After a plethora of dumb moves by Sony and some Arrowhead devs, I uninstalled the game for the longest time. But I've finally gotten back into Helldivers 2 yesterday in time for building the DSS and I have to say I'm SO glad they reverted their needless nerfs and buffed some previously meh weapons Your video helped a ton to get back in the know on what's now been given some love, thank you heaps!
I think something not a lot of people realize about the Scythe is that because it sets enemies on fire quickly, has no shot deviation, and is hitscan, you can use it like an incendiary marksman rifle, picking off whole swarms of bugs from incredibly far away.
I'd like to argue for the sickle to be brought up a tier. With the change to the recoil its basically a full auto sniper against the bots with it only taking 2 or 3 headshots to kill devastators and that is so easy with the recoil removed. Bugs its fair placement but for the bots alone I'd say it's utility since it's range is perfect to wipe hoards before they even agro onto you
@@headlesshiidra I’d love to see a medium pen variant of the sickle and I could personally justify it being chefs kiss. As for utility I look for medium as you don’t have to switch your weapon when dealing with light to medium armored enemies.
I was running the cookout as my main while occasionally trying other guns to see if I liked anything else. I tried a ton of guns but then I got to the crossbow. It is so fun to use and being able to close bug holes makes it so useful
I think the SIckle could be bumped up one more tier: It's not broken, but they tweaked the recoil mechanic just a bit (as in they just got rid of it, lol), and it's still the sustained fire king of Primary Weapons.
I had a comment similar to yours in my primary tier list last video, I'd love to see a medium pen laser weapon like the sickle. I'd make that a utility King/Queen if it resembled how good the sickle feels!
My only problem with Torcher is that I can’t justify bringing a primary that doesn’t stagger Stalkers on bug missions. Cookout and Blitzer are my bug mission choices.
The Crossbow is hand down the best primary. I used to run Shield pack but because the add control with this weapon is phenomenal I feel comfortable running anything even no Backpack. Though Supply Pack shines with the CB. 10/10
I don't think the sickle lost any mag/heat sink capacity, rather that they rescaled that stat for ALL laser weapons, and so the new value of 7 is equivalent to what it was before.
2:09 for the longest time, I used it like a marksman rifle. The dilcs was definitely higher damage, but didn’t have as much pen, and lost a lot from that.
Liberator and Breaker SP has something good that isn't quite shown on stat. They are both very good at getting rid of chaff that is in melee range or near friendly. It is a result of low recoil, mag size, reload speed, and not killing your teammate in couple shots and not preemptively trigger mines. If we rate everything by fire power, certain primary just makes no sense like Liberator vs Tenderizer or Breaker SP vs Breaker Inc. But as a support role weapon, they are very good.
Also worth mentioning, the Dominator isn’t *technically* explosive. It has no AoE, nor does it have the explosive trait that makes it deal 90% of base damage to durable enemy body parts(this trait is a considerable boon for the guns that have it, as most guns deal less than 90% to durable parts). It does have the punch of a gun that oughta be explosive though. 275 isn’t anything to sneer at, but I can’t help but feel that it needs a buff in damage to separate it more from the DCS at 200 and medium pen.
i honestly can't ever justify taking anything other than cookout for bugs. Instant stagger, burning, decent damage + not terrible ammo economy? The only other weapon I swap it out with is the Diligence Counter Sniper for bots, but even then it depends on what I'm running. A good list tho! like some others have said different guns do different things so not having a S-F tier list is a good way to do it! As a side note: Have you tried the "Guard Dog" Dog Breath backpack with Flamethrower? It's amazing combo if you haven't yet. My Personal Equip List for Bugs [ATM] Medium/Heavy Armor [Inflammable Perk] Cookout/Grenade Pistol/Stun Grenade "Guard Dog" Dog Breath/Flamethrower/ Anti-heavy (500kg or Precision Strike)/ Napalm Barrage
IF I LOVE TORGUE THEN I LOVE CROSSBOWS! THEY GO BOOM AND HAVE CABLES FOR SICK IMPROVISED GUITAR SOLOS! Medleedledlew! [ALSO I RESPECT CLASSIC PROJECTILE DELIVERY SYSTEMS AND THE RELIABILITY. DONT CALL ME NERD LIKE IT IS A BAD THING! NERDS MAKE THINGS BOOM!]
My god. I didn’t think I’d find a video where somebody wasn’t negative about a tierlist. And a critical thinker too! You’re a Democratic diamond in the autocratic rough my good sir.
