I've interviewed 20 of the world's top writers over the past six months. Here are the best lessons I've learned... 1. Tim Ferriss: Have a low bar for inputs, but a high bar for outputs. When Tim was writing The 4-Hour Work Week, his only rule for himself was to "write two crappy pages per day." That kept him at the keyboard on a daily basis. But his low bar for writing came with an exceptionally high bar for what he actually shared in public. 2. Kevin Kelly: Don't aim to be the best. Be the only. His writing is driven by the obsessive and unrestrained pursuit of his own curiosities. Whenever I'm with him, I get the sense that he's always fooling around and is somehow so aligned with his work that productive writing can't help but seep out of him. The output isn't forced though. He says: “Productivity is often a distraction. Don't aim for better ways to get through your tasks as quickly as possible. Instead, look for writing projects that you never want to stop doing.” 3. Cultural Tutor: If it was published in the past 50 years, don’t read it. The problem with new books isn't that they're bad. The problem is that everybody else is reading them, which doesn't give you much edge as a writer. 4. Marc Andreessen: Use a barbell approach to consume information. His method directly contradicts the Cultural Tutor's. He focuses on what's happening right now while also reading a lot of timeless material that was published 10+ years ago. The things he reads are either timely or timeless, with almost nothing in between. 5. Riva Tez: Writing is painting with words. Passion makes poets out of all of us. You don't need a thesaurus if you write with enough heart. When you care about what you're saying, the language comes out fresh. The formal and logical aspects of your writing need not overpower the soul and poetry. 6. Steven Pressfield: Care for the craft of writing. Steven had tried to send me a copy of his new book, The Daily Pressfield, but for a hodgepodge of reasons, I never received it. Insisting that I read it before recording the interview, he drove an hour each way to hand-deliver his book to me, introduce himself for 20 seconds, drive home, and drive right back the next day. He sent a digital copy, and he wouldn't use a day-of shipping service because it was "too important." 7. Tyler Cowen + Alex Tabarrok: The joy they bring to their work. You get the sense that they're drawing from a bottomless well of curiosity because they've found the work they're called to be doing. 20 years into their partnership, they still laugh like childhood best friends when they're together. 8. Ava Huang: Reaching Beyond Consensus To reach beyond consensus is to write something in a fresh and novel way that’s surprising and memorable. And it takes work. The ideas that initially come to mind for you when you're creating won't usually be the best ones, so dig and dig until you find something that surprises you as the writer, and in turn, surprises your reader too.
Αρχηγός! ❤ Thank you so much for this episode it is fantastic and gives me so much inspiration to invent things and write. This is only the second episode I watch on your channel but after this I am looking forward to listening to your podcasts with other writers. I will share with my friends! Congrats and keep going, αρχηγέ!
"You are a marvel. You are unique. In all the years that have passed, there has never been another child like you. Your legs, your arms, your clever fingers, the way you move. You may become a Shakespeare, a Michelangelo, a Beethoven. You have the capacity for anything." - Henry David Thoreau
"I find that the very things that I get criticized for, which is usually being different and just doing my own thing and just being original, is the very thing that's making me successful." - Shania Twain
@DavidPerellChannel David, it is no accident that you have the same middle name as the one and only Thoreau--you are a brilliant writer and a unique, cherished individual🙇🏻♀ Thank you for all your work🙏🏻 Have a blessed day, Andrea S.
Im absolutely enthralled with this channel, the guests and David. Everything about it is beautiful. The sound quality, the people, the unique perspectives, the studio, and David's calm and very present energy. Just nothing like it! You are the one!
46:49 Read that faucet idea in Ann Patchett's book on writing. Another analogy she uses is learning a musical instrument. You can't expect to sit down one day and be able to play like Yo Yo Ma. It takes continuous, repetitive, dedicated time and effort to practice and hone the craft.
Excellent work, thank you for reminding me that whatever adjective I put before "writer"-small, up-and-coming, unexperienced, sporadic-that it doesn't detract from the fact that I am a writer with a God given gift for the craft. Thank you for everything you do, and I look forward to the next eight lessons.
