I wanna give a mention to Amaterasu, who despite being one of only 2 playable Warriors, is so behind the Mage Solos that teams are slotting her in the Jungle for the same reasons Erlang is being played.
What this tells me is that Breastplate of Determination was always a good item and the only reason people didn't use it before it got buffed then nerfed was because they just wanted to try the other new items.
This sort of thing always happens which is why everyone shouldn’t take any meta build or gods as static. Tank Kuang was a thing for years and even stronger before it became mainstream. Same with other picks like support Serqet. It’s why it’s frustrating to talk about smite with people that don’t investigate the game beyond only playing the top 2-3 gods in the current patch.
Nah it's because glad shield got nerfed into the ground, which basically pushed every warrior out the meta since that one of their major sources of damage.
Been having a lot of good times with Kuzenbo in the solo currently, building Sundering Axe, Glad Shield and full tank. Feels like he can 1v1 most gods late game
My man 💪 Kuzen is Goated. Also if u ever wanna get wild with it try out Alternate Timeline and Pidwen/brreasplate then Chronos/bauble and Fire blink 2 dmg dealers end game an watch the team fall apart...or take 40+ seconds to chase down to kill ye...Godforbid ur Ult comes back by tht time😈 🤣🤣
It was no surprise that determination harmed warriors more than helped. The magic protection stack nerf ended up compensating the Pythagoram nerf and now warrior solos are officially extinct. Yeah you can play warrior solo, but expect them very far in between. That knockup immune nerf on her 1 literally scared her out of the jungle and tsyukomi is doing better now with it returning to his 2 Glad to see the atlas buffs doing a lot more and gonna need to brush off the rust All in all... all i see is that conquest became arena with both depending who hits the hardest with 2 mage lanes and playing a game of dodgeball.
@yoursexycookie didn't say he was meta, but he was better than he was before. Welp best you get use to it because mage solos are gonna be here for awhile.
Ah Puch is op in solo rn. He just counters everything. He has good waveclear, tank, counters healing, can self-heal for a percentage, has Essentially infinite mana, high burst damage, extremely far range and an ult that lets him get free damage. He is busted man, basically nobody counters him ;/
@@symblur7463 in mid he was a sleeper pick, he was still good in solo, but now because of the buffs to solo mage he blew up. It would be the same as changing terra to have her ult be 10% instead of 3%
I never would have thought that Rat is a better jungler than the likes of Thanatos and Ao Guang. It would be great though because he's my Main - not because people consider him a good jungler but because I like Squirrels as well as Rat's gameplay. ^^
Honestly recently seen a couple of people saying what could be done to fix warriors one was the heal on glad shield should be back, Honestly i agree but it should be adjusted so its not a 1 meta item so maybe like a glyph that does it and berserkers get a shogun like passive 😊
If u wanna counter ah puch in solo, play Anubis, it’s over once he hits level 5 and he’s wayyyy more op late game if you have feel, and even if I don’t just wrap, 3 and ult. Pretty much a free kill every minute
Ngl been trying maman mid and its fun dont get me wrong when you get to the later section of the game but i seem to struggle with her from the beginning to middle , any tips?
Hopefully this prolonged mage meta will lead to actual systematic changes to Warriors that don't just buff 4 of them and make them OP while the class as a whole suffers. We can dream!
I used to play anything but warriors for years in the solo lane since most of the time warriors were an easy win and it just felt more rewarding winning with something like a mage in the solo lane and years later it’s actually meta lol
Can't wait until next year when the warriors will be back to being OP like they've been every start of the new year. Can't wait to repeat this cycle for next year!
Its kinda pissing me off how the community react to this mage meta. Everyone was crying on the jg meta, the adc meta, the tank meta and the warriors meta. Now that the most braindead gods are the meta, a very few players complain and most people afraid that its gonna be over.
*cant wait for 3 warriors to be really strong and squishy mains to complain about the entire class being op even though the problem is just those 3 warriors and because Hi Rez is Hi Rez they nerf the entire class and warriors are once again completely useless for the entire year. There, fixed that for you.
@@robertmarosi2372 Maybe I'm not remembering well, but when have warriors ever dominated 2+ roles in the game? ADCs have been 3 role dominant, tanks have been 2 role dominant, mages are 2 role dominant now and assassins I only remember being good in mid because mages in general were complete shit so I wouldn't call them dominant. Warriors have been overtuned and borderline broken to a degree but there has never been a warrior meta. They were playable in support years back, never dominant. A few were somewhat playable mid and yes some of the top jungle gods for a time were Erlang and Gilga but both of them were built hybrid with a damage bias. None of that indicates a meta. But again maybe I'm just forgetting something so please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Repsolthefirst you may be right, I dont count the metas and seasons. Still, people are waay more tolerant with the mage meta than they were with the others. Thats was my point.