@@chargeit7897 thanks man lol I honestly can’t stand the bland tier list formula. I did it once and disliked my own video. There’s enough complexity to each weapon to where it’s worth discussing strengths and weaknesses o7
I am the guy that uses Liberator Pen and Stalwart. Love the LibPen an always see people put it low.... Yeah 5 or 10 rouds more would be awesome but still great to let teammates deal with bigger bugs. For the Automatons still great tho need to change the fire mode to not waste ammo
The knight SMG probably now has the highest DPS of primary weapons, but a recoil and spread that hurt it in distance. Full auto imho is too fast for general use with the knight, so I tend to either manually fire it in bursts or simply switch to burst fire. Both of these greatly help keep accuracy relatively high and the magazine efficient. I simply cannot go back to the defender SMGs, they’re far too slow.
@@Aegxs you have me intrigued, the fire rate for that weapon has always been insane to look at. I’d wanna test it on a charger rear to see how fast it goes down o7
The purifier needs a little work but I love it so much as a concept that I CANNOT put it down against the bots. If you land your shots it stunlocks every devastator/strider & deals reasonable aoe damage. It can also kill a gunship with 3/4 a clip which took practice but was reliable. I wanna see it buffed too, it needs it, but give it a chance 😢
Honestly, the proposed internal buff to it to fire like the scorcher as well as charge up like the purifier kicks the purifier in the face. It’s charge is just too long, cut it down by 25-33% and it’d perform as it should (maybe more damage so it can one tap striders like it was advertised in Polar Patriots’ announcement)
I treat the Adjudicator like a primary version of the MMG stratagem minus the fire rate settings so i like it over the Liberator-AP slightly. while i typically prefer other high stagger weapons. if i anticipate needing to keep multiple enemies off friendly turrets from a distance i do quite like the Liberator-Concussive if my stratagem weapon synergizes with it. The fire rate on the liberator carbine does make it work really well with the 3-burst fire setting. With a magazine of 45+1 this also lets you count to 15(15*3=45) so you can do a shorter tactical reload instead of a full reload. for missions that have nests/fabricators i usually take the eruptor+bushwhacker with me. Then Lascannon/AMR for automatons and Flamethrower for terminids. for eradicate missions and defense missions then i go with the dominator since all the targets are moving towards me anyways. My advice with the Eruptor and Dominator is reloading when you have 1 bullet left so you don't have to re-cock the weapon. I've seen some people do some fire-rate canceling with the Eruptor but i haven't been able to reproduce that personally and don't feel the need to squeeze out even more fire rate.
@@johannhawk8471 solid points and loadouts. I like doing the fire rate cancel with the Eruptor though it’s probably not as helpful as it was prior to the shrapnel being re added to the weapon o7
You know you're old when you get every reference used not because of memes but because you actually watched each film 😂😂😂 excellent video nice to see the numbers too not just opinion ❤
Thanks for the kind words! Hopefully I inspired the younger generations to check out Rambo lol and yeah I'm glad I saved those numbers from the last video lol
@@KickBack-z6f thanks lol. Tier lists can definitely be a bit skewed at times for personal preferences. I do welcome any differing opinions as everyone has their own perspective o7
@dadpoolgames1748 In the one I watched, he was catering heavily towards incendiary weapons, but put the Torcher in his "viable" tear (F tier). 90% of the guns got put there, and his only "testing" for them was how fast it could kill an alpha commander. Can you guess which gun he glazed the most? Unsurprisingly, the incendiary breaker.
adjudicator is good, but the ammo and recoil isn't the best while i used to main the weapon, now i prefer to use other weapons that does not only more damage, but also has better recoil also liberator concussive needs a damage buff from 65 to 75 or 80 because it is taking half a mag to kill a brood commander while it is also getting pushed further and further away from you
Maybe my suggestion is over kill but I want all AR damage to be moved up to 90-100 and smg damage up to 75 across the board. When you look at weapons on lib concussive compared to the pumper with their current damage you really don’t have any reason to choose the LC when the pummler is 1 handed. I realize the LC has a larger mag size but not enough to justify its low damage. Edit meant pummler not pumper
I could see a damage increase come to those AR’s. I use the Concussive more so as a utility to get objectives done, but you’re right that it takes a bit to take down your bigger foes.
Idk, Lib Con has a lot of utility. Dropped a napalm and all the bugs are trying to crawl out of it? Fuck no, they're not. Want to push back a bunch of bots, or stagger Devs before you switch to your AC/HMG to chew them apart? Can potentially do this to 60 of them before reloading. Also, clears chaff. It's not supposed to kill mediums fast, imo, that's not what it's for. It's for bullying crowds into your minefields, or napalm, or barrages, or...you get the idea.
First off when I say this I’m not defending the purifier I am aware it has way to many draw backs. However the best success I had with it is if you use it like a marksman version of the scorcher. Keeping a distance with this weapon is what makes it work. Also it has a noticeable projectile drop off. Because of its slow fire rate it’s good to bring weapons that can handle multiple enemies and for the in your face enemies. Also I am referring to bots don’t bother against bugs. Recommended buff: Damage: 250->300 or 325 Add a multi zoom scope A slight increase to fire rate/ decrease charge up time.
