry, ottoman Janissaries, etc. Not every war in this era was the english civil war with it's buffcoats everywhere.
@@slome815 I'm just going by all the scenes in the video.
Everyone’s history is important. We all come from somewhere. I love American history so I tend to study it more. 1620 is where it started for me so that’s were I’m at. ♥️🤷♀️
I have had a lifelong enjoyment of history, albeit with a Western bent (includes Middle Eastern ancient-early modern). Plus my social studies/history teachers were great in middle school and high school. My favorite periods have predominantly been ancient, early modern and 18th-19th centuries. So this definitely surprises me that the period containing the Protestant Reformation, the Thirty Years' War, the Age of Discovery, the beginning of European colonialism, the Tudor dynasty, Cromwell, the Glorious Revolution and the War of Spanish Succession.
You should post your audience’s top also-viewed videos to the Community tab. It would be a great way to find recommendations!
I love this. I'd watch this video.
Thanks for distinguishing between cavalry and Calvary.
28:12 that is viggo mortensen in the film Alatriste
This period of history also carries some of the best music in the repertoire. Tielman Susato, Montoverdi, Corelli, Torelli, Heinrich Franz Biber, JB Lully, Charpentier, Purcell, Telemann, Handel, Bach etc.
Yeah is Vigo Mortensen. Is a scene from a Spanish movie called the Adventures of Captain Alatriste. The story takes place during the 17th century in the Spanish Empire. Alatriste is a soldier in the service of King Philip IV of Spain during the Eighty Years' War. The story begins in the Spanish Netherlands, where his tercio fights in the Dutch Revolt. I do recommend the movie if you want to learn more about the Spanish Empire in its golden age.
No, the story of Alatriste happened during the war vs France
@@lysimaquetokmok6755 Read the books or watch the movie, it's the Eighty Years War.
@@lysimaquetokmok6755Exactly!
@@lysimaquetokmok6755The movie show battles against the french, for example Rocroi, but those battles were fought during the Dutch Revolt also called the Eighty-year war
As an austrian the 1500s to the 1700s is really important. Protestant revolution, 30 years war, Ottoman conflict over Hungary and in a larger Habsburg context the height of global Habsburg rule
13:52 that's correct if we are looking at modern day Poland's borders, but in those times, they definitely had a bigger part of their territories in the Eastern side.
The Holy Roman Empire really falls apart from 1054-1231. In 1054, the 5 year old king, Henry IV and his French mother inherit the HRE causing a period of instability. In 1231, Frederick II signs the "Statute in favour of the princes" which is the nail in the coffin for the power of the Emperor in the Holy Roman Empire.
After 1231, the HRE is a geographical expression and it makes more sense to tell the stories of the House of Welf, House of Luxembourg, House of Ascania, House of Habsburg, House of Wettin, House of Hohenzollerns, etc These families actually hopped around a bunch over the course of 500 years, gaining and losing territory constantly. They have quite interesting family histories.
Dead on right about this being a historical blind spot. It wasn’t until I took Western Civ 102, where American history was basically just a foot note, that I realized, “oh man, how did I never hear about this?”. I’m *really* glad I did, because Elizabeth I is SO dope. If I were a nobleman in the time, I’d propose and get rejected by her in a heartbeat.
PS? I teach Sunday school at my Church, and I always am super glad when the teens there take an interest in history, and especially WWII. But, I also have made it a point to gift them with EB Sledge’s memoir, just to put things in perspective and keep it from just being, “P-51’s are cool!” or something like that.
When I was in school, they didn't teach us history about Tennessee. I went Northern Side High School.
For anyone interested in this period check out eu4! Best grand strategy game ever.
Yes that was Viggo! and I highly recommend to watch that movie Alatriste, if you can find it.
7:57 Interesting slip here 😆 I think you mean between Catholics and Protestants
My 6th grade "social studies" class actually started history with ancient Mesopotamia (Sumer, Assyria, Babylonia) and I absolutely ate it up. I think about that class to this day
As an Ohioan, we spent so much time on Johnny Appleseed I thought he was a figure on par with Washington.
1500s-1700s was important era, not only known as early modern era but also the great divergence where balance of power shift from the east(Muslim, Indian and Chinese empires) to the west(Europe and America).
Well, for me in school 1500 to lets say 1750 were pretty busy. Starting of we had Martin Luther and the reformation, followed by some of the treaties etc in the 1550s to deal with protestants vs catholics in a non warring way. Then there is the 30 years war, followed by absolutism in France under Louis XIV., or how he is called in German, Ludwig XIV.. Another short jump and we arrive at the old Fritz and his campaigns against half of Europe and his reforms in Prussia before you are already warming up for the French revolution. That's like all of 8th and 9th grade history classes here
1:06 Sándor is Hungarian variant of the name Alexander and there are a lot of them
And this is why I have more than 5,000 hours in Europa Universalis IV. Anywhere in Europe and really the world is wildly interesting in the early modern period.
Videos like these make me realize just how great my public middle/high school social studies/history teachers were. Also, Queen Elizabeth died in 1603. lol
9:38-10:00 the most VTH moment.
Well i noticed, that often in history lessons, are missed. Like while talking about Rome we dont talk about their main rival... Parthia, which had a golden age, during the III century crysis. The Rconquista of Spain, when they were using cannons to become a powerhouse of in XVI century. When you look into it, you may be surprised in what you find.
And yes the Fantasy Warhammer is superior :D
I became unreasonably irritated when cavalry and Calvary was mixed up once. My poor wife had to listen to me ranting about "CAVALRY are horse soldiers! CALVARY is the place of Jesus' death!"
Without skipping a beat she queried, "Are you sure that's the hill you want to die on?"
Best response ever.
I wish you’d react to more of Montemayor’s WW2 videos, especially his Midway videos. Though I know you’ve already seen The Operations Room’s video on it, so it’s obviously not gonna have too much new. But given its length and being in three parts, it’ll probably still have some unique aspects about it.
One of the more interesting things about wars of the period for me is how something like 50000 scots fought throughout the 30 years war mainly in the service of other countries, despite Scotland only being formally involved for relatively brief periods
The English were great at making massive mercenary companies for their enemy's by being assholes to their neighbors. The Irish had The Wild Geese that fought for the Spanish under one of the last heirs of the Irish throne, during this time as well.
Honestly the more of these history channels that I watch the more I realize that 99% of school history curriculums pretty much suck.
As a Canadian, we went pretty far into the 30 years war in earlier grades. I don't believe we covered medieval periods at all. We also covered Japanese history and some Chinese history (though it was just a touch of Chinese history). I can say that I would've loved to learn more about Eastern European or Middle Eastern history. Definitely a missed area.
At 28:07, yea that’s Viggo Mortensen. The movie is Alatriste.
A fellow Mount & Blade enjoyer, nice.
The whole video reminded me of the forgotten stepchild of the franchise, With Fire And Sword, which is the onky videogame I know where you can experience that kind of warfare first-hand.
By the way, I recently saw AltHistHub's video "The election that ruined everything" (been on kind of a binge of his channel lately), and I'd be curious to see your reaction and opinion on it. It's an older video though (about 5 years), maybe you've seen it already.
"Cavalry is horse battling things" -Vlogging Through History