A Vulcan who has no regrets about his humanity is gently reminded by an android seeking to be more human that his use of a particular turn of phrase shows he hasn't entirely given up his humanity. A wonderful little moment of Trek that wove together the views of two characters who both had complex relationships with their own respective humanity and never stopped reflecting on it.
+tejas You are describing the “Borge”, and they are extremely arrogant about it. Believing they will assimilate while not giving the other person a choice.
I've come to find that attempting to analyze everything, eventually makes it so that you act on nothing. If you spend your life doing this, you may as well be a computer that dies of age.
The "I have no regrets" line told me that Spock was every bit as Human as he was Vulcan. He was more sensitive and caring than he comes across which is what made him such a unique Character.
RagingDragon13 Which clarifies Kirk's eulogy of Spock in ST:TWOK when he said: "Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most...human."
Indeed. And the great Leonard Nimoy played the character perfectly over the decades. He owns that character forever. Nobody else can be Mr. Spock. The newer version tries his best and he is ok, but Leonard Nimoy IS Mr. Spock.
@@OnLifeandLove It's a shame he advised alternate timeline Spock to blindly support alternate timeline Kirk, because that version of Kirk is missing key character background parts that made him a good captain. Angsty brat with a lot of wasted potential who acts like a spoiled baby a lot of the time vs man who grew up seeing genocide first hand which shaped him to be a man with a strong moral compass who enjoys life because appreciates how fragile it can be. Not even a contest.
This is an amazing feat in writing. "Ambassador spock, do you miss your humanity?" "I have no regrets." "That is a human expression." *nods* ".....fascinating."
Agreed, this scene is one of the best moments in Star Trek history. I can only hope they introduce this kind of writing back, but I remain sceptic after seeing Discovery.
Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage … Well, there it is.
@@kamileon8536 does it really matter who wants to be what... After all, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and when you get there it's the same as always.
Leonard Nimoy was perfect for the role of Spock. Great voice, great look and excellent acting chops. Now he belongs to the ages. Thank you Leonard Nimoy for the inspiration to look deeper, think better and to question the answers.
Coretteket I can't quite agree with you there. Zachary Quinto is a vast departure from Leonard Nimoy, that is certainly true and I rather prefer it that way. If the casting team targeted actors that were more like Nimoy, no matter who they selected, I would still resent them for not being a thirty-something year old Nimoy. At least this way we can get a new interpretation of an iconic character. The only thing I hate about the new Star Trek reboot is that the story went back to the Academy and we didn't get to see Finnegan terrorizing Jim as a Plebe! Would have loved to see some of that!
+Coretteket From what Zachary has done so far, his Spock has shown less of the calm wise demeanor and more of a snooty pencil pusher who acts like he'd rather be somewhere else.
I love all the TV series and films up to the last TNG one but I just can't take to the new films. I really don't rate the guy who plays Kirk much at all.
I always wanted to see more interaction between Data and the Vulcans. I think it's funny that a human created a being that the Vulcans spend their whole lives striving to be like.
LMAO sad but true....like what the hell is that show? Star Trek Discovery of how we can fuck up Roddenberrys already progressive vision thats what it is.
This scene sums up both the Spock and Data characters most thoroughly and beautifully. In fact, I cannot imagine any other topic that would fascinate both of them more than this "human condition" thing. It was the only subject that needed to be addressed.
They should have done a 2 part episode series, or maybe even a full movie, on Mr. Spock and Data. This scene only hints at the story that could be told about these two; one denying his humanity and the other seeking to find it. Sadly, it can never happen now. This is all we have.
I don't think they needed to. Spock conveys everything he needs to with one "Fascinating." It's a clear back-reference to his conclusions in Star Trek VI, that "logic is only the beginning of wisdom." He's already told Data all he needs to - that he once sought to purge his humanity, but realized it was unnecessary and even misguided. Sometimes less is more.
This has to be one of the best introspective scenes in Star Trek. Very clever of the writer to catch this interplay between Spock and Data. So much to ponder from such a short scene. Very well observed.
Love the way TNG continued the link with TOS, by bringing in Deforrest Kelley, James Doohan and Leonard Nimoy. Three great actors who played legendary characters in the franchise, now at rest. Thanks for the legacy, Mr. Nimoy.
Omg, you just made me realize, ST:TNG killed those three! They're the only ones to guest star in the show, and the first (and only) ones to die! (I'm not counting the first TNG movie of course)
There's a very koan-like quality to this conversation. If you keep in mind that both of them are constantly self-reflecting and learning about themselves and the Universe, you might find that the apparent one-word "fascinating" brush offs are not brush offs at all, but an attempt to transmit an entire lifetime's experience. By using "I have no regrets", a human expression, to answer Data's question, he's essentially refuting the underlying premise - that he has abandoned his humanity. Rather than abandon, it would seem that he has _integrated_ his humanity into his stoic outlook. By responding with "fascinating", he is hinting to Data that this is a much deeper field of discovery, one that might end up enriching Data's life.