People forget that part of why mages feel so good in solo is cuz of blue buff. It's way more useful for mages early than any other class. Maybe we could look at tweaking blue buff
ik im not in spl or anything but i have been dominating in solo with warriors against mages. Just rush them with surtr sekhmat + genji and they legit cannot apply any pressure. I get 3 stuns off on them in about 5 seconds tops
Mages will always be this op because like league mr items suck compared to ad. The hybrid tank items are the only thing keeping them from being the best in literally every role. Imo this problem was ultimately proliferated by the 30% item damage nerfs. The inability for anyone to scale as hard as some of these high base damage decent to high scaling mages is just going to stay this bad because their abilities are just better than assassins and hunters and warriors. They don't have to focus as much on their aa damage so they get better ability based kits that allow this level of domination. When the game has become a mage in every role but jungle and maybe the hunter (but let's be real sol, olorung, and chrono go brrr) it's just sad. This game is just very boring right now because they refused to admit they were wrong about a lot of these changes this year and take way to long to remove or change then. I mean it took them months to remove the shitty deathbzone thing now we are dealing with them having these op stats that buffs give, power nerfs, map nerfs, etc. It's just time to actually do some real changes and pay some real attention to the game not just your diamond plus and spl pros. The game is so much more than those two minority groups.
Nah, just make sure your team has more mages than the opponent team and everything is fine. Mage solo, mage adc(not sol and olo) and a full dmg mage support will do the work. Also you can have a mage jg just bc why not
Maman has been getting poked out lately. I feel like every time I see her if there no good poke game she shines. And you forgot Aphrodite and aunhr combo. I think it was the jade dragons who was doing that combo perfectly it was danger
It's the most common choice for Mid maman, she's very all-in and if you use dash to secure a kill it can sometimes save you or at least buy some time for the team to follow up on your stuff
Too much brainless farming in this game. Good enough players can hold off a snowball. So most spl games are pointless until late/hyper late game. It's always been like this. Hitting abilities and having skill is pointless until late. And even more so with bounties and shutdown rewards. This game would be more fun if it had a Mario party style where you would play different mini games with premade builds and scenarios. The 60 min stalemates with less than 15 kills is such an awful amount of time to waste. But that's the way conquest was designed, to waste your time 😂 🤷♂️
@@hydrus2076 honestly I'm just sick of every game being 35 mins minimum. Bring back more movement speed items (RIP boots) so we can get around the giant ass map quicker and lower titans defense when other structures are still up. That titan room is way too hard to siege and stalls the game
Honestly the fact that even the honorable mention for Solo Lane is a mage is evidence that something's seriously wrong here.
Yup, did consider mentioning Ama as well since she's the best warrior ATM but is still well behind the 4 mages mentioned :(
Nah its fine, warriors are boring asf, this is the only time that solo lane has been fun
@@aitor2516 I agree it’s making games more unpredictable you’re only hope is game iq and counter building
Warriors are my favorite this makes me sad
@@aitor2516I think mage solo being good isn't the problem it's the fact it's undisputed that warriors are worse that is the problem
I wanna give a mention to Amaterasu, who despite being one of only 2 playable Warriors, is so behind the Mage Solos that teams are slotting her in the Jungle for the same reasons Erlang is being played.
What this tells me is that Breastplate of Determination was always a good item and the only reason people didn't use it before it got buffed then nerfed was because they just wanted to try the other new items.
This sort of thing always happens which is why everyone shouldn’t take any meta build or gods as static. Tank Kuang was a thing for years and even stronger before it became mainstream. Same with other picks like support Serqet.
It’s why it’s frustrating to talk about smite with people that don’t investigate the game beyond only playing the top 2-3 gods in the current patch.
@@Polevolter I remember seeing solo tank Ao Kuang with the now removed Stone of Fal last season.
Nah it's because glad shield got nerfed into the ground, which basically pushed every warrior out the meta since that one of their major sources of damage.
@@esleyb7968 I still use glad shield. Some bonus dmg is still better than none and it still has 25hp5.
Been having a lot of good times with Kuzenbo in the solo currently, building Sundering Axe, Glad Shield and full tank. Feels like he can 1v1 most gods late game
My man 💪 Kuzen is Goated. Also if u ever wanna get wild with it try out Alternate Timeline and Pidwen/brreasplate then Chronos/bauble and Fire blink 2 dmg dealers end game an watch the team fall apart...or take 40+ seconds to chase down to kill ye...Godforbid ur Ult comes back by tht time😈 🤣🤣
@@sweetxcalibur5319nah the relic dagger infinite thorns build is way better
Really like the chart thing showing what they excel at. Fire addition 🔥
It was no surprise that determination harmed warriors more than helped. The magic protection stack nerf ended up compensating the Pythagoram nerf and now warrior solos are officially extinct. Yeah you can play warrior solo, but expect them very far in between.
