The Reason Why US Air Force Secretly Hides Powerful Soviet Aircraft on US Soil
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2023
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In 1976, Lieutenant Viktor Belenko of the Soviet Union had defected and landed a MiG 25 in Japan. The U.S. had taken it apart, analyzed every piece and sent it back in pieces, minus a few. I guess, that was payback, when the Russians had kept three B-29's.
And the usa determined it was junk and sent it back.
There is another interesting story on how the Russians had acquired the metal technology for their MiG-15 When Russia had been invited to tour a British facility that had been producing jet engines, they wore special shoes with soles that would inbed the shaving of the metal that the British had used to manufacture it's jet engines. They had analysised these shaving to find out the metal used and built their own engines using this metal. The MiG-15 vs. America F-86 Sabre combat videos are fascinating to watch. They remind me of America's first encounter with the more agile Japanese Zeros in WW2 before the development of Hellcats and Corsair fighters
@@gonefishing11 The sticky shoe sole trick pre-dates that use by the Soviets by perhaps 200 years - same as dumpster-diving, it's so obvious it can practically be considered open source intelligence.
There's a continuation to your story. Trade unions were strong in the UK, and even as Russian and UK soldiers & factory staff (unlike politicians) were unreserved war allies with strong bonds of genuine friendship, the UK trade union folks were even more so, and pro-socialism. During one of the boozy dinners hosted by the union guys, an idea popped in someone's head for a game of pool between the heads of the Russian delegation and one of the heads of RR, a really keen player. To "make it interesting", if the Brit lost, the Soviets got the right to buy a couple of the excellent Rolls Royce radial jet engines. It was just a harmless gesture:
1. the Russians, being backwards, had no plane anyway (nobody had an air-frame or avionics to keep up with this engine - not even US, not even close)
2. the Russians had no technology or materials to replicate the engine - by the time they could do it, it'd be obsolete anyway
3. converting a practical machine from imperial to metric is much more of a challenge than most people realize. You can't have holes, gaps, sheet thicknesses, etc of an arbitrary value or your costs will be a multiple of what they should be, and manufacturing will be much slower and yields lower. Instead the machines are designed from scratch to conform to a particular system to be fabricated efficiently. I.e. you can't just convert the figures on a drawing with a calculator to 5th decimal point & call it a day.
4. lastly, who in commie working class USSR would conceivably have the leisure & access to develop mastery of the gentlemanly game of pool?
You've already guessed from the writing above what'd happened next. The Soviets overcame all the obstacles. But picture where the jaws were of the KGB bosses who were hoping for some metal shavings - and got two crates of brand new engines with full kit & official paperwork!
@@gonefishing11 Quite correct.
In 1982, Firefox Movie did the same thing; Clint Eastwood flew back a Russian fighter jet.
I don't think they "capture" enemy aircraft. I think they mostly bought them from former Soviet Countries.
And the odd one or two were acquired via defecting pilots.... A Mig 25 was flown to Japan by a defecting pilot in the 70's, and the US closely examined, reverse engineered, and test flew it.....
In the early 70's, I lived on one of the approaches to Tinker Air Force base. I was used to the usual engine sounds, but one day one caught my attention. I looked-up to see a MiG in Soviet livery making a landing approach. It was overcast that day, so I couldn't make a definite ID, but the red stars caught my attention.
Remember back in 1987 when an SR-71 with a blown engine over the Baltic received a very welcome escort from a pair of Swedish SAAB Viggens?
Much of the SR-71 performance is secret.
Because the Air Force does not want the US public to know that much of its performance has been over-hyped and exaggerated.
To its credit - the last US Air Force plane meeting budget, and on schedule.
From conception to operational in 2-years! No computers - all done by slide rule!
Compare to the boondoggle F35. 17-years now(!). Zillions over budget. And still does not work as claimed.
8,000+ lines of computer code (!) - some are saying it will never be debugged.
But it will be great for shooting down balloons eh!
Yeah but Europeans are used to Americans not behaving .
I think Europeans are smart where they downplay military and have USA handle the dirty work and when done , profit from it while having the population say USA does it :)
@@CandiedPageThat’s called a vassal state
Obviously, by the comments, many already knew about this. I've known about it since I was a child and I am 53 now. Soviet/Russian aircraft have also been used in Aggressor Squadron for training of US pilots decades ago. Not a very big secret.... ALSO - this is something that many countries do or have done in the past.