I don't think Spock ever says "fascinating" as a form of sarcasm. He means that something's surprising, and worthy of more analysis in order to understand it.
What a great scene. Shows how "humanity" means different things to different people. The two give great they're own impressions of Picard's duality. RIP Leonard
If you read between the lines, their conversation, is more than just pure logic. As Spock remarks in Star Trek VI, Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end of it. So... Spock and Data: wise to the end.
brav0wing I wonder if Spock is still on Romulus, at the end of " Nemesis ", & he's heard what happened re. : the battle between the Scimitar & Enterprise, & found out that Data gave his life to stop Picard's " twin " & the Scimitar's weapon.
Daniel Appleton Check out the comic "Star Trek Countdown." It takes place after "Nemesis" and leads into the events of the 2009 "Star Trek" movie. It's studio-approved, so considered cannon. www.amazon.co.jp/Star-Trek-Countdown-Tim-Jones/dp/1600104207
This was a really great (two-part) episode and the way they handled the interaction between Spock, Picard and Data was absolutely perfect. Spock makes note of Picard's personality, which is so very different from Kirk's. And of course we never really saw Data interact with Vulcans anywhere near as much as he should have. While his aspiration to be more human was natural, having been built by one, in many ways there was a lot of unexplored potential rapport with Vulcans that they never got into. Data perceives himself as "incomplete" because he lacks human emotions. Spock, and other Vulcans, would contradict that and say he was perfectly designed as-is (Lore would be the one they would judge as a mistake).
It would've been interesting if the deactivated Lore had been found by a Vulcan ship. I don't think they would've been fooled as easily as the crew of the Enterprise & later on by the Pakleds ( ? ). Or he might've been discovered by Romulans. The Vulcans would've studied him, the Romulans might've studied him then destroyed him. Data did embody all the qualities that Vulcans aspire to, yet he does feel " incomplete " lacking emotions & other human qualities. Q said he " Coveted " them, which would be a human trait itself.
+jakep1979 Data has always had emotions and desires. I always felt that he lacked some of the programing or hardware to complete what was already inside him. I always figured that Lore's faulty emotion programming forced Data's creator to remove the emotion chip that Data would of had and had to remove the bugs off it before giving it back to Data. There are just so many moments when you see Data show amazement, surprise, and even some sort of triumph in his actions. Much the way Spock hides his emotions, but they pop up often enough to show that he's still able to act on emotion when pushed enough.
+V Guyver A lot of that was attributable to his developing characterization though, at first he showed emotion because they hadn't firmly set in stone that he shouldn't and Spiner hadn't become comfortable with the character's emotionlessness yet. After that it could be attributed to Data pretending to have an emotional reaction in order to seem more human. Cannonically, he didn't have true emotions till he got the chip.
Spock was one of the most deep, multi-layered and multi-faceted characters of Star Trek and his masterful acting by Leonard Nimoy were the reasons he was such a popular character.
1:45 "In effect, you have abandoned what I have sought all my life" *awakard silence* "I believe I have isolated the 29th sector access code". Not even Spock had a witty logical comeback from that burn!
It wasn't a burn. And, nothing more need be said. Spock's response is to simply exist as he is. His choices in life are a rebuttal to Data's lifelong quest.
No, it isn't a burn, nor is it a rebuttal. It is Spock's statement that Data is missing the point - not to become one thing rather than another, but instead how to reconcile the two halves, without losing the lessons from either. It's in the title of the episode ("unification"), and also in Spock's reply to Lt. Valeris in Star Trek VI.
There is though, just less in terms of philosophical wisdom and more archetypal heroism and mythology. You can't really compare the two in terms of depth, you will have very different kinds of discussions on the two
Spock actually is smarter then Data at encryption , this explains why Spock was always Captain Kirk's secret weapon and to think how many times Data was the secret weapon on the Enterprise of TNG .
Thank you Spock for helping me make a lifetime of decisions, when clouded with emotions. 'What would Spock do?' A decision based on pure logic, with a pinch of humanity.
Vulcans have emotions. And we know those feelings lead to a violent past that neccesitated a social and philosophical change. . Spock's childhood from the little known wasn't easy. To embrace his Terran/Vulcan side. But his decisions regarding his path were I believe logical. He chose option "C". Starfleet. Just as Data did. Both were able to grow intellectually and emotionally. They made friends. They even cracked jokes. In hindsight I believe that the last Trek movie should have continued the Unification storyline on Romulus. I'm forever grateful to Star Trek for giving me 2 refreshing characters in Spock and Data.
