@@yesd2024 because that’s just simply how football leagues tend to work. There are also financial advantages because it means everyone can make a team ( especially in the lower divisions ) which means even more money given to the association.
@@JSA-Studios To have 2 divisions you would have to split the 30 into even less teams, and the US is so big that there are east and west conferences, and accounting for all that is too hard imo
From a financial perspective, I doubt MLS will ever add relegation, they have little incentive to because they know they can charge $$$ to investors who want to buy in. If they added relegation, these valuations would plummet. Of course, from a footballing perspective relegation is important but money talks in the US.
No need for that now since professional soccer is new in the USA, maybe they will keep charging fees until they had 50 teams or something and then they will split into first and second division
@@johncohnor9655 50 teams in one league just seems infeasible. They’re just looking for money for new buy ins, which really kills any interest in the league. You have 30 teams and no reason for the bottom half to care about their position since the clubs finances are secured. I get it’s a new league, but 30 teams is excessive. I’d honestly watch the MLS if it had some form of second league
Hopefully after 2026 world cup MLS will become much more popular and add relegation Edit: MLS has a second division called the USL so regulation isn't out of the question
@@Jakub8987 nah i watch almost every European league and keep up with the news on the ones i don't watch regularly. MLS can't be considered as a real league as my nan could score 20 goals there.
I dont watch the MLS but I feel like it will get more and more popular in the coming years. Some clubs already have better "Ultras" than the english clubs and the atmosphere and different entertainment from other US sports they will be able to create in stadiums could become something special. Until something goes wrong and they will blame the Ultras and you will have reached the level of european football hahaha
MLS would be popular if the already existing sports didn’t exist. American Football, Basketball, Baseball, and Hockey are much more popular than soccer
@@rocketje_bs Europe is obviously better? It’s literally not even a debate lol. The prem, La liga, Bundesliga etc 😂, the English second division is ranked as a better league by EUFA coefficients then the MLS 😂
Europeans talking mad smack but, as soon as the MLS gets big as the NFL and NBA and make their money; Europeans will start to cry when MLS will rob their best players out of their favorite teams
At this point they could split MLS into a 1st and a 2nd division with 15 teams each and have promotion and relegation, which surely would massively improve the competition.
American sports are so meaningless. There is no threat to defeat. You lose every game in the mls and you are still there next year. Pointless and boring.
American sports = money. I agree that not having a promotion/relegation is not that great BUT there is still money to be made. Maybe later on the format changes but for now it needs to be this way in order for investors to be drawn in......MLS started with 12 teams now almost 30...just wait and see.
Well I don’t pay that close attention to the MLS but I’m a huge hockey fan. There is a lot of excitement in sports here, for example fighting for a playoff spot, and winning the cup in the playoffs. Every match does matter, just in a different way
They're trying to fix that by adding more and more teams. Soon enough we'll have about 32-36 teams. Once that happens you can split the league into 2 and make regulation and promotion battles.
Bournemouth aint winning shit in the future and their "history" is the only they can sell you on because European football is fundamentally flawed compared to the American sports leagues. With proper management, a good scouting department and some luck, San Diego might win the MLS title a few years after its inception. Bournemouth? Might make a good buck from the young talent it sells to Man City or Liverpool. But go on about your tradition. Las Vegas just won a cup 6 years after its NHL club was formed. Thats what every league should aspire to
Well San Diego does have an indoor/arena soccer franchise that plays a 6 a side version of the game in a lower level arena soccer league. I've supported them since 1985. Great Game and very successful franchise in San Diego.
I don't think San Diego does deserve it. 1. The fan bases of San Diego are disinterested and apathetic. 2. The SD franchise is subservient to San Diego State University. It's their stadium and the MLS team will be paying tenants. For a primary football stadium with SDSU branding. This breaks with the MLS model. No revenue streams coming in from the stadium, just rent going out. And SDSU sucks.
And in America you get paid for playoff wins It’s the same shit but better Nobody cares about Manchester or Newcastle and nobody in England has won any international championship unlike the US
@@AbpedmOno they don’t. In America people work themselves to death with poor employment laws, no free healthcare and school shooters. No one is living in America, they are waiting to die. Europeans know how to live life
I live in San Diego, i think the stadium will be shared with SDSU. They both fought for that stadium that used to belong to the San Diego Chargers before they left to LA
@@toiky9476 forward Madison isn't MLS, or even second division, it's USL1, the third division. The second division, USL Championship, is getting a Milwaukee team in 2025
@@rocketje_bs literally the opposite, and if you think the prem is only won by rich teams then could you answer me this question, who won the league in the 2015/16 season?
@261i7 The argument over the name of the sport is utterly stupid. Neither names are wrong, they both reference the name of the sport. People will obviously take your word instead but I still made my point.
They will and they do😂 The fan support is higher than any other league Every stadium has 90 minutes of singing and drumming and new chants invented each season
@@fingmoron that’s why I said trying the more attention it gets online more likely it is so get proper funding and a actually decent league will relegation battles multiple different leagues and some cool chants and stuff can eventually happen
Relegation will never happen. The teams already bought in so they’re never going to accept the possibility of being sent down. The league is designed to survive in an environment that was hostile to soccer. Before MLS the teams would be formed when soccer was popular then go bankrupt in 5 years once people in that town lost interest. MLS figured out that if they all shared revenue in a single league they’d be able to grow without risk of going under. So it attracted more investment because it was seen as less risk. Now that soccer is popular the flip side is happening where now the league is having trouble establishing teams because of the high up front costs. MLS and US Soccer prefers a small captive audience that spends more money rather than a large audience that spends less. They really aren’t interested in getting soccer to every corner of the country.
@@fingmoron”All money driven” 😂 And European leagues aren’t? In Europe all the best players go to the club with the most money. In the US players are fairly drafted, the worst teams get the best players to make the league more fair. Players are also traded rather than bought. Don’t speak on things you know nothing about 🤡
Relegation won't be popular with owners for a few reasons. One the massive investment / buy in of entering the league only to risk losing it, two the bone dry earnings of the USL, and three they would certainly need to implement a profit sharing scheme like that used in England (relegated teams get a few years of the revenue they would have gotten in the premier league 60%, 40%, then 30% of what last place gets or something like that. I personally think the MLS needs to keep growing its revenues, then only start letting teams buy into the USL and implement some limited promotion / relegation and profit sharing to help lift up the USL.
