Biggest Supercharge Cheese (DC Supercharge Online)

Tell me what you think about this in the comment section.

[@ObsidianChill]

7:45 Tank POV showing dash attack supercharge spam example
11:29 DPS POV what it would look like in a raid if a tank/healer used the artifact

[@elijahhernandez8849]

Can you do a fire dps loadout

[@VagrantVideos]

Simple fix would just be make caster’s watch heal POWER and Health not SUPERCHARGE.

[@reckless_andrew]

ObsidianChillDCUO don’t forget the stack damage with the orbital and that in dps stance

[@David-gz6nk]

whiptastic orbitals do not get taken into account during damage calculations just player damage

[@VagrantVideos]

whiptastic they said during the reveal of these artifacts orbitals do NOT count towards the eye damage

[@monpekokero]

I'm a goddamn superhero. I do what I want

[@DbzGuru034]

I understand what youre saying.. But i have no problems with this.. We are FINALLY in a good place where you can CUSTOMIZE MANY BUILDS in DCUO.. Im all for the creativity.. Does this need to be fine tuned? ABSOLUTELY.. but i am all for Supercharge LOADOUTS if thats the build youre going for.. It gives healers another responsibility anyways.. As we get stronger, NPC health pools become extremely high so SC spammin isnt as bad as you think.. And the SC you chose to display arent even OP.. Most DPS builds run 10000 SC anyways, itll help them out anyways.. Once again, great video, i understood your point. I do not think we as a community are collectively playing this strategic to make this strategy totally abusive from a community collective standpoint.. If that makes sense.. lol Im all for SC loadouts and SC generation.

[@ObsidianChill]

I can certainly see that point as well, I embraced the supercharge meta when it was presented to us with stats revamp with controllers. It's just been a slippery slope with all these artifacts where literally now all the emphasis is on supercharges. Also its customization in the wrong direction as now all these powersets need to swtich to supercharges they can use more often for the pollox gaze damage. Munitions and Quantum are falling behind because they rely on 100%. Supercharges like Strafing Run and Oblivion have damages that last longer than 6s of the gemini so you can't maximize your gemini damage. Yes alot of that is "overkill" but in the right hands and group coordination it just creates more problems than it solves.
But I can certainly respect and understand your opinion as well

[@David-gz6nk]

To add to what he said, this is geared more toward people who can actually coordinate as in leagues. You won’t see many pugs making to much use from this. When ever I put my damage circle up I see dps running away to not increase my damage. Yet people run towards my green circle to benefit from it. Kinda like seeing who to not reinvite into raids

[@ObsidianChill]

@@David-gz6nk its not really hard for the entire group to say together while the healers pop giant green circles in pugs. It really doesn't take that much co-ordination. Worst case the player misses 1-2sec of the regen while they run to be within range. It still achieves the same effect of getting 9-10% free SC regen.

[@David-gz6nk]

ObsidianChillDCUO I do understand where you are coming from. I just don’t think it’s as big of a deal as you have made it sound to be. It’s not going to be something that every single healer and tank will run. I do believe they should but I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t.

[@juliosanchez1631]

@@David-gz6nk i have seen many dps run away from it try hards always move away instead of helping each other out a pug grp is made of random ppl not people you know calling it a pug grp

[@David-gz6nk]

No offense but I think this is great. This is promoting the group to actually work together. Yes it’s a bit cheese but so what. Dps will have a reason to stand back with the healers instead of face smacking the bosses and making it harder for the group. And this does not fit every tank or healer. You need to spec towards using this.

[@Juvenile190]

Negative

[@lilmarko6776]

RoyalArtDCUO elite raids not saying more xD

[@Nytellem]

Also the former CoH (City OG Heroes) ceo is working with DCUO now that old super hero game was all about running things as a group. Helping eachother out, keeping the group collectively working together instead of as individuals. I’ll like to wait longer and see how it effects the community not just one person.

[@Met-cx9uj]