I needed to click this...just to make sure it was actually real. I came from looking at memes. And this is the greatness I find? Damn Star Trek. I love you.
+TheVoiceOfTruth and how is he anti white? Bc he cast ONE black guy in a Star Wars film? Everyone one of his films has mostly white characters. Start trek 09 mostly white. Heck Khan, an indian character, was played by.a white British actor. Explain?
Ben McKean - Jesus Christ, read the first reply. Anti-white. Drop the fucking smug superiority and address that bullshit if you actually think your political affiliation is worth anything. Anti-white.
I feel like Data and Spock are the brains of both TOS and TNG Enterprise crews. They could reflect on each other a great deal. And learn a lot from each other.
This is an amazing scene that sums up how we can be better as individuals. Spock acknowledges how he hasn’t completely forgot/forgone his humanity and knows that’s always a part of himself. And Data who strives to be a better being no matter what he may become. I’ve seen some hate about the JJ remakes and I can see how some view them as just flashy, action packed explosions. But there are always 2 sides to every coin. Spock and Data represent 2 very different sides, yet have a commonality between then, an understanding. The Star Trek of the past is about philosophy, understanding, pursuit and betterment of all lifeforms. The JJ remakes are yes more action packed, but there still is subtext there. Maybe some fans wanted to see more action in Star Trek. You can be a Trekkie and like both versions, the original timeline and the kelvin timeline. If you don’t think the kelvin timeline exists then that’s fine, but some of us do like it. Also people who never saw or heard of Star Trek watched the movies and then came back and watched the shows and got hooked. Isn’t that what it’s about? Spreading knowledge and culture and trying to come together over our love for something fantastic.
I wish that I could honestly say that I have no regrets...I have tried to travel into the past and fix my mistakes...the worst is that while my father was dying of cancer, he wanted me to bring him home so that he could be near his black labs Magic and Nina...for whatever reason I felt he was better off in the facility....I was wrong....he was the nicest man that I ever knew and if I was the one dying, he would have carried me home in his arms...I failed...I had one father and one chance to get it right..and now his beloved dogs have passed on to...I can only hope that they are together somewhere across the universe...some days I want to die because I feel I will never see them again...but sometimes a simple gust of wind causes the trees to sway and for a moment, I can see him smiling...and then that moment flees from me as I reach to embrace it....slips through from my mind like trying to grasp the wind as it slips through my fingertips.
I can't believe how much TNG's script can do with a few short seconds... "I have no regrets" "That is a human expression" "fascinating" In just 3 short lines we know that he hasn't abandoned his humanity completely, he values human emotion and tendencies, he has found a balance within himself and yet still has a personal identity aligning more with his vulcan side, and we also get a very nice interaction between Data and Spock. How the hell do you write this good
Talent, inspiration, knowing the source material and letting heart and sould flow into it. Being interested in philosophy, ethics and moral questions might help too :P
every time I watch this show, I am overcome with sadness that I will never truly be able to live a life as profound and meaningful as this. sure, if I really tried my hardest, I could derive philosophical meaning from every moment of my life, but it just seems to come so easily to the people of this show. they don't even have to think about it. they just know. they are constantly growing, every single day. not a dull moment. not a moment wasted. I'd give EVERYTHING to join them. I'd be able to accept being a quadriplegic if I got to join Jean-Luc Picard on the enterprise. life feels empty without being there
This was always going to be an interest encounter. It was good to see that the writers spent some time coming up with this dialogue. It was worthy of the event and made this scene one of the series classics.
Brent Spiner mentioned how Spock was the antithesis of Data in a seven-minute interview with Starlog Magazine. I remember reading that article some weeks or months before this episode had first broadcasted. Indeed, as Spock would say: “Fascinating!”
I Really miss Leonard Nimoy. Strange because I never met the man, never knew him beyond his work but I still feel the world is somehow... less... for his absence.
I'm glad this episode exists. Before I saw it, I kinda lumped these two together since they fill the same general role within their respective series; both being generally dispassionate voices of reason in chaotic situations. But this episode really highlighted just how different they really are.
Man must have a quest. Each "man" in this case seeks that which he does not have. 9.7/ 10 for screenwriting, 9.8 / 10 for delivery. Quite a gem of a scene here.
One of the main reasons I been a fan from day one, is seeing this character seeking a balance of rational thought and emotional expression. Much I had to do back in the 1960s. Find a balance between what I needed and couldnt have and keeping the emotional responses minimal.
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This scene could go on for another 6 hours and I'd be perfectly fine with it.