MLS can actually be a different sports league in North America. Unlike other leagues like the MLB and NBA, teams that own second teams/g league teams. The mls can either gain more teams and expand or be stuck in the loop that is the draft.
Or maybe follow the NBA format, 15 on the West coast vs 15 on the East coast. Winners of each conference meet in the finals….cause I don’t see MLS developing a relegation battle format, especially since I don’t seem them working with the NASL anytime soon 👀
Meanwhile teams in European league winning solely because they are getting fed money from billionaires in the gulf states. Money has never directly equaled success in the US for any sport
American sports in a nutshell: Step 1: Play sh*t for a year or three. Step 2: Reap the benefits of coming in dead last, such as receiving a first round draft pick. Step 3: Build a supersquad. No relegation means no incentive to perform, especially when throwing away years will lead to having an advantageous position with regards to draftpicks. Sure, there's almost never a fully dominant team for a longer period of time - unless you have a group that is insanely busted with talent (Brady's Patriots, Curry's Warriors).
@@sethjohnson8222 Because America is always better? Wut? The big difference with Europe and US is that there's roughly about 30 franchises for each sport across the entire US. This would in Europe only translate to the Champions League for football. Where the big teams clash and there's plenty of good matches there. Yes, on a national level, the bigger clubs usually stay on top, but then you have upsets like a three way title fight in England, Leverkusen in Germany, last seasons Italian champion Napoli ending up somewhere 8th, 9th or 10th or Dutch side Ajax having a paultry season. So what you're saying only holds true to a degree. There are so many clubs that there's much more to enjoy. But let me now delve into how it's funny that the American sportsystem is probably the most unamerican-thing there is though, especially compared to sports in all other parts of the world. I mean isn't part of the American Dream that working hard pays in the long run and should be enjoyed and celebrated? I mean that's the capitalist viewpoint on which America was built. But, looking at how the drafts work, I'd even go as far as saying that the American Sports tradition is very communistic in its approach to talent and budgets. Whereas you're now criticizing the European bigger clubs for just that.
Bro man city win the title every year, it’s not about hard work. How do you explain wrexhams rise just hard work right no big $ investment. Newcastle bought by Saudi elite a year or two later their in champions league. Just a coincidence based on hard work right? There’s is so much more disparity of champions in American club sports. I can name 12 clubs in England prem that have no chance of finishing top 4 doesn’t matter how hard they work bigger clubs are way richer and outspend them that’s why man United and Liverpool are toward the top of the table every single year. Nottingham could work a billion times harder than city next year. City will still win the league….
Sacramento needs a MLS team ngl, as a Sacramento Republic fan, Republic needs to be MLS abut if it wasn’t for the Pittsburgh Penguins owner, we would’ve been MLS.
So I’m from San Diego and we were supposed to get one in 1996. Long story short, the deal fell through and it’s been in and out talks between stadium owners and mls for a long time. I can tell you there is a lot of excitement for this team but half a billion dollars is way to much for a team. I do believe relegation and promotion would bring mls to the next level
well for now it wont happen since the MLS compared to top soccer leagues in the world was created recently so i think they need to expand more and get things ready as well as more organized b4 it can happen, half a million dollars is wild as well.
If they had relegation, no one would have bought the san diego team,they might have gone down after their first yr, and then get stuck in usl for 3-5 yrs , , that might be a deathknell for any new team,
I think the MLS should adopt the same concept as the Premier or La Liga . At me myself I would be in love if teams in the MLS go to second division and others teams from the second division go to the Pro league.
Everyone here seems to want promotion and relegation. You find that in every other league on earth, so don’t let me stop you from supporting those leagues. But look around the world… the traditional model leads to 1-3 teams from the largest cities winning every single year for your entire life. The US system of a set top league pared with strong salary caps brings parity and gives smaller markets not only the ability to stay in the league but to compete to win it. Stay unique in the world MLS. It will keep paying off over the long run.
@@moonman9450yeah fr, MLS is trying to grow soccer and if a team gets relegated all the fans will just go back to watching basketball (American) football hockey baseball etc. Relegation works when that's a towns identity and its one of the most popular sports. soccer's in 5th place for sports in the us currently
@@Jack-sq6xb having closer ties to fans through relegation and promotion will help that all american sports team are just weird hollow corporate shells right now, no reason to feel tied to them.
@@kyemerchant5455 because it is a closed league... 0 risk of losing ur money cos if u do bad then u get to pick the next big up and coming player meaning eventually u will be the best again securing a time where the club will have secure income, trophies etc... if a team does bad in the prem and get related they will have to cut wages (unhappy players),sell high earners and star players for cheap losing out on money (adams, maddison, rodrigo etc), lose about 500 million in TV right money, change the spnosers (loosing more money), often times if the club has too many big names with high wages and get related they will go into financial turmoil declaring bankruptcy, sanctions and unhappy fans calling the owners to leave which forces u to sell the club cheaply losing more personal money (derby county, luton, bolton, sunderland etc)
@bigt6665 sure but it's also the most popular sport in the richest country in the world. It just makes sense. Besides even the MLB and nba make more in a year than the epl. Relegation wouldn't work in the NFL either cause teams will often go from one of the worst teams to the superbowl in one year.
As a San Diegan I see this as a big chance for me and my teammates to get potential scoutings, but it will also be nice to have a big football hub in my area
If the MLS can keep expanding, then a 2-tier pro/rel system is possible. Soccer/football will never get to the level found in Europe with 10+ tiers, but the MLS + USL could be enough for a 2 or 3 tier system which would allow some pretty awesome pro/rel battles.
