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Sure, I may not love this game... But I DO love it's history!
One of the most controversial games ever created, really isn't that bad!
One of the craziest thing's about it's history for me is that it took over 20 years to finally get the game the way it was always meant to be played!
But to get it to that point we had to get past it's horrendous Kickstarter! And in this video, I document it all!
Now go check out MY LIFE IN GAMING'S VIDEO on this game's history! Even if you know it already, go check it out anyway as it really is a fantastic watch: • Night Trap: 25 Years L...
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I think it's an interesting game for its time, many people don't realize it was originally intended for the cancelled Project NEMO console by Hasbro(as was Sewer Shark).
I dont hate it. Im not a big fan of FMV games but of them Night Trap is beloved for its content and idea.
5:54 Closed captions are absolutely useless for us deaf people :/ please help - sometimes memes distract from the experience when they compromise disabilities like this
I think it's pretty gross, tbh. And it's not at all surprising that the guy who directed it turned out to be a conkwocket.
Also, thoughts* (sorry! Pet peeve!)
@@WobblesandBean WTF is a "conkwocket"?
"Night Trap will never appear on a Nintendo system"
That quote aged well.
Can he now be done for lying in court?
What's really sad is, there was a project called Camdrone in development by the dev's of Super Meat Boy, that would have been an actually scary version of Night Trap, I think. It's a pity it never came out
It was in IP purgatory for a while, but they managed to get the rights back. Edmund McMillen said he might work on it after Mewgenics.
@@trashbash2788 Let's hope so
wasn't that an ARG?
@@gilgazack9403 Well yeah, but it was supposedly tied to a game
@@trashbash2788wait, mewgenics? I thought that got canned!
This honestly felt like 4 old guys bought the rights then had no idea what to do with it, so lets get back our money. If the rights did cost $250,000, that leaves about $50,000 for development, licensing, manufacturing, after fees (kickstarter takes about 10%). I dont think they would have delivered if funded.
That was something of the perception at the time too, especially as it was clear that they didn't really have any game development experience more recent than the early '90s.
Wait hold on.. are you trying to tell me that the executive producer of a modestly sleazy slasher game has turned out to be a sleaze himself?! 😳
I know, it's shocking. I might have a heart attack from how unexpected this was.
What's funny is that despite all the controversy this game had, it's rated T in its later releases.
Carmageddon was being banned and slapped with high rating on re-release despite the Die Hard games being far more graphic. Caddicarus covered it in a video and pointed out that despite it being absolutely covered in the R-18 label, it still says on the back that it's fine for 15 and 16 year olds so they clearly couldn't make up their mind
I remember the controversy at the time, but never actually saw the game, and just assumed it had equivalent violence to an R rated slasher movie of the time. Decades later learned how ludicrously tame the thing was.
@@suedenim It would only get a PG rating if it were a movie. It was about as violent as a Halloween episode of an 80s or 90s sitcom and just as silly!
Did anyone else LOL when the senator said "Night Trap achieves an unprecedented level of realism" at 4:40?
I'd say Night Trap and FMV games in general have aged very poorly (SEGA-CD era), as a kid, these games always creeped me out with the actors staring at you in the eyes trying very hard to make you feel like "You are in the game".
I find them a fascinating time capsule.
"ALRIGHT! CLIMB ABOARD, DOGMEAT!"
The whole controversy around this game is a perfect example of mass hysteria. No body who actually played it would think it was anything but comically ridiculous. The idea that it was promoting violence or whatever is so stupid.
I've heard that when confronted with the fact that they are outright lying about the game's content the congresscritter directly talked to said something along the lines of "Don't care".
Not only that but it came out during a time where horror movies like Halloween and all that were out and way more graphic.
That's what I find so shocking about this entire thing. Even just looking at like ten minutes of footage or reading a transcript of the scenes would reveal that the claims of extreme violence and sexual content are lies (not that it would justify bans anyway). These people seriously make decisions and write laws that can affect entire industries, and therefore the livelihood of millions, without doing even the most superficial of research. Absolutely mad.