Jeboon Indeed! They should have done an episode focusing on these two.
Only 6?
Yup had same thought.. The chemistry is there... They should have done more episodes with these two..
Jeboon... Make it so.
Count me as well !
A Vulcan who has no regrets about his humanity is gently reminded by an android seeking to be more human that his use of a particular turn of phrase shows he hasn't entirely given up his humanity. A wonderful little moment of Trek that wove together the views of two characters who both had complex relationships with their own respective humanity and never stopped reflecting on it.
I'd like to think Spock used a human expression to show he hasn't abandoned his humanity, rather than argue with Data.
Raluyen
As the man said, “Only Nixon could go to China.”
+tejas You are describing the “Borge”, and they are extremely arrogant about it. Believing they will assimilate while not giving the other person a choice.
One of the most beautiful things about the Spock character is how he never stops reflecting on anything, including himself.
An attribute maybe everybody should consider to adopt.
It makes for a hard life.
When you notice everything it's very hard to see nothing, ever.
I've come to find that attempting to analyze everything, eventually makes it so that you act on nothing. If you spend your life doing this, you may as well be a computer that dies of age.
yes!
With a thick skin and manners, it's wonderful.
But it's gonna Hurt getting that skin.
The "I have no regrets" line told me that Spock was every bit as Human as he was Vulcan. He was more sensitive and caring than he comes across which is what made him such a unique Character.
RagingDragon13 Which clarifies Kirk's eulogy of Spock in ST:TWOK when he said: "Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most...human."
Indeed. And the great Leonard Nimoy played the character perfectly over the decades. He owns that character forever. Nobody else can be Mr. Spock. The newer version tries his best and he is ok, but Leonard Nimoy IS Mr. Spock.
Spock is so devoted to Jim Kirk
@@OnLifeandLove It's a shame he advised alternate timeline Spock to blindly support alternate timeline Kirk, because that version of Kirk is missing key character background parts that made him a good captain.
Angsty brat with a lot of wasted potential who acts like a spoiled baby a lot of the time vs man who grew up seeing genocide first hand which shaped him to be a man with a strong moral compass who enjoys life because appreciates how fragile it can be. Not even a contest.
@doctorwho0077 There is a lot of criticism for Voyager but Tuvok doesn't seem to get much as he shouldn't.
Rest in peace, Leonard Nimoy. 😢
You will be long remembered, Mr. Spock.
Buddergod Indeed.
"I will always and forever be your friend. Live long and prosper..." - Spock
Amen R.I.P. Mr. Nimoy
Amen R.I.P. Mr. Nimoy
This is an amazing feat in writing.
"Ambassador spock, do you miss your humanity?"
"I have no regrets."
"That is a human expression."
*nods* ".....fascinating."
Agreed, this scene is one of the best moments in Star Trek history. I can only hope they introduce this kind of writing back, but I remain sceptic after seeing Discovery.
And now the new show "PICARD" looks and feels just like Discovery. What a shame. And I believe you meant to say you remain "skeptical".
@@titusorelius9458 I remain septic, please send help!!
@@Tuning3434 You remain septic? 10-4, a plumber has been dispatched to your location with a Roto-Rooter
yeah this is an amazing interplay. that is the real spock.
This is Star Trek.
Frank Bullet This is Star Trek.
This is Star Trek: Next Generation
So say we all;)
needs more hover vehicles.
Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage
Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage
Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage
Listen, all of y’all, it’s a sabotage
…
Well, there it is.
Funny, they are both more human than they know.
Brad Smith How?
@@nashshaffer6235 Watch the series to find out, you will not be disappointed!
@@nashshaffer6235 Kirk's speech at the end of Wrath of Khan answers that question.
Robert Martin When Kirk says that Spock was the most human, to a Vulcan isn’t that statement an offense?
Better.
A diamond who wants to be a stone, meets a stone who wants to be a diamond.
who is the stone?...Spock or Data? I believe I would find your answer both intriguing and...fascinating.
@@kamileon8536 does it really matter who wants to be what... After all, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and when you get there it's the same as always.
And then there's another famous half-human who _is_ a diamond, but that's from another TV show, on a completely different network entirely.
Leonard Nimoy was perfect for the role of Spock. Great voice, great look and excellent acting chops. Now he belongs to the ages. Thank you Leonard Nimoy for the inspiration to look deeper, think better and to question the answers.
InformationIsTheEdge I dont know about you but i hate the new spock
Coretteket I can't quite agree with you there. Zachary Quinto is a vast departure from Leonard Nimoy, that is certainly true and I rather prefer it that way. If the casting team targeted actors that were more like Nimoy, no matter who they selected, I would still resent them for not being a thirty-something year old Nimoy. At least this way we can get a new interpretation of an iconic character. The only thing I hate about the new Star Trek reboot is that the story went back to the Academy and we didn't get to see Finnegan terrorizing Jim as a Plebe! Would have loved to see some of that!