I mean every other US sport has those so it makes sense. US sports are built around parity in both competition and profit (revenue sharing, etc.) It really makes sense from a business perspectivem
People forget the league is split into east and west and 30 is alot but that's only 15 in each conference. The US is just geographically much much larger than the UK, Spain, etc so in practice it's pretty functional. I know people want pro rel but realistically it won't happen. I'm all for it don't get me wrong but as of right now with how the mls is still trying to popularize pro soccer in the US, it would be absolute chaos trying to prep most second division teams for mls and some mls teams would absolutely collapse if they were relegated. The infrastructure just doesn't exist consistently accross the board. That and statistically pro rel doesn't have the effect on competition that most people believe it does anyway. Generally the best players go to the best teams who never have to worry and the worst players end up on the teams that do have to worry. That's not exactly a recipe for improving the competition (at least in the 1st division) as much as it is for a chaotic scramble at the end of the season. Which I agree would be exciting.
That will never happen in the US. The American sports model has always been about business. They will never risk the investment with relegation. NFL, MLB, and all the rest of them are run in such American ideas.
@@yannickdellaert1616tell that to Brazilians with a country as large as theirs, yet they manage to make it work with relegation and produce the best players in the world at the same time.
Just having one league where no teams are fighting for relegation, no americas tournaments, is a borefest. If they change the format, it'll be a little more interesting.
20 is too many. Maybe it’s not sustainable but my favorite MLS was when every team played every team once, those in their conference twice, and maybe their rivals three times.
nah the games are boring players have no incentive to overachieve it will always be a retirement legue winning the league is like being the toughest kid in 5th grade
Unwise decision by MLS to award SD as 30th team. We shall see by how SD will be viable MLS team. There are other North America cities to award an MLS franchise.
Now that they have 30 teams it would be very cool if they adopted the system they have in Europe. For example have one season where the 30 teams compete. Then on the following season the 15 teams that did worst would be regulated into a second division league. From there continue with the traditional format.
Yeah no. Promotion/relegation sucks. US leagues are much more fair than European leagues. Instead of all the best players being bought up by the 4 teams with the most money, the teams are created to be more equal in skill level. In the US, the best young players are drafted to the worst pro teams to even the playing field. Also the US can host way more teams than a European country because the US has a higher population
@@michaeltnk1135I love the idea of pro/reg but it’s “not good for profit”. It would be cool if it was a pro/reg league with the top 4 in each conference to square off in a playoff.
MLS needs relegation. Literally no major league takes US football seriously without it. How can MLS expect to attract fans from around the globe without it.
Why would relegation be the sole factor in “attracting fans around the globe”? And are you sure no major league takes the MLS seriously? Theres been quite a few players that came up through the MLS such as Miguel Almiron (who won POTM in the premier league) Jack Harrison (who was Leeds star man), as well as Alphonso Davies, Tyler Adams, and Zack Steffen,
@@yesd2024 players aren’t the league lol. Son is a great player, do people think the South Korean league is amazing? And yes, relegation would actually make the rest of the world look at the MLS and go “oh now it’s a proper football league”.
@@c.l.visions2581 dont you think if people never took the mls seriously, they wouldn’t be playing for these top leagues? Also Heung-Min Son never played professionally in South Korea 💀
Not to mention, the MLS is already the 2nd biggest league in all of the americas right behind Brazil, and gets a shit ton of latin american prospects coming such as Facundo Torres and Ezequiel Barco
Will never happen. NBA, nfl, nhl, mlb don't have it and mls won't have it either. Owners can't handle the financial failure of being relegated in the states nor want that.
@@SantomPh not in America bro so too bad for you. Did you not just read the leagues that don't do it? They're all in America. Hence it will never happen.
@@hostility3404plus, all of the leagues you mentioned, have been successful without pro/rel for over 60+ years and continue to bring in the best players in the world every season.
Imagine a relegation/promotion system between MLS and USL. That would be dope to watch. We would be getting crazy underdog stories like Leicester. Unfortunately that won't happen tho because MLS owners are only going to care about money.
you can't have a promotion based league in what is the 5th most popular league in the US, and the gap between 4 and 5 is huge. Investments are too big and the country is geographically too big to have relegation, it would be the death of a lot of teams if they went down to a 2nd league and stayed there because people from that area would just watch one of the 4 larger sports.
It's not needed, just look at the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB. Most of these leagues from their perspective sport have been around for 60+ years and still going strong without pro/rel.
The MLS will be the #1 league in the world by far if it becomes the most popular sport in the USA. The differences between Saudi and China is it is self sustainable. 30 clubs all bringing in more revenue than Arsenal. Saudi and China were/are artificially funded and will collapse as soon as that funding stops
So they’ll never add relegation. Teams that spend 450m to just enter the league will never allow it. They don’t care about quality it’s all about money and adds
This is franchising, the high price tags are just set by the league because they control everything, because of no relegation. Awful format for fans and for quality of football, great for money
MLS is one big club with 30 teams and stadiums. It's the largest single club in the world. This is difficult to grasp from a foreign perspective but we are used to this format here.
The absence of pro/rel in the US plus Canada is Absolutely the path to dominance at the very highest level, and I truly hope that some country or group of countries in Europe will one day decide to take the American model and run with it. It would probably have to be a group of countries, but this model does give you better success over time.
for you maybe, clearly there is money to be made for others. Therefore investments are coming in fast and hard. These investors are coming from all over the world. The US has the biggest sporting market in the world. Just wait and see.
@@NahSonUrGood The American market just loves watching 40 minutes of ads and 10 minutes of actual action, that's the only real reason people invest in American sports. After that there is nothing interesting happening, an irrelevant league in wich everyone is secured to never suffer and overall never win anything impressive, or in other words, "actually boring".
They could actually get more teams because there is the whole USL Championship, USL League One, and NISA they could integrate into a multiple-tiered relegation system. That could put all major US soccer clubs at 75! But no…😢
We need more teams to have relegation battles. That’s where the REAL and BEST football is played. When teams are fighting for survival
You wish 😂😂😂
@@omarzarat6244 what do you even mean? He’s literally right, the MLS needs a second division so there’s promotion and relegation.