First of all there’s a difference when it comes to using this artifact in Normal versus Elite content.
Spamming and recharging my groups supercharge in Crown Of Thorns (Elite) certainly didn’t work out that well. You can stand in the field all you want but your entire group can get wiped out if one of the sub bosses uses his snake attack. Is it cheese? I don’t think it’s really cheese because most Elite runs have the mechanics where you can’t really stand around clumped up all together. E.g. Pano E with scatter shots, Crown E with whirlpools, Us E with all the 1 shot mechanics. It does take coordination and team effort. Also, a lot of players play on console which makes it a bit more difficult to run around and stuff so here’s that to it as well. You can’t really use or I shall say abuse this “cheese” if your tank is running it and is holding like 10-12 adds in Elite. Good luck getting in there to get that 12% back. If you can, well... Outstanding! Too good by the group if can just go ahead and hop into a circle that pops on the ground to make it worth it.
It certainly helps a fire tank a lot because you can spam pheromone bloom and kinda make up for whatever the devs did to it previously.
I think it does add more to the table because it diversifies everything and it’s all about team work and coordination now, in addition, people can actually start using movement/iconic supercharges since some powers were lackluster as far as supercharges go making normal content a bit easier where you’d still have to coordinate and “Elite” where you have to be on point since it can only take 1 or 2 downs for domino effect to take place and that’s when shit can actually hit the fan. I’d yet to see a tank in Elite Content holding adds, calling out the mechanics, surviving and actually benefiting the group by providing supercharge just like I’ve yet to see a Rage or an Earth DPS really cheese it out with Entomb because he was able to get supercharge from his healer and tank while doing US E or any of the bosses in Pano E.
Sure you can activate your supercharge by the group as you’ve shown in video and run out but you won’t be filling your own meter since you’re out of field yourself. But can you do this in Elite Content to make it worth it? Imo, it doesn’t have practical use if you are a tank since you are not filling your own supercharge but instead adds will be all over the place and will potentially pop someone in your group with AoE. To really cheese you’d have to be in circle yourself along with your DPS group mates without them dying. Some raids are also chaotic since you’d have other animations going on at the same time and people may not even know where you are when you pop it.
In Dps role idk why you’d use a 2500 SCs since they are close range and barely do any decent damage so you are limited to your 5000 or 10000 supercharges with 30 or 60 second cooldown. Cheesing it with Pollux’s gaze and standing by the ranged DPS to get their damage is not really worth it since you’ll be out of range to actually connect with your own supercharge. Using this artifact in Normal content could be cheese, I agree. But does it really matter?? Elite on the other hand requires a lot more coordination, an actual healing loadout without supercharge generator and SC itself if you are a healer or tank with an exception of Fire or Rage since you can pop pheromone bloom or dash attack. Idk what everyone says, you can’t really cheese as a tank in Elite because you are way better off dropping your soul cloak, head/chest mod for SC and actually putting something in the loadout that’ll help you and your group to survive as well as you to hold the adds in 1 place without them bouncing all over the place. You can certainly make use of this artifact as a tank but it comes with its cons. It requires precise team work with only 2 downs, and I can assure you having 4 DPS standing in circle is a double edge with your tank and the adds being near your group mates.
These are my 2 cents and I tried to be objective view. How do I know this? Well, I’m one of those “cheesers” who may or may not be biased here having healed, completed and failed all of the Elite raids. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn’t but at least you can now be creative and actually get to work with your group instead of just doing rotations.
Edit: Forgot to add the part... People who have leveled the artifact mostly likely spent money.

[@100kejimaeda]

I think the artifact mechanic is to compensate for the power they gutted, instead buffing every power every patch and people complain it's too op make every power op by spamming supercharge

[@DarkTrainerGas]

Not gonna lie. I have been on this game sense beta and I'm just learning about this and it really doesn't seem that bad. It's good right now but I'm assuming they intend to make the game harder so this may very well be useful and less op in 1 or 2 tiers

[@Nytellem]

Exactly he knows the devs are WELL aware of how strong this is. Do you really think they would spend months maybe even a year on creating this feature just to make every raid or elite easy??? No! They will adjust according to these artifacts now.

[@Nytellem]

I think you should keep testing this out live, run some raids and elites with your group to prove how cheesy it is instead of this one instance of you by yourself or with your partner standing still and have nothing else to focus on. Unless you have. All in all I think you should wait for the community to react to this. The devs know what their doing. They will adjust according their feedback in not just complaints but in numbers.

[@ObsidianChill]

With the video I just released today with the support roles using eye of the gemini I had 25 Berserks in just over 7min. Using 25 50% (5000) supercharges in 1 fight ua-cam.com/video/3l7leMbCkKo/v-deo.html how can you possibly balance content around that sort of usage. Everytime you saw the green circle it was a healer or a tank using their supercharge, a healer constantly in arbitor of destiny, a tank constantly using dash attack for a shield. It's the most broken thing that has ever existed in the game. Do people think that Machine or Hive elite would have been even remotely difficulty if we had EoG spam throughout it for shields for every dive bomber or bee bot, shields throughout terra's gas phase. DPS supercharges for Donna Troy? EoG has completely trivialized all content in the game.

