Tokarev vs Body Armor and Ballistic Gelatin
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M57 Tokarev. 7.62x25mm rounds into Threat-Level III kevlar body armor backed by ballistic gelatin. Some more rounds follow up shot into straight gellatin. (As described in other video, I COUNTED THE LAYERS OF KEVLAR AND IT EQUATES TO THE SAME AMOUNT AS A VEST).*
THIS IS TO SHOW WHAT A TOK ROUND DOES TO SAID AMOUNT OF LAYERS. Stop commenting that it isn't a vest. We know that. It's just kevlar layers vs a tok round.
Blown4banger informed me most surplus is 85gr.
The ammo used was military surplus Bulgarian 7.62x25mm brass-cased and presumably corrosive primed. The other test was with the Polish surplus.
I have a Tokarev style Zastava 9mm I use to carry and keep one that fires the original 7.62x25 for home defence being that the original 7.62 will over penetrate (only time penetration is bad) if I ever had to use it out to defend myself. Awesome guns. Next on my Christmas list is a Makarov PM
It was a poorly kept secret decades ago that tt round goes through light armour
Damn, that's some pretty fierce performance. I want one of these.
You can pick one up for lije 250 bucks
Wow! Impressive! I just got one today. Can't wait to try it out.
Great gun, Man your holding the best gun ever in your hands, you can pass that to your Grandchildren and it will work for them 2.
That wind.... My ears...
@OrangeKrunch1 also that kevllar pad was the ballistic pad, it stops the projectile. the "trauma" pad you are refering to is a steel plate underneath it designed to spread the force of the round hitting you over a wider area, thus preventing damage from a fast moving projectile on a small area of your body. the reason concealable vests and plate carriers have 2 layers of kevlar like that in them is because you can actually get shot more and theoretically survive than with one.
very interesting video. How does the .357 sig compare to 7.62 tok? Does the .357 sig have similar penetrative capacity, or is it 'apples and oranges'?
Yes. the 5x8 in pads are the same as the Kevlar that is used in the DAPS/DIPS system to provide side protection to soldiers wearing the IBA or IOTV. it is a Level III system, the hard plates make it a Level IV system.
so for any body armor, without hard ceramic plates like SAPI or ESAPI plates : this pistol will penetrate.
if it has those plates - either shoot more, or get a bigger gun, plates can only take so many rounds before they break and become useless.
@LifeisGood762 that was not the ceramic laminated plate, that was just the Kevlar TL III "pad" that is supposed to stop .357 magnum and similar rounds.
Great vid. What type of grip is that on your M57?
Do you have to buy surplus ammo for this gun? Do they make new 7.62x25mm rounds anymore?
I was thinking of picking up a CZ-52 tok. Is there anything i should be looking for other than the standard ware and barrel pitting? Because the prices range from 200-400 and i just want to know if there is a big diffrence in a $200 vs a $400. Im not conserned in cosmetic damage (scratches ect) as long as its safe and dependable. Im just going to use it as a plinker but it will be my only pistol other than a buckmark 22 so i may carry it now and then if the wolf 85g HP's are any good for SD.
@LifeisGood762
Yeah, HP would be interesting. This piece is a custom trauma panel worn over the heart area on front of vests (in mine it would go in front of rifle plate) that adds more protection over vital area. I counted the layers and they're the same as the layers of kevlar in my vest that is IIIa so it is what it is. Either vest isn't rated right or the Tok does penetrate IIIa. It may just be III but the hot loaded Czech ammo would totally rip through all of it regardless.
Seth, take a minute & explain it to someone who has no experience with this. Is the Ballistic piece he shot through the equivalent of a Bullet Proof vest? If it is the vest is useless against that bullet, please advise. Thanks. Chuck
The only 7.62x25 rd that is spitzer pointed is the chinese Type 51 ammo. its loaded for use in suppressed variants.
