3-Point Landings - Tail Wheel Training VLOG - Flying Fundamentals - DHC-1 Chipmunk - Part 3

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 232

  • @HighFlight2k2
    @HighFlight2k2 8 років тому +8

    Thanks a bunch for your videos. I'm a 44 year old 7 hour student that has waited my whole life to pursue my dream. I can honestly say you have been a major influence in my decision. Keep up the great work!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому +2

      What an honour to receive such a comment! It is rewarding to hear that I may have had even a small part in helping you get started pursuing your dream to fly!

    • @stevstomatoe6456
      @stevstomatoe6456 8 років тому

      Good job! Work hard, you'll get your license!

  • @deanmiles3505
    @deanmiles3505 3 роки тому +1

    That thing is a handful.
    Take care,
    Be safe

  • @Aviation4Life
    @Aviation4Life 7 років тому +2

    Awesome videos, keep them coming! I recently soloed on my sixteenth birthday in August and I'm about to start my solo cross countries now. I cannot wait until I turn seventeen and can get my PPL. One day I hope to get my tail wheel endorsement, it looks like a ton of fun!

  • @CMBurns77
    @CMBurns77 8 років тому +1

    Love that multi angle shot of the approach. Great video!

  • @ranh71
    @ranh71 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Steve, just started to fly the Chipmunk for my tail wheel conversion. It's an amazing plane and totally understand the juggling of controls :) Great video thankyou

  • @turboconqueringmegaeagle9006
    @turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 8 років тому +2

    bubble canopy makes it look like a Japanese car.... nice vid, thanks, brakes would be great if they were not on the same side as the throttle, with the brake lever half way they come on with the appropriate pedal if set up correctly.

  • @markoda8455
    @markoda8455 7 років тому +2

    I really like seeing the approaches and landings from the field. As always a very interesting and fun video!!

  • @Ravnican127
    @Ravnican127 7 років тому +3

    Your trainer was AWESOME! "you're not over-speeding the flaps so I don't hate you yet..."

  • @justgoneflying
    @justgoneflying 7 років тому

    Excellent flying and excellent video production. I'm so jealous of all the things you get to do!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      +americanflyyer - thanks! Glad you enjoyed it, I am happy to share the experiences.

  • @Ad0ify
    @Ad0ify 8 років тому +1

    Awesome flying! great to see you achieving your goal in the Chipmunk

  • @whymistamista5614
    @whymistamista5614 8 років тому

    You uploaded this video on my 241st bday. Keep up the good work! And Semper Fi & happy bday to my fellow Marine Corps brothers. For today thanks for all that served.

  • @ProfMHSettelen
    @ProfMHSettelen 7 років тому

    Did all this Easter 1963 & raced E-Type Jaguars along the M1 from Elstree Aerodrome & then did eight point hesitation rolls for Victory under the tutelage of
    Andy Pankhurst!

  • @projekt6_official
    @projekt6_official 7 років тому +1

    Thoroughly enjoying watching your progress in this and all your other adventures. Keep it up! Excellent job!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      +projekt89130 - thanks! Did you get to the end of the series? I still need to publish the latest, but I am now signed off to fly formation with these guys!

    • @projekt6_official
      @projekt6_official 7 років тому

      FlightChops Not yet - have been working my way forward from your first video. Almost there :)

  • @captmoonbeam
    @captmoonbeam 8 років тому +2

    Looks like a lot of fun. One of my biggest aviation regrets is never getting tailwheel qualified... or glider or seaplane or lighter than air.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому +1

      Thanks! And I love your stuff by the way - I think you did alright focusing your energy where you did - I am a jack of all trades, thus a master of none.

    • @captmoonbeam
      @captmoonbeam 7 років тому +2

      Thanks Flight Chops. You do a great job on your videos. I like to think of myself as a Swiss Army knife when it comes to flying. I did leave one off that list, Rigid airship. All gone before my time but, it must have been a magnificent experience standing on the flight deck of one of those graceful ships. Unless of course, a small storm popped up and snapped it in two. Then, I'd rather just stay home and watch flying videos on youtube.

