That was a ton of fun. Really enjoyed being apart of this. Was a bit nervous, got my east and west mixed up. LOL Thanks for having me on Dan, really appreciate it.
To add to Josh's comment about being proficient... From my short experience in aviation, most new pilots who don't train in a busy airport, typically avoid controlled airport if possible. ATC is often looked at as "big brother" and that they are looking to simply get you in trouble. This makes us all lazy complacent. My best advice - do what's uncomfortable. Do what you are aren't comfortable with and if need be under the supervision of an instructor. We MUST constantly strive to be better even if it makes us a little uneasy. Great episode. Thanks for the solid content! -Sean
A good friend of mine was a corporate pilot and in his Southern Drawl His response was"Ya'll are talking faster then I can write!" The Controller came back nice and slow! Everyone keyed and laughed! But it sure did slow them down!
I heard a guy at a seminar say this. He called for his clearance, the controller fired it out rather quickly, he didn't get it all and asked again. The controller fired it out again. He still didn't get all of it. At that point he asked the controller if any of what he was saying was important, the controller said of course it is, its your clearance! He said , then why don't you read it like its important.
Just posted my 1st Cass B airport takeoff (Houston Hobby), not as bad as I thought it would, but I did have some help. But now I feel comfortable with it!
I'm learning to fly at KWHP in the Los Angeles area. I love learning in this complex airspace. When I'm done I won't be afraid to go anywhere or talk to anyone.
I've owned an airplane based out of DVT of close to 15 years, My hanger is about 50 yards from Carl. I have turned base a few times almost outside the airspace there were so many planes in the pattern. My best busy Saturday morning DVT story. It was so busy you are just looking for a place to say your tail number and request. I finally got a spot and he answered me so fast I thought I was stepping on someone. After the third call he answered me with my tail number ( so I was cleared into the airspace). That being said I'm not afraid to fly into any controlled airspace because of all my years flying in Phoenix. The controllers at all the airports do a great job and it is a lot of fun to take the Class Bravo transition right over the city. It's safer than skirting around under the Class Bravo IMHO. Fly safe!!
When I soloed out of Bartow (KBOW) on my third time around I was #2 behind a Stearman and the controller asked if I had him in sight I replied negative and he immediately told me he had popped smoke and asked if I saw him now, still negative he kinda laughed and told me he would call my base. After landing I parked next to the Stearman and reported to the tower I had him in sight. Love that Airport, good history and the best controllers.
Here in Australia (Moorabbin) they produce a PDF book called the "basin guide" which covers all the frequencies and how the different approaches into the local Class D airport is done.
Hey Dan great Episode, thanks to Josh and Carl for their insights. I did my PPL at Addison, so I guess flying at a controlled airport was no big deal for me, we would fly to McKinney or Mesquite to do pattern work, at that time both of these airports were un-towered, I know that they are towered today. I guess I was a bit like Carl, a little more nervous flying at these uncontrolled fields.
@@TakingOff What’s to be scared of, very dense urban area, tall buildings and no where to go if engine out on take off or final. Must have total faith in your plane and mechanic. Yeah ADS is a very scary place to fly in or out of.
I rode in a Cesna one time a lot of years ago as a child they were doing ride alongs. I can't remember the year but I was born and raised in the Valley. Lived in several places all over Phoenix growing up. There are allot of memories there. @Flywiththeguys
Very good discussion! I got my PPL finished at Addison when Centerline Rental was there. I figured I would jump right in the fire, so controlled airspace would be familiar! Glad I did that.
Another great episode Dan. I am learning at a un-towered airport and its like junior high school on the radio. Haha! My first lesson was in Torrance Ca. Much more serious airspace:-) I am thinking that learning at a towered airport is much better preparation. My cross country will be to a towered airport and now I feel somewhat behind on the radio skills.
Ha - I said unable on my private pilot check ride at KMMU, a super busy airport as well! Cessna was on a 1.5 mi final, the controller gave me the clearance with a no delay request. When I said unable, they said "Are you sure? You can take it on the roll if you like." And I repeated unable. You learn with practice what to expect when you hear that someone's on a 1.5 mi final, but in the moment it felt tight so I just didn't do it. 🤷🏽♂️
Who says your phone isn’t spying on you? I must have said “Cardinal” a week or so ago because the right side of my UA-cam screen has been popping up with 177 videos. Then Carl brings them up here. I had an experience similar to his, the first time I drove a 177 20+ years ago. A Cessna with a stabilator and a different wing - They do not handle like a Skyhawk. Takes a lighter touch. And speed on landing is more of a thing because I recall they have a tendency to float... into the next zip code if you’re too fast. Just took getting used to - I really liked that airplane for the short time I had access to it. Great interview, as always. You and your crew do quality work, Dan. Oh yeah, that Josh guy is kinda cool too. :D
Dan - I fly out of an untowered airfield under the a class Bravo. The mix of communications has been interesting and difficult at times. I’ve been told more often than not to stay outside the bravo airspace - which in our case means under. It does make sense to monitor CVG approach, so that you can get a picture of what going on and around the area.