Exactly. I remember aircraft captures and defector deliveries making the news. It wasn't a secret. And being an Army brat (and living near Air Force bases as a result) I've seen them in flight.
You are exactly right!
Russia should not support the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty (DSNV),, since America and Europe have already proved that they are lying, and not when they do not fulfill the treaty!! And this contract is not being fulfilled and will not be fulfilled! The United States needs this treaty to be fulfilled by Russia and they will tie Russia's hands with this treaty! Russia should not fulfill this agreement!!!"
@@Ksins1 a thought process is usually required!!
I highly doubt that
A good piece of equipment is always loved by pilots.
For example the Mig 29 (ex GDR) was loved by lots of NATO pilots to fly due to its pure hands on handling.
They often said lets paint them bright red and use them as flying sportcars.
It's a beautiful machine indeed.
It was loved by them until they flew it. It is great under 200 knots but has a horrid turn radius above 200 knots where the F-16 is basically better in almost all common metrics.
@@bransonwalter5588 lick it
@@bransonwalter5588 😂😂😂😂😂 Suuuuure buddy
No. The Russians gave them for free. That's all they were trained to fly. Every us fighter and bomber has unique flying skills that are to be met.
Would it be to train your pilots in realistic scenarios? Back in the Vietnam War, the US Navy and Air Force were having a really hard time combating the latest Mig variant. They managed to capture one and found out what its capabilities came up with effective tactics.
The found out it had a beacon on it that id's them as friendly and used them against them
@@peterbaker8443what’s even crazier is once they analyzed it, they were severely lacking. America made powerful planes thinking it would rival the Soviets, only to find out the theirs were YEARS ahead because it was meant to counteract POTENTIAL planes the Soviets didn’t even possess😂
Russia should not support the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty (DSNV),, since America and Europe have already proved that they are lying, and not when they do not fulfill the treaty!! And this contract is not being fulfilled and will not be fulfilled! The United States needs this treaty to be fulfilled by Russia and they will tie Russia's hands with this treaty! Russia should not fulfill this agreement!_
@@Ksins1 go shill for the USSR somewhere else tankie.
@@Ksins1 If you understood anything, you would know why the treaty is effectively worthless anyway. The treaty is to limit the US and Russia to deploying a maximum of 2,200 nuclear weapons at a time on any vehicles, per country. It does not take 4,400 total nukes to finish off planet Earth. 40 or 50 would do the job of exterminating Earth just fine.
So calm down Ivan. Have another shot of vodka and tell yourself Russia is the greatest there ever was. Lying to yourself might make you feel at ease.
The propaganda that Russia says about its military equipment rarely stands up to scrutiny. When you capture aircraft you quickly realise the difference between what is said it can do and what it can actually achieve.
Same goes with western equipment...when 1991 Germany herited 20 Mig-29 US eagerly tested F-16 against Migs....result: F-16 pilots left briefing room slamming doors they couldnt understand that their hot-rod was inferior in almost every aspect
@@anders110Lockheed Martin and the US Air Force does not exaggerate - Yeah right!
Stealth is a scam to keep the money rolling in!
Its already well know that F35 pilots will be committing suicide against Russia stuff.
Zimbabwe bought these SUKHOI jets as well. These were not captures they were bought from the federation of russia.
You obviously have no idea on military aircraft! The US have revamped the new F15 EX from the 70's, now Boeing. The 'dud' F35 has been flogged to 🤪allies, but not the F22, to which may have a chance against SU 30,34,35 and 57. Not to mention the latest MIG fighters! Go Imbecilic Joe, and god save us, as we will need him!
@@anders110 I call that BS
I was stationed in Alaska for 4 years and Iceland for 2. Cold weather does some strange things to everything! I retired after serving 24 years in the Air Force. Retired 20 years ago. Was stationed in places where my boots would literally melt on top of the aircraft and hit 71 below zero in Alaska! That was with no wind chill so that was the actual temp! Around 1997 or so we broke a record where we went 21 straight days where it never got WARMER than 40 below. Crazy.
I was at Elmendorf in 94 95
@@keithboyd1847 Keflavik 85-87 and Eielson 96-2000
That's just beyond cold. I'm a Florida boy so even my trips to measly Tennessee and Kansas I find it hard to believe people routinely deal with freezing temperatures. Let alone negative, sub zero temps. Just nuts. Machinery and lubricants break down at that point. Most household items like plastic and metal can't be used in that temperature. Even electronics can struggle unless you routinely keep them on.