+Coretteket From what Zachary has done so far, his Spock has shown less of the calm wise demeanor and more of a snooty pencil pusher who acts like he'd rather be somewhere else.
+Coretteket just don't bother with the new movies. The TV series are pure gold !
I love all the TV series and films up to the last TNG one but I just can't take to the new films. I really don't rate the guy who plays Kirk much at all.
Data: That is a human expression.
Spock: (Oh my God! He has out- Vulcaned me!)
I always wanted to see more interaction between Data and the Vulcans. I think it's funny that a human created a being that the Vulcans spend their whole lives striving to be like.
No self-respecting Vulcan would tap dance though.
Haha, I'm sure they'd be awesome at it if they tried though! Data was just trying to learn more about human culture.
Tuvok did his little toe dance for Nelix though.
And no Vulcan would ever whistle as bad as Data
But imagine if the Vulcans created a robot 😱
This one scene, better than all of Star Trek Discovery.
You're so right
LMAO sad but true....like what the hell is that show? Star Trek Discovery of how we can fuck up Roddenberrys already progressive vision thats what it is.
discovery is such a shitshow
Star Trek Discovery also known as "STD". Coincidence?
@@sirreal1290 i think NOT!
Fascinating
Interesting
Intriguing
*_Indeed_*
PAKTRA PRODUCTIONS 😂 😂 😂
he also narrates in civilization v.....and it's amazing.....
most puzzling
@@sabin97 Leonard Nimoy did IV, Sean Bean did VI. As for V, that was the late William Morgan Sheppard.
This scene sums up both the Spock and Data characters most thoroughly and beautifully. In fact, I cannot imagine any other topic that would fascinate both of them more than this "human condition" thing. It was the only subject that needed to be addressed.
They should have done a 2 part episode series, or maybe even a full movie, on Mr. Spock and Data. This scene only hints at the story that could be told about these two; one denying his humanity and the other seeking to find it. Sadly, it can never happen now. This is all we have.
They decide to destroy data in the last Next Generation main movie. Too sad.
I don't think they needed to. Spock conveys everything he needs to with one "Fascinating." It's a clear back-reference to his conclusions in Star Trek VI, that "logic is only the beginning of wisdom." He's already told Data all he needs to - that he once sought to purge his humanity, but realized it was unnecessary and even misguided. Sometimes less is more.
like if they were stranded on a moon ..one with a big problem...would make a good story..
That's why we have CGI Spock and Spockpostors. (Spock Impostors)
@Sean Morgan, that point is... somewhat overruled by the utterance of the word "Fascinating", which pertains to human emotion... no?
This has to be one of the best introspective scenes in Star Trek. Very clever of the writer to catch this interplay between Spock and Data. So much to ponder from such a short scene. Very well observed.
One of the best scenes in TNG.
A lot of good ones come to mind when you say that but this one is up there.
This comment is literally under every TNG video on youtube.
That was a beautifully nuanced interaction. Brilliantly written and performed.
Love the way TNG continued the link with TOS, by bringing in Deforrest Kelley, James Doohan and Leonard Nimoy. Three great actors who played legendary characters in the franchise, now at rest. Thanks for the legacy, Mr. Nimoy.
Ernest Spencer the one thing Star Trek Discovery will never achieve!!!
Which is what Gene Roddenberry didnt want.
Would have loved to see McCoy and Scottie to meet Data
Omg, you just made me realize, ST:TNG killed those three! They're the only ones to guest star in the show, and the first (and only) ones to die! (I'm not counting the first TNG movie of course)
@@raymondweaver8526 Well, Scottie did kinda meet Data in one of TNG episodes.
RIP Leonard Nimoy
1931-2015.
I would love to hear these two talk all day.
There's a very koan-like quality to this conversation. If you keep in mind that both of them are constantly self-reflecting and learning about themselves and the Universe, you might find that the apparent one-word "fascinating" brush offs are not brush offs at all, but an attempt to transmit an entire lifetime's experience.
By using "I have no regrets", a human expression, to answer Data's question, he's essentially refuting the underlying premise - that he has abandoned his humanity. Rather than abandon, it would seem that he has _integrated_ his humanity into his stoic outlook. By responding with "fascinating", he is hinting to Data that this is a much deeper field of discovery, one that might end up enriching Data's life.
I don't think Spock ever says "fascinating" as a form of sarcasm. He means that something's surprising, and worthy of more analysis in order to understand it.
