Unsettling fact: Even though it was a revolutionary automatic rifle, it was strictly used as an LMG (like most automatic weapons of WW1). And because of Russia’s limited manufacturing capabilities at the time, spare parts weren’t common. This meant that each Fedorov Avtomat was only issued a single magazine.
@@pyro4squirrel That is insane. I know only 3200 of these were made, but surely at some point one of the collectors or museums that have one could fire it, even for record's sake?
@@smothdude a lot of the time museum pieces are broken or missing parts. Not always but it is pretty common. Also it depends on the quality of the upkeep. If it was abused before the museum got it then it could be a single round from breaking, possibly in a dangerous way. My understanding is these were givin to small groups that wern't part of the major force and probably saw little maintenence while in the field.
@@pyro4squirrel Thats a real shame. I guess one couldn't really do this without fabricating one, and at that point it probably wont have the same essence. Really crazy that all we have is a 3sec clip with no real audio of the firearm
Yep that's where I recorded this from too. Every now and then I look through archive footage to see if I can catch a glimpse of something rare. If I managed to find some more of a Fedorov or something else realy rare I would probably look into purchasing the rights, but I probably wouldn't get the commercial rights to post on here.
I know of this same footage on at least one other channel but it's a much lower quality and very dark. Every now and then I go digging through archive footage to see if I can find this or another video of one, but so far no luck.
About automatic firearm at that time Soviet Union paid too much attention into their "FN FAL" like AVT and AVS. These gun were proved to be uncontrollable in automatic firing.Because of having rare caliber this Avtomat Fedorov was rejected And then war came , they rushed into production of SMG. AS 44 was too late.
@@pyro4squirrel IIRC, the army of Finland used captured FAs during both of it's wars with the USSR for both it's regular, and it's ski troops. I suppose if it's good enough for the Finns, it would be good enough for anyone, though keeping in mind, any sort of weapon with appropriate tools and ammunition for the upkeep of the weapon in question is useful insofar as the country can keep it's own manufactured weapons in storage until it's necessary to bring it out at an even later time.
@@pieterwillembotha6719 for WWI and WWII it was good enough, but it suffers from being a VERY early automatic. Focus would have been on getting it to work and be producable. Probably suffer from controlability issues, probably less than acceptable reliability by todays standards, most likely only issued with 1 mag and meant to be reloaded with stripper clips. Also contrary to what most would think the more complicated firearm designs usualy come first and then they figure out how to simplify them so it was probably over complicated to produce as well.
Yeah... the video isn't from a "hunt" lol. But I think they just found some footage of somebody who looked like a siberian hunter (or legit was a siberian hunter) and used it.
I'll have to find it again, but it was a propaganda documentary made in the late 40s or 50s about how great Russia is basically. I want to say I found it on Amazon Prime.
The Battle of Russia made in 1943. You can find it on Amazon Prime. It was part of a larger collection of these propaganda docs. This scene is relatively early.
It probably didnt have candid sound anyways, audio recording back then was far more difficult than filming and often would have just used sound effects
From what ive heard in the winter war due to the soviets not having alot of Submachine guns (If any) they tried using these along with avs 36 rifles as a response to the Finnish use of kp31s however as these weapons suffered from extreme reliability problems and not alot of spare parts the soviet soldiers would often ditch the weapons if they could. The avs 36 and fedorov was if i remember correctly only given to specialized units hence why it wasnt that common. Nontheless its a still quite interesting rifle but is there any reason why they went for the Arisaka rounds instead of their own?
They went with the 6.5 because the designer wanted something with lower power than 7.62x54R and they didn't want to spend the time and resources designing a new round for it. So since they already had Type 30s and 38s in inventory and were buying ammo from Japan it was more simple to use 6.5.
@@pyro4squirrel Ammunition was mainly purchased from Britain, it was produced there at the Kynoch company and at the Woolwich Royal Arsenal , because at the beginning of the WW1, Britain purchased a batch of Arisaka Type 30 and Type 38 rifles. This cartridge was also produced in russia itself.
I would love to but I wasn't exactly searching when I found this footage. I just saw it and freaked out because I had never seen one fired and decided to share it.
adding on to @gruntysskim4145 's comment, the siberians in this film might be using the Fedorov Avtomat because they were part of the Siberian Army, a division in the Imperial Russian army specialized for winter combat. They fought in WW1 and the Russian Revolution/Civil War.
There is apparently records of exactly 1 making it to America but it's not known exactly where it is or if it even still exists. Possibly destroyed in some buy back program or museum downsizing. There are a few that I know of in museums in eastern europe but who knows if they are complete or functional.