  • @Alfaspiderman84
    @Alfaspiderman84 8 років тому +1

    Love the videos...Such an inspiration for all of us... Thanks.

  • @FlightChops
    @FlightChops  8 років тому +5

    Everyone asking about "the line" - thanks so much for engaging - I did not expect that many :P but I failed to realize that many people have their UA-cam account settings such that I am not able to send a PM - please use the contact form at FlightChops dot com

    • @noahfarrell7082
      @noahfarrell7082 8 років тому +2

      FlightChops do you have a second channel? Because you always say "stay tuned for a full series on that" but I don't see that much coming from this channel just curious, huge fan of your videos and the quality of your work life long fan here:)

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому +5

      +Noah Farrell - hey Noah - I publish a new video every second Friday, and we are nearing 100 episodes now... But I don't release multi part series all in a row... So what I do for ongoing related content is make play lists on the channel home page, and add the related episodes as they are competed. There is a playlist for my original "tail wheel conversion training" that has to be near a dozen episodes... And the "mountain flying training" series that has about 8 episodes! There is also one for the WWII warbird / Stearman training that is about 6 episodes. And this episode is the 3rd in the DHC -1 Chipmunk Series that will likely get to 6-8 episodes when we cover formation and aerobatics... You've inspired me to make that play list now with the first three Chipmunk episodes that are already published.

  • @UPS1000
    @UPS1000 7 років тому +1

    Steve it was great to meet you today at AvWorld. Keep up the great work and thanks for the swag.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      +UPS1000 thanks for coming to the event! Great to meet you as well!

  • @chandsie
    @chandsie 8 років тому +1

    Amazing videos Steve! You've inspired me to learn how to fly!

  • @jameshunter1016
    @jameshunter1016 8 років тому +2

    Loved the OG Chipmunk vid. Another great one. Keep doing great!

  • @1dgram
    @1dgram 8 років тому

    Good job on learning the aircraft!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      Glad you enjoyed riding along :)

  • @MoejoTheGreat
    @MoejoTheGreat 7 років тому

    "That was *&$%*# greasy." That was my grandad's favorite term for a smooth landing. It being given on your first landing in the aircraft is a huge compliment, you would've made a great ace back in the day.

  • @therish7169
    @therish7169 8 років тому

    Gotta know the line Stevo! Another great one mte.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @carolinacloudsaviation
    @carolinacloudsaviation 8 років тому +1

    Nice! Making it look easy!

  • @TeemarkConvair
    @TeemarkConvair 8 років тому +1

    very awesome

  • @lw216316
    @lw216316 5 років тому

    can't help it.....I'm reminded of the song...
    Put your right hand in
    Your right hand out
    Your right hand in
    And shake it all about
    You do the hokey pokey
    And you turn yourself around
    Just bought an RC Spitfire and practiced 3 point landings this morning.
    You really have to stay ahead of the aircraft with the rudder on the take offs and landings, especially since the main wheels are so close together.
    I had to abort one take off - I throttled up too fast and did not get enough right rudder to offset the natural pull to the left - she was headed toward the safety fence so I shut her down and started over. Once she is in the air she flies like a dream.

  • @buzzedpancake2730
    @buzzedpancake2730 8 років тому +1

    Was enjoying all the super cub footage when I stumbled across the video discussing the prop strike :( I am curious how the repairs are going, and if she will be airworthy again!? Thanks!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      +BuzzedPancake - thanks - yes, it was a sad time... We lost almost 2 whole seasons with that plane, but the good news is she should be flying next spring!

  • @moboengr3202
    @moboengr3202 6 років тому

    Great video and cool airplane. Love your videos. I'm feeling the inspiration to get my license and at age 64 I'm wondering whether I should really do it. My dad was a pilot and tried to get me to learn while I was in college. Wish I had now.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  6 років тому

      Ron, the chief pilot of the CH2A is still flying everything in the fleet at 86 years old. If you can pass a medical, you can fly - get on it! :)

  • @imtheonewhoknox
    @imtheonewhoknox 8 років тому

    OK steve...you got me! I need to know the line now, please!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @cmeGordy
    @cmeGordy 8 років тому +1

    that is a beautiful plane

  • @andrewsims6118
    @andrewsims6118 8 років тому

    Whats the line? Keep up the fantastic work. I love watching your videos.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      I didn't realize most people seem to have their accounts set to not allow PM - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @TheWindigomonster
    @TheWindigomonster 8 років тому +1

    Gotta love your instructor "that was fking greasy"

  • @MrThuggery
    @MrThuggery 8 років тому +1

    Nice work mate!