And of course, Nintendo was more than happy to amplify these lies for it's own gain, because Nintendo is and has always been awful but somehow manages to retain an image of a consumer and industry-friendly company.
@@SsnakeBite TO BE FAIR. Nintendo still make good games. Yes, a lot of their business practices are bad, but at least they are still making top tier games unlike other companies that just make bad games and have bad business practices (EA, Konami, Activision Blizzard, ETC)
It aged badly; the whole “video game violence is making our youths violent” and so on bla bla aged badly.
Wonder what things that we talk about or try to outlaw today are going to look like that through the eyes of retrospection, some 20+ years from now … I have my bets on some things…
What was particularly bad was that the Screaming Villains version was loaded with bugs and after a few minor patched the developer abandoned it after about a month. PC users purchased it on a set of hardware requirements that were ultimately incorrect, and instead of it working on just about any reasonable PC, on launch day the specs were updated leaving PC users wondering why they needed a dedicated 3D card for Night Trap, and those that had preordered thinking there was an issue with the game (in particular stuttering video). The developer didn't care, just said get a better graphics card. You can still see some of the posts on the Steam forums after all this time.
Man, that Dragon's Lair footage brings me back. I still remember walking into that Aladin's Castle arcade in Burlington, Vt back in 1983. And it absolutely blew my mind! There was a TV set connected to it on top of the cabinet so you could watch the game even from the back of the crowd of people obsessed with playing it. It was HUGELY popular. And it didn't take long before it was in arcades all over the place. And I don't remember it NOT having a crowd of people surrounding it.
When I first played Night Trap, I thought it was probably the best use of FMV they could have done. I actually liked it, until I discovered one glaring problem. The whole appeal of the game is in feeling like you're spying on what's actually going on inside the house, but you don't have time to actually WATCH what's happening. If you don't spend 100% of your time checking all the cameras to spot and trap the creatures, you quickly lose the game. You only get to see little snippets of what the girls are doing as you lose game after game for not trapping enough creatures.
I created the browser prototype for this game, so it’s funny to see someone cover the Kickstarter 😂
Out of all these FMV "games" from that era I liked Night Tap the most. Though the story was hard to follow if you were trying to play the actual game.. because THERE'SNOTIME!GOGOGO! lol
The fact that it was M and now is a T game, shows how subjective that 💩 rating system is!
Wait…that’s a tad suspicious 😅
Probably gave the game the initial rating because they knew they were being watched by powerful people who already made up their minds about the game's content.
The fact that this was somewhat successful created the Plumbers Don't Wear Ties remaster .
The Night Trap history/Kickstarter is crazy! I heard a bit about Night Trap from Retro gaming videos, but I didn't know the full story behind it.
Thanks for creating this video, and for the My Life Gaming recommendation. I'll definitely check it out. I'll have to try this game out, ironically on my Nintendo Switch lol
Night Trap on a Nintendo system? Wow, Howard Lincoln must be rolling in his office chair.
In terms of Kickstarters, $330k for Night Trap is way too high.
In terms of actually getting all that shit done properly, $330k for Night Trap is actually one of the most realistic price targets amongst game crowdfunds.
Agreed. Most people have no clue what it costs to name a game.
$330k is absolutely nothing to make a game.
Nothing to make a game, sure.
But this is closer to porting several DVD menus.
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 Huh? You need to literally remake the game from scratch. (As Screaming Villains did for the recent Night Trap re-releases)
How else would you play it? Ship a commercial game with a Sega CD emulator? Then how would you get this improved video into the game?
@@DaveVoyles You realize DVD menus also require controller input? Timed animations? May have Easter Eggs?
And if you think it's hard work to convert FMV files? Then you need to lay off the coke, and leave the 20th century behind.