Soviet recon team still used this gun in Winter War. Problem is: 1. They took too many attentions in their failed large caliber AR like AVS 36 or AVT 40 (not bad but there is no way to control the recoil) . 2. The lack of 6.5 mm ammunition, that's a Japanese cartridge.
@@mrmakhno3030 They can make a new production line for 6.5, it wasn't that complicated. My guess is 6.5 wasn't powerful enough for a machine gun and still heavy and has too much recoil for close-range fighting, which makes the gun unsuited in any Soviet doctrine, so they abandoned it.
@@macobuzi The problem was more complex. Fedorov's machine gun was difficult to maintain. The 6.5 arisaka cartridge, for all its weakness compared to other rifle cartridges, was still a rifle cartridge and was quite expensive. In the USSR, they could not afford to have several rifle cartridges in service at the same time, this is too many resources. And Fedorov's 6 mm cartridge, which he promoted in the 1920s in the Soviet army until the end of his career, although a good intermediate cartridge, required too many resources to create another type of ammunition in a country ravaged by civil war
Doesn't surprise me at all that a gun like that would end up in the hands of Siberian hunters. I know that after ww2, the soviet government would give Siberian whalers PTRS anti-tank rifles for whaling, because the rifles were outdated for their intended use and keeping them in reserve inventory would also involve keeping the ammunition around. It was easier I imagine to just give these hunters the rifles and all the ammunition they had left just to get it out of the system to make room for other things. A similar thing probably happened here, the Fedorov was chambered in 6.5 Arisaka because of it's small size (for a rifle cartridge anyway), and I'm sure Soviet armorers didn't want to deal with keeping these rifles AND a supply of foreign ammunition around to keep them fed.
@@pyro4squirrel My point still stands, by that point i'm sure the last thing the soviets wanted to worry about was dealing with maintaining these guns they didn't have a reliable ammo supply for. the ones that didn't get used in desperation probably got dumped on the hunters just so they didn't have to worry about it anymore.
@@gruntysskim4145 I wasn't disputing your point at all, just saying that's not what happend in this video. Anytime a country can simplify logistics by reducing the number of different calibers they have they will definitely try to do that. Japan was trying to do the same during WWII by switching to the 7.7 but they never managed to fully replace their 6.5 firearms on the field.
'Hey dad, how was hunti- wait, dad, what is that??' 'Uhh, i don't know, they handed me this when i came back home, it's a gun, that's all i know..*literally holding a Federov*'
I saw this clip yesterday in this old documentary and that , "Wow, that clip is rare! and needs to be saved". Good job!!
Which one was it
Unsettling fact: Even though it was a revolutionary automatic rifle, it was strictly used as an LMG (like most automatic weapons of WW1). And because of Russia’s limited manufacturing capabilities at the time, spare parts weren’t common. This meant that each Fedorov Avtomat was only issued a single magazine.
So you have to use stripper clips or load one bullet at a time?
@@amirferdhany3177 Use striper clips. 5 of them to load all 25 rounds.
reminds me a bit of the lee, revolutionary changeable mags and instead they used ammo cutoff flaps haha
Ah so thats why you have to use stripper clips in hunt showdown 😭
@@JazzerciseJustice What’s Hunt Showdown?
Is this the only footage of this weapon in use? :(
Unless there is some lost footage sitting in storage somewhere, yes.
@@pyro4squirrel Stupid soviet union..
@@pyro4squirrel That is insane. I know only 3200 of these were made, but surely at some point one of the collectors or museums that have one could fire it, even for record's sake?
@@smothdude a lot of the time museum pieces are broken or missing parts. Not always but it is pretty common. Also it depends on the quality of the upkeep. If it was abused before the museum got it then it could be a single round from breaking, possibly in a dangerous way. My understanding is these were givin to small groups that wern't part of the major force and probably saw little maintenence while in the field.
@@pyro4squirrel Thats a real shame. I guess one couldn't really do this without fabricating one, and at that point it probably wont have the same essence. Really crazy that all we have is a 3sec clip with no real audio of the firearm
From the "Battle of Russia" documentary. 1943 That's the only footage of it. great save!
Yep that's where I recorded this from too. Every now and then I look through archive footage to see if I can catch a glimpse of something rare. If I managed to find some more of a Fedorov or something else realy rare I would probably look into purchasing the rights, but I probably wouldn't get the commercial rights to post on here.
I got a copy at Walmart. If you slow it down it looks like he gets three rounds off.
This is the only fotage I’ve been able to find on UA-cam of it being fired
I know of this same footage on at least one other channel but it's a much lower quality and very dark. Every now and then I go digging through archive footage to see if I can find this or another video of one, but so far no luck.