@@jonny-b4954 And to top that off we were stationed in the desert of new Mexico and drove 2 vehicles in FEBRUARY up there. It took like 7+ days traversing the ALCAN highway (Alaska/Canadian Hwy) I drove a truck and my wife drove our conversion van. We were somewhere up in the Yukon and we were going across a mountain when we ran up on a broke down white Lincoln sitting in the middle of the road! It was snowing, iced up, a cliff on one side and a mountain side on the other. We were moving about 15 mph. I got around the car that was sitting in the middle of the road! She didn't. She tried to stop but having nowhere to go she slid right into it! Whoever had been driving that car was nowhere to be found! Anyway it bent the front rt fender into the tire so we weren't going anywhere! No cell phones at that time. And definitely no phone boxes anywhere! Or anything else for that matter! I had to figure out a way to pull that fender away from the tire so we could drive. It was 27 degrees below zero!!! We had to keep both vehicles running so i would get under the Van for about 5 minutes then have to jump back in a warm one. Then back at it. it took me about an hour to get the fender far enough away to be able to drive! had to use my truck and a tow strap to pull the fender away. That really sucked! before we got to Fairbanks we stopped at a hotel somewhere up there and the next day i go out to clean up the Van some and damnit if I didn't have a flat tire on the rt rear! And the Van was sitting in about 2 feet of snow! It was an adventure to say the least! One more experience... My wife and I were celebrating an Anniversary so we went to a place called Chena Hot Springs. Only a few miles from Fairbanks area. It was March 97 I believe. Place was well known for their hot springs so we were in the actual spring which was pretty hot and the wife decided to get up on the side. Now she has long blond hair. Well she was only out for a couple minutes and she reached up to move some hair out of her face. Snapped off about 4 inches!!!! It had froze that fast! Yeah, 4 years up there. It was an ADVENTURE!!!!!!!!
@@Mr51Caveman I put in Orders for Iceland but Korea instead
During (and after) WW2 British test pilot Eric Brown flew and analysed more aircraft than anyone else alive. He basically sussed out how they worked and fed the data back to British aircraft designers.
Eric "Winkle" Brown flew around 450 different aircraft types, and flew more captured German aircraft types than did anyone else. He was also the fist pilot to land on a carrier with a twin engined aircraft. And one of the first - if not *the* first, to land a jet aircraft on a carrier. Totally fluent in German, having lived and studied there prior to WW2, he had a number of German friends. He was once asked if he would have difficulty killing Germans. He replied " not if they're in the air and shooting at me! " During his time in Europe immediately after WW2, Eric Brown used a captured German transport aircraft to fly to the various locations he was required. He befriended two German Luftwaffe ground crew guys, who flew with him and provided much of the technical know-how regarding captured German aircraft. He remained good friends with them both until they passed away. Eric Brown ought to have been knighted decades before he passed away, given his service to Queen and country. Sadly he never was.
his life story was pretty incredible
To obtain the latest airplane from the enemy, you pay a reward to the pilot for landing it safely on your airstrip. The reward is large enough to make them live handsomely for the rest of their life and children's life.
Lol, they typically just do it for US citizenship, whatever else is a bonus.
Treason.. punishable by death.. I wouldn't
Actually EPU Children is 100% Right as the USA has been offering Enemy Pilots the option to receive rewards for landing their planes on our side of the line of demarcation for decades going back to at least the Cold War.
@@stevenevert9162 yeah that's pretty common every country does that
Works both ways.
USA Reverse Engineer : To tackle Enemy
China Reverse Engineer : This is cheating.
One bat has been deposited in your soup Pajeet
@@MillerVanDotTV झंडू मैं भारतीय हूं।😂
China's "reverse engineering" is a joke. Like their current attempt at a 6th gen fighter. It's junk in a fancy looking exterior.
The Chinese gvt buys 1 firetruck and then reverse engineers it to make hundreds. They do that with everything, violating copyrights. They really do cheat.
So, which US fighter aircraft are based on reverse engineered Soviet designs?
I visited the threat museum at Nellis AFB in the late 90's. Got to climb on and sit in the aircraft. You come out of there with a different prospective about your enemy. Visual blind spots in the aircraft, getting your body jammed in a hard right turn against a protruding object in the airplane. What controls they cannot get to or will have difficuly operating during high g maneuvering. They also have a lot of small arms from all countries you can handle, missiles, ground vehicles. This place is worth your time to visit.