My point was simply that very little of Night Trap's file size went to the gameplay engine. And you'd know that already if you considered the original intended release in the 80's, for a never released VHS system.
You should consider doing one on how Crowd funding got started.
It always sounds weird to me when people say Nintendo is a video game company. It's not, it's a toy company and it behaves like a toy company, their best selling toys just happen to be video games. That's the reason Nintendo is so different from others.
I was confused when I didn't see my name in its normal spot in the credits, then saw my updated UA-cam Channel name towards the end 😅
Great work as always, Slopes! Happy to support 😁
Hahaha I try and mix them around as best I can :D
Night trap the complete history, in a way. Great episode again. Thanks to patreon making me miss a lot of posts, i end watching it with publicity anyway, but it's worth it.
Night trap is a guilty pleasure for me. Not the best but love FMVs in general. I think American Hero is more conversational than Night Trap. I love that FMV Games are back nowadays like the ones from D’Avekki Studios and Wales Interactive and more.
Did you mean "conversational" or did you mean "controversial"?
@@Delightfully_Bitchy controversial. Everyone makes mistakes and we will keep making them. We are human but yeah I was thinking of controversial lol
@@barryaldridge1113in what way? The fact that it was never released?😅 I mean it wasn’t released in the era it was made
@@gracekim25 oh yes it has. Ame4ican hero has been released onto modern consoles.
@@barryaldridge1113 Very true. 🙂
That clip of Howard Lincoln saying that Night Trap (and by extension games like that) won't ever be published on Nintendo consoles, especially now that Sony has tightened their rules and is the Switch the home of all niche games, both violent and lewd, oh the irony.
Also night trap is on the switch. Oh the irony
It’s interesting how there’s still make some FMV style games made today. There’s a game called Death Come True, which is a mystery-themed game using FMV sequences. Made by the creator of the DanganRonpa games even.
The theme song for Night trap is great.
I'm not surprised the kickstarter failed. Nowadays it seems to be some legendary game from the 90s. But back in 1993 I was in high school and pretty aware of the games of the time. This one barely registered on my radar. It was a much bigger deal to the politicians and conservatives than it was to actual gamers of the time. At most I might pay $5 for a remastered version of the game and even then primarily as an oddball throwback. There just aren't that many people then or now who have a real interest in the game beyond novelty of it and its history.
Glad you brought up the 80s portion since that often gets overlooked.
I bought the LRG Collectors Edition of this game for my Switch BECAUSE it was finally going to be on a Nintendo system!! I still cannot beat it and I have not tried using any walkthroughs yet.
Thanks for this great retrospective! Love your work!
Just found your channel, you’ve got some awesome content! Thanks for your work 👍
Lincoln saying that is the only reason I bought Night Trap. On Switch. Sure showed him.
10:15 This really hurt to read as a hardcore Wii U fanboy back then. A lot of third parties were pulling out of the system and this was one of those rare instances where they were like "somebody's gotta say it."
I probably wouldn't *have* bought Night Trap on Wii U myself. (It's on Switch now and I dont see myself buying it), but why deprive Wii U consumers the chance to play it? lol Given the nature of the console, it actually could've worked better than the PS3/360 versions.
Yes it worked better bc if its screen. The main problem was that the wii u was a major flop in sales. Its not worth putting something on that with the small install base. Same happend with the greatest phone os ever made (unironicly) the windows phone. It was by far the best phone os ever made. But it install base was small so not a single dev would publish on the windows phone store. Rip windows phone i will always have you in my heart
"Night Trap" will never appear on a Nintendo system...until 2018.
"Night Tap will never appear on a Nintendo system". That's because no Nintendo system had the power to run it.
As much as Nintendo screwed Sony and then screwed themselves by screwing Sony and as much as their fear based, pseudo-sanctimonious performance to Congress was ridiculous, Night Trap would have buried any Nintendo based disk system the way it buried Sega CD. It's a cult classic now for being an interactive 1980's schlock film, and a "Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead" levels of barely PG one at that. It's retroactive appeal is ironic at best, and it would have been completely forgotten if it wasn't for those hearings and the eventual pre-YT gamer channels openly mocking it the way MST3K brought to light crappy movies the world would have forgotten. If for the wrong reasons, they still made the right call.