There was never any "for SMGonly" 7.62 Tok ammo issued.
the hard plates are Level IV, not Level III. it is a Kevlar pad used to prevent bullet penetration, the Trauma Plate is a thin sheet of steel that goes underneath it to spread the impact out.
i still have my ESAPI plates from my active duty days and it says Level IV. the Kevlar lining says Level III. even the two 5x8 pads doe the DIPS/DAPS.
how the hell did you get ballistics gell and how much does it cost
Hey sad Have you ever tried the sock over the mic to cut down on the wind sound on your videos ? even if there is no external mic if you put a chunk of sock over the mic that works as well it works wonders for cutting down wind noise or i pieve of foam When I say sock I mean like the foam things you see on a mic when it's outsid e I put a chunk onb my Panasonic 78X
@OrangeKrunch1 that "trauma" pad as you call it, was the Kevlar pad that most "plate carrier" type vests use to prevent the bullet actually penetrating it in my 5 years military i have used the IBA, IOTV and Tactical Plate Carrier, and aside from the shape and color, i see no difference between that and the body army i was issued as a soldier. and i have Kevlar Threat Level III pads identical to that on in my current Tactical plate carrier
agreed on the sadeydangel's comment, if you can find a great condition tok. The cz has after market American made parts like the rollers firing pin and barrels. So if you cant find a amazing tok get the cz
Could you do a ballistics gel test with the 7.62x25mm JHP?
yea I looked and can't find any ballistics gel test with jhp 7.62x 25.
Got you covered.
This video was awesome! Thanks for sharing. Now I want a Tokarev!
holly crap all the way though
even with kevlar
this is a very nasty round. for SD I would take a HP (i believe WOLF has them) round as the FMJ will go true the badguy and go on for a while...
I was favoring the long pistol that looks like a carbine with no stock until I saw all the jams demonstrated on UA-cam. I think that is the one you refer to.
Oooo, hard to tell from the video. Had to watch it a few times real close. One chunk lands in the grass visible right after. I think that you might be right that it is a chunk of gel.
I've got the same Hogue overmold grip on my CZ52. Thanks for the test.
I have some Czech ammo, and probably 500 more rounds of mixed eastern European. The weapons themselves are nice, flat, easy to conceal, flat shooting, and durable. Ammo is cheap and plentiful, or at least it is in South Carolina. If not, I'll by brass and reload my own.
You can buy a muzzle break for that gun and nice wooden handles you can install yourself
[03:15] you can see the bullet exit -- look at the grain of the wood, around mid way where the color changes, the wood rotates and almost points at the bullet on the ground. 3:16 you can see it exiting..
nice vid! Because of this video i am purchasing one tomorrow!
lol all the modern high-tech body armor that is supposed to stop bullets gets defeated by a pistol that was designed in the 1930's. Nice vid, i've got a Mosin Nagant and am planning to get one of these. I think they would go nice together.
Looks as if getting shot with a Tokorov while wearing armour causes much more trauma than getting shot without it. If the bullet yaws and fragments - it causes a much more severe wound than if just pencils through.
What is the distance from which you fired the gun?
The hot Czech ammo was for subguns though wasn't it?
S&B makes some. Cabelas sells it,at least before the panic. But the military surplus is hotter, esp if you can find the Czech stuff, as it was also used in sub-machine guns
wind noise sure made it tough to hear
I've seen some similar tests showing the same thing... looks like IIIA doesn't stop a Tokarev round.
I own one of these and have done the same test. Believe me, with surplus ammo, it will do it. The new manufacture ammo is not as effective as the projectile itself is different than what we manufacture here in the states.
How much did you pay for the ammo ?
thats because its designed to protect against up to 9mm pistol, the power of 7.62x25mm is closer to a .45
It has nothing to do with the age of the round, its how fast its going. The 9mm Luger is even older and its the most common pistol caliber in use today. With the 45 ACP being even older and still quite popular.
If you want to see armor stopping the Tok, watch videos made by those who sell the armor -- LOL. Why is it that we see amateur videos of the Tok penetrating armor, but the makers of the armor can show videos of the armor stopping the bullet? Are there any manufacturer videos showing bullets going thru their armor?
The N.I.J testing levels 3a (5 shots of 9mm and 5 shots of 44 mag. at 1450 fps.) Level 3 (5 shots M-80 ball(308) at 2800 fps.) The 7.62x 25 falls somewhere in between at1600 fps. and is considered a level 3a+. I recently had a composite sample tested to this standard . I think you are confusing to the U.L test standards with the N.I.J standards when you say the video sample is a level 3. I run into this when I order ballistic Glass. Ether way the TOK. is a "Bad Motor Scooter".
level III is the good stuff right?
