That time GAME GRUMPS upset the RETRO SCENE
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2023
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This is the story of Arin Hanson AKA Egoraptor AKA The co-founder of The Game Grumps and that time he discovered a lost piece of gaming history, presented it to the retro scene and instantly regretted that decision!
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got mine boss man
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That was a great pivot to the ad!
@@peterfelixarmstrong hahaha it was such a last minute light bulb thing to do as well :P
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I think the anger is completely justified. Nobody likes to get enthusiastic about something that piques their interest only to realize they're actually just being sold something. This is why people recoil all the time at these sort of publicity stunts. There are ways to make this fun and interesting while also make it evident that it's not a real thing. He could have, for instance, showed himself buying the bootleg cartdrige from a russian street vendor that turned out to be JonTron in a very obvious fake costume and accent. He could have pretended to browse the merchandise and ignore genuinely valuable stuff being sold for cheap prices and focusing exclusively on the console and cartdrige (complete with a warning from the vendor about the product being "dangerous" or something like that). Then when he got home he could be trying to plug the console in increasingly high-tech devices and instead of "finding" a proper adapter he could conceive a ridiculous contraption that would allow him to adapt the cartdrige to a Nintendo Switch slot to use that console's wi-fi.
Something like that. Make it silly and over-the-top. Make it evident from the start that the whole thing is just a stunt and people will have no problem joining in the fun. If you deliberately try to deceive them (and, again, for the purposes of selling them a product) they're only going to get very rightfully upset.
JonTron's UA-cam channel has changed a lot. I remember when he used to make video games reviews. "It's a cat, you put a t-shirt on it, and BAM! It's Bubsy! I QUIT!" lol
I remember when he used to make good videos
He obviously outgrew the NES, his videos are still good though
Me and my son still watch his videos... one of the best videos he did was the Disney bootlegs and the series Starcade which was all about star wars games.
@@BlueflagAlpha still does, just not frequently
Yea, I miss his game related videos. Sure, he can make the other ones, but I feel like he alienated a lot of his audience by only sticking to the other kinds of videos he made. I know I haven't been watching him since then.
It's a bit of an annoying move but, I think retro people got real upset when DKOldies smashed a bunch of "bootleg GBAs" that were not only real but apparently rare. In that case, something was actually being taken away. Working GBAs for one but like- rare and collectable ones- how does a store that claims to be all about retro not do some basic freaking research before not only destroying inventory but proudly recording it?
I think they smashed some games that were also real but they thought were bootlegs. Fun times.
Dkshitters
Smashing inventory? So they hate money?
@@dieinfire920 They thought they were fakes since they didn't know what they were, apparently.
Research is hard, and cost them money
@@Snotnarok there are so few fake gameboy SPs around, it is BARELY a thing. ive literally never seen one in my years and years and YEARS of thrifting and going to retro cons. such an ignorant move to assume they were fake, and even if they were, was destruction really necessary? like surely there could have been a better use for them either way, DKOldies are seriously one of the worst things to happen to retro collecting in general
@@Ronbotnik I've seen a few online that were covered like "I bought a fake GBA" and it's OBVIOUS, it boots up and it's blatant.
DKOldies in 5, minutes could have figured it out, instead they destroyed hundreds of dollars of irreplaceable merch and it'd be funny if it wasn't so freaking sad.
I'm not even that into retro collecting but even I'm going:YOU, IDIOTS, WHY
I like how this video is just a marketing stunt for Slopes Blu-Ray. Sincerely. I love it.
I have the benefit of hindsight, but the instant I saw the “glitchy screen” it was obvious the game was way too smooth and high resolution to be a real retro game.
Yeah I saw a lot of comments instantly call it out
"Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"
Wonder if he realizes the irony in using a vague video title from the book of Cheap Online Marketing Tactics 101
They could've at least made their fake game look more convincing. Seriously, would it have killed the devs to have it in 4:3 aspect ratio?