The rare times Kotaku were in the positive light.....
I seriously wonder what Howard Lincoln thinks of this now?
6:15 Don't show him the 25th anniversary edition avaliable on the Nintendo Switch™
"achieved unprecedented realism"
Friday the 13th movies are more realistic than night trap was.
Well yeah, Tom Savini🤘
You are aware that in the sequels Jason died, went to hell, came back as a sentient heart who mind controlled a guy into eating him so Jason can take over the guys body, then went into space, right? This isn't even factoring the time Jason got into a fight with a psychic girl or the fight with the pedophilic astral-litch janitor who was angry he was killing so many people.
@@Delightfully_Bitchy Pretty sure they meant Parts 1 to 5 being realistic, and that was due to Tom Savini, who if I recall, was actually a war veteran (Vietnam), so he knew his shit.
Part 6 only exists because people wanted Jason back after people were disappointed with the copycat in Part 5. Part 4 was when they actually tried to end the series by killing off Jason, Part 7 onwards was because they struck gold and wanted to keep things going with the new super zombie Jason in Part 6 with mixed results. Part 9 had possession because they were told that they weren't allowed to use Jason.
Yes, I'm serious, in a film about Jason Voorhees, they were told they weren't allowed to use him, they weren't even allowed to call it Friday the 13th Part 9, that's why it's called Jason Goes to Hell.
In case you're not aware the Friday films have a major problem with film rights, something that ultimately came biting back again with the video game a few years back. Part 10 was set in the far future to avoid messing with the canonical timeline involving the fight with Freddy Krueger in Freddy vs Jason, a crossover event that was a very big deal back then, hell, to some people it's still considered a big deal even now
Night Trap by today's standards is comparable to watching Game Grumps and Smosh attempt a UA-cam Originals horror movie. I'll take a realistic (and in Bitchy's case) an unrealistic Jason Voorhees movie any day of the week over either of that.
also I like Night Trap but no shame in saying it like it is, Night Trump is pure dumb but enjoyable stuff lol
@@JargonMadjin No disrespect, but if they meant "only 1-5", they should have said that. That some extreme cherry-picking. If they'd just said "Friday the 13th', it would have been fine. All said, thanks for sharing, you really seem to know your movies. :)
I never cared for the game. I HATE the crappy games that spawned it. Sega wasted so much money on FMV junk. Yet we only got some of the best games on the platform due to Working Designs (who also screwed up game balance and made the original Lunar 2's save system awful). To this day we never got a lot of the Japanese only games fan translated even.
I am just waiting for my copy of Night trap on the Game Boy Advance. This was the April fools game for this year at Limited Run Games.
Imagine your greatest life's work being Night Trap...
I didn't even hear about this Kickstarter back then.
What a mess, calling it missmanaged is an understatement.
I loved Nighttrap on Sega CD 32X.
Another quality video mate 👍🏼
i have a recommendation. Meme Defense. this was a Kickstarter made by Buford Taylor during the height of the Rage Comics meme trend that went mainstream. it was covered by ForeverPandering(Ken Ashcorp) on a popular video of him covering Reddit and meme culture at the time, with him saying "if anyone gives money to this guy and he reaches his Kickstarter goal, then the internet has failed." needless to say, the campaign ended up getting trolled and failed to reach its goal. funnily enough, Buford Taylor ended up created the voice acting audition site, Casting Call Club years after, being a huge success for him.
HAHA I thought your hat said COPS like that show:D that would be funny
Given today's standards, I'm surprised they haven't tried to do a remake of the game and make it even more gory and over the top.