This is the conversation I always wanted to see, it's every bit as intriguing and fascinating as I knew it would be :)
Indeed
Affirmative
As much as Spock stated he had no use for human emotions we all knew it was just a smokescreen for a compassionate, reflective, caring soul.
Like two sides of the same coin. One trying to become more volken then human. And the other trying to become more human than machine. It's like poetry
Dr. Biosis Vulcan not volken
What a great scene. Shows how "humanity" means different things to different people. The two give great they're own impressions of Picard's duality.
RIP Leonard
Fascinating.
Interesting.
Intriguing.
** looking though a thesaurus**
could just have a tv show of data and spock discussing life
Awesome...simply awesome, classic Star Trek moment.
Spock and Data: logical to the end.
If you read between the lines, their conversation, is more than just pure logic. As Spock remarks in Star Trek VI, Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end of it. So...
Spock and Data: wise to the end.
brav0wing I wonder if Spock is still on Romulus, at the end of " Nemesis ", & he's heard what happened re. : the battle between the Scimitar & Enterprise, & found out that Data gave his life to stop Picard's " twin " & the Scimitar's weapon.
Daniel Appleton Check out the comic "Star Trek Countdown." It takes place after "Nemesis" and leads into the events of the 2009 "Star Trek" movie. It's studio-approved, so considered cannon. www.amazon.co.jp/Star-Trek-Countdown-Tim-Jones/dp/1600104207
DATA DIES!?!? NOOOOO!!!!! :'(
#Spoilers
Lol.
This was a really great (two-part) episode and the way they handled the interaction between Spock, Picard and Data was absolutely perfect. Spock makes note of Picard's personality, which is so very different from Kirk's. And of course we never really saw Data interact with Vulcans anywhere near as much as he should have. While his aspiration to be more human was natural, having been built by one, in many ways there was a lot of unexplored potential rapport with Vulcans that they never got into. Data perceives himself as "incomplete" because he lacks human emotions. Spock, and other Vulcans, would contradict that and say he was perfectly designed as-is (Lore would be the one they would judge as a mistake).
100% second everything you said! Spot on.
It would've been interesting if the deactivated Lore had been found by a Vulcan ship. I don't think they would've been fooled as easily as the crew of the Enterprise & later on by the Pakleds ( ? ). Or he might've been discovered by Romulans. The Vulcans would've studied him, the Romulans might've studied him then destroyed him.
Data did embody all the qualities that Vulcans aspire to, yet he does feel " incomplete " lacking emotions & other human qualities. Q said he " Coveted " them, which would be a human trait itself.
yeah Lore was alot more like a human and he was a piece of shit so what does that tells us about humans?!
+jakep1979 Data has always had emotions and desires. I always felt that he lacked some of the programing or hardware to complete what was already inside him. I always figured that Lore's faulty emotion programming forced Data's creator to remove the emotion chip that Data would of had and had to remove the bugs off it before giving it back to Data.
There are just so many moments when you see Data show amazement, surprise, and even some sort of triumph in his actions. Much the way Spock hides his emotions, but they pop up often enough to show that he's still able to act on emotion when pushed enough.
+V Guyver A lot of that was attributable to his developing characterization though, at first he showed emotion because they hadn't firmly set in stone that he shouldn't and Spiner hadn't become comfortable with the character's emotionlessness yet. After that it could be attributed to Data pretending to have an emotional reaction in order to seem more human. Cannonically, he didn't have true emotions till he got the chip.
Spock was one of the most deep, multi-layered and multi-faceted characters of Star Trek and his masterful acting by Leonard Nimoy were the reasons he was such a popular character.
1:45 "In effect, you have abandoned what I have sought all my life" *awakard silence* "I believe I have isolated the 29th sector access code". Not even Spock had a witty logical comeback from that burn!
That wasn't a burn.. it was simply.. a statement of obversation.
It wasn't a burn. And, nothing more need be said. Spock's response is to simply exist as he is. His choices in life are a rebuttal to Data's lifelong quest.
No, it isn't a burn, nor is it a rebuttal. It is Spock's statement that Data is missing the point - not to become one thing rather than another, but instead how to reconcile the two halves, without losing the lessons from either. It's in the title of the episode ("unification"), and also in Spock's reply to Lt. Valeris in Star Trek VI.
I think at that moment, Spock was somehow hearing McCoy laugh his ass off. :)
@@JnEricsonx nailed it!
When your a star wars mega fan crying that there isn't this kind of depth in your franchise 😭😭
There is though, just less in terms of philosophical wisdom and more archetypal heroism and mythology. You can't really compare the two in terms of depth, you will have very different kinds of discussions on the two
Spock actually is smarter then Data at encryption , this explains why Spock was always Captain Kirk's secret weapon and to think how many times Data was the secret weapon on the Enterprise of TNG .