I don't think it would have mattered much in the long run
Majority of nes games weren't natively 4:3... the TV stretched the image out
This isn't even the worst thing they've done, the controversy rabbit hole for that channel goes very deep.
He knows, he purposefully chose a vague title for this video for that exact reason
No it doesn't. What goes deep is the pile of people trying to create drama for them. And they can, without exception, all fuck off.
@@Jayfive276I hope the Grumps see this bro
Yeah, the infamous JohnTron racism rabbit hole? That rabbit has at least one hole AFAIK.
@@Boogie_the_catJonTron’s alleged racism is the best part
Even the footage at 6:32 doesn't obey NES restrictions.
Yep
Yeah, soon as I saw that video I knew it was fake. No NES game looked like that, especially not one thats claims to have been developed in Soviet Union. Theres more than 12 colors on the screen and too many tiles. And the whole thing looks too clean for playing a RCA signal on a modern monitor.
The biggest giveaway comes when you count the 16x16 square blocks that would make up a screen, and come up with a screen height of 17 x 16 = 272 pixels (about 1080 / 4) rather than 240.
So basically, it was an advertising ARG that people felt misled by?
Can't really blame either side personally speaking. Making an ARG that obviously fake kind of defeats the purpose.
It's not an arg because there was no game. It was a bad advertising campaign.
Christ I remember this weird little diversion when I still watched Game Grumps on the occasion.
Like there’s a good idea here with what was done, making a game inspired by some weird bootlegs. But it came across as just some blatant marketing push for Soviet Jump Game, and made it feel far more disingenuous after the fact.
"Friends" is actually the second word. "Jumping" is the third. So the hand you're pointing with is pointed at the wrong ones according to your speaking. It should be pointed at the third word, THEN the second one.
that cartrige says "чёткие друзья прыгуниь (первий) " or, directly translated "clear friends of jumpers (first)" no idea what cartridge it is though
Feels weird to open with Arin and Jontron when Jontron hasnt been involved in gamegrumps for over a decade and soviet jump was like 5 years after he was gone?
I don't think it was meant incorrectly, but to explain the very beginning of the channel - that said I agree with you that it is a weird thing to include. Probably was in an early build that included more explanation and it was kept in after the explanation was cut back.
Yeah I get it, I just like to look at the history of the channel, game etc before going into the topic at hand
@@slopesgameroomI appreciate that because I’m unfamiliar with this channel that this video is about 😅
It wasn't weird at all, he was talking about the launch of the GG channel and showed their first videos. It would have been weirder to show footage of Dan when talking about the start of the channel.
also John Tron is a racist asshole
I appreciate that the manufacturer went through the trouble of creating a mascot for their bootleg Famicom clone. That's a level of effort I don't usually see from the clone consoles being sold at pop-up mall kiosks.
On the side note: the topic of bootleg NES clones replacing the original hardware in Eastern European market is a fascinating one, bridging the gap between different generations and worlds. I would know, being a Pole who grew up playing one of them called Pegasus, while the west was already gushing over PSX.
how many of you did it take to hook it up to the tv
@@jsmith3946I guess I should say three? But that joke doesn't really make sense with tv and AV cables :)
I think it's reasonable to be angry about that kind of marketing campaign. It's a betrayal of trust. You get invested in what you thought was a true unfolding story. The reveal that it's just a marketing campaign makes you feel like an idiot for trusting them. It makes you forever question everything those people say from then on.
Not to get all melodramatic, but it also makes you question everything that anyone else does that feels anything like this. You are right, this is a misstep from the guys.
It was a very tongue in cheek marketing campaign, if you thought it was real then its probably good that it taught you to be more critical of what you see online.
@falconJB victim blame much?
@@CaptainXJ there were victims?