@@AlexanderPadilla-pp3su well said. It can definitely one shot the striders like it was first showcased to us with the polar patriots warbond. My main concern with it is the fire rate and hit registration. Hopefully the devs can make this weapon more favorable for us in the future.
I am clearlay defending the Purifier :D I use it a lot against the bots; i made a loadout to play with randoms that allows you to do well even if your teammates are awful with the supply beacons (taking multiple packs, calling them on the otherside of the map, those kind of stuff that can put you in big trouble...) - Purifier - Dagger - Thermite - Quasar canon - Eagle strafing run - Gas strike - Gatling barrage With the dagger and quasar -> infinite ammo if well managed. Due to the charge up of the Purifier, you waste less bullets and you will automatically use the Dagger a lot agains small bots or Berserkers. The Quasar and Thermite is used against Hulks, Factory Striders, Tanks, and the Strafing Run helps for everything; The gas strike and Gatling Barrage help you controle the battelfield, and gives you the chance to back up and use the Purifier to take down the ennemies at medium to long range. The Purifier is also decent against Gunships. And if a tower is not facing you: 1 shot of Quasar and 1 shot of Purifier destroys it. That loadout is totally viable on difficulty 10, has excellent ammo economy and allows you to pick up backpacks when you teammates call new one for them. I'm very often picking up empty rocket backpacks or supply backpacks which I refill, adding extra support for my teammates. Agains the heavy devastators, the Purifier is excellent because of the stagger, the splash damage, and the range. I would absolutely not use the Purifier against the bugs or when playing solo, but against the bots, it's definitely way better than people say it is. I sometimes finish level 10 missions with the highest number of kills, so you don't even need to be carried by your team like a lot of people say. I would say that the main issue is that in some games, the Striders spawn are insane, and the Purifier is definitely a bad weapon to deal with those fuckers due to their speed and the time it takes to kill one. A buff would of course be great, and if they add a rapid fire option, it will definitely be my favourite weapon against the bots, because it would become the most versatile weapon in the game. In it's current state, agains the bots, I would still put it above all assault rifle and smgs, above all light penetration weapons, above all fire weapon, and above most shotguns (except the plasma punisher of course, and maybe the slugger? I haven't use it in a long time, I don't know...). In a Most underrated weapons tierlist, the Purifier would definitely be all alone on top :)
You did my Punisher dirty. That thing is a CC machine. Same knockback as the Slugger with WAY better handling and more damage (but less pen). Bugs can't even touch you. Also, both Punisher and Slugger can interrupt nurse / bile spewer spit attacks! Use this tactic wisely.
@@thebaumdotcom not diminishing the punisher by any means I just think the cookout is better as it’s providing the same knock back mechanic and damage over time. Slugger gives you the opportunity to penetrate medium armor which makes it a an even better utility than just knockback. If the cookout didn’t exist the punisher for me at least would be a utility king. o7
I feel that to fix some not being useful they should add a booster or ship upgrade that gives all primaries medium armour penetrating at the cost of 2 or 1 magazines
Great video, subscribed. One suggestion, I didn't even realize that you were putting the rating up after each weapon because of the placement of the rating graphic at the bottom of the screen. I think placement between the pre and post update graphics would have been a better view.
Thank you! I could change the graphic placement for sure! An issue I had with my last video was that I input my own subtitles which conflicted with that graphic. Moving it would've remedied that easily lol
That's where I like to use it lol You could compensate the recoil with something like Engineering Kit armor passive but I think it just takes some getting used to.
Considering the breaker incendiary just chews everything up, that fact alone i think is a utility in and off itself hahaha. One guy with the fire cracker and shriekers are pretty much a non threat.
There’s always gonna be “that one weapon” in games like this that you just pop in the bottom tier, and it looks like The Purifier is gonna be this one 😂
Thanks yeah I must’ve forgot it, I made several renditions of the last graphic as I was on the fence for some weapons. Torcher was a new graphic that got lost in the sauce o7
@@iGnashtysif you’re not trying to spend any money, you can always farm the low difficulties for super credits. I do have an older video that showcases this however you can no longer reset one planet area, you’ll have to complete or hop planet missions after looting the areas of interest on your mission map. You can do this solo but with a friend you can go clockwise and have your friend go counterclockwise to loot faster
@@iGnashtys oh I gotcha I’d say democratic detonation is in a pretty good place to start. Its got the adjudicator ar, the Eruptor crossbow and thermite grenade which are all very good
I even after the big buffs I still can’t enjoy the assault rifles I just can’t see the benefit of using them over ether one of the shotguns or the SMGs. And my favorite gun is the sickle.