This kickstarter hasn't got nothing on the Ghosts FMV kickstarter, the guy directing it has clearly been using funds raised for other projects, Ghosts was supposed to come out 02/22/22 but I don't think it ever will come out, complete scam
Howard Lincoln is such a grub lol.
The government talking about how violent night trap is while mortal Kombat and splatterhouse are sat in a corner drinking cocktails laughing
Man, I remember the time when developers tried to convince us that FMV was the future of gaming yet they could never make anything but the most basic, simplest games out of the whole deal, all of them horribly acted. What a time.
Bought night trap when it first came out, still have the copy somewhere. Played it for about 30 minutes and got bored.
Its the fnaf before fnaf xD. I dont really have a thing with nighttrap and how it plays. Altough i can very much appreciate the very campy gamestyle! Same way i love bad cgi/effects in 1980-1990 monster movies!
There’s still some charm to Night Trap, I still like it
Oh yeah, it's gaming's version of an 80s B movie horror flick
Night Trap will NEVER appear on a Nintendo console.... now available on the Switch.
I like Toonstruck, Zork nemesis and Grand Inquisitor.
Wait FMV? Hmmm 🤔 I’m intrigued
21.8.23
I can't express how much I hate that effing picture of the SNES CD add on.
It's a crap scan of a crap render (artists impression) printed in one magazine once. But some how became the defacto image used in EVERY SINGLE SNES CD piece of media at least on the Internet.
Even though it's terrible.
Please. Everyone. Stop using it.
I think the craziest port is the one for GBA Video....I literally just watching the "game" without any gameplay...
Howard Lincoln ( I want to state for the record that Night trap will never appear on a nintendo system ) Aug 28, 2018 Night trap 25th anniversary edition for the Nintendo Switch
Hahaha
My favourite game of all time yes it's bad but I was a movie and video game obsessive as a kid I adored fmv era and my mega cd got night trap on release was obsessed with it later in life I became a film maker and more recently I became a game dev and made a bunch of FMV games all because of Night Trap
"Yeah it's cool that you don't trust me to give me your Money, just give it to me anyways, my Bitch Son is crying again, smell you later"
I'm proud to own an original copy of this game and... proud not have played it beyond the opening intro. The video quality wasn't good then and it's aged awfully since, then again every one of these FMV based games has. I'd rather play Sherlock homes on the Sega / Mega CD because it doesn't totally rely on FMVs.
What is video nasties? There wasn’t a video when you said that
I'm sorry buddy, all explained here ua-cam.com/video/hNaKBQJ4KTg/v-deo.html
Night Trap wasnt "nothing" in 1992.
The GD irony that it was RE-rated in the modern times as a T instead of a M is 🤯😅
To be fair, that would happen with pretty much every game, because technology keeps getting better, older games could easily be re-rated due to newer games having more detailed graphics in comparison
@@JargonMadjin 😐😑
@@JargonMadjinis that REALLY how it works?😅
@@gracekim25 Compare Mortal Kombat 1 from the 90's to what we have now, would you still give the 90's one an M rating by today's standards?
It “will never appear on a Nintendo system” because Nintendo couldn’t make a system that could play it. I can’t understand why more people don’t hold a grudge against Nintendo for this move.
Probably because it wouldn't matter. That was a kangaroo court and everyone was already pronounced guilty. It was all about softening the blow as much as possible for each company. Nintendo has done far worse.
Unpopular opinion I enjoyed the game
I had a Sega-CD and played this game. Wasn’t very interesting except for the novelty of a CD game with video. I liked “Sewer Shark” a bit better :)
I beat sewer shark on original Sega CD Hardware last year for the first time
@@Ghaleon42 Wow! That was hard, I never got that far.
Unprecedented level of realism? 😂
As who owned the original when it released I actually like Night Trap and FMV games. 🤷🏻♂️. On a related note, my boss at VGA attended the video game violence trials and helped create the ESA. Twitter is basically Facebook, full of people with questionable taste. 😂
At the time we all laughed at Nintendo.