Being lied to makes you feel like a victim, you know exactly what I mean, you're not clever. Unless you don't know what I mean then in that case, the adults are talking, sit down.@@carn9507
when Arin opened the case my first thought was "that's fake, it is WAAAAAY too clean in there - also, that technology didn't exist in that form at that time"
i'll admit i wanted to believe it, it would have been amazing to see Soviet Russia lead the way in children's toy technology, but i t just look right
Gotta say, your Blue Ray looks impressive, a lot of effort gone into designing the cover and general presentation. Well done whoever did it.
The artwork was a mix between myself and Zombie Workshop and the layout was a mix between AKATIMO84 and myself :D
@@slopesgameroom You did a great job. The design as well the idea of using the Sega Pirate etc. Good stuff. I really like your SOR 'pinepot' If you want to give it me i won't say no... J, Where can i buy one?
I remember being very vested in this discovery back then. I too wanted this to be real.
Yeah, me too. In hindsight, it should had been really obvious when Arin "found" the port from inside the Dendy, but...
congrats on the blu ray, much deserved for the amount of work you put into your productions through both research and editing. if I had a blu ray player still I would def buy a copy, hell I might just get one anyway lol.
Hahaha much appreciated mate :D looks like they are gonna sell out within a week or so
You can't just "connect" a serial port to the internet. You'd need have a dial up ISP for the modem to negotiate with. And where did people think the server was running? In a nuclear bunker under Moscow?
Yeah, that's what showed me this was super fake right away...
They got people to believe that 80's internet was as simple as today, without knowing how the technology worked. There are so many layers that won't work...
>comments are talking about how bad Jon and/or Arin is and not discussing the video itself
Expected.
Bro, the way you spoked at 5:55 with the soundtrack playing almost felt like you were rapping
I should totally drop a rap in the middle of a video in the future
I don’t think we’ll ever see a “time DJ Slope upset”…anyone.
Unless it’s from tallarico, otherwise, yeah! Keep up teh good hard work man!
(And yes it says posted 5 mins ago and I’m 4.5 mins into watching. )
Don't forget to get the balls too while you're down there
I wouldn't say "upset" but his initial Super Mario Movie opinion didn't age well aka he think the film was going to bomb and won't be good!
Hey now, I will have you know that Tommy Tallarico's mother is proud of him!
I never said it would bomb. I said that it's a mistake to have famous people in the voice roles and I still stand by that.
speaking of bait and switch ads
it really does blow my mind that people were mad at this super obviously fake ARG/stunt. I really don't get it, did anyone actually fall for this? Are they stupid?
Yes. Yes they are.
I swear the first moment the video shows the "original" cartridge my first instinctive thought was hey, that's strange - as someone growing up in the 80's behind the iron curtain (Hungary in my case) I know we simply did not have felt tip marker pens this side of the iron curtain that would look anything like this decades later. It could hardly be seen it would have faded so significantly by now. Even if it had spent most of its time in a box, away from light. I have booklets that have been stored in boxes or bags and inside drawers for decades, and most of the ink has simply faded into near oblivion.
Even in the US old labels can turn quite yellow.
That label looks artificially aged. No reason for it to be all ripped up.
That elephant mascot looks interesting.
Oh hey, I did all the art and animation for that game. Didn't manage the marketing though. I did think it in all parts was a dead give away though, so I was shocked to hear people believed it in the beginning. But hey, some people don't know about color restrictions or the advent of online gaming etc.
This was a spit in the face to the world of game preservation, and I have never forgiven Arin for it. Mostly because not once did they even attempt to apologize to the community.
Celebs really appologize
Get over yourself mate. It was a comedy UA-cam channel not a BBC documentary.
By Zuul's immaculate nipples, I'd completely forgotten about this whole thing. I got hit with a rush of memories. I remember when this whole thing was going down, and how exciting it all was as someone who enjoys retro gaming. It wasn't even entirely farfetched. Stuff like this does occasionally occur legitimately. When the reveal finally came out, i recall being disappointed and frustrated, but not particularly upset. It was definitely in poor taste, and it hurt their credibility for sure, but then, i never looked at the Grumps as really being part of the retro gaming community. They're a let's play channel, who sometimes play retro games. So their credibility in that scope, was never very high for me. Honestly i don't know why they pulled this, or why they thought it would work.