[@solareiusdeiu]

iT IS GOOD for teamwork because we all like beeing selfish, and making most damage we can, despite what happen for the support roles. But with gemini, dps would love beeing with more support roles. And support roles, would be able to keep usefull supercharges and knowing it help everyone and themselves.
i think gemini = TEAMWORK. because the more ppl using it, the best the GROUP become. and it demands also coordination and communication. Knowing who is where etc.

[@HydroFlame20]

Anyway you need a podcast your voice is just perfect and like vanilla coco so easy and milky,chill smooth 😁😁👍💖

[@Nytellem]

I’m not sure what the problem is....this can be beneficial to organized groups. Are you just complaining that it would be too easy? Cause I don’t know about y’all but I hate spending more than 5hrs on one boss.

[@goodtogrow7774]

And I've NEVER ran with a full group that has that artifact let alone full 160...

[@ObsidianChill]

The artifact has only been out for a few weeks, this isn't just about whats going on as of December 2nd, 2018 its about future content and everything going forward. I'm sure you can realize what can happen when players actually start to get this to 160. Getting a 160 artifact isn't really as hard as people think.

[@vrax9]

I'm worried about similar balance issues regarding Manacles of Force. It will soon become impossible to creat content that is both A) challenging for an entire group with Manacles, and B) still possible for an entire group without Manacles.

[@ObsidianChill]

Up to you guys what you think of this, its working as intended. I personally feel while its super cool and fun its a detriment in the long term to content where we can infinitely spam supercharges.

[@staticdrift1488]

First

[@staticdrift1488]

Great vid chill

[@mystere1277]

In elite content it’s doesn’t work that great for tanks as they have to make other sacrifices. For healers you would have to give up your supercharge shield unless you are water or nature. So all in all you have to make trade offs that doesn’t make it that OP.

[@ObsidianChill]

@@mystere1277 In Throne Elite it works perfectly as the entire group stays together for the most part you have the Wrath tank and 2 healers giving perma SC to the group. Most tanks are superspeed anyways because that is the best movement mode for tanks in terms of kyting so dash attack is a very easy supercharge to use and its a 100% shield. All other tanks like fire etc can use pheromone bloom which will be a bit slower than dash attack obviously but still a good tank supercharge. A nature healer could just drop savage growth and use bug to power the elec healers for example so they have group transducer every 30sec which is the strongest shield in the game etc. In some elite cases the tanks won't be able to provide SC but in every elite run 2 healers can always have the gemini proc'd with their SC for all the DPS to gain supercharge back and the controllers to gain supercharge to have their shields too.

[@mystere1277]

Not what I meant. I mean the bonus to the tank is negligible. To the rest of the team of course it’s good but in order for it to be good u either need to be near tank which is not wise or near a healer. If the healer uses it they are either using their shield super which has a cool down timer or they user a faster recharging super and give up the shield super.

[@goodtogrow7774]

I think it's awesome! And my water has always used a super in dps.

[@ObsidianChill]

I was referring to Water healing, water heals supercharges are weak by comparison to loadouts without them

[@kei-kusanagi8444]

Got to look at it like this, how many groups are actually going to be coordinated enough to taking advantage of it. Especially pugs. I see where you're coming from tho.

[@ObsidianChill]

we'll see how it all plays out, who knows :p

[@almightyqdogg]

John doesn’t have everything in his vendor I don’t understand why I can’t get certain Artifacts

[@BriceGaming]

Welp, 160 Gemini here I come. lol.

[@JP-nh6id]

I solo heal most everything so I do indeed love eye of Gemini, as it does help me keep group transducers it’s awesome, but since I’m soloing most everything since week 1 even elite I don’t have another healer to trade supers with. So I don’t think of it as too op. Now solo healing elite raids first week is a whole different problem entirely and I agree with your previous video that the content is far too easy in general. However 90% of the population still can’t beat the elite content which is also just sad.

[@greagen]

I see no problems I tried to do this with pugs they just don't listen they do whatever they want so I don't see pug group spamming this. With my league is different story but I like the way it is no need to nerv.
Also not all people running with that artifact.

[@ShinDangaioh]

True. I use Dead King's Scepter, Manacles of Force, and Demon's Fang.
Power-Fire
Move set-Flight
Utility belt
1: Boo Junior/Baby Boo 2: Sidekick 3: Orbital Strike(Fighting Terra gets switched compartment trinket) 4: Supply Drop
Faster cooldowns on shields, damage pets, supply drops, orbital strikes
survivability
power back

[@ObsidianChill]

I know its still early with the artifact just coming out, this is more thinking of the future once players see the benefit of the artifact and eventually we start to see the majority of players with it etc. Right now most people didn't know how effective this could be using like dash attack or bloom SC and were using 50-100% SC's not getting the full benefit. We'll see how it all works out in time.