In my area the busiest GA airport is not towered single 3600*60ft runway and has more operations than the nearest 3 class D airports put together. Being untowered it doesn't have operations stats, and even if it did winter weather would prevent the sort of yearly volume found at Deer Valley; but still good practice for students learning fly eyes out. (In good weather one or more operations per minute is not uncommon, 20 per hour feels about an average day.)
If you don't fly professionally and don't have the money perhaps to spend on training or recreational flying, I always recommend PilotEdge, smash every rating, fse, plan and fly it like real life. Good stuff to keep you sharp for next to nothing (If you have a decent pc).
Now you are going to make me look up how many operations KADS had this yes and last year. True story, My CFI Jeff Wallach and a student sat on the tarmac .9 on the hobbs and never got takeoff clearance last week.
One thing I will do is ask for progressive taxi. Lets me get my head back in the cockpit and one less thing I need to worry about. Especially at those busy or unfamiliar airports.
For those of us in flyover country, I'd suggest another approach. Learn to fly in a tailwheel aircraft at an untowered field. Learn to aviate, then navigate, after which you can fly to a busy airport and learn to communicate. I remember my first flight into a towered regional airport in a Luscombe 8F with my instructor, who hated the radios and had me do all the calls. It went fine. Comin ginto land, the tower asked me to expedite for traffic behind us and I replied, "I'm pedalling as fast as I can". Got a chuckle out of the tower.
Student Pilot ATC...the CFI should brief / educate the Student Pilot with proper procedures, plus a big one would be to pay attention to ongoing ATC communications.
From an air traffic controller and a private pilot, best device for getting comfortable with talking to ATC is get off the script as soon as possible. Yes there are certain words we want to hear and a most efficient way to say them, but you will learn that be either A) getting a tower tour (they are easy to get in non-COVID times) or B) listen to live ATC of your tower or similar ones. This scripts are ok the first time or two, but they are a total crutch no we can ways tell who is trying to read off of something.
That was a ton of fun. Really enjoyed being apart of this. Was a bit nervous, got my east and west mixed up. LOL Thanks for having me on Dan, really appreciate it.
It was a blast!
To add to Josh's comment about being proficient... From my short experience in aviation, most new pilots who don't train in a busy airport, typically avoid controlled airport if possible. ATC is often looked at as "big brother" and that they are looking to simply get you in trouble. This makes us all lazy complacent. My best advice - do what's uncomfortable. Do what you are aren't comfortable with and if need be under the supervision of an instructor. We MUST constantly strive to be better even if it makes us a little uneasy. Great episode. Thanks for the solid content! -Sean
A good friend of mine was a corporate pilot and in his Southern Drawl His response was"Ya'll are talking faster then I can write!" The Controller came back nice and slow! Everyone keyed and laughed! But it sure did slow them down!
I heard a guy at a seminar say this. He called for his clearance, the controller fired it out rather quickly, he didn't get it all and asked again. The controller fired it out again. He still didn't get all of it. At that point he asked the controller if any of what he was saying was important, the controller said of course it is, its your clearance! He said , then why don't you read it like its important.
Great interview gentleman. It's always humbling to learn from you. Keep up the good work.
Just posted my 1st Cass B airport takeoff (Houston Hobby), not as bad as I thought it would, but I did have some help. But now I feel comfortable with it!
Fun video. Certainly can relate having flown out of Deer Valley for over 20 years. Nice job guys. Really enjoy Carl’s Fly With The Guys channel.
I'm learning to fly at KWHP in the Los Angeles area. I love learning in this complex airspace. When I'm done I won't be afraid to go anywhere or talk to anyone.
Very true!
I've owned an airplane based out of DVT of close to 15 years, My hanger is about 50 yards from Carl. I have turned base a few times almost outside the airspace there were so many planes in the pattern. My best busy Saturday morning DVT story. It was so busy you are just looking for a place to say your tail number and request. I finally got a spot and he answered me so fast I thought I was stepping on someone. After the third call he answered me with my tail number ( so I was cleared into the airspace). That being said I'm not afraid to fly into any controlled airspace because of all my years flying in Phoenix. The controllers at all the airports do a great job and it is a lot of fun to take the Class Bravo transition right over the city. It's safer than skirting around under the Class Bravo IMHO. Fly safe!!
When I soloed out of Bartow (KBOW) on my third time around I was #2 behind a Stearman and the controller asked if I had him in sight I replied negative and he immediately told me he had popped smoke and asked if I saw him now, still negative he kinda laughed and told me he would call my base. After landing I parked next to the Stearman and reported to the tower I had him in sight. Love that Airport, good history and the best controllers.
Here in Australia (Moorabbin) they produce a PDF book called the "basin guide" which covers all the frequencies and how the different approaches into the local Class D airport is done.
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Hey Dan great Episode, thanks to Josh and Carl for their insights. I did my PPL at Addison, so I guess flying at a controlled airport was no big deal for me, we would fly to McKinney or Mesquite to do pattern work, at that time both of these airports were un-towered, I know that they are towered today. I guess I was a bit like Carl, a little more nervous flying at these uncontrolled fields.