To be honest I didn't watched Game Grumps again since JonTron left the show, so I didn't know this controversy or any others.
So fake a "lost media" just to advertise a random indie game?, yeah doesn't sounds bad to me but still can be controversial depending in how far it goes the lie.
And this one it went a little too far.
seeing Slope talk about Game Grumps is surreal but I'm all for it lol
Cheers mate
@@slopesgameroom 👍🥂 - It took me a moment to realize that by 2019 Jon had already left and Dan was in on it too I think.
I wonder how long it will be another video like this on the grumps about Airn "deceiving" his uncle marketing comes out. So many fans were upset that it was Arin in a costume trying to sell his own book rather than him having an estranged uncle that randomly showed up sell his books on their show.
tbh, this was half as bad as I would've expected from Arin.
i do not think anyone in Slavic countries cares at all about Matryoškas... thats something only people further west obsess about.
Jon does have original ideas for content these days but id be lying if I said I wouldn't prefer that he start reviewing games again
Edit: Also this video was not at all what I was expecting it to be based on the title. I'm not complaining but come on man, you knew exactly what you were doing with that vague video title lol
We had the same/similar system in poland back in around 1990 called "Pegasus". The first Pegasus systems as far as I remember looked exacly like famicom and came with a multi game cardridges. The games on these were mario, tetris, contra, nuts & milk, kung-fu, urban champion, duck hunt (yes the pegasus was sold with the light pistol) and lots of other games. But you could purchase additional cardriges with a lot of games from NES like duck tales, simpsons, chip n dale etc. The highest value had cardridges called golden 5 with 5 really good games like dizzy, micro machines, big nose and some other titles that I dont remember now. these cardridges looked even better than normal ones. Later in 90's pegasus was sold under various names and changed look for example PlayerStation that looked like PS1 😂 ohh good ol times lol :)
Wow, egoraptor has always suck...
3:50 Because you know, apparently it was too hard for the guy to fetch Google translate and snap a picture. Unless of course the text was too illegible for even Google.
Bro advertised a Kim justice feature like it was a good thing
I really need that Blu Ray. Looks awesome Dan!
I remember this. I was pretty mad for a bit. I was bummed they faked this, because I love lost media. I fell off the wagon for grumps for a while because of it.
Ok, I'll buy your blu ray, twist my arm. Just what I needed, more sega sh%t in my sega collection.
You can never have enough SEGA SHIZ
I miss when Jon was funny and when the Game Grumps weren’t carried entirely on the back of Danny Sexbang.
That feels like a lifetime ago.
Jon is still pretty funny but it's a variety show now
@@TrashQueenAndKing after his racist rant on Twitter...
@@GiordanDiodatoyou talking about his debate with destiny? Who was notorious in the debating scene for going off topic, make someone say something controversial or negative to trap them, and harp on them for it? And reminder, Arin also had said some racist stuff in the past as well
@@GiordanDiodatoyou gonna get on Arin for his racist comments too? its only fair
4:38 love the use of the "Enth E end" instrumental
10 minutes to say "It was a bit of viral marketing."
slopes click bait
He does tend to go about things in a very roundabout way.
I think we can all agree that Game Grumps hasn't been the same since JonTron left. It just doesn't feel right without his chaotic energy counterbalancing Arin's demented personality.
That Pine Pot neon sign is really badass, was that a custom job or did you buy it somewhere? Would love to hang it in my game room and have to explain the reference to everyone
It was a custom mate
Don't think I didn't catch you using Enth E Nd for background music there. Excellent choice.
Dunno who this Egoraptor guy is. He's really rocking the Howard Moon look, innee?
I only watched this because the BFDI Mouth is in the thumbnail…seriously, it’s fucking EVERYWHERE!
i own the COOLBOY, Micro Genius IQ 502 and a Playstation 1 that is actually a NES, called, Mastergames, it has 9000 NES games inside, but actually only 5 games .... 9000 times ..