What don’t you like about the assault weapons? Is it solely based on damage? I’ll give an example for the lib concussive. So for context I have everything unlocked excluding all the superstore items. When the new chemical warbond dropped I just wanted to get medals and unlock the new items. Lib concussive let me be aggressive with tackling objectives and getting out as fast as possible. Was never a glorious stat end screen but the lib concussive gave the utility I needed to get in and out.
@@dadpoolgames1748 I don’t like that I spend more time reloading them then shooting them really. And I find accuracy is non existent when damage is making my character flinch or ground shaking. I just like to lay down on the trigger and fire as long as possible. The drum mag shotguns for bugs and pump shotguns for bots is how I go.
slugger is ass pummeler used to be so so good against automatons when it'd stun on the first bullet, meant u could stun rocket devs before they nuke ur shield. rip pummeler.
Sorry that's the way you perceived that message. I can't justify buying the Super Citizens just for the MP Knight atm and I'm working towards a milestone that will allow me to have extra funds to invest into the channel. Did my best to at least discuss the changes and ask for player feedback that have the weapon.
Please tell me you are trolling with this video, the guns you praise are garbage while dissing some if the best guns in the game. How is the Punisher just a gun when the Cookout is top praise? You are smoking good stuff man. Liberator Penetrator is the worst game gun in the game.
Not at trolling I stand by where I place everything. Tier lists are all about interpretation so I welcome other perspectives people are going to bring to the table. "They work" doesn't diminish the quality of the weapon just that I think that their are weapons that do the same if not better. Cookout has damage over time, punisher does not. Punsiher does more sheet damage, but I'd rather run and gun. Lib Pen is a medium pen weapon and is the only weapon that's rocking 10 mags at the moment which makes it unique in my opinion. Sorry if you thought I was trolling, hope you have a great day sir or ma'am.
Criminally underrated video
@@Charlie-RC-1207 I appreciate that lol hopefully just needs time to cook
My brother it’s one day old
After a plethora of dumb moves by Sony and some Arrowhead devs, I uninstalled the game for the longest time. But I've finally gotten back into Helldivers 2 yesterday in time for building the DSS and I have to say I'm SO glad they reverted their needless nerfs and buffed some previously meh weapons
Your video helped a ton to get back in the know on what's now been given some love, thank you heaps!
Happy to help! See you on the bot and bug fronts! o7
I love that you don't rate things on the S-F scale. Some guns do different things❤
exacly, i love those custom names. they provide a fresh air for this well-worn way of comparing items.
Thank you mate for your creativity ❤
I think something not a lot of people realize about the Scythe is that because it sets enemies on fire quickly, has no shot deviation, and is hitscan, you can use it like an incendiary marksman rifle, picking off whole swarms of bugs from incredibly far away.
@@namedname7478 more testing to come from this comment o7
I'd like to argue for the sickle to be brought up a tier. With the change to the recoil its basically a full auto sniper against the bots with it only taking 2 or 3 headshots to kill devastators and that is so easy with the recoil removed. Bugs its fair placement but for the bots alone I'd say it's utility since it's range is perfect to wipe hoards before they even agro onto you
@@headlesshiidra I’d love to see a medium pen variant of the sickle and I could personally justify it being chefs kiss. As for utility I look for medium as you don’t have to switch your weapon when dealing with light to medium armored enemies.
@@dadpoolgames1748 good counter arguement, fair enough. A medium pen sickle would be insane and I'd never use anything else lol
I was running the cookout as my main while occasionally trying other guns to see if I liked anything else. I tried a ton of guns but then I got to the crossbow. It is so fun to use and being able to close bug holes makes it so useful
It’s super quick when swapping weapons too when things get squirrelly in those nests. Love me some crossbow!
I think the SIckle could be bumped up one more tier: It's not broken, but they tweaked the recoil mechanic just a bit (as in they just got rid of it, lol), and it's still the sustained fire king of Primary Weapons.
I had a comment similar to yours in my primary tier list last video, I'd love to see a medium pen laser weapon like the sickle. I'd make that a utility King/Queen if it resembled how good the sickle feels!
Another great video that genuinely points out the strengths and niches of the weapons I love your videos man
@@jusiiin8858 thanks man I appreciate the kind words. I’ve got another in the works but the incoming hurricane Milton might push its release back o7
This helped a lot. Now I know for sure that I'm getting the Snow Days warbond so I can Pummel some Tussy.
My only problem with Torcher is that I can’t justify bringing a primary that doesn’t stagger Stalkers on bug missions. Cookout and Blitzer are my bug mission choices.
@@combatrobot1443 having the ability to stagger can mean life and death at times for sure. Only if we had a blunt melee weapon that can stagger o7
That's what the senator is for.