For some reason I don't think they would put those videos up if they were actually hoping to make a sale...
Ok check your facts. The CZ 52 is the Ruger of the tokerev caliber pistols. The hottest ammunition produce for these weapons was made in Cezh republic and the 52 was designed to use it. Most Have been factory refurbished the ship here for resale. The roller design is based on the most well made machine gun every the MG42. If you want the gun that will handle the load get the CZ not the Russain TT
Just throwing this out there. The armor you are using is equivelent to a level 3A vest not 3. level 3A is the MAXIMUM level kevlar (soft) alone can offer. This is for protection from COMMON PISTOL ROUNDS. Level 3 is the first level of RIFLE protection and is usually a STEEL plate.Now I am not saying kevlar can not stop the TOK round it just needs help from either a special threat plate or trauma plate rated for that round or similar. Made of either Steel, Ceramic, Pressed kevlar or Spectra fiber
Imagine the surgery required is the bullet fragments.
Most surplus 7.62x25 ammo has an 85 grain projectile.
If you could try. 22 Mag Keltec? It has 30 rounds magazine
+Дмитрий Щеголихин *send me one! lol*
+TenThirty-Two you'd better find Gyurza pistol
*I'll look it up!*
@jman3288 There was a Chinese load that had a heavy pointed bullet. It was for use with a supresser
@ltjyeahok
Honestly you'd be better off with a tokarev pistol IMO. The CZ uses rollers and can break if you use ammo that's loaded too hot. Tokarev pistols are safer and better designed than the CZ52. You can buy what you want but do your research so you don't catch a slide in the eye with a CZ pistol.
Someone tried to convince me that the tokarev round is similar to the .357 on another video. I didnt believe them. I always thought it was like a hot 9mm Luger round?! Admittedly, I dont know a whole lot about combloc weapons. After seeing this and doing some research, man I am impressed with this round.
So does anyone have the numbers... how does this compare to a 357?
Basically the semi-auto equivalent of .357 Magnum.
sergeantbigmac It penetrates more, but if stopped it would cause less backface deformation :D
And .357 SIG to 7.62x25 Tokarev?
Tokarev wins in joules / ft. per pounds energy devastation
760 J (560 ft·lbf) (Pretty much the same energy as a specialty 10mm 136gr doubletap round. Because regular 10mm rounds energywise are inferior to the Tokarev.)
Thanks very much, the vest are sold as kind of being impenetrable, I suppose this is not the case, Thanks once again so very much!
That looks like a trauma panel not a ballistic panel, kinda thin and light. If so a .22 might go through.
Dude be careful some of that Surplus Ammo is meant for the PPS 43 and 41 not to mention the CZ 52 which I own it can be rated up to 2,200 feet per second out of a tt-33 or tt-33 clone that can be dangerous when you're shooting Surplus Tokarev get yourself a CZ 52 I can handle the hot stuff
Allegedly some of them CZ52 slides break under hot ammo. Be careful with them!
TenThirty-Two incorrect the cz-52 can absolutely take the hot loads with no problem the problem comes into people that don't know how to work on guns and people who aren't familiar with the fact that it's C&R gun and was used heavily you have to inspect the weapon very carefully to look for cracks there can be flaws caused by excessive use that can cause the gun to be dangerous but that is true with any old gun that has had a lot of rounds through it and if you're going to be shooting something with that high of a pressure you should absolutely inspect your gun there have been failures of cz-52 shooting hot loads but that was due to the gun Bean broken in the first place and parts that should have been replaced. If you know what to look for it's not a problem you also have to inspect the ammo heavily around the neck. Now shooting hot loads out of a tt-33 or clone that is an absolute don't
This video has convinced me, I think when my permit issues I'll start carrying my CZ52. In a worst case active shooter scenario where you could be facing an armored opponent, it's pretty much either this or extremely expensive 5.7x28.
Having had my CZ-52 for a number of months now, I decided not to carry it. I hate the safety position, the safety clicks on if you don't have a very tight hold on the gun. If I were going to carry it, I'd have to increase the detent on the safety since it's SAO... can't just get rid of it.