  • @edyndans2266
    @edyndans2266 8 років тому

    Whats the line Steve? Also, great content, very inspirational to all aviators young and old. Gotta get myself in a chipmunk someday!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @gimallo1107
    @gimallo1107 8 років тому +1

    Very nice one, thank you :)

  • @jdef1
    @jdef1 8 років тому

    Steve! Great video! I'll email about the line. But I have to know where you found an instrumental version of Brisbane Nights. Love that song!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      Just catching up on comment replies - I think I remember, we sorted this song thing out over email yeah?

    • @jdef1
      @jdef1 7 років тому

      FlightChops That we did, my friend. You're the best for being so diligent with your fans! Thanks dude!

  • @GoneOutFlying
    @GoneOutFlying 8 років тому +1

    Beautiful video, once more.
    Thanks, Steve, for uploading.
    I can't help but join the masses in wondering what that 'line' was about.
    You tired of PMing people, yet? ;)
    Cheers!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому +1

      Haha - YES! I didn't think that through - But what I am more tired of is my failure to realize that most people do not have their accounts set up to allow PM - yours included :P - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com. It is cool that so many people are watching right to the end though :)

  • @tomarmstrong1281
    @tomarmstrong1281 Рік тому +1

    Such a shame that ALL pilots do not have the opportunity to learn how to handle landings, especially crosswinds in a tail dragger. There are subtleties, which if properly taught and learned will increase confidence in their abilities. Which will build a solid base for a lifetime of safe flying.

  • @Gbayerlino
    @Gbayerlino 8 років тому

    That Chipmunk is beautyful... Hope I can fly those someday...
    PS: What about "that" line? hahahah

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      I should have thought that through better - your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @bazwabat1
    @bazwabat1 7 років тому

    Well done Mate! And PM me that line!!

  • @pinkdispatcher
    @pinkdispatcher 8 років тому

    Awesome stuff! Thanks a lot. Is the bubble canopy an after-market modification? I remember seeing some Chipmunks at the Imperial War Museum in Duxford, and they had a more old-style canopy with several struts and rectangular side windows.

    • @thehoeser
      @thehoeser 8 років тому

      Canadian Chipmunks have the bubble canopy. British Chipmunks do not.

  • @squidboii
    @squidboii 7 років тому +1

    nice dude this is in my city in windsor

  • @LeyenaZoey
    @LeyenaZoey 8 років тому

    The Line! i need to know!
    Nice going! Chipmunks are cool. how's the IFR training going? Got it done?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

    • @LeyenaZoey
      @LeyenaZoey 7 років тому

      i mailed you. You have mailed me last week :)

  • @TheBappy56
    @TheBappy56 8 років тому +2

    What's the line??? (I know, late to the party... But I haven't had time to watch lately... :()

  • @fabristunt
    @fabristunt 8 років тому

    Great video as usual, keep 'em coming!
    What was that line?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому +1

      Thanks - glad you like 'em! Your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

    • @fabristunt
      @fabristunt 8 років тому

      I just did. Thanks

  • @abhranilb
    @abhranilb 8 років тому

    Nice video man!
    I gotta ask about the line though! :D

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @stevstomatoe6456
    @stevstomatoe6456 8 років тому

    Great content! Keep it up. I'm sending the email right now!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      +STEVE LEVELEVE - got it and replied :)

  • @tdb922f
    @tdb922f 5 років тому

    Anyone else see this and hear "jump, jump John" "Jump, jump, sir" in their head?

  • @MrLikeke
    @MrLikeke 8 років тому

    Famous last words when landing conventional gear: Now you got it! Ranks right up there with, Hold my beer, watch this.

  • @chadius6061
    @chadius6061 6 років тому

    ok yes... i want to know what "the line" was!... although I'm way behind everyone in asking...