The Crossbow is hand down the best primary. I used to run Shield pack but because the add control with this weapon is phenomenal I feel comfortable running anything even no Backpack. Though Supply Pack shines with the CB. 10/10
My new Favorite loadout is now
CB/Any Secondary/Thermite with Assisted Servor Light Amor
Spear/HMG Emplacement/500KG/OB Gas
So much fun
I don't think the sickle lost any mag/heat sink capacity, rather that they rescaled that stat for ALL laser weapons, and so the new value of 7 is equivalent to what it was before.
2:09 for the longest time, I used it like a marksman rifle. The dilcs was definitely higher damage, but didn’t have as much pen, and lost a lot from that.
Liberator and Breaker SP has something good that isn't quite shown on stat. They are both very good at getting rid of chaff that is in melee range or near friendly. It is a result of low recoil, mag size, reload speed, and not killing your teammate in couple shots and not preemptively trigger mines.
If we rate everything by fire power, certain primary just makes no sense like Liberator vs Tenderizer or Breaker SP vs Breaker Inc. But as a support role weapon, they are very good.
@@mouseii88 the new horizontal spread of the sp is growing on me, I like that change a lot
Also worth mentioning, the Dominator isn’t *technically* explosive. It has no AoE, nor does it have the explosive trait that makes it deal 90% of base damage to durable enemy body parts(this trait is a considerable boon for the guns that have it, as most guns deal less than 90% to durable parts). It does have the punch of a gun that oughta be explosive though. 275 isn’t anything to sneer at, but I can’t help but feel that it needs a buff in damage to separate it more from the DCS at 200 and medium pen.
15:00 that bug left ORBIT 💀💀💀
i honestly can't ever justify taking anything other than cookout for bugs. Instant stagger, burning, decent damage + not terrible ammo economy? The only other weapon I swap it out with is the Diligence Counter Sniper for bots, but even then it depends on what I'm running. A good list tho! like some others have said different guns do different things so not having a S-F tier list is a good way to do it! As a side note: Have you tried the "Guard Dog" Dog Breath backpack with Flamethrower? It's amazing combo if you haven't yet.
My Personal Equip List for Bugs [ATM]
Medium/Heavy Armor [Inflammable Perk]
Cookout/Grenade Pistol/Stun Grenade
"Guard Dog" Dog Breath/Flamethrower/ Anti-heavy (500kg or Precision Strike)/ Napalm Barrage
@@MonikerMonkey I feature the dog breath flamethrower briefly in my Warbond video, very fun loadout for sure o7
I'm a firm believer that the liberator concussive is for those borderlands players that enjoyed using torgue weapons lol
That’s hilarious, yeah she don’t do much but it’s honest work just trying to get objectives done o7
IF I LOVE TORGUE THEN I LOVE CROSSBOWS! THEY GO BOOM AND HAVE CABLES FOR SICK IMPROVISED GUITAR SOLOS! Medleedledlew!
[ALSO I RESPECT CLASSIC PROJECTILE DELIVERY SYSTEMS AND THE RELIABILITY. DONT CALL ME NERD LIKE IT IS A BAD THING! NERDS MAKE THINGS BOOM!]
@@dadpoolgames1748 I mainly use it to keep patrols corralled together for my turrets and 500 to clear out
@@albertlarson9141 a bug herder if you will 😎
I love the Cookout Shotty, I think the fire damage does need a slight buff and some more damage overall. Just a lil bit 😅
My god. I didn’t think I’d find a video where somebody wasn’t negative about a tierlist. And a critical thinker too! You’re a Democratic diamond in the autocratic rough my good sir.
@@chargeit7897 thanks man lol
I honestly can’t stand the bland tier list formula. I did it once and disliked my own video. There’s enough complexity to each weapon to where it’s worth discussing strengths and weaknesses o7
I am the guy that uses Liberator Pen and Stalwart.
Love the LibPen an always see people put it low....
Yeah 5 or 10 rouds more would be awesome but still great to let teammates deal with bigger bugs.
For the Automatons still great tho need to change the fire mode to not waste ammo
The knight SMG probably now has the highest DPS of primary weapons, but a recoil and spread that hurt it in distance. Full auto imho is too fast for general use with the knight, so I tend to either manually fire it in bursts or simply switch to burst fire. Both of these greatly help keep accuracy relatively high and the magazine efficient. I simply cannot go back to the defender SMGs, they’re far too slow.