I also got a chance to "shoot" at some of our airplanes making bombing runs in the mid 80's with a training version of a SA7. Then the look on thier faces when debriefing. Egos were deflated. All recorded.
The aircraft are not hidden. They are used for evaluation and in training exercises. You can even see them when you visit airbases. They are not rare aircraft, but production series aircraft (versus test or pre-production). But I guess you could say that they are rare in the US, because there's only a handful, not many as you state.
Hide? Doesn't seem like they hide them if they're in a "petting zoo." Also doesn't seem they're hiding them if you're posting vids of them.
The “Show of Force” thing never gets old :)
It boggles my mind…how brave and decisive and cool as a cucumber you need to be to operate these…Thank you all for being all that! 🇺🇸💕👏
Try doing that on a pitching deck of an aircraft carrier. Sounds hard enough. Now do that exact same landing at night.
@@ronaldpetrovich Not a chance in this life would I ever even try to do it! I am just a doc…I admire our military and very grateful for their service.
The Red Flag also helped pilots engage in combat missions. Once a pilot survives 10 combat missions, their future chances of surviving future engagements dramatically increases.
But due to peace time, this, without Red Flag, would be impossible for a lot of the airforces.
God Bless the USAF!
is this the usaf that steals all of it's tech, even from it's allies, because they are thick as shit.
Nice info. Thanks👍
If some of that's secret, why are you divulging it?
Love the B-52. As a kid, i had a plastic model kit of the earlier version. I painted it with this cool metalic light blue paint. I loved that model. I hung it from the ceiling over my bed. Memories ✌😄👍💞
@ 14:12
That is awesome, and beautiful.
I hope to see this someday, one day!
Imagine seeing the awesome B-52 flying overhead, with some F-16 Fighters escorting!
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONE'S ETC...
When I went there for Red flag in 1982, it was the Soviet Museum.
That's funny bro
There was no rare plane shown that we have, just older versions of Russian planes. The Mig 15 engine was based on the Rolls Royce turbine given to Russia. We fly the Hind Hip & Havoc at Ft Polk and at NTC, and the Mig 29 had a European avatar on it: that place is at Nellis is a museum.
Any Super-duper wonder-machine is such until it is unexpectedly destroyed. Destroyed sometimes even by simple cheap and primitive weapons. Therefore, any seemingly simple and cheap weapon will hit so hard that a complete knockout is inevitable, and also after that, when the opponent comes to his senses, he begins to wander and look for the fifth corner.
I admire MiGs design ideology. Especially the MiG-15, Russians taking a commercial airline british engine then reverse engineering it. That engine was so powerful for it's time too. Even the MiG 29 and Sukhoi's Flankers.
Wasn't it true that as a good gesture the rolls Royse engines were a gift from the UK to the soviets?
Interesting , Thank You .
Anyone who has been to Nellis AFB is familiar with the USAF Threat Training Facility
I just recently sold 2 Apaches to the Idi Amin, 4 Ospreys to Mr Gaddafi and the Aircraft Carrier US 76 and it’s crew to The Luxembourg Government for their fleet…
Nice video, but it never really covered why Soviet aircraft are on US soil, other than to study them. At one point I thought they were going to talk about how they got them.
mostly they bought it officially.
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@@Mr.Robert1 Fluc Yeah.
@@billjamison2877That’s Fluc_ing A Right.
This is NOT a secret... all of us military aviation enthusiasts know this
Su-27 is so beautiful and elegant
I've actually been to the Plane Petting Zoo! It was so cool!
It's not a secret if it's on youtube.
Wonder if we're going to develop spy balloon tech.
China did. LOL
We have been since the 80’s, the budget for ballon tech has been a couple million dollars per year. Previous years between $3m-5m with this years suddenly being $38m, which is suspicious.
Wasteful! Satelites do a much better job.
11:54 Slovakian Mig 29 in beautiful digi camo
Great footage here but tactical formations would likely be spread out over considerable distances. Tight formations are for photo ops. 😉!
Could you weld a 787 cockpit onto our B-52 "s ? It makes sense in so many ways.
Are you trolling? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Russia should not support the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty (DSNV),, since America and Europe have already proved that they are lying, and not when they do not fulfill the treaty!! And this contract is not being fulfilled and will not be fulfilled! The United States needs this treaty to be fulfilled by Russia and they will tie Russia's hands with this treaty! Russia should not fulfill this agreement!_)(
@@Ksins1 ignorance just doesn't work!