That knockup immune nerf on her 1 literally scared her out of the jungle and tsyukomi is doing better now with it returning to his 2
Glad to see the atlas buffs doing a lot more and gonna need to brush off the rust
All in all... all i see is that conquest became arena with both depending who hits the hardest with 2 mage lanes and playing a game of dodgeball.
Tsuku is not that good, entering with no warrior is deadly
@yoursexycookie didn't say he was meta, but he was better than he was before.
Welp best you get use to it because mage solos are gonna be here for awhile.
@@yoursexycookie because I already have, now that supports have to do double duty with one less tank to be a decent frontline.
@@isaacvitela5131 surely is
I really like the graph explaining the strengths and weaknesses. Did you make them yourself or are they from another source?
Made them myself :D
Ah Puch is op in solo rn.
He just counters everything. He has good waveclear, tank, counters healing, can self-heal for a percentage, has Essentially infinite mana, high burst damage, extremely far range and an ult that lets him get free damage.
He is busted man, basically nobody counters him ;/
I was only able to outplay an Ah Puch in duel as a wukong :(
The crazy thing is au has been ass for so long than exploded
@@symblur7463 in mid he was a sleeper pick, he was still good in solo, but now because of the buffs to solo mage he blew up.
It would be the same as changing terra to have her ult be 10% instead of 3%
@@sunshineandrei2569 In mid, he got dogged on by an moderately competent Jungle and Mid. He was utter garbage for a long time lol
@@revenge3265 nah, he was in a kuku position of not being absolute dog water but also being so bad a toddler could win.
I never would have thought that Rat is a better jungler than the likes of Thanatos and Ao Guang. It would be great though because he's my Main - not because people consider him a good jungler but because I like Squirrels as well as Rat's gameplay. ^^
i am hella sad about the state of solo. guess ill stick to assault for another season
Honestly recently seen a couple of people saying what could be done to fix warriors one was the heal on glad shield should be back, Honestly i agree but it should be adjusted so its not a 1 meta item so maybe like a glyph that does it and berserkers get a shogun like passive 😊
If u wanna counter ah puch in solo, play Anubis, it’s over once he hits level 5 and he’s wayyyy more op late game if you have feel, and even if I don’t just wrap, 3 and ult. Pretty much a free kill every minute
Could you show your recommended atlas build? I'm performing well with him but i'm not sure i'm building him right
Ngl been trying maman mid and its fun dont get me wrong when you get to the later section of the game but i seem to struggle with her from the beginning to middle , any tips?
I’m new to this game Is Odin any good
Still waiting for warriors to be able to play the game hirez stillllllll waiting
Hopefully this prolonged mage meta will lead to actual systematic changes to Warriors that don't just buff 4 of them and make them OP while the class as a whole suffers. We can dream!
@@Inters3ct indeed we can my man
Next year probably, I'd be actually surprised if they made any changes before Worlds
Fuck warriors tbh
@@mercurialfunk hopefully not like the start of this sesson where they were good for one patch
I used to play anything but warriors for years in the solo lane since most of the time warriors were an easy win and it just felt more rewarding winning with something like a mage in the solo lane and years later it’s actually meta lol
Can't wait until next year when the warriors will be back to being OP like they've been every start of the new year. Can't wait to repeat this cycle for next year!
Its kinda pissing me off how the community react to this mage meta. Everyone was crying on the jg meta, the adc meta, the tank meta and the warriors meta. Now that the most braindead gods are the meta, a very few players complain and most people afraid that its gonna be over.
@@robertmarosi2372 I can't wait for this Mage Meta to be over tbh.
*cant wait for 3 warriors to be really strong and squishy mains to complain about the entire class being op even though the problem is just those 3 warriors and because Hi Rez is Hi Rez they nerf the entire class and warriors are once again completely useless for the entire year.
There, fixed that for you.
@@robertmarosi2372 Maybe I'm not remembering well, but when have warriors ever dominated 2+ roles in the game? ADCs have been 3 role dominant, tanks have been 2 role dominant, mages are 2 role dominant now and assassins I only remember being good in mid because mages in general were complete shit so I wouldn't call them dominant.