@@Aegxs you have me intrigued, the fire rate for that weapon has always been insane to look at. I’d wanna test it on a charger rear to see how fast it goes down o7
I’d love to see what you think of the secondaries or even the support weapons
Been meaning to make those in my format o7
The purifier needs a little work but I love it so much as a concept that I CANNOT put it down against the bots. If you land your shots it stunlocks every devastator/strider & deals reasonable aoe damage. It can also kill a gunship with 3/4 a clip which took practice but was reliable. I wanna see it buffed too, it needs it, but give it a chance 😢
I’d love to share your enjoyment of the purifier at some point lol
Honestly, the proposed internal buff to it to fire like the scorcher as well as charge up like the purifier kicks the purifier in the face. It’s charge is just too long, cut it down by 25-33% and it’d perform as it should (maybe more damage so it can one tap striders like it was advertised in Polar Patriots’ announcement)
@@dadpoolgames1748 If they ever speed it up give it another chance for sure
I like the DCS on the "standard" bullets and for energy weapon plasma punisher (plus the cc)
I treat the Adjudicator like a primary version of the MMG stratagem minus the fire rate settings so i like it over the Liberator-AP slightly.
while i typically prefer other high stagger weapons. if i anticipate needing to keep multiple enemies off friendly turrets from a distance i do quite like the Liberator-Concussive if my stratagem weapon synergizes with it.
The fire rate on the liberator carbine does make it work really well with the 3-burst fire setting. With a magazine of 45+1 this also lets you count to 15(15*3=45) so you can do a shorter tactical reload instead of a full reload.
for missions that have nests/fabricators i usually take the eruptor+bushwhacker with me. Then Lascannon/AMR for automatons and Flamethrower for terminids.
for eradicate missions and defense missions then i go with the dominator since all the targets are moving towards me anyways.
My advice with the Eruptor and Dominator is reloading when you have 1 bullet left so you don't have to re-cock the weapon. I've seen some people do some fire-rate canceling with the Eruptor but i haven't been able to reproduce that personally and don't feel the need to squeeze out even more fire rate.
@@johannhawk8471 solid points and loadouts.
I like doing the fire rate cancel with the Eruptor though it’s probably not as helpful as it was prior to the shrapnel being re added to the weapon o7
You know you're old when you get every reference used not because of memes but because you actually watched each film 😂😂😂 excellent video nice to see the numbers too not just opinion ❤
Thanks for the kind words! Hopefully I inspired the younger generations to check out Rambo lol and yeah I'm glad I saved those numbers from the last video lol
I'm glad to see that your tier list is WAY better than the last guy I watched.
@@KickBack-z6f thanks lol. Tier lists can definitely be a bit skewed at times for personal preferences. I do welcome any differing opinions as everyone has their own perspective o7
@dadpoolgames1748 In the one I watched, he was catering heavily towards incendiary weapons, but put the Torcher in his "viable" tear (F tier).
90% of the guns got put there, and his only "testing" for them was how fast it could kill an alpha commander. Can you guess which gun he glazed the most? Unsurprisingly, the incendiary breaker.
adjudicator is good, but the ammo and recoil isn't the best
while i used to main the weapon, now i prefer to use other weapons that does not only more damage, but also has better recoil
also liberator concussive needs a damage buff from 65 to 75 or 80 because it is taking half a mag to kill a brood commander while it is also getting pushed further and further away from you
Maybe my suggestion is over kill but I want all AR damage to be moved up to 90-100 and smg damage up to 75 across the board. When you look at weapons on lib concussive compared to the pumper with their current damage you really don’t have any reason to choose the LC when the pummler is 1 handed. I realize the LC has a larger mag size but not enough to justify its low damage.
Edit meant pummler not pumper
I could see a damage increase come to those AR’s.
I use the Concussive more so as a utility to get objectives done, but you’re right that it takes a bit to take down your bigger foes.
The adjudicator works best as a single shot scoped rifle. I like using it with the anti material rifle.
Idk, Lib Con has a lot of utility. Dropped a napalm and all the bugs are trying to crawl out of it? Fuck no, they're not. Want to push back a bunch of bots, or stagger Devs before you switch to your AC/HMG to chew them apart? Can potentially do this to 60 of them before reloading. Also, clears chaff. It's not supposed to kill mediums fast, imo, that's not what it's for. It's for bullying crowds into your minefields, or napalm, or barrages, or...you get the idea.
@@joshuakelley438 but the pummler essentially has the same utility while being 1 handed which is why I can’t justify using lib con personally
First off when I say this I’m not defending the purifier I am aware it has way to many draw backs. However the best success I had with it is if you use it like a marksman version of the scorcher. Keeping a distance with this weapon is what makes it work. Also it has a noticeable projectile drop off. Because of its slow fire rate it’s good to bring weapons that can handle multiple enemies and for the in your face enemies. Also I am referring to bots don’t bother against bugs.
Recommended buff:
Damage: 250->300 or 325
Add a multi zoom scope
A slight increase to fire rate/ decrease charge up time.
@@AlexanderPadilla-pp3su well said. It can definitely one shot the striders like it was first showcased to us with the polar patriots warbond.