  • @RedButSomeGreen
    @RedButSomeGreen 7 років тому

    as a line collector i feel i need it :P

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please use the contact form at FlightChops dot com

  • @LeftFlamingo
    @LeftFlamingo 8 років тому

    You know I just have to ask for the line =)

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @goprogliding
    @goprogliding 8 років тому

    What were you talking about at the end of the video?! Nice video

  • @maxmanley2586
    @maxmanley2586 8 років тому

    Great video! Have to ask what the line is though.......

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @WIRRUZZZ
    @WIRRUZZZ 7 років тому

    So many questions.
    Did we see a spoiler at 1:00?
    How does one go from regular, weekend-warrior pilot to "I have a real chance of flying a Spitfire and do all sorts of awesome stuff along the way"-pilot? (Well, we know, because somebody helpfully documented it all ;) )
    Can I receive private messages on youtube?
    What is "THE LINE"?

  • @ilikegliding
    @ilikegliding 8 років тому +1

    Enjoyed this video. Jealous as hell...

  • @Braeden123698745
    @Braeden123698745 7 років тому

    I thought you were flying with "The Czech pilot", and I was surprised when he had no accent

  • @rickeystewart9271
    @rickeystewart9271 8 років тому +1

    nice job! and the line is...?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      Thanks Rickey - your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @jonmammen6029
    @jonmammen6029 8 років тому +1

    On the first landing, after you mentioned having to make it to the displaced threshold, he said you were OK to land there...Are the rules regarding displaced thresholds different in Canada (from the US)? Can you actually land before them or did I miss some context?

    • @thehoeser
      @thehoeser 8 років тому +1

      There is no legal issue with landing in the displaced threshold. This is my home airport, and I know that surface is in excellent condition and the approach path is suitable for the chipmunk to land in the displaced threshold. It's not something I would encourage on unknown runways, or at night. For reference, here's what transport canada has to say on it.
      From the Transport Canada AIM:
      "When the portion of the runway before the displaced threshold is marked with displaced threshold arrows (see AGA 5.4.1), it is permissible to use that portion of the runway for taxiing, for takeoff and for the landing roll-out from the opposite direction. In addition, this displaced portion of the runway may be used for landing; however, it is the pilot’s responsibility to ensure that the descent path can be safely adjusted to clear all obstacles. "

  • @evildude109
    @evildude109 8 років тому

    Hehe, I'm interested in "the line."

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому +1

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @niclef314
    @niclef314 8 років тому

    That plane seems like a blast to fly.
    Also, what's "the line"?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @starwarsman96
    @starwarsman96 8 років тому

    I also must ask, are you planning on doing any classic turbine aircraft such as the de havilland vampire?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      crazy enough - I do have potential access to one... interesting...

  • @jasonargyropoulos2674
    @jasonargyropoulos2674 7 років тому

    Give us the line! we are too shy to ask.

  • @Krumelur
    @Krumelur 7 років тому

    What did your instructor say about the last landing? Something about rear wheel first is for the pros? When I did training on the Falke, I was taught rear-wheel first from the beginning. What's your take on 3-point vs. wheels first vs. rear wheel first?

    • @thehoeser
      @thehoeser 7 років тому

      I said "exiting on alpha, that's only for the pros" - really a comment in jest, it's just the first taxiway on Runway 12 indicating a very short landing.

  • @ClearlyMike
    @ClearlyMike 8 років тому +2

    So what's the line you two were talking about? Haha

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому +1

      PM sent :)

    • @Since-oo1gd
      @Since-oo1gd 8 років тому

      Cool video, thanks! Can I get the line too? :)

  • @johnnyappleseed5753
    @johnnyappleseed5753 8 років тому +1

    Hi! I'd love to have a career similar to yours.. what exactly is your main income job? I love old aircraft and I want to fly them a bit like this.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      Thanks! I am a freelance film maker

  • @starwarsman96
    @starwarsman96 8 років тому

    I'm extremely jealous.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @pouyan225
    @pouyan225 6 років тому

    very nice!
    what line? btw

  • @KapiChris
    @KapiChris 8 років тому

    The line please :)

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @ninerocks
    @ninerocks 7 років тому

    so, what was "the line"?
    edit: oops didn't see FlightChops' comment below

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      roger - so are you gonna reach out via the contact form? your account is not allowing me to PM as is the case with many others.