@@SillyBalkanPerson there is usl which is considered second to the mls
@@SillyBalkanPersontell me why exactly the mls needs relegation and promotion? Is there an advantage financially or something?
@@yesd2024 because that’s just simply how football leagues tend to work. There are also financial advantages because it means everyone can make a team ( especially in the lower divisions ) which means even more money given to the association.
Need to separate into a two tier system with promotion and relegation ASAP IMO
America is all about the money and no pro/rel means the clubs money is secure
Promotion and relegation with only 30 teams doesn’t make sense imo. if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
@@blizzard2376 What do you mean only 30 teams that is 10 more than the premier league
Why do you think they are paying so much?
@@JSA-Studios To have 2 divisions you would have to split the 30 into even less teams, and the US is so big that there are east and west conferences, and accounting for all that is too hard imo
From a financial perspective, I doubt MLS will ever add relegation, they have little incentive to because they know they can charge $$$ to investors who want to buy in. If they added relegation, these valuations would plummet.
Of course, from a footballing perspective relegation is important but money talks in the US.
No need for that now since professional soccer is new in the USA, maybe they will keep charging fees until they had 50 teams or something and then they will split into first and second division
@@johncohnor9655 Yeah that’s my solution. Pay to join the MLS but you can never be kicked out of it.
MLS DOESNT HAVE RELEGATION??! 😂what a shite fokin league 😂😂 u learn sum new everyday
@@johncohnor9655 50 teams in one league just seems infeasible. They’re just looking for money for new buy ins, which really kills any interest in the league. You have 30 teams and no reason for the bottom half to care about their position since the clubs finances are secured. I get it’s a new league, but 30 teams is excessive. I’d honestly watch the MLS if it had some form of second league
Lies again? 30 Teams PSG Receipt
Hopefully after 2026 world cup MLS will become much more popular and add relegation
Edit: MLS has a second division called the USL so regulation isn't out of the question
Good idea but it’s not going to happen.
Relegation would not work for the MlS
Who wants that soccer club
Premier league>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mls
@@Jakub8987 bro i like all other leagues except this MLS sh*t
Bcoz they call soccer
@@Jakub8987 nah i watch almost every European league and keep up with the news on the ones i don't watch regularly. MLS can't be considered as a real league as my nan could score 20 goals there.
MLS could be such a good league if we weren't such a big country, and we have regulation
Nah
@@mnd7381 yah
I dont watch the MLS but I feel like it will get more and more popular in the coming years. Some clubs already have better "Ultras" than the english clubs and the atmosphere and different entertainment from other US sports they will be able to create in stadiums could become something special.
Until something goes wrong and they will blame the Ultras and you will have reached the level of european football hahaha
@@nottherealChickenJoeYes the ultra are insane, just watch the Inter Miami ultras and u will see
MLS would be popular if the already existing sports didn’t exist. American Football, Basketball, Baseball, and Hockey are much more popular than soccer
Everyone stop, relegation isn't going to happen in a franchised league.
Says everything about the MLS, all money no spirit
Bro thinks Europe is better
@@rocketje_bs Compare the MLS to like the Bundesliga or the serie A, wonder which of them is the least passionate...
@@rocketje_bs It very obviously is better 😂
@@rocketje_bs Europe is obviously better? It’s literally not even a debate lol. The prem, La liga, Bundesliga etc 😂, the English second division is ranked as a better league by EUFA coefficients then the MLS 😂
Europeans talking mad smack but, as soon as the MLS gets big as the NFL and NBA and make their money; Europeans will start to cry when MLS will rob their best players out of their favorite teams
At this point they could split MLS into a 1st and a 2nd division with 15 teams each and have promotion and relegation, which surely would massively improve the competition.
Nah bro I don’t think they will ever do that. They would rather have an eastern and western conference 🤦🏿♂️
They’ll never do that cuz the MLS is trash
@@ppo1502 la galaxy has better atmosphere then al premier leauge teams
That's never going happens ... MLS is franchise sports like the other US Sports leagues...
@@Conocimientoverdad2yea but the football is shit and the league is boring
Love it when ur so consistent bro 🎉❤
😂😂😂😂
American sports are so meaningless. There is no threat to defeat. You lose every game in the mls and you are still there next year. Pointless and boring.
American sports = money. I agree that not having a promotion/relegation is not that great BUT there is still money to be made. Maybe later on the format changes but for now it needs to be this way in order for investors to be drawn in......MLS started with 12 teams now almost 30...just wait and see.
@@NahSonUrGood except that it’s not just the MLS it’s all major American sports.
Well I don’t pay that close attention to the MLS but I’m a huge hockey fan. There is a lot of excitement in sports here, for example fighting for a playoff spot, and winning the cup in the playoffs. Every match does matter, just in a different way
Ah yes, the same 3-4 teams winning the league is SOOOO fun 🙄
They're trying to fix that by adding more and more teams. Soon enough we'll have about 32-36 teams. Once that happens you can split the league into 2 and make regulation and promotion battles.
He is so awesome ❤
The American football is growing and growing and it makes me proud as an Argentinian
Nobody gives 2 shits about Argentina😂😂😂
Soccer
@@ivanl6012 Futbol
@@Pako_equis soccer in the us tho football is NFL
@@ivanl6012 No thats eggball
great decision, Bournemouth is still a better team in terms of history and presence than the MLS combined
Bournemouth aint winning shit in the future and their "history" is the only they can sell you on because European football is fundamentally flawed compared to the American sports leagues. With proper management, a good scouting department and some luck, San Diego might win the MLS title a few years after its inception. Bournemouth? Might make a good buck from the young talent it sells to Man City or Liverpool. But go on about your tradition. Las Vegas just won a cup 6 years after its NHL club was formed. Thats what every league should aspire to
San Diego needed a top tier sports team, especially after the Chargers left.
Same as someone that lives in Sd its pretty sad how we have literally have like no teams. Meanwhile La has 2 teams for each fucking sport.