My main concern with it is the fire rate and hit registration. Hopefully the devs can make this weapon more favorable for us in the future.
I am clearlay defending the Purifier :D I use it a lot against the bots; i made a loadout to play with randoms that allows you to do well even if your teammates are awful with the supply beacons (taking multiple packs, calling them on the otherside of the map, those kind of stuff that can put you in big trouble...)
- Purifier
- Dagger
- Thermite
- Quasar canon
- Eagle strafing run
- Gas strike
- Gatling barrage
With the dagger and quasar -> infinite ammo if well managed. Due to the charge up of the Purifier, you waste less bullets and you will automatically use the Dagger a lot agains small bots or Berserkers. The Quasar and Thermite is used against Hulks, Factory Striders, Tanks, and the Strafing Run helps for everything; The gas strike and Gatling Barrage help you controle the battelfield, and gives you the chance to back up and use the Purifier to take down the ennemies at medium to long range.
The Purifier is also decent against Gunships. And if a tower is not facing you: 1 shot of Quasar and 1 shot of Purifier destroys it. That loadout is totally viable on difficulty 10, has excellent ammo economy and allows you to pick up backpacks when you teammates call new one for them. I'm very often picking up empty rocket backpacks or supply backpacks which I refill, adding extra support for my teammates. Agains the heavy devastators, the Purifier is excellent because of the stagger, the splash damage, and the range.
I would absolutely not use the Purifier against the bugs or when playing solo, but against the bots, it's definitely way better than people say it is. I sometimes finish level 10 missions with the highest number of kills, so you don't even need to be carried by your team like a lot of people say. I would say that the main issue is that in some games, the Striders spawn are insane, and the Purifier is definitely a bad weapon to deal with those fuckers due to their speed and the time it takes to kill one.
A buff would of course be great, and if they add a rapid fire option, it will definitely be my favourite weapon against the bots, because it would become the most versatile weapon in the game. In it's current state, agains the bots, I would still put it above all assault rifle and smgs, above all light penetration weapons, above all fire weapon, and above most shotguns (except the plasma punisher of course, and maybe the slugger? I haven't use it in a long time, I don't know...). In a Most underrated weapons tierlist, the Purifier would definitely be all alone on top :)
To me, it just feels like a worse Punisher Plasma. Which, admittedly makes it sound better than it is because the PP is great.
You did my Punisher dirty. That thing is a CC machine. Same knockback as the Slugger with WAY better handling and more damage (but less pen). Bugs can't even touch you.
Also, both Punisher and Slugger can interrupt nurse / bile spewer spit attacks! Use this tactic wisely.
@@thebaumdotcom not diminishing the punisher by any means I just think the cookout is better as it’s providing the same knock back mechanic and damage over time.
Slugger gives you the opportunity to penetrate medium armor which makes it a an even better utility than just knockback. If the cookout didn’t exist the punisher for me at least would be a utility king. o7
I feel that to fix some not being useful they should add a booster or ship upgrade that gives all primaries medium armour penetrating at the cost of 2 or 1 magazines
@@HellYeah-r1n that’s thinking outside the box, I think more than likely we‘ll get a weapon bench to do this in the future
Great video, subscribed. One suggestion, I didn't even realize that you were putting the rating up after each weapon because of the placement of the rating graphic at the bottom of the screen. I think placement between the pre and post update graphics would have been a better view.
Thank you! I could change the graphic placement for sure! An issue I had with my last video was that I input my own subtitles which conflicted with that graphic. Moving it would've remedied that easily lol
The jar dominator can also destroy trees from across the map. 2 mags per tree. So you can get rid of shrieker tree's without engaging them
Gas Grenade/Dog Breath plus Torcher fucking melts. Or plus Flamethrower. Or both.
@@joshuakelley438 I do enjoy some gas cc flame builds o7
Knight feels great as a chaff clearer. Its like a 1 handed Stalwart on crack.
@@mathiasrryba I love your definition of the new knight lol
Just started having a go of the adjucator against the bots. Not too shabby.
That's where I like to use it lol You could compensate the recoil with something like Engineering Kit armor passive but I think it just takes some getting used to.
Considering the breaker incendiary just chews everything up, that fact alone i think is a utility in and off itself hahaha.
One guy with the fire cracker and shriekers are pretty much a non threat.