ADS scares me.
@@TakingOff What’s to be scared of, very dense urban area, tall buildings and no where to go if engine out on take off or final. Must have total faith in your plane and mechanic. Yeah ADS is a very scary place to fly in or out of.
I rode in a Cesna one time a lot of years ago as a child they were doing ride alongs. I can't remember the year but I was born and raised in the Valley. Lived in several places all over Phoenix growing up. There are allot of memories there. @Flywiththeguys
Very good discussion! I got my PPL finished at Addison when Centerline Rental was there. I figured I would jump right in the fire, so controlled airspace would be familiar! Glad I did that.
ADS is certainly fire.
Another great episode Dan. I am learning at a un-towered airport and its like junior high school on the radio. Haha! My first lesson was in Torrance Ca. Much more serious airspace:-) I am thinking that learning at a towered airport is much better preparation. My cross country will be to a towered airport and now I feel somewhat behind on the radio skills.
I took my first and only flying lesson on a Saturday at Van Nuys airport that was enough for me
Ha - I said unable on my private pilot check ride at KMMU, a super busy airport as well! Cessna was on a 1.5 mi final, the controller gave me the clearance with a no delay request. When I said unable, they said "Are you sure? You can take it on the roll if you like." And I repeated unable. You learn with practice what to expect when you hear that someone's on a 1.5 mi final, but in the moment it felt tight so I just didn't do it. 🤷🏽♂️
Who says your phone isn’t spying on you? I must have said “Cardinal” a week or so ago because the right side of my UA-cam screen has been popping up with 177 videos. Then Carl brings them up here. I had an experience similar to his, the first time I drove a 177 20+ years ago. A Cessna with a stabilator and a different wing - They do not handle like a Skyhawk. Takes a lighter touch. And speed on landing is more of a thing because I recall they have a tendency to float... into the next zip code if you’re too fast. Just took getting used to - I really liked that airplane for the short time I had access to it. Great interview, as always. You and your crew do quality work, Dan. Oh yeah, that Josh guy is kinda cool too. :D
Dan - I fly out of an untowered airfield under the a class Bravo. The mix of communications has been interesting and difficult at times. I’ve been told more often than not to stay outside the bravo airspace - which in our case means under. It does make sense to monitor CVG approach, so that you can get a picture of what going on and around the area.
In my area the busiest GA airport is not towered single 3600*60ft runway and has more operations than the nearest 3 class D airports put together. Being untowered it doesn't have operations stats, and even if it did winter weather would prevent the sort of yearly volume found at Deer Valley; but still good practice for students learning fly eyes out.
(In good weather one or more operations per minute is not uncommon, 20 per hour feels about an average day.)
aeroguard flight training at deer valley has over 70 aircraft now
Diving into Charlie after uncontrolled...should be fun!
If you don't fly professionally and don't have the money perhaps to spend on training or recreational flying, I always recommend PilotEdge, smash every rating, fse, plan and fly it like real life. Good stuff to keep you sharp for next to nothing (If you have a decent pc).
Now you are going to make me look up how many operations KADS had this yes and last year. True story, My CFI Jeff Wallach and a student sat on the tarmac .9 on the hobbs and never got takeoff clearance last week.
One thing I will do is ask for progressive taxi. Lets me get my head back in the cockpit and one less thing I need to worry about. Especially at those busy or unfamiliar airports.
Dan, Do you have a Josh Pillow too??????
I’m hoping Bryan sends me one as a Christmas present.
For those of us in flyover country, I'd suggest another approach. Learn to fly in a tailwheel aircraft at an untowered field. Learn to aviate, then navigate, after which you can fly to a busy airport and learn to communicate. I remember my first flight into a towered regional airport in a Luscombe 8F with my instructor, who hated the radios and had me do all the calls. It went fine. Comin ginto land, the tower asked me to expedite for traffic behind us and I replied, "I'm pedalling as fast as I can". Got a chuckle out of the tower.
I trained at Falcon Field and was told it is the 4th busiest GA airport in the nation.
KGYR Baby. 😬😬
Student Pilot ATC...the CFI should brief / educate the Student Pilot with proper procedures, plus a big one would be to pay attention to ongoing ATC communications.
"We've always had ADS-B" as the airline pilots say, "What's that?"
Why is DVT so popular?
The Restaurant at Cutter!!!!!
Response to PHX ----> ENUNCIATE
Sorry but you left Montgomery Airport in San Diego.
aftw.org/ was establish for all the flight training going on and the increasing complexity of trying to find a place to practice.
From an air traffic controller and a private pilot, best device for getting comfortable with talking to ATC is get off the script as soon as possible. Yes there are certain words we want to hear and a most efficient way to say them, but you will learn that be either A) getting a tower tour (they are easy to get in non-COVID times) or B) listen to live ATC of your tower or similar ones. This scripts are ok the first time or two, but they are a total crutch no we can ways tell who is trying to read off of something.
Still not as busy as KVNY. Van Nuys is the busiest GA airport in the planet.
Better brush up on your Chenglish/Engrish if flying in the Phoenix area!