Awesome video David. Thanks for creating this channel and sharing these episodes. I've learned a ton, and have only been watching them for the last few days. So to say I'm hooked is an understatement. Big fan of your work, keep it up.
I loved this video. You curated your favourite excerpts from the interviews, and you added your thoughts and feelings to them. It was like reading a heavily annotated book. Enriching.
Thanks for your work David :) your energy tells a lot about you. I can feel you're really loving what you're doing and you deserve all the best. The podcast is incredible and you're one of the best interviewers in my opinion. And I watch a ton of different podcasts!! Keep going man 💪
Just found your podcast and I really appreciate it. If you ever want to talk to an anthropologist about worldbuilding me and/or my cowriter would be happy to chat.
I love the Riva advice but it's not very practical for most people to cancel plans like that! It is possible to do in your mind though, you can allow yourself to keep thinking of something that you're excited about and not stop
I enjoyed most of those interviews and learned something from them. But I have to ask: why would I listen to anyone who espouses the notion of paying no attention to works produced within the past fifty years? The arrogance of a writer who makes such a statement while implying that we should pay attention to his uttering is immense. His rationale is that if we read more current authors, then we are going to be (essentially) regurgitating that which is already written. Interestingly, he reserves to himself the judgement to distinguish between those things that are current but still worth writing about while the rest of us are relegated to the nether regions of less than analytical thought. I zoomed right past him.
I've interviewed 20 of the world's top writers over the past six months.
Here are the best lessons I've learned...
1. Tim Ferriss: Have a low bar for inputs, but a high bar for outputs.
When Tim was writing The 4-Hour Work Week, his only rule for himself was to "write two crappy pages per day." That kept him at the keyboard on a daily basis. But his low bar for writing came with an exceptionally high bar for what he actually shared in public.
2. Kevin Kelly: Don't aim to be the best. Be the only.
His writing is driven by the obsessive and unrestrained pursuit of his own curiosities. Whenever I'm with him, I get the sense that he's always fooling around and is somehow so aligned with his work that productive writing can't help but seep out of him. The output isn't forced though. He says: “Productivity is often a distraction. Don't aim for better ways to get through your tasks as quickly as possible. Instead, look for writing projects that you never want to stop doing.”
3. Cultural Tutor: If it was published in the past 50 years, don’t read it.
The problem with new books isn't that they're bad. The problem is that everybody else is reading them, which doesn't give you much edge as a writer.
4. Marc Andreessen: Use a barbell approach to consume information.
His method directly contradicts the Cultural Tutor's. He focuses on what's happening right now while also reading a lot of timeless material that was published 10+ years ago. The things he reads are either timely or timeless, with almost nothing in between.
5. Riva Tez: Writing is painting with words.
Passion makes poets out of all of us. You don't need a thesaurus if you write with enough heart. When you care about what you're saying, the language comes out fresh. The formal and logical aspects of your writing need not overpower the soul and poetry.
6. Steven Pressfield: Care for the craft of writing.
Steven had tried to send me a copy of his new book, The Daily Pressfield, but for a hodgepodge of reasons, I never received it. Insisting that I read it before recording the interview, he drove an hour each way to hand-deliver his book to me, introduce himself for 20 seconds, drive home, and drive right back the next day. He sent a digital copy, and he wouldn't use a day-of shipping service because it was "too important."
7. Tyler Cowen + Alex Tabarrok: The joy they bring to their work.
You get the sense that they're drawing from a bottomless well of curiosity because they've found the work they're called to be doing. 20 years into their partnership, they still laugh like childhood best friends when they're together.
8. Ava Huang: Reaching Beyond Consensus
To reach beyond consensus is to write something in a fresh and novel way that’s surprising and memorable. And it takes work. The ideas that initially come to mind for you when you're creating won't usually be the best ones, so dig and dig until you find something that surprises you as the writer, and in turn, surprises your reader too.
This is so good!
I actually struggle to understand how this content is available to us for free. Your work is greatly appreciated. Thank you, David.
Αρχηγός! ❤ Thank you so much for this episode it is fantastic and gives me so much inspiration to invent things and write. This is only the second episode I watch on your channel but after this I am looking forward to listening to your podcasts with other writers. I will share with my friends! Congrats and keep going, αρχηγέ!