You know it’s rare when they don’t even have it at forgotten weapons
He's done a video of one but it was one of his very early ones. The quality isn't great and if I remember correctly it was missing pieces
I stand corrected. He has 2 videos. A more recent one 5 years ago and one from 13 years ago.
Its a shame how it was decommissioned
About automatic firearm at that time Soviet Union paid too much attention into their "FN FAL" like AVT and AVS. These gun were proved to be uncontrollable in automatic firing.Because of having rare caliber this Avtomat Fedorov was rejected And then war came , they rushed into production of SMG. AS 44 was too late.
I've shot a Full Auto SVT-40 and it's extremely controllable
@@WarFrog935AVT 40*
I hear it was a good weapon. Dunno if anyone uses 6.5x50 Arisaka ammunition anymore though.
To my knowledge nobody uses it anymore except private collectors.
@@pyro4squirrel IIRC, the army of Finland used captured FAs during both of it's wars with the USSR for both it's regular, and it's ski troops. I suppose if it's good enough for the Finns, it would be good enough for anyone, though keeping in mind, any sort of weapon with appropriate tools and ammunition for the upkeep of the weapon in question is useful insofar as the country can keep it's own manufactured weapons in storage until it's necessary to bring it out at an even later time.
@@pieterwillembotha6719 for WWI and WWII it was good enough, but it suffers from being a VERY early automatic. Focus would have been on getting it to work and be producable. Probably suffer from controlability issues, probably less than acceptable reliability by todays standards, most likely only issued with 1 mag and meant to be reloaded with stripper clips. Also contrary to what most would think the more complicated firearm designs usualy come first and then they figure out how to simplify them so it was probably over complicated to produce as well.
I just saw some while shopping at Walmart the other day
15 second commercial for a 7 second video. UA-cam has no shame.
😂😅
chad Siberian hunters using a full auto battle rifle
Yeah... the video isn't from a "hunt" lol. But I think they just found some footage of somebody who looked like a siberian hunter (or legit was a siberian hunter) and used it.
@@pyro4squirrel you are wrong my son
@@hfhfffhfhf unless you can provide sources for your info I'm just gonna go with what my own research has uncovered.
come to Barnaul and you'll see my friend
@@hfhfffhfhf that's not a source.
Damn, I wanted to see them try it on the Polar Bear
No, that's friend in battlefield
What is this footage from?
I'll have to find it again, but it was a propaganda documentary made in the late 40s or 50s about how great Russia is basically. I want to say I found it on Amazon Prime.
The Battle of Russia made in 1943. You can find it on Amazon Prime. It was part of a larger collection of these propaganda docs. This scene is relatively early.
*last time fedorov avtomat saw in 1991 When baltic states leaving from Soviet Union. 1 man have Fedorov Avtomat Assualt Rifle.*
not an assault rifle
@@engiturtle65Yes it is.
@@matthewjones39 nope, it's not. Doesn't fire intermediate cartridges
@@engiturtle65 It’s very close to one.
@@matthewjones39 it fires a full powder cartridge, that makes it a battle rifle, only difference between the 2 is the caliber
It's a shame this guy had to fucking talk over the only known footage of this thing.
It probably didnt have candid sound anyways, audio recording back then was far more difficult than filming and often would have just used sound effects
Walter Huston (the father of the movie director John Huston) is the narrator.
Very advanced for the time.
They were fighting a Polar Bear.
Very cool video thank you
This guy must piss a lot of people off in BF1 lobbies lol
Cuh is just annoying
Hola vengo por el juego de Enlisted, este es el rifle de asalto soviético equivalente al Stg 44 alemán en la campaña de Berlín 😅
Battlefield 1 players
👇
No one played that game we played competitive sniping
From what ive heard in the winter war due to the soviets not having alot of Submachine guns (If any) they tried using these along with avs 36 rifles as a response to the Finnish use of kp31s however as these weapons suffered from extreme reliability problems and not alot of spare parts the soviet soldiers would often ditch the weapons if they could. The avs 36 and fedorov was if i remember correctly only given to specialized units hence why it wasnt that common.
Nontheless its a still quite interesting rifle but is there any reason why they went for the Arisaka rounds instead of their own?
They went with the 6.5 because the designer wanted something with lower power than 7.62x54R and they didn't want to spend the time and resources designing a new round for it. So since they already had Type 30s and 38s in inventory and were buying ammo from Japan it was more simple to use 6.5.
@@pyro4squirrel
Ammunition was mainly purchased from Britain, it was produced there at the Kynoch company and at the Woolwich Royal Arsenal , because at the beginning of the WW1, Britain purchased a batch of Arisaka Type 30 and Type 38 rifles. This cartridge was also produced in russia itself.