“The planes are acquired in several different ways“
Doesn’t elaborate.
Right On
The scripts seem to be written by someone who just loves the technology, which is shown by the consistent veering off track. But the love shines through and you end-up watching it completely even though you came here for something different!
Interesting.
This practice dates back even longer... more than a hundred Fokker D.VII were shipped to the US after the Great War and extensively scrutinized.
What about them deep underground tunnels .... Maglev .... Edwards AFB to McDill AFB and far beyond ?
team deathmatch irl is insane💀
That Su27 is one of the most beautiful airplanes ever...
It's all about maintaining the competitive edge.
I went TDY to Chitose AB where the MIG pilot landed. Also been to Nellis to see MIGs at that time it was highly classified they sure copied alot of our stuff
Thank You Uncle Sam!
… for all the Trouble around the World ……
Wasn’t the mig-25 made from steel and powered by rocket boosters? Yes it was fast as hell, but could barely steer and the engines only lasted a few flights if not just one.
From what I've read, it had high-nickel content steel and small amounts of Titanium. And while the engines could push it to Mach 3 +, they could destroy themselves doing it.
US doing a China, or is it China doing US! 🤔
Back before the American people became the focus of gov't spying ... when Red Flag was run at Nellis AFB, if you had a "base pass" you could watch from aircraft mounted cameras exactly what was going on, on any base TV! Very cool to do so as you waited for an appointment at a clinic or admin office, or were just enjoying lunch!
Why the f%$# would anyone want to spy on you, let alone the government? You're not special.
Luckily I not only grew up in but still live in Las Vegas and as an air force brat I got to get onto Nellis all the time as my dad was stationed there from 1981 until he retired in 1990 but as a kid of a retiree I was still able to get onto the base until I was 18 (1998). Was awesome to go out there for other things like airshow and what not. Nest thing I ever got to do when I was 9 was to sit in an A-10 due to my father being a crew chief of a squad at the time. Also helped that he was a Master Seargant and was also, of course, an NCO so he could do cool things like that for me as a kid. Again, awesome times.
@@CONSOLETRUTH2 Great things for you to have as memories!
@@Doc_Dolandid you see the f -16 by chance it is my favorite jet or all time :)
@@therealman2016 Understand, we were watching (on TV) the view from the weapons cameras ... we could not see what they were attached to. However, I have seen many F-16's over the years.
Thanks for yours protection of the liberty.👍
Probably not much of a secret anymore
These aircraft are part of the Agressor squadron. Where pilots get to go up against Soviet aircraft.
Aggressor squadrons use tactics of opposition forces, not the aircraft. They use American aircraft that can mimic the traits of opposition aircraft and tactics.
@@MillerVanDotTV You should research Project Constance Peg. It was a top secret flight training program in the Mojave desert that used MiG-21s and MiG-23s to train American pilots before they shipped out to Vietnam. The MiGs flew out of a purpose-built airfield in the Tonopah Test Range in Nevada. The same airfield was also used at night to train F-117 pilots.
I bet U.S. has apprehended T-90 tank and started analyzing.
Interesting!
Lets not forget the Mig 31 Firefox. :D
amazing how many crane workers are not wearing helmets
2:36 they should've put the axles on wood blocks. Easy and cheap
Yes this is old news, military aviation buffs know all about the "aggressor squadron" of Soviet fighters that used to fly at Area 51. But an interesting video regardless, you get a like! :)
Yep, HAVE IDEA and CONSTANT PEG :)
Russia should not support the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty (DSNV),, since America and Europe have already proved that they are lying, and not when they do not fulfill the treaty!! And this contract is not being fulfilled and will not be fulfilled! The United States needs this treaty to be fulfilled by Russia and they will tie Russia's hands with this treaty! Russia should not fulfill this agreement!_;
I doubt that
a profitable War factory sells to all adversaries, the country with the most enemies gets the most Benefit
Moses' sandals! They store mig-15s! I remember seeing those in a scrap condition in an abandoned airfield in the late 2000s in Moscow. My goodness they're old....
Are these MiG-29s part of the batch of 21 acquired by the USAF from Moldova (including munitions) for $40-M?
Loved going to the petting zoo.
I live in Las Vegas and I’ve never been to the petting zoo.