Try to find PPSH submarine gun. It is the same calibre
+Will Moon *Do NOT use this for a carry pistol. Besides what's already been said, the CZ52 can malfunction with hot ammo. In any active shooter scenario, if you've been trained correctly, one will take cover or defensive position if there's time BEFORE doing anything else. People can't just pull out shitty com block pistols and start a crossfire.*
+SavageArms357 you could load it with hollow points and have a mag of fmj in reserve when needed.
Hence the reason for the Numrich 7.62x25 1911 drop in barrel for non-ramped 1911's. (Colt/RIA).
5.13", no extractor adjustment necesarry if the host 1911 is a 38 super. And gives 100-150 fps more than the typical 4.6" cz-52 barrel. It is the best of both worlds. I should know, I have one. (J&G used to sell the non ramped barrel, now Numrich sells it. J&G still sells the ramped 7.62x25 barrel for Wilson/ Kimber etc)
After installing the Tokarev (7.62x25) barrel in my RIA 38 super GI 1911, I have not gone back to 38 super.
1795-1820fps (chronied) using regular S&B 86gr FMJ rounds.
Kevlar is yellow and Zylon fabric is brown..
i could be that since its not american made ammo it might have a steel core thus making it armour piercing
cool missed this video befor commenting on the other one...
sorry... nice test!
the plate does the stopping not the nylon webbing
I've seen this round go through a Kevlar helmet....both sides of the helmet and then penetrate a milk carton full of water behind it. The bullet didn't have enough velocity left to go thru both sides of the milk carton but got half way thru it. Pretty impressive. I'd like to know how this compares w/the 357 Sig.
***** It was a US Army military helmet. Sorry, but I have no clue what a PASGT helmet is.
Dennis H The PASGT is what replaced the ol' M1 steel pot in the early 80s, and was replaced in the mid-00's by the vastly superior MICH helmets.
PASGT are very common on the secondary market because the military unloaded a bunch of them. Im 99.9% sure this is the helmet you are referring too. Theyre dated by todays standards. It would be interesting to see this test done on a more modern MICH or one of those lightweight helmets.
***** Good point, good point.
***** Helmets are not meant to stop bullets. They are meant to stop shrapnel. A 9mm would probably go through it as well.
ExVeritateLibertas This helmet test I saw they tried 4 calibers on the helmet, a 22LR, a 45 ACP, a 357 Mag & the Tokarov. The 22 just bounced off, the 45 ACP did the same, hardly even a mark, the 357 Mag made a small indentation/dent. The Tokarov went thru both sides of the helmet & into the full milk carton on the other side but didn't make it out of the milk carton. Pretty darned impressive. The 9 would have just bounced off.
Hollow points aren't good for penetration or armored targets, only soft targets.
Cops wear body armor that is just kevlar. Level 3 armor is stand alone kevlar designed to stop almost all hand weapon rounds. Plates like the ones in 4 5 level armor are designed for high power rifle rounds and are very heavy.
Thanks for the info, have a good one!
excellent pig sticker
Well, that's good enough for me.
Thats Yugoslavian M57 " tetejac" :D
No body armor is impenetrable. it may withstand up to a certain caliber, but there is always a limit. I know the US Level IV ESAPI plates with stop most 7.62 rounds and some 7.62 armor piercing rounds. but not all. and it can only take so many rounds before failing.
and anytime, take care.
seth shacklett this round is smaller than a 9mm and goes through the first time
7.62x25 tok is the round that scares the me the most were I on the receiving end; .22 LR is in second place.
NightMare of Body Guards
of course only that square of kevlar will get easily penetrated ^_^ the wide of kevlar is the key of the kevlar can stand against bullet
I believe that is correct but the cz could take it.
And it's the smoothest gun I've shot to date
My dad got shot by a m57 in serbia
Pics or it didn't happen lol.
level 3 or 3A?
+Thunkful2 *It's a new space age bio-nanotech that uses woven quark strangelets which provides a protection level of LXVII-a. This is possible because while traditional woven kevlar has about a 0.25mm space between the fibers the new tech leaves only a mere 0.144 fentometer space between the stranglet strands.*
soft armor only comes in 3A max.