  • @NARRocketman
    @NARRocketman 8 років тому

    Okay, I'll bite. What's "the line?"

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @meduffer
    @meduffer 8 років тому +1

    I'm jealous - a we bit.

  • @flywithjacob
    @flywithjacob 7 років тому

    Now I've got to ask; what's "the line"?

  • @nickyd018
    @nickyd018 8 років тому

    What's the line steve!?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @ChloeMason33
    @ChloeMason33 3 роки тому

    JUST STARTED ON THE CHIPPY ...

  • @thomasmacgowan
    @thomasmacgowan 6 років тому

    Okay, what's the line?

  • @Mk1SpitfireGuy
    @Mk1SpitfireGuy 8 років тому

    One more: what was "the line?"

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      UA-cam used to let you PM anyone, but your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @GlowDigitalVideo
    @GlowDigitalVideo 7 років тому

    Okay' I'll bite. Please tell me what "the line" was. Thanks! -Angel

  • @topgunhotshot05
    @topgunhotshot05 8 років тому

    please pm the line, thanks!

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  8 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @timgraymatter
    @timgraymatter 8 років тому

    What's the line, Steve?

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please email me - flightchops at gmail dot com

  • @djdoole
    @djdoole 7 років тому

    So what's this "line"? Curiosity is getting to me hah

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      your account won’t let me PM you - please use the contact form at FlightChops dot com

  • @pilotff
    @pilotff 8 років тому

    Yes what was the line?

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      @FlightChops  7 років тому

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  • @TadoChip
    @TadoChip 8 років тому +1

    what was the line?

  • @joewedge1480
    @joewedge1480 8 років тому

    The line?

  • @paulzeee
    @paulzeee 7 років тому

    Getting slow doesn't stretch the approach.

    • @FlightChops
      @FlightChops  7 років тому

      Nope... but trying to stretch it by pitching up with out adding power makes you go slow; That's a bad habit I am trying to avoid.

  • @howtimflies204
    @howtimflies204 8 років тому

    What's the line Steve?

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      @FlightChops  7 років тому

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  • @xyzyuhee
    @xyzyuhee 8 років тому

    Whats the line? :)

  • @peterellison2220
    @peterellison2220 8 років тому

    Anyone else recognize the music from Flite test?

  • @typewritersandtubas1739
    @typewritersandtubas1739 7 років тому

    where did the music come from?

  • @KiwiIngenuity1
    @KiwiIngenuity1 8 років тому

    what was the line, man???

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      @FlightChops  8 років тому

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  • @paulearnshaw3793
    @paulearnshaw3793 8 років тому

    Do tell about the line.

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      @FlightChops  8 років тому

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  • @PEPcessna
    @PEPcessna 8 років тому

    flightchops what airport is that you are doing stop and go's on

    • @PEPcessna
      @PEPcessna 8 років тому

      flightchops can I also get a copy of that line please :P

    • @adog1314
      @adog1314 8 років тому

      PEP's it was YQG in Windsor

  • @luciensims
    @luciensims 8 років тому

    What line is he referring to at the end?

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      @FlightChops  7 років тому

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  • @ph13rwun
    @ph13rwun 8 років тому

    What's "The Line"?

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      @FlightChops  7 років тому

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  • @Cesar199617
    @Cesar199617 8 років тому

    what's the line ? hope you can respond

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  • @ryanabano419
    @ryanabano419 8 років тому

    So what is the line?

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      @FlightChops  8 років тому

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  • @Felipe_
    @Felipe_ 7 років тому

    So, what's the line? Lol

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  • @niallwelsh
    @niallwelsh 7 років тому

    The line??? :)

  • @freckleface941
    @freckleface941 7 років тому

    What was "the line"?

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      @FlightChops  7 років тому

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  • @MrSniperdragon45
    @MrSniperdragon45 8 років тому

    whose line is it anyway?