LA has 13 teams and SD has the Padres
The 6th biggest city in America needs soccer
I call them the chokers for a reason
Well San Diego does have an indoor/arena soccer franchise that plays a 6 a side version of the game in a lower level arena soccer league. I've supported them since 1985. Great Game and very successful franchise in San Diego.
Yessir. San Diego deserves this.
Yessirrrr love this, now all we need is a basketball and football team
@@thaddeusyuhas5571clippers and chargers should move back to San Diego imo.
I don't think San Diego does deserve it.
1. The fan bases of San Diego are disinterested and apathetic.
2. The SD franchise is subservient to San Diego State University. It's their stadium and the MLS team will be paying tenants. For a primary football stadium with SDSU branding. This breaks with the MLS model. No revenue streams coming in from the stadium, just rent going out. And SDSU sucks.
@@JT-rx1eo now say it without crying
@@beforedawn1131 no, they can stay where they're at but any other team are welcomed.
In Europe your Team has to perform well 😂
And in America people have a life.
Until you get killed by an 55 year 400 pounds transgender cause you said: sorry sir.
@@AbpedmOnot much room for life when you need two jobs to pay rent
And in America you get paid for playoff wins
It’s the same shit but better
Nobody cares about Manchester or Newcastle and nobody in England has won any international championship unlike the US
@@AbpedmOno they don’t. In America people work themselves to death with poor employment laws, no free healthcare and school shooters. No one is living in America, they are waiting to die. Europeans know how to live life
Hopefully Michigan will have a MLS team
DETROIT CITY LEZ GOOOOOOOOOO
Probably Not
I live in San Diego, i think the stadium will be shared with SDSU. They both fought for that stadium that used to belong to the San Diego Chargers before they left to LA
Snap 🐉
They better fill that stadium.up.
I wish Wisconsin had a MLS team
forward Madison???
Well just support my team MN United
@@Black-Peter I do
@@toiky9476 forward Madison isn't MLS, or even second division, it's USL1, the third division. The second division, USL Championship, is getting a Milwaukee team in 2025
Unlike mls , in england you have to work to be in a league
It’s cause we don’t got promotion/Relegation
That sucks
Unlike in England, teams don’t only win because they are richer then the other in mls
@@rocketje_bs literally the opposite, and if you think the prem is only won by rich teams then could you answer me this question, who won the league in the 2015/16 season?
@@OpBerlin Leicester. The fact you talk about prove my point. You talk about them since it’s the only exception in a long time…
This is why mls isn’t that competitive, no teams are worried about being relegated and yet they have so many teams already.
Those Mexicans in San Diego, CA and in Tijuana,Mexico will definitely support them.
Foley probably invested and not pay for expansion because he had already spent $500M in expansion fees to the NHL in 16/17 to get the Golden Knights
Man I love MLS, I love Soccer. More teams to play 💯⚽️
@261i7 The argument over the name of the sport is utterly stupid. Neither names are wrong, they both reference the name of the sport. People will obviously take your word instead but I still made my point.
MLS SHOULD CAP IT AT 36 TEAMS AND EACH TEAM SHOULD HAVE FARM TEAM TOO. IN SMALL/ MEDIUM MARKETS FOR FANS TO BUILD AN AWESOME SUPPORT FANDOM.
They will and they do😂
The fan support is higher than any other league
Every stadium has 90 minutes of singing and drumming and new chants invented each season
32 Is probably goal for 2030 I think they will wait for other league expand first
Tbh I think it’s cool that the United States is at least trying to build a decent football league
Its all money driven, its lacking promotion and relegation. Most of the games in a season are literally meaningless.
@@fingmoron that’s why I said trying the more attention it gets online more likely it is so get proper funding and a actually decent league will relegation battles multiple different leagues and some cool chants and stuff can eventually happen
Relegation will never happen. The teams already bought in so they’re never going to accept the possibility of being sent down. The league is designed to survive in an environment that was hostile to soccer. Before MLS the teams would be formed when soccer was popular then go bankrupt in 5 years once people in that town lost interest. MLS figured out that if they all shared revenue in a single league they’d be able to grow without risk of going under. So it attracted more investment because it was seen as less risk. Now that soccer is popular the flip side is happening where now the league is having trouble establishing teams because of the high up front costs.
MLS and US Soccer prefers a small captive audience that spends more money rather than a large audience that spends less. They really aren’t interested in getting soccer to every corner of the country.
@@fingmoron”All money driven” 😂 And European leagues aren’t? In Europe all the best players go to the club with the most money. In the US players are fairly drafted, the worst teams get the best players to make the league more fair. Players are also traded rather than bought. Don’t speak on things you know nothing about 🤡
@@fingmoronit has promotion just no relegation because it’s only been around since 1994
Relegation won't be popular with owners for a few reasons. One the massive investment / buy in of entering the league only to risk losing it, two the bone dry earnings of the USL, and three they would certainly need to implement a profit sharing scheme like that used in England (relegated teams get a few years of the revenue they would have gotten in the premier league 60%, 40%, then 30% of what last place gets or something like that.
I personally think the MLS needs to keep growing its revenues, then only start letting teams buy into the USL and implement some limited promotion / relegation and profit sharing to help lift up the USL.
The should probably focus on filling the stadiums full of fans before expanding more. 3/4 of the games I watch the stadiums are half empty.
MLS can actually be a different sports league in North America. Unlike other leagues like the MLB and NBA, teams that own second teams/g league teams. The mls can either gain more teams and expand or be stuck in the loop that is the draft.
The mlb already have that mls next pro
How much did St. Louis cost
year 2050: MLS will be adding the 100th team to the league lmao
Or maybe follow the NBA format, 15 on the West coast vs 15 on the East coast. Winners of each conference meet in the finals….cause I don’t see MLS developing a relegation battle format, especially since I don’t seem them working with the NASL anytime soon 👀
They do that already but with 14 on west soon to be 15
The reason they worth so much is because there is no risk involved
exactly its basically an infinite profitable and 0 risk money hack
why is there no risk?
@@julianmontoya8660 cant get relegated= garaunteed MLS TV rights....