I’ve “lived in Vegas “ for two weeks at a time for exercises out at Nellis
@@sharizabel2582 I’m an Army Veteran, but I don’t have an ID to use Base Facilities.
Apparently, It's not secret anymore?
They announced that the B-52 is receiving new engines! Rolls-Royce is the NEW supplier! No more black smoke! More power will change all the performance stats. Next upgrade should be a BAE skin! That is light years ahead of everyone! Check out the BAE invisible tank.
I don't care how many barf bags I needed, I would love to fly in any of the current US jets.
In the 1990s the Soviet Union started to collapse economically. The country needed cash badly so, they openly sold MiG-29s, Su-27s, ZSU-23 radar guided anti-aircraft gun system, radars, A2A &, air to ground SAM missiles, super-sonic anti-ship missiles, etc. Aviation Week & Space Technology Magazine reported this and, that much of this equipment was delivered by air transport to an airbase in the western desert -Area 51 or Nellis AFB?
Their either for museum or for training purposes tbh.
The US does the same with S300s since alot of allies use them.
Also the US bought alot of Russian heli's to help with middle eastern partners
,, secretly hide,,but everbody see on youtube....😊😊
Been to the Nellis petting zoo. Super cool.
"planes in the Mig series were among the first jet fighters to use a swept Wing"
Me 262: 💀
Overall this box is nicely done. Too bad inside the box has nothing to do with how it looks outside.
If we're talking about it on youtube, the Air Force isn't SECRETLY hiding anything!!
Red flag is currently going on now pretty cool believe it or not
They made very simple technologies but with affective performance. Mig 21 and mig 29.. mig 25 fox baat is best example.
Yeah! Very simple,, i can make it too.. Us people never let the ego.. 🙄🙄🙄
Y’all do realize that most superpowers have enemy aircraft in stock right?? 😂 this is old news
Most B52s on videos are from Barksdale La.
Capture???...you mean stolen.
Tomato tomatoe
Incrible is Soviet Union had captured some american aircraft too, F4 Phantom, had Secrets of F-14 Tomcat from Iran, The F-18 Super Hornet that fall in the pacific some day
Secretly hides ...
That's the wrong way round.The saying is keep your enemies close and your friends closer still.
Got to keep something for the boys to laugh at.
why is there such a long pause between each sentence
The next time they're Scavenging for loot I think they should acquire an air compressor?!😂
Singapore ❤️
Yeah, right. We are just flying in the international airspace 3000 miles from US and 100 miles from bad, crazy nations...
"For the peace of the kingdom, for king and country" !... Just quoting VLDL..
Nice to know a few Russian birds actually get proper, US style maintenance.
Also called “the petting zoo”
THE SISTER CALLED ME THE F WORD I CALLED IT THE SAME
I wonder how the Soviet Union replicated US aircrafts in mock fights, did they somehow manage to get some American equipment or just use their own to replicate American tactics
Probably both. Some nations the US supported flipped to the Soviet zone of influence. I'm sure they got their hands on equipment we sold/gave those nations. Just as we did in similar circumstances.
That's no secret, using captured or "salvaged" opponent's hardware for testing/training is as old as war itself.
You have not said the reasons.
Now the t90 & t 72 too
Are you sure the MIG 15 was the first to use swept wings? I think the ME262 used them
There were a number of swept wing experimental British designs in the 1930's. The Granger Brothers built their Archaeopteryx design back in 1930, which flew successfully at Hucknall, near Nottingham, in October 1930. The only example built - G-ABXL - now resides at the Shuttleworth Collection, at Old Warden, in Bedfordshire. It was last flown in 1971, but has not flown since, due to aerodynamic issues relating to tailless designs.....The Westland-Hill Pterodactyl also flew in 1926...... The Shuttleworth Collection at Old Warden is an incredible place. It is one of only 3 places in the World, where you can see a genuine Me163 Komet, rocket powered interceptor fighter, complete with it's rocket motor..... They also have a fully airworthy, genuine 1917 Bristol Fighter, complete with it's Rolls Royce engine. It is the oldest Rolls Royce aero engine in the World, which still flies......and there is the oldest airworthy *British* aircraft in the World, which is still occasionally flown, a 1912 Blackburn Monoplane. These are genuine, not reproductions.....
It's not a secret when they give the extras to museums
China: "When the US copying someone's military stuff and no one bats an eye, but when I do the same like him, society... SOCIETY CALLS ME DUPLICATE"