I'd like to have seen this old documentary
This is really interesting
Maybe to find more footage look at footage from the winter war
I would love to but I wasn't exactly searching when I found this footage. I just saw it and freaked out because I had never seen one fired and decided to share it.
@@pyro4squirrel Oh makes sense
adding on to @gruntysskim4145 's comment, the siberians in this film might be using the Fedorov Avtomat because they were part of the Siberian Army, a division in the Imperial Russian army specialized for winter combat. They fought in WW1 and the Russian Revolution/Civil War.
Full doc where?
I want to say you can stream it with amazon prime. I think it was called The Battle of Russia or Battle for Russia, something like that.
Documentary?
/propoganda.
Called Battle of Russia or something like that
Do we know of any working examples? Not replicas
There is apparently records of exactly 1 making it to America but it's not known exactly where it is or if it even still exists. Possibly destroyed in some buy back program or museum downsizing. There are a few that I know of in museums in eastern europe but who knows if they are complete or functional.
i think thats central asians maybe mongolians?(i am from mongolia)
after ww1 ended, the soviets probably saw it as disposable junk and gave it to a random hunter in siberia.
There is evidence that some were still in Soviet Russias inventory during WWII
@@pyro4squirrel they were actually being used during the winter war
Soviet recon team still used this gun in Winter War. Problem is: 1. They took too many attentions in their failed large caliber AR like AVS 36 or AVT 40 (not bad but there is no way to control the recoil) . 2. The lack of 6.5 mm ammunition, that's a Japanese cartridge.
@@mrmakhno3030 They can make a new production line for 6.5, it wasn't that complicated. My guess is 6.5 wasn't powerful enough for a machine gun and still heavy and has too much recoil for close-range fighting, which makes the gun unsuited in any Soviet doctrine, so they abandoned it.
@@macobuzi The problem was more complex. Fedorov's machine gun was difficult to maintain. The 6.5 arisaka cartridge, for all its weakness compared to other rifle cartridges, was still a rifle cartridge and was quite expensive. In the USSR, they could not afford to have several rifle cartridges in service at the same time, this is too many resources. And Fedorov's 6 mm cartridge, which he promoted in the 1920s in the Soviet army until the end of his career, although a good intermediate cartridge, required too many resources to create another type of ammunition in a country ravaged by civil war
😂
Doesn't surprise me at all that a gun like that would end up in the hands of Siberian hunters. I know that after ww2, the soviet government would give Siberian whalers PTRS anti-tank rifles for whaling, because the rifles were outdated for their intended use and keeping them in reserve inventory would also involve keeping the ammunition around. It was easier I imagine to just give these hunters the rifles and all the ammunition they had left just to get it out of the system to make room for other things. A similar thing probably happened here, the Fedorov was chambered in 6.5 Arisaka because of it's small size (for a rifle cartridge anyway), and I'm sure Soviet armorers didn't want to deal with keeping these rifles AND a supply of foreign ammunition around to keep them fed.
This clip was taken during WWII around the time of operation Barbarosa if I remember correctly
@@pyro4squirrel My point still stands, by that point i'm sure the last thing the soviets wanted to worry about was dealing with maintaining these guns they didn't have a reliable ammo supply for. the ones that didn't get used in desperation probably got dumped on the hunters just so they didn't have to worry about it anymore.
@@gruntysskim4145 I wasn't disputing your point at all, just saying that's not what happend in this video. Anytime a country can simplify logistics by reducing the number of different calibers they have they will definitely try to do that. Japan was trying to do the same during WWII by switching to the 7.7 but they never managed to fully replace their 6.5 firearms on the field.
@@pyro4squirrel gotcha, yeah fair enough.
'Hey dad, how was hunti- wait, dad, what is that??'
'Uhh, i don't know, they handed me this when i came back home, it's a gun, that's all i know..*literally holding a Federov*'
It was used in Apocolypse Rising more then in real life I'm sure lol
havent played that game in a while...
The granddaddy of assault rifles.
yeah... and last time fedorov avtomat saw in 1991 When baltic states leaving from Soviet Union. 1 man have Fedorov Avtomat Assualt Rifle.
It’s a infantry weapon it’s a semi rifle not a assault rifle
@@C.A._OldI own one won it in a auction in soviet Russia in 1971
@@Alexander.alhaidairy It's a full auto rifle that fires intermediate rounds, it's basically an assault rifle.
ALMIGHTY God KABIR 🙏🙏
Looks like it has a nasty firerate!
Remind Me To Buy A Fedorov Avtomat Just To Film Myself Firing It.
Invite me over when you do
@@pyro4squirrel Bet
Really Chonky Full Auto- Nagant-
These were actually chambered in 6.5 Arisaka instead of 7.62x54R
@@pyro4squirrel Yes, i know.