@@bigt6665 oh i see thx
That is why Americans football will nevEr be better than any football. This game isn’t about money, it’s about passion
Meanwhile teams in European league winning solely because they are getting fed money from billionaires in the gulf states. Money has never directly equaled success in the US for any sport
@@metrofilmer8894 ON POINT 👏
@@metrofilmer8894 mean while teams in MLS stinking up the gaff get 0 consequence for being bad while one in the prem will be fighting for their lives
This is a braindead take
European football is solely about money
American sports in a nutshell:
Step 1: Play sh*t for a year or three.
Step 2: Reap the benefits of coming in dead last, such as receiving a first round draft pick.
Step 3: Build a supersquad.
No relegation means no incentive to perform, especially when throwing away years will lead to having an advantageous position with regards to draftpicks. Sure, there's almost never a fully dominant team for a longer period of time - unless you have a group that is insanely busted with talent (Brady's Patriots, Curry's Warriors).
It’s much better then to have the same rich dominant power for decades and the rest league full of weak poor clubs
@@sethjohnson8222 Because America is always better? Wut?
The big difference with Europe and US is that there's roughly about 30 franchises for each sport across the entire US. This would in Europe only translate to the Champions League for football. Where the big teams clash and there's plenty of good matches there. Yes, on a national level, the bigger clubs usually stay on top, but then you have upsets like a three way title fight in England, Leverkusen in Germany, last seasons Italian champion Napoli ending up somewhere 8th, 9th or 10th or Dutch side Ajax having a paultry season. So what you're saying only holds true to a degree. There are so many clubs that there's much more to enjoy.
But let me now delve into how it's funny that the American sportsystem is probably the most unamerican-thing there is though, especially compared to sports in all other parts of the world. I mean isn't part of the American Dream that working hard pays in the long run and should be enjoyed and celebrated? I mean that's the capitalist viewpoint on which America was built.
But, looking at how the drafts work, I'd even go as far as saying that the American Sports tradition is very communistic in its approach to talent and budgets. Whereas you're now criticizing the European bigger clubs for just that.
in the USA u just need money, in England u have to start from nations league south/north and then work ur way up
Makes Lutons journey even crazier
Bro man city win the title every year, it’s not about hard work. How do you explain wrexhams rise just hard work right no big $ investment. Newcastle bought by Saudi elite a year or two later their in champions league. Just a coincidence based on hard work right? There’s is so much more disparity of champions in American club sports. I can name 12 clubs in England prem that have no chance of finishing top 4 doesn’t matter how hard they work bigger clubs are way richer and outspend them that’s why man United and Liverpool are toward the top of the table every single year. Nottingham could work a billion times harder than city next year. City will still win the league….
Crazy part no watching MLS. They are all watching European Football
Attendance is going up 📶 nothing better than watching your city team play live
The modern MLS has similar crowds to that of Ligue 1, in France.
And yet it’s still a top 10 league in the world when it comes to attendance
@@metrofilmer8894 to be fair though raw attendance isn't exactly a shocker. America has the population of like half of Europe
@@peltimies2469 USA pop - 331 million
France pop - 67 million
The rate tells the tale
Vegas local here ! we wanted an MLS team !😭
Vegas isn’t known for soccer. It’s just a overrated party city. San Diego is a soccer city do your research.
@@AK-rv2qu San Diego is more baseball team than soccer and Las Vegas has a lot of soccer fans ! Do your research 👹
Where would they play?
@@AK-rv2quit wasn't known for hockey Either
Sacramento needs a MLS team ngl, as a Sacramento Republic fan, Republic needs to be MLS abut if it wasn’t for the Pittsburgh Penguins owner, we would’ve been MLS.
Comparing the MLS to the Premier League is just silly there's no comparison there's levels and here in the U.S. we can only wish to be up there
So I’m from San Diego and we were supposed to get one in 1996. Long story short, the deal fell through and it’s been in and out talks between stadium owners and mls for a long time. I can tell you there is a lot of excitement for this team but half a billion dollars is way to much for a team. I do believe relegation and promotion would bring mls to the next level
It feels like the MLS is a ponzi scheme it's unreal
well for now it wont happen since the MLS compared to top soccer leagues in the world was created recently so i think they need to expand more and get things ready as well as more organized b4 it can happen, half a million dollars is wild as well.
If they had relegation, no one would have bought the san diego team,they might have gone down after their first yr, and then get stuck in usl for 3-5 yrs , , that might be a deathknell for any new team,
The Drake song is sending me good vid tho
I think the MLS should adopt the same concept as the Premier or La Liga . At me myself I would be in love if teams in the MLS go to second division and others teams from the second division go to the Pro league.
Everyone here seems to want promotion and relegation. You find that in every other league on earth, so don’t let me stop you from supporting those leagues. But look around the world… the traditional model leads to 1-3 teams from the largest cities winning every single year for your entire life. The US system of a set top league pared with strong salary caps brings parity and gives smaller markets not only the ability to stay in the league but to compete to win it. Stay unique in the world MLS. It will keep paying off over the long run.
Get 10 more teams, 20 teams in MLS top tier and 20 teams in a second league
Soccer isn’t that popular here , fans won’t care for a 2nd tier league, the teams are competing against NBA NFL and MLB
@@moonman9450yeah fr, MLS is trying to grow soccer and if a team gets relegated all the fans will just go back to watching basketball (American) football hockey baseball etc. Relegation works when that's a towns identity and its one of the most popular sports. soccer's in 5th place for sports in the us currently
@@Jack-sq6xb having closer ties to fans through relegation and promotion will help that all american sports team are just weird hollow corporate shells right now, no reason to feel tied to them.
Never going to happen because is a sports franchise league competition like other US Sports like MLB, NFL,NBA or NHL...⚽
@@Jack-sq6xbidea still watch the sounders
Thats crazy 🤯
Finally another sports team for San Diego
as an american, expand to 32 teams and divide into an A league and a B league, each with 16 teams, and use promotion and relegation
Almost every sports team from the USA irrespective of any sports are blindly overvalued.