Warriors have been overtuned and borderline broken to a degree but there has never been a warrior meta. They were playable in support years back, never dominant. A few were somewhat playable mid and yes some of the top jungle gods for a time were Erlang and Gilga but both of them were built hybrid with a damage bias. None of that indicates a meta. But again maybe I'm just forgetting something so please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Repsolthefirst you may be right, I dont count the metas and seasons. Still, people are waay more tolerant with the mage meta than they were with the others. Thats was my point.
Best way to deal with solo magics is to build as gem of gaia as your first makes you hard for them to kill.
People forget that part of why mages feel so good in solo is cuz of blue buff. It's way more useful for mages early than any other class.
Maybe we could look at tweaking blue buff
We need more off meta build vids let’s destroy the meta ! Btw awilix support slaps with amulet of silence
Can we get Is one for arena
ik im not in spl or anything but i have been dominating in solo with warriors against mages. Just rush them with surtr sekhmat + genji and they legit cannot apply any pressure. I get 3 stuns off on them in about 5 seconds tops
Mages will always be this op because like league mr items suck compared to ad. The hybrid tank items are the only thing keeping them from being the best in literally every role. Imo this problem was ultimately proliferated by the 30% item damage nerfs. The inability for anyone to scale as hard as some of these high base damage decent to high scaling mages is just going to stay this bad because their abilities are just better than assassins and hunters and warriors. They don't have to focus as much on their aa damage so they get better ability based kits that allow this level of domination. When the game has become a mage in every role but jungle and maybe the hunter (but let's be real sol, olorung, and chrono go brrr) it's just sad. This game is just very boring right now because they refused to admit they were wrong about a lot of these changes this year and take way to long to remove or change then. I mean it took them months to remove the shitty deathbzone thing now we are dealing with them having these op stats that buffs give, power nerfs, map nerfs, etc. It's just time to actually do some real changes and pay some real attention to the game not just your diamond plus and spl pros. The game is so much more than those two minority groups.
Solo lane can now feel the pain of Mid lane when assassins/hunters were taking over lol.
Nah, just make sure your team has more mages than the opponent team and everything is fine. Mage solo, mage adc(not sol and olo) and a full dmg mage support will do the work. Also you can have a mage jg just bc why not
what about GEB!?
HEROISM + Relic Dagger + Shell as an active is pretty OP tho
Suprised to not see Cthulhu anywhere
Still thinking that amc and jing wei are very solid adcs and probably filling up a top 5 ladder
When can we get back more smite bingo or random god trip to every game mode? those were the best
FINALLY SOME RAT LOVE. Just got my 5th star on him and I’m having just as much fun as when I started. He’s so nutty 😏
is the game still worth playing in 2023-24, are there still lots of ppl playing
Yeah is Pos is being considered a top solo laner, then that’s an issue.
I'm crying at the Solo lane rn. 😢
Maman has been getting poked out lately. I feel like every time I see her if there no good poke game she shines. And you forgot Aphrodite and aunhr combo. I think it was the jade dragons who was doing that combo perfectly it was danger
No Ao Kuang in solo or jungle? Even with 3rd highest pick/ban rate? Not even a Hades or Eset with the highest mage win rates? Ok.
Ao solo loses laning immediately if an au puch can clear his lane with ease. If it didn't work in mid, what difference would that make in mage solos?
Word, not even Nemesis in the top jungle with recent buffs, this list is a joke.
Finaly, my boy Ah Puch in the meta
Haven't played smite in a long time and the fact that all the picks for solo is mages is really sad and weird
This is the first time where i cant stand the meta and havent played since that shit god has came out . Ive been playing since barons release
Man do I hate these mages
I think ama in solo slams some of these mages
nemesis lowkey better than cama ngl
You call it best picks I call it a ban list
alt timeline maman..?
It's the most common choice for Mid maman, she's very all-in and if you use dash to secure a kill it can sometimes save you or at least buy some time for the team to follow up on your stuff
Too much brainless farming in this game. Good enough players can hold off a snowball. So most spl games are pointless until late/hyper late game. It's always been like this. Hitting abilities and having skill is pointless until late. And even more so with bounties and shutdown rewards. This game would be more fun if it had a Mario party style where you would play different mini games with premade builds and scenarios. The 60 min stalemates with less than 15 kills is such an awful amount of time to waste. But that's the way conquest was designed, to waste your time 😂 🤷♂️
Sounds like a skill issue
@@hydrus2076 honestly I'm just sick of every game being 35 mins minimum. Bring back more movement speed items (RIP boots) so we can get around the giant ass map quicker and lower titans defense when other structures are still up. That titan room is way too hard to siege and stalls the game
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Gays builds
Izanami is my favorite 🤌🏼 The 100% crit build on her is insane.
super off topic but im not tryna go work this 10:30-7 rn fucking kill me