Fun fact about the Sega CD, it had no copy protection, so as long as you can find a rom and burn it to a writable CD, you can get any and all Sega CD games without needing to hunt down authentic copies that may or may not be rather expensive.
Anybody know where the clip at 0:47 is from?
RIP Dana Plato.
One of the biggest things about using night trap as a scape goat during the video game trials really highlights the point that the people who were offended didn’t actually play or watch the full games. They just had cherry picked content that was gathered to offend. Night trap is so campy. There is no way they would have actually garnered full support if anyone had watched more footage.
Dont underestimate way to old politicians and their way to see everything in black and white. According to their standards night trap was a horrible game that was seen in their very 1950’s way. Same way america only get presidents over 70Y old (not choosing left or right just a general statement).
I have to wonder how the family of the late Dana Plato felt about this.
This story has a happy end, at least.
Please take a look at SpaceVenture for your next Kickscammers video.
I actually found the game available on Amazon.
For the PlayStation 4
The subtitles are terrible. There are numerous timing errors and it is clearly using an obsolete version of the script.
6:16 that was bs it's on the switch for all I know it probably is on the Wii u as well so what Howard Lincoln says here is completely untrue
I bloody love this game and have most versions of it!
Poor Dana Plato
Haha i remember playing night trap on sega cd at a friends house ..
LOL!! You said Kotaku was a popular site... When was that?
He's not wrong, they used to be, a very, very long time ago, when they focused on toys, games and Japanese culture, not activism.
Glad to see Nintendo is still getting shit slapped with every launch of top tier games they can't run...but Sony can
If people actually cared about what games are children played they knowingly buy a M rated game for someone who is not old enough to play the game
Ignorant towards to a rating is not the developers fault maybe if people in America actually were better parents made this whole video game violence bulshit will stop
Yeah they should have blamed the bad parents not the actual games 😅
Was that Mortal Kombat typo your own error or the error of the Kickstarter?
I go on my Switch eShop and buy night trap for a very low price....on a Nintendo system smh....😂
I enjoyed Night Trap.
More like Night Crap amirite.
Don't have a particular problem with FMV, especially during this experimental stage. Critical Path was extremely playable, so was that Shark Sewer game, and Wirehead, just needed better tech. But Night Trap would be forgotten, were it not for the Congressional inquiry. This video was well-made, but only serves to perpetuate the Night Trap mystique. Feels like the channel is looking for a topic and made up an excuse for one.
I remember the OTT response by the snowflakes of the time. Yes it was corny and cheap looking but nothing that you didn't see in any horror of the prior 10 years and more. The whole violence against women thing was stereotypically coming from the religious fundamental far right (what today are referred to as MAGA or 'evangelicals', who had way more political power than they typically have now. But like now, these 'religious' people were obsessed with talking about scantily clad women. Nobody ever stopped and acknowledged that all of the actresses involved did so voluntarily, i.e., were strong, confident, independent women that were capable of making heir own decisions about what they chose to partake in. This of course would have undercut the arguments (that we still see repeated today) that women are almost wholly subjugated by the mythical 'patriarchy', which hasn't existed for a very long time now. Even Mr Slope, despite his very informative videos, has a tendency to dip how own toes into the same 'prude' nonsense at times, devaluing his contributions. But then scandal always sells, regardless of any facts getting in the way. The game itself was poor but more for what they finally delivered in terms of game play rather than the style of the content. But it definitely showed what was possible and I am sure will have inspired many a developer and visionary, inside and outside of basements. The age rating system, as mentioned was already overdue too. If only there was an age rating system for UA-cam content. Children can hear the greatest profanities on many a gaming channel.
Its ok switch?
Anyone here heard of Camdrone?
Honestly given how pro domestic violence pro genocide America is now but this game came out today this game would have got to E for everyone rating
It was a bad game at that time and J doubt it could get any better if it got crowdfunded