Nfl is the richest sports league in the world. No, way are they overvalued
@@kyemerchant5455 because it is a closed league... 0 risk of losing ur money cos if u do bad then u get to pick the next big up and coming player meaning eventually u will be the best again securing a time where the club will have secure income, trophies etc... if a team does bad in the prem and get related they will have to cut wages (unhappy players),sell high earners and star players for cheap losing out on money (adams, maddison, rodrigo etc), lose about 500 million in TV right money, change the spnosers (loosing more money), often times if the club has too many big names with high wages and get related they will go into financial turmoil declaring bankruptcy, sanctions and unhappy fans calling the owners to leave which forces u to sell the club cheaply losing more personal money (derby county, luton, bolton, sunderland etc)
@bigt6665 sure but it's also the most popular sport in the richest country in the world. It just makes sense. Besides even the MLB and nba make more in a year than the epl. Relegation wouldn't work in the NFL either cause teams will often go from one of the worst teams to the superbowl in one year.
As a San Diegan I see this as a big chance for me and my teammates to get potential scoutings, but it will also be nice to have a big football hub in my area
If the MLS can keep expanding, then a 2-tier pro/rel system is possible. Soccer/football will never get to the level found in Europe with 10+ tiers, but the MLS + USL could be enough for a 2 or 3 tier system which would allow some pretty awesome pro/rel battles.
I love how when Saudi Arabia bought Ronaldo it is 20% of Messi entire team
Mls is going too crazy, too quick
Whats wrong with that? Popularity is growing a shitton
@@yesd2024 I'm just saying 🫤
Reminds me of what they did back in the 70s with their league (soccer ain't new in USA) and we all know how that ended.
@@dagosegovia843good point. It's like a gold rush in the mls now. Everyone is hungry for a piece of the pie
So? 😂
The MLS has no relegation, they have a Draft and they also have playoffs. It makes no sense
I mean every other US sport has those so it makes sense. US sports are built around parity in both competition and profit (revenue sharing, etc.) It really makes sense from a business perspectivem
playoffs good.
People forget the league is split into east and west and 30 is alot but that's only 15 in each conference. The US is just geographically much much larger than the UK, Spain, etc so in practice it's pretty functional. I know people want pro rel but realistically it won't happen. I'm all for it don't get me wrong but as of right now with how the mls is still trying to popularize pro soccer in the US, it would be absolute chaos trying to prep most second division teams for mls and some mls teams would absolutely collapse if they were relegated. The infrastructure just doesn't exist consistently accross the board. That and statistically pro rel doesn't have the effect on competition that most people believe it does anyway. Generally the best players go to the best teams who never have to worry and the worst players end up on the teams that do have to worry. That's not exactly a recipe for improving the competition (at least in the 1st division) as much as it is for a chaotic scramble at the end of the season. Which I agree would be exciting.
Charlotte paid that much to get their asses whooped all season long?? 💀 robbery in broad day LMAO
MLS is a very under rated league
HAHAHAHA NO
No
Come on…they need 5 more teams to water down the talent even more?
I watched Charlotte f.c last game
this league will never have clubs with story of "Leicester" or "union"
Imagine they add teams with cities that have over 100k population
It shouldn’t cost a half a billion to join a league that shit is crazy
Specially a shit league like mls 😂
with the revenue it generates and how it's on the rise it makes sense.
Seems the perfect time to split into 2 tiered leagues of 15 teams each, introduce promotion and relegation and catch up with the rest of the world
or use the USL
Tbf in the rest of the world players dont have to travel 6 hours for a game
That will never happen in the US.
The American sports model has always been about business. They will never risk the investment with relegation. NFL, MLB, and all the rest of them are run in such American ideas.
@@yannickdellaert1616tell that to Brazilians with a country as large as theirs, yet they manage to make it work with relegation and produce the best players in the world at the same time.
Nobody would watch the second tier. You don’t understand that the MLS can support 30 teams instead of 20 because the US population is higher
Just having one league where no teams are fighting for relegation, no americas tournaments, is a borefest. If they change the format, it'll be a little more interesting.
How
20 is too many. Maybe it’s not sustainable but my favorite MLS was when every team played every team once, those in their conference twice, and maybe their rivals three times.
People talk about relegation but i think in a 32 team league with a healthy farming leagues you don't need relegation. The MLS is doing things right.
nah the games are boring players have no incentive to overachieve it will always be a retirement legue winning the league is like being the toughest kid in 5th grade
You are too Americanized, you won’t get it.
@@Se7enLuckyslevinyou don't even watch MLS games 😂
Holy 😂 I’m from sd this gon b crazy 😮😅
They been just skipping over sac for so long it actually pisses me off
Unwise decision by MLS to award SD as 30th team. We shall see by how SD will be viable MLS team. There are other North America cities to award an MLS franchise.
It's automatically the second biggest team in the city, after the padres,, , they will draw over 25k a game,
Mukhtar best in mls
Hes a boss fr
If they use the new toy stadium instead of building a legit one, that'll be a complete joke.
It’s a nice stadium tf u talking about?
@@ccdxdhk1575 give me a break, I've seen better highschool stadiums
@@tinchothegreat3743 You're talking about Snap Dragon? It's a nice open concept stadium. You just sound like a snot nosed brat tbh
Idk IMO, Vegas would be a perfect place for an MLS team. Just rent from the raiders, that’s the perfect stadium for football of all types! 😂
Indy 11 is probably gonna get promoted to the mls soon
IF they buy a MLS Franchise not by promotion...⚽
Yeah
As a san deigsn and a religiously supportive football (or soccer) fan I am so excited for this
Lets go san deigsn!!!
Will it be San Diego loyal sc? They would deserve it
Hockey Vegas is in the Stanley Cup Final :)
Now that they have 30 teams it would be very cool if they adopted the system they have in Europe.
For example have one season where the 30 teams compete. Then on the following season the 15 teams that did worst would be regulated into a second division league. From there continue with the traditional format.