'I'll take this opportunity to remove my ears' . . . that is not a sentence I expect to hear everyday. lol
That line was rather... pointed.
Apparently Mark Antony needed a loaner.
Vincent Van Gogh?
This series is a showcase for the love & pursuit of wisdom through moral & intellectual self discipline.
I dig Spok’s final comment, borne from introspection: “Fascinating”
Thank you Spock for helping me make a lifetime of decisions, when clouded with emotions.
'What would Spock do?'
A decision based on pure logic, with a pinch of humanity.
I love Spock as he was in Star Trek 6 and this episode because he is a man who has truly found balance
One of the most legendary scenes of all Star Trek for sure!
Vulcans have emotions. And we know those feelings lead to a violent past that neccesitated a social and philosophical change. .
Spock's childhood from the little known wasn't easy. To embrace his Terran/Vulcan side.
But his decisions regarding his path were I believe logical. He chose option "C". Starfleet. Just as Data did.
Both were able to grow intellectually and emotionally. They made friends. They even cracked jokes.
In hindsight I believe that the last Trek movie should have continued the Unification storyline on Romulus.
I'm forever grateful to Star Trek for giving me 2 refreshing characters in Spock and Data.
I needed to click this...just to make sure it was actually real.
I came from looking at memes. And this is the greatness I find? Damn Star Trek. I love you.
Amazing scene, one of my all the time favorite.
I would rather watch conversations and exchanges like this one all day than the soulless mess of a remake JJ Abrams made.
+TheVoiceOfTruth and how is he anti white? Bc he cast ONE black guy in a Star Wars film? Everyone one of his films has mostly white characters. Start trek 09 mostly white. Heck Khan, an indian character, was played by.a white British actor. Explain?
+TheVoiceOfTruth I didn't think Star Trek would appeal to KKK freaks
Ben McKean - Jesus Christ, read the first reply. Anti-white. Drop the fucking smug superiority and address that bullshit if you actually think your political affiliation is worth anything. Anti-white.
Dont forget the souless STD
TheVoiceOfTruth fuck off with your nazi bullshit
Live long and prosper in eternity.:(
There is more Star Trek in this 2.5 minute clip than in all of the 'Star Trek' franchise since 2009.
My beloved Star Trek still keeps my muse. Fascinating.
Its so wholesome seeing these two together
It's perfect, and in so many ways.
. . . . The grass is always greener. . . . . .
I find this to be one of the best Star Trek scenes available on UA-cam. Fascinating.
"I have had some experience in these matters." - Spock, giving one Hell of an understatement
As a wise man once said, "the unexamined life is not worth living."
Remember the Statement of the Pythia.
I feel like Data and Spock are the brains of both TOS and TNG Enterprise crews. They could reflect on each other a great deal. And learn a lot from each other.
One of the best crossover Dialogue scenes ever written!
0:38 Whenever music I don't like comes on.
How did we got from this magnificent dialogue to......ST Discovery. wtf.
@Jiminy Cricket
Its funny how people used to complain about Enterprise and now STD comes out, no one complains about it. Fascinating.
I remember when I first watched this scene all those years ago, I was just grinning from ear to ear like a moron all the way through. Fascinating.
this scene is...fascinating...
The two greatest Star Trek characters counterpointing one another perfectly on the most important aspect of the franchise.
This scene is absolutely brilliant!
omg this is so beautiful
Cool stuff, two of my favorite characters from star trek series
"I will take this opportunity to remove my ears" - said no Ferengi ever...
ACTUALLY Pel does exactly the same thing in an early DS9 episode :P
Two favourite characters. Fantastic scene. Wish there was more they'd make great friends
MidnightEkaki read the JJ Abrams Star Trek prequel comic; it reveals they do become good friends.
Why is it I cry every time I see this scene
This could be a ted talk in itself.
"I will have to take this opportunity to remove my ears" That is the sought of quote someone like Dr McCoy would make! 😁😁😁😁😁😁
Only one person is half Vulcan in that scene, yet they all act like one within certain ways. Even Picard
My two favorite Star Trek in one scene. Awesome
Reminds me of a Spock vs. Q audio book I bought years a go which is a debate between Spock and Q about humans.
I hope it had Part 2 included!
I find this scene most enlightening as it shows how much better the writing of Star Trek was versus how the writing is now. ( FASCINATING)
What a conversation. Mind Blown!
This TV show has some gems like this scene, extremely well written. I tip my hat to those awesome actors too.