This could have worked if done right. But they dropped the bag, but that's Arin!
Any chance we will get a digital release of the sega history blu-ray?
Seems like a lot of people just got bent out of shape that they were tricked by marketing.
Our Southamerican Famicom clone was called the Family Game, everybody had one! This is super normal for thirld world countries, still to this day you can find cloned consoles.
Linkin Park's Reanimation album is underated by LP fans and it's a huge shame.
Great video and fantastic presentation.
I agree mate. It's a fantastic mixup
eh they are a trash band
That 'Enth E Nd' in the video was definitely a pleasant surprise.
@@bojangle Same, I was enjoying the vid anyway and hearing this lesser-known banger from my teenage years just made it even better. DJ Slope indeed.
One of the few channels which seems to be allowed to play licensed music and 100% does so. It does nothing but enhance the experience. I guess because my nostalgia for old videogames goes hand in-hand with my nostalgia for the tracks of my teenage angst years. The music and the games happened at about the same time!
Awesome meeting you Sunday at Blackpool play expo.
My best friends older brother told me that the Blair Witch Project was real. Had dial up internet, but wasnt exactly a fact checking machine. I spent many nights awake, terrified.
Jump n Bump is all the 2d action battle royal you need
@15:00 your switch collection is about to fall, dude 😜
Congrats on the blu ray! Cant buy it but thats cool!
I never even heard about this. I watched GG from the beginning until i checked out around 2015-16.
To be fair to Arin, every time he opens his mouth, someone gets mad.
Either he's an excellent actor or people are extremely naive if they didn't see all the glaring inconsistencies.
I've not watched Game Grumps' channel. I prefer watching YT channels like Gaming Historian, Slope's, James Rolfe's channel, and others that educate us.
ok but the funniest thing is that erin hanson is now a voice actor and was in the owl house
Yeah and in one of the more important bit parts as well. They probably hired him on without knowing about what he did beforehand.
those in asia(around that area) would be familiar with the micro genius console shown at the @0:57 mark
Oh my. I understand as I too would've been infuriated at a fake NES game that turned out to be a Windows 10 game!!
I like watching video essays and documentaries like these as they show me what not to do.
In particular, with an idea I had for a graphic novel series, I had the idea to do a prequel that would be serialised as a webcomic with a different comic panel layout (2×2 instead of 2×3 or 3×4 grids) and genre, where I would then hide clues to the first graphic novel in the series.
Prior to watching this video, I didn't think anyone would dislike the sudden shift in genre and plot (in particular, the sudden shift from slice of life to sci-fi), and I realised that the comics that led me to come up with the idea of a prequel webcomic were done in a way where the same characters, locations, essence, and genre were all kept but the story arcs were longer.
I could still create the prequel if I wanted to, but would have to do it while developing the book series and would have to introduce the book elements gradually. Basically, the prequel webcomic would be planned alongside the main book series.
How did you use the linkin park track in this video.
I thought this ARG or marketing or whatever you want to call it was fun, you get to a point when you are like is it real or not, then more towards the not of course, but then they had to put out the announcement that it was just an ad before finishing the arc (from memory) because everyone was having a sook.
They used to have these terrible people working behind the scenes a while back.
They were actually lowlife scumbags, just glad the new staff they have seem chill.
so basically they saw the discovery channel dragons special and said lets do that with a video game. still wont forgive discovery for that.
9:28 Had a feeling.
Interesting stuff!
I hadn't even heard of this before today. I hadn't been watching Game Grumps all that closely around 2019, and only sporadically watch new stuff if a game looks interesting (the most recent being Powerwash Simulator). If I had been watching around this time, I think I would have enjoyed the ride, even if the whole buildup was just viral marketing. I might have been a little mad at first, but I'd respect the dedication to the joke ("You got me good, Game Grumps!"). Now, if they'd done a crowdfunding campaign around this, with the "discovery" of the game as their pitch, then I think the anger would be justified. That would be fraud. This, however, was just fun.