"You are a marvel. You are unique. In all the years that have passed, there has never been another child like you. Your legs, your arms, your clever fingers, the way you move. You may become a Shakespeare, a Michelangelo, a Beethoven. You have the capacity for anything." - Henry David Thoreau
"I find that the very things that I get criticized for, which is usually being different and just doing my own thing and just being original, is the very thing that's making me successful." - Shania Twain
@joryiansmith I am the first one to agree. Thank you for your comment. Best wishes, Andrea S.
@DavidPerellChannel David, it is no accident that you have the same middle name as the one and only Thoreau--you are a brilliant writer and a unique, cherished individual🙇🏻♀ Thank you for all your work🙏🏻 Have a blessed day, Andrea S.
“Don’t aim to be the best. Be the only.” This idea just makes sense and liberates and empowers!
"let everything happen to you. Beauty or terror" - Rainer Maria Rilke
Deserves at least 100x the views. It'll come mate, keep it up. Standards are so high.
Im absolutely enthralled with this channel, the guests and David. Everything about it is beautiful. The sound quality, the people, the unique perspectives, the studio, and David's calm and very present energy. Just nothing like it! You are the one!
Came here and learned plenty. Thanks for sharing 🙂
46:49 Read that faucet idea in Ann Patchett's book on writing.
Another analogy she uses is learning a musical instrument.
You can't expect to sit down one day and be able to play like Yo Yo Ma.
It takes continuous, repetitive, dedicated time and effort to practice and hone the craft.
Excellent work, thank you for reminding me that whatever adjective I put before "writer"-small, up-and-coming, unexperienced, sporadic-that it doesn't detract from the fact that I am a writer with a God given gift for the craft. Thank you for everything you do, and I look forward to the next eight lessons.
Awesome video David. Thanks for creating this channel and sharing these episodes. I've learned a ton, and have only been watching them for the last few days. So to say I'm hooked is an understatement. Big fan of your work, keep it up.
I loved this video. You curated your favourite excerpts from the interviews, and you added your thoughts and feelings to them. It was like reading a heavily annotated book. Enriching.
There's sincerity and passion in your work. You are making a difference for sure. Thank you
Thanks for sharing your takeaways. I've been following along and our lists are pretty close! ✌🏻
Damn this podcast is so good. So many nuggets every single time! Great format, you added so much context.
Great episode David!🎉
Hey David! I really enjoyed listening to this your podcast. Thank you for sharing and motivating budding writers!👍
Thanks for your work David :) your energy tells a lot about you. I can feel you're really loving what you're doing and you deserve all the best. The podcast is incredible and you're one of the best interviewers in my opinion. And I watch a ton of different podcasts!! Keep going man 💪
Just found your podcast and I really appreciate it. If you ever want to talk to an anthropologist about worldbuilding me and/or my cowriter would be happy to chat.
Incredibly valuable, I’m only 9 minutes in and I can tell how wonderfully dense this episode is. Thank you 🙏🏽
Love seeing your journey and very thankful for you sharing these takeaways with us.
thank you! very good one!
Excited for this!
Great implementation similar to Ferris. Core Ideas summary crushed it.
Epic. 👏
If you like Reagan’s speeches maybe you could interview his speech writer- Peter Robinson at the Hoover Institute
Fabulous work!!👍👍👍👍😎
I love the Riva advice but it's not very practical for most people to cancel plans like that! It is possible to do in your mind though, you can allow yourself to keep thinking of something that you're excited about and not stop
any chance we can get seth godin on the show?
GOAT
what is quality bar?
I enjoyed most of those interviews and learned something from them. But I have to ask: why would I listen to anyone who espouses the notion of paying no attention to works produced within the past fifty years? The arrogance of a writer who makes such a statement while implying that we should pay attention to his uttering is immense. His rationale is that if we read more current authors, then we are going to be (essentially) regurgitating that which is already written. Interestingly, he reserves to himself the judgement to distinguish between those things that are current but still worth writing about while the rest of us are relegated to the nether regions of less than analytical thought. I zoomed right past him.