@@sergeantblue6115 if I had my 2 mags back she’d probably go to chef’s kiss tbh lol
@@dadpoolgames1748 very much agreed, 2 mags did a lot of damage on the poor girl
Great video man
@@frozenviper8758 hey, thanks for checking it out o7
There’s always gonna be “that one weapon” in games like this that you just pop in the bottom tier, and it looks like The Purifier is gonna be this one 😂
I hope they pull a 180 like they did with the crossbow, but so far it doesn't look good for the purifier
All these ranking vids from all these helldivers, and all are different. The one thing they all have in common is that the cookout is an S tier weapon
@@Jegern it’s pretty spicy
Dont forget to add the torcher into the tierlist part at the end, it doesn't show up :P
Thanks yeah I must’ve forgot it, I made several renditions of the last graphic as I was on the fence for some weapons. Torcher was a new graphic that got lost in the sauce o7
ive only ever spent 30 on hd2 and will never spend even a single penny more
Super credits are plentiful, it just takes a little time and you'll have it all besides the MP knight
@@dadpoolgames1748 i love the fact they allow you to earn them at the cost of time :) Many games wouldn't do this
Do you think some of these guns would rank differently on the bot front?
@@Terranallias18 primarily just flame weapons, I don’t use flame weapons on the bot front
Adjudicator is definitely better against bots
Shooting bugs...
or toasters
Appreciate the list but as a new player idk how to get any of these 😅
@@iGnashtysif you’re not trying to spend any money, you can always farm the low difficulties for super credits.
I do have an older video that showcases this however you can no longer reset one planet area, you’ll have to complete or hop planet missions after looting the areas of interest on your mission map.
You can do this solo but with a friend you can go clockwise and have your friend go counterclockwise to loot faster
@@dadpoolgames1748 appreciate this but I ment like you mentioned the weapon but I’m not sure which warbond to aim towards
@@iGnashtys oh I gotcha I’d say democratic detonation is in a pretty good place to start. Its got the adjudicator ar, the Eruptor crossbow and thermite grenade which are all very good
@@dadpoolgames1748 thanks see you out there
Purifier is getting a rework :)
that's exciting tbh lol
I even after the big buffs I still can’t enjoy the assault rifles I just can’t see the benefit of using them over ether one of the shotguns or the SMGs. And my favorite gun is the sickle.
What don’t you like about the assault weapons? Is it solely based on damage?
I’ll give an example for the lib concussive. So for context I have everything unlocked excluding all the superstore items.
When the new chemical warbond dropped I just wanted to get medals and unlock the new items.
Lib concussive let me be aggressive with tackling objectives and getting out as fast as possible.
Was never a glorious stat end screen but the lib concussive gave the utility I needed to get in and out.
@@dadpoolgames1748 I don’t like that I spend more time reloading them then shooting them really. And I find accuracy is non existent when damage is making my character flinch or ground shaking.
I just like to lay down on the trigger and fire as long as possible. The drum mag shotguns for bugs and pump shotguns for bots is how I go.
I dunno what difficulty you play, but on helldive and up lib pen and concussive do not hold up
@@boltondowney1949 exclusively on superhelldive
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@@dadpoolgames1748lol I bet this guy sits on breaches just to stroke that ego number at the stat screen.
why would i use an assualt rifle when there are more fun guns to play with atm
@@icata12345 to each their own my good sir or ma’am
Yes
Just yes
I saw 998 subs, doing my part 999!
@@Mvllon lol thanks man that means a lot
All AR’s need drum mags. I wanna feel like I got the infinite ammo starship troopers have.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED A STALWART, HELLDIVER.
slugger is ass
pummeler used to be so so good against automatons when it'd stun on the first bullet, meant u could stun rocket devs before they nuke ur shield. rip pummeler.
@@Zacjd at least the pocket rocket toasters gotta reload now
Why do you need to hit a certain amount of subs just to review a weapon? Sounds kinda fishy tbh
Sorry that's the way you perceived that message. I can't justify buying the Super Citizens just for the MP Knight atm and I'm working towards a milestone that will allow me to have extra funds to invest into the channel. Did my best to at least discuss the changes and ask for player feedback that have the weapon.
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@@ImPrinceVicious response
Penetrator is no good.
What don’t you like about it?
Reload every 4 sec, dont 1 tap small enemies, whole mag to kill medium enemies.
@@hyperduplafly2941 that's fair, it could use a damage boost still.
I agree. Needs a bit more damage. Realistically it should do more damage than the standard lib due to having penetration rounds
Needs a bigger magazine and would be amazing
Please tell me you are trolling with this video, the guns you praise are garbage while dissing some if the best guns in the game. How is the Punisher just a gun when the Cookout is top praise? You are smoking good stuff man. Liberator Penetrator is the worst game gun in the game.
Not at trolling I stand by where I place everything. Tier lists are all about interpretation so I welcome other perspectives people are going to bring to the table. "They work" doesn't diminish the quality of the weapon just that I think that their are weapons that do the same if not better. Cookout has damage over time, punisher does not. Punsiher does more sheet damage, but I'd rather run and gun. Lib Pen is a medium pen weapon and is the only weapon that's rocking 10 mags at the moment which makes it unique in my opinion. Sorry if you thought I was trolling, hope you have a great day sir or ma'am.