This is an amazing scene that sums up how we can be better as individuals. Spock acknowledges how he hasn’t completely forgot/forgone his humanity and knows that’s always a part of himself. And Data who strives to be a better being no matter what he may become. I’ve seen some hate about the JJ remakes and I can see how some view them as just flashy, action packed explosions. But there are always 2 sides to every coin. Spock and Data represent 2 very different sides, yet have a commonality between then, an understanding. The Star Trek of the past is about philosophy, understanding, pursuit and betterment of all lifeforms. The JJ remakes are yes more action packed, but there still is subtext there. Maybe some fans wanted to see more action in Star Trek. You can be a Trekkie and like both versions, the original timeline and the kelvin timeline. If you don’t think the kelvin timeline exists then that’s fine, but some of us do like it. Also people who never saw or heard of Star Trek watched the movies and then came back and watched the shows and got hooked. Isn’t that what it’s about? Spreading knowledge and culture and trying to come together over our love for something fantastic.
This is begging for a "My Dinner with Andre" -style expansion to feature length.
I wish that I could honestly say that I have no regrets...I have tried to travel into the past and fix my mistakes...the worst is that while my father was dying of cancer, he wanted me to bring him home so that he could be near his black labs Magic and Nina...for whatever reason I felt he was better off in the facility....I was wrong....he was the nicest man that I ever knew and if I was the one dying, he would have carried me home in his arms...I failed...I had one father and one chance to get it right..and now his beloved dogs have passed on to...I can only hope that they are together somewhere across the universe...some days I want to die because I feel I will never see them again...but sometimes a simple gust of wind causes the trees to sway and for a moment, I can see him smiling...and then that moment flees from me as I reach to embrace it....slips through from my mind like trying to grasp the wind as it slips through my fingertips.
I can't believe how much TNG's script can do with a few short seconds...
"I have no regrets"
"That is a human expression"
"fascinating"
In just 3 short lines we know that he hasn't abandoned his humanity completely, he values human emotion and tendencies, he has found a balance within himself and yet still has a personal identity aligning more with his vulcan side, and we also get a very nice interaction between Data and Spock. How the hell do you write this good
Talent, inspiration, knowing the source material and letting heart and sould flow into it. Being interested in philosophy, ethics and moral questions might help too :P
every time I watch this show, I am overcome with sadness that I will never truly be able to live a life as profound and meaningful as this. sure, if I really tried my hardest, I could derive philosophical meaning from every moment of my life, but it just seems to come so easily to the people of this show. they don't even have to think about it. they just know. they are constantly growing, every single day. not a dull moment. not a moment wasted. I'd give EVERYTHING to join them. I'd be able to accept being a quadriplegic if I got to join Jean-Luc Picard on the enterprise. life feels empty without being there
Definitely one of the best scenes in all of Star Trek. Does anything like this air anywhere any longer? This is what Star Trek should be...
The new movies will never touch this.
Two LEGENDS with special skills made a team with unique power !
If I ever want to just relax and be happy, I watch scenes like this.
This was always going to be an interest encounter. It was good to see that the writers spent some time coming up with this dialogue. It was worthy of the event and made this scene one of the series classics.
Data- the sky is blue. Spock- fastinating
Brent Spiner mentioned how Spock was the antithesis of Data in a seven-minute interview with Starlog Magazine. I remember reading that article some weeks or months before this episode had first broadcasted. Indeed, as Spock would say: “Fascinating!”
I Really miss Leonard Nimoy. Strange because I never met the man, never knew him beyond his work but I still feel the world is somehow... less... for his absence.
my two favorite characters in all of Trekdom.
I could listen to Spock and Data talk to each other all day. My IQ would jump over 9000
My all time favorites
I'm glad this episode exists.
Before I saw it, I kinda lumped these two together since they fill the same general role within their respective series; both being generally dispassionate voices of reason in chaotic situations. But this episode really highlighted just how different they really are.
strange, considering Spock had learned that V'ger's accomplishments were a dead end without a human quality, and even impressed this point upon Kirk
In fact logic and emotion go hand in hand.
I could listen to Spock 🖖🏻 say fascinating all day! 😂😂❤️❤️❤️❤️
Man must have a quest. Each "man" in this case seeks that which he does not have.
9.7/ 10 for screenwriting, 9.8 / 10 for delivery.
Quite a gem of a scene here.
well now we have to know what your 10 is
One of my favorite scenes in the series...
"Fascinating" is the Vulcan word for "That's wicked shit, bro!"
I have always suspected that both Spock, and Data, were more " Human " than either one of them realized....
Indeed
One of the main reasons I been a fan from day one, is seeing this character seeking a balance of rational thought and emotional expression. Much I had to do back in the 1960s. Find a balance between what I needed and couldnt have and keeping the emotional responses minimal.