Yeah no. Promotion/relegation sucks. US leagues are much more fair than European leagues. Instead of all the best players being bought up by the 4 teams with the most money, the teams are created to be more equal in skill level. In the US, the best young players are drafted to the worst pro teams to even the playing field. Also the US can host way more teams than a European country because the US has a higher population
@@michaeltnk1135I love the idea of pro/reg but it’s “not good for profit”. It would be cool if it was a pro/reg league with the top 4 in each conference to square off in a playoff.
@@t0ph4t1 No, top 16 team playoffs is way more interesting
@@t0ph4t1who getting relegated there all the team will play next season unless one folds
MLS needs relegation. Literally no major league takes US football seriously without it. How can MLS expect to attract fans from around the globe without it.
They aren’t trying to attract global fans yet , still focused on this country. Look at Mexican league they have a weird relegation too
Why would relegation be the sole factor in “attracting fans around the globe”?
And are you sure no major league takes the MLS seriously? Theres been quite a few players that came up through the MLS such as Miguel Almiron (who won POTM in the premier league) Jack Harrison (who was Leeds star man), as well as Alphonso Davies, Tyler Adams, and Zack Steffen,
@@yesd2024 players aren’t the league lol. Son is a great player, do people think the South Korean league is amazing? And yes, relegation would actually make the rest of the world look at the MLS and go “oh now it’s a proper football league”.
@@c.l.visions2581 dont you think if people never took the mls seriously, they wouldn’t be playing for these top leagues?
Also Heung-Min Son never played professionally in South Korea 💀
Not to mention, the MLS is already the 2nd biggest league in all of the americas right behind Brazil, and gets a shit ton of latin american prospects coming such as Facundo Torres and Ezequiel Barco
MLS needs to incorporate relegation and promotion if it wants to be taken seriously
Will never happen. NBA, nfl, nhl, mlb don't have it and mls won't have it either. Owners can't handle the financial failure of being relegated in the states nor want that.
@@hostility3404too bad. That's how the game is played.
@@SantomPh not in America bro so too bad for you. Did you not just read the leagues that don't do it? They're all in America. Hence it will never happen.
@@SantomPh for example Miami is in last place right now. Do you think Messi will stick around to play in the USL next season? Probably not.
@@hostility3404plus, all of the leagues you mentioned, have been successful without pro/rel for over 60+ years and continue to bring in the best players in the world every season.
Sac republic was going to become an MLS team until Covid hit and the investor pulled out. ever since it’s been about 3.5 years 😢
Don’t forget the inflation, that add greatly to this and it might make it way more plausible.
Imagine a relegation/promotion system between MLS and USL. That would be dope to watch. We would be getting crazy underdog stories like Leicester. Unfortunately that won't happen tho because MLS owners are only going to care about money.
I agree. With pro/rel, teams lower in the MLS will work harder and teams higher in the USL will work even more hard.
Until they have promotion and relegation to have proper competition the rest of the world won't care about this franchise shit
you can't have a promotion based league in what is the 5th most popular league in the US, and the gap between 4 and 5 is huge. Investments are too big and the country is geographically too big to have relegation, it would be the death of a lot of teams if they went down to a 2nd league and stayed there because people from that area would just watch one of the 4 larger sports.
It's not needed, just look at the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB. Most of these leagues from their perspective sport have been around for 60+ years and still going strong without pro/rel.
Just because they cost that much doesn't mean they're worth that much
The MLS will be the #1 league in the world by far if it becomes the most popular sport in the USA. The differences between Saudi and China is it is self sustainable. 30 clubs all bringing in more revenue than Arsenal. Saudi and China were/are artificially funded and will collapse as soon as that funding stops
So they’ll never add relegation. Teams that spend 450m to just enter the league will never allow it. They don’t care about quality it’s all about money and adds
Rsl is the best I’m from Utah
Same
We not been doing to good this season
Go real
i think they should do a leauge so when players retire they go into that legue so we can still watch retired people play
Sac Republic should be in MLS
This is franchising, the high price tags are just set by the league because they control everything, because of no relegation. Awful format for fans and for quality of football, great for money
That's the thing with closed corporate leagues. And yes, even the league is a company as opposed to an actual association of clubs.
I like it
America always needs to ruin sports
MLS is one big club with 30 teams and stadiums. It's the largest single club in the world. This is difficult to grasp from a foreign perspective but we are used to this format here.
I’m surprise baseball star Manny Machado’s gonna be a co-owner
The absence of pro/rel in the US plus Canada is Absolutely the path to dominance at the very highest level, and I truly hope that some country or group of countries in Europe will one day decide to take the American model and run with it. It would probably have to be a group of countries, but this model does give you better success over time.
Dont try to change futbol competition with your american ideas, keep franchise model just in usa
Ah yes because the English are so good at winning world cups 😂
Waste of time mls league
Its going to be 32 just like all their other leagues like NFL & NHL. 16 per conference.
I don’t like the league system there.
But it would be interesting if they would integrate also a second and third league with relocations and stuff
we need promotion relegation
Still a irrelevant league😂😂
for you maybe, clearly there is money to be made for others. Therefore investments are coming in fast and hard. These investors are coming from all over the world. The US has the biggest sporting market in the world. Just wait and see.
@@NahSonUrGood MLS = Money League Soccer😭
@@NahSonUrGood The American market just loves watching 40 minutes of ads and 10 minutes of actual action, that's the only real reason people invest in American sports.
After that there is nothing interesting happening, an irrelevant league in wich everyone is secured to never suffer and overall never win anything impressive, or in other words, "actually boring".
@@rockstepguy3524but it's basically the same three teams or less in the European leagues, now that's boring,,
They should make 2 leagues MLS and MLS 2 and you could do 15 on 15 for each league since the current teams are 30
They could actually get more teams because there is the whole USL Championship, USL League One, and NISA they could integrate into a multiple-tiered relegation system. That could put all major US soccer clubs at 75! But no…😢
The MLS would actually be worth looking at if it had promotion relagation.
It is still worth watching what do you mean you don’t need Relegation and all that