Amazing, why the Russians replaced the Tokerav with the Makarov will never make sense to me. The Mak makes a good concealed pistol but the Tok firing the 7.62x25 is a far superior battle field pistol. I wish companies like CZ would make modern pistols chambered in this underrated round.
Yeah me too. My opinion the Russians probably went with 9mak as they both do close to the same to a human and the 9mak is easier to produce.
7.62x25, 7.62x39, 7.62x54. Three different guns but all use the same barrel reamer, thatd be handy in time of war.
@@frankfrankly1366 Maybe but 9mm Makarov cannot compare to the range/penetration of 7.62 Tokerav.
kevlar is not effective aganist steel core in impact speed 380 meters per second + ... tt give 430 averadge .. it better penetration than 44 mag in kevlar .. it give reason for give special class 2 in russian GOST ( in plate carier 2,2-2,5 mm armor steel , 3 mm titanium alloy VT23, 11 mm daneema/spectra , 22 mm aramid (overal 100 layer TSVM-DJ) ...in HONGCONG in 80-90 it call policekiller...now effective low mass armor only spectra
That wind sound is annoying!!!!
+John Kharon * I know the sounds drowns out all the PEW PEW PEW*
Don't worry brotha, as long as you use the TT33 agtainst ISIS;))
But it's an M57! AHHHH!
Same thing!))
Look up GSH 18!
Mine's bigger! Larger frame. I have the 9mm large frame also.
He's thinking 7.62x39 Soviet.
Funny
Firearm around $200 after shipping.. Ammo since it is surplus its cheap...
The Tokarev is more of a plinking pistol for me IMO..
I have both, and they do!
@OrangeKrunch1
Soft armor here is a custom piece and many manufacturer's provide it. These are made of woven kevlar, not laminated. IIIa is also more than III, not less, unless you are refferring to rifle armor which is differnt entirely. Thanks for watching!
goddamn, that Tokarev round is a bad sumbitch! And that's out of a pistol with its short barrel... imagine the punch it has out of a PPS-43.
3:17/18 if you look at the right side of the block you can see the round fall to the ground after full penatration.
M91/30 and TT33 were finished 3 years apart. Well, the Mosin ACTION was designed in 1891, but it was updated in 1930, which is the year the Tokarev pistol came out as the TT30, and was then improved in 1933 as the TT33. Yeah, they go together like bread and butter. Like the Kar98k and P38, No.1 Mk.III* and Webley Mk.VI, M1 Rifle and M1911A1, M4 and M9, AKM and Makarov PM, Arisaka Type 99 and Nambu Type 14, CZ58 and CZ52, or No.4 Mk.I and Hi Power. Matches made in Heaven, and sent through Hell.
be that as it may: would you want to be holding that pad and get shot with one? I wouldnt, Toks are deadly
I wish glock would chamber a pistol for this cartridge, or do a conversion kit for an existing pistol!
just buy a tokarev lol.
9x25 dillion... lonewolf has the barrels.
Hmmm. Someone can't read the description can they? Nope. apparently not. tell ya what man - you just click on the advertisement and don't worry about the rest, capiche?
Just don't use CZ52 to compare to the junk quality of a mosin nagant.
TT-33 the best!
This is an inneffective test. The "body armor" he is using to do this test is actually a 5x8 soft trauma pad, not a "piece of level 3 Kevlar" Firstly no company i am aware of makes a level 3 5x8 trauma pack, he should have said level 3a. which is weaker. Secondly the 5x8 soft trauma pack is designed to be put in a concealable vest and used in conjunction with a full level 3a ballistics vest. a 5x8 trauma pack is designed to reduce impact force prior to the actual vest stopping the round.
.357 sig and fn 5.7 are its decedents.
for me this is a best pistol...
cop killer round?
Джон Смит Cops bleed the same blood as everybody else, every round is a "cop killer" round.
CZ52's are a very well built design. If they were so dangerous, the Czech military would not have used them for 30 years (1952-1982). You can get a "new" unissued CZ52 for $305 at czechpoint-usa "dot" com/products/vz-52/
My russian helmet can stop a Tokarev. lol