Managed to snag a copy with slip cover. Only 146 left at the time. Nice
Ahhhh huge thanks mate, super proud of these and the reviews are coming in strong
It's funny that Arin actually trolled the entire retro gamers with this fake and click bait video they've made. I gotta say, that it's actually a genius way to do it. Even if it means manipulating your fans and tricking them into buying their upcoming indie game. Anyways congrats on getting your Blu-Ray on one of your vids you've made on UA-cam.
Talking of cheap knock-offs, that background music around the 5:00 mark sounded similar to Linkin Park - In The End
That it did :D
I feel like I'm one of the few people who wasn't angry about this video. I also find it entertaining seeing social justice activists bitching about JonTron all these years later. I'm glad Jon makes them angry still to this day.
14:18 Of course the plushie's foot is covering half of the only Japanese game's title so I can't read the hiragana...
UPDATE: Wait! ...I got it... it's Puyo Puyo!
Wow, I never thought Arin would stoop so low. :/
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HOCH HECH!
4:44 Reanimating the Reanimation. Great Album.
Awesome album
Professor asobin
So when did they say, this Game originally came out? And why is Putin playable?
They trolled their fans.. oh well
You mean that time the retro gaming scene fell for a merketing campaign and couldn't take a joke?
so they did an ARG type thing and it gotten people mad? interesting
Arin is kind of a genius UA-camr. He plays games bad on purpose so thousands of people comment in frustration about what he is doing wrong. Such an easy way to farm engagement. Guy also lives in California so his rent is a nightmare. Can't blame him for doing what he needs to do to make money.
I doubt Arin is playing Games bad on purpose his just bad at playing games.
Oh wow. Game Grumps! This really takes me back. I stopped watching them after Arin playing games that he dislikes (usually Sonic and 3D Zelda) games badly on purpose, way too many times. He's always been a bit of a weasel so I'm not surprised that they did something like this lol.
the closest thing i can think of to a battle royal on the nes is Nekketsu Fighting Legend
Wasn't too bothered by it, myself, although I found the whole thing suspect from the start. Figured partway in it'd be some advert for a thing. Lo and behold, 'twas.
A really different take for you, but i really enjoyed it anyway
Glad you enjoyed it!
i naturally assumed i think anyway? the issue would have been Nintendo kicking off about it! You know how they like a good lawsuit!
The thing with GG but more with Arin in specific, its that he thinks some of this stunts are "cool" and whatever he does is "cool" and interesting and dont get me wrong it is a cool marketing stunt....if you do it right of course, which Arin isnt very known for doing stuff that is particulary "intelligent" enough to loop back to being "cool"
The dude is very very obsessed with the NES era of gaming and i get that, there is something about that era that always evokes creativity and innovation, where "games were games and you didnt needed any other added bullcrap or fluff, it was you, the controller and the game ahead" and i really get that mentality i really do, but Arin sometimes forgets that tech evolves overtime, tastes and trends as well, people doesnt stay the same all the time, and even if nostalgia is a powerful thing it can be also one hell of a double edged sword, this game was doomed to fail not just because he false adverticed it but because its not a very strong concept to begin with to gather enough solid foundation to even stand up for itself among the other more succesful games on its genre.
Nobody except people around Arin's age and likes were going to play this game for much long, not with more than 20 or 30 years of expossure of any other kind of games, the game its fine but its surfice level fine and that's it, with all that Arin does its always "enough" to be passable but like everything he does also ends up back again into the ether were it came out.
arin and dan just done like 50 vids on tears of the kingdom so he does play recent stuff too.
God this takes me back. Was fun when this was being revealed back in the day
How was this fun? This was a massive cocktease for a mid "retro" product?
I remember watching these videos when they came out and even tried the game when it launched and I thought it was just alright at best. I think that was also around the same time I decided to unsub from Game Grumps.