[@KG-1234]

I like that is beter for the group

[@barclayrudder]

Dev had to come with a meaningful replacement for advanced mechanics remember some dudes rotation was like a supercharge lol

[@cbasha82]

I think this is a bit cheesy but it could definitely help the pugs of the world myself(dr.volatile) included get through some of the elite content. Leagues that already smash through elite content won’t really be affected by it cuz they are already able to get through stuff without it. All in all I see it as a benefit for the less fortunate:(

[@juliosanchez1631]

I'm MasterShogun I was trying to tell you before you posted this it's strong but if they change it you would have to change 3 movements powers and also pheromone Bloom and make them all 30 second cooldowns

[@ObsidianChill]

I could see them making the gemini not work with supercharges that are less than 50% for example. Players are only using dash attack, bloom, speed drain, perfect poise, vacuum bubble etc to exploit the benifits of gemini so they could change it to only 50%+ supercharges are affected and that would be fine.

[@juliosanchez1631]

@@ObsidianChill well if it's intended it probably won't get fixed but It can cause problems cause people have spent a lot of money before the cheese and anger those who didn't know about the cheese and refunds on dcuo hold your breath

[@ObsidianChill]

@@juliosanchez1631 yup it'll be all based on the response, all im trying to do with this is start the conversation and bring it exposure. So we'll see when everyone starts running with this setup or we see shouts in LFG for healers "must have gemini 160" etc and see where this takes the game and see if the devs act on it then.

[@juliosanchez1631]

@@ObsidianChill healers with gemini isnt necessary and lfg shouting for them would be dumb tanks and healers are lfg wet dream reguardles of of eye if Gemini

[@ObsidianChill]

@@juliosanchez1631 nothing is "necessary" but when they start to see that you can do crown E and throne E runs in 25min or less and have super easy boss fights because you have infinite supercharge for dps, healers and controllers you'll be surprised what starts to happen in pugs. Are you going to tell me the same thing with the glitches in the past to Throne and Paradox in the past with teleporting or nexus fighting ontop of the doorway or bringing the tyrant into the spawn. Sure... all those weren't "necessary" but you sure saw every single LFG pug on the ps side shout for that.

[@Veela666]

I wish they made arts quicker to rank and not such a cash grab. So many arts I wanna use but it's not possible.

[@sirronaldhicks6303]

Honestly bro I get what your saying but I think in order to keep building on content it might be necessary. Electric healing is pretty power hungry and with the Orion it's really easy to burn the that bar, plus group transducer and the super charged aren't negating all damage anymore. The splash slam type thing still does damage shield and all. I get what your saying and in theory I think your right but I dont think that level or coordination is very likely in the game majority of the type.
Si Divo, Crew Nation

[@undefeatedforcertain8457]

I understand your argument, and agree. However, I believe this can also be useful in elite raids.

[@zer0strike176]

This is the Dev way of Daring us to actually work together I think the ultimate fix for this would probably be that the effects of eye of Gemini only affect the group and dont help you rebuild your own super charge

[@sternbock9059]

boi, i do use it with bloom, inclussive headmod for bloom, ext sc in the chest and scrab of soul. i think it is not that big of a deal at all: if one goes all out for it, compensation would be the least to expect... also: you got the artifacts on 160 only on test

[@DangerouslyActive]

It's just a 2.0 version from the CC weapon's.my leagues support roles use to abuse it.
People was scared to use cus of the stats.

[@mystere1277]

Yeah, artifacts are required for balance. Venom wrist is necessary for prec dps though u can do as good if not better dps as might without any artifacts. For me, the content can already be cleared without any artifacts so whatever the artifacts are adding don't really matter - to me they are flavor and add some new ways to play (though with generally the same outcome - a win).

[@ObsidianChill]

Artifacts aren't required to complete content but they certainly make a measurable difference in the outcome. *I could be wrong so you can ignore this part of my reply* but pretty sure you were in those runs with costs from how you were talking about this video in costs stream so you are plenty aware of how the gemini's played out in those crown and throne e runs you guys did. Would you have beaten it without the gemini stuff? sure of course but the difference between having them is completely measurable and completely less stressful compared to actually needing to concentrate on what you're doing and not just have infinite spam supercharges and pollux gaze looped damage at your disposal.

[@leeklo1573]

Hey could you make a fire load out and rotation? I haven’t seen you made one yet. Thank you

[@mystere1277]

You made a previous video complaining about how the elite raids are easy. I am pretty sure when you made that video you were not using eye of gemini spam. Thus if they were already easy for you , the addition of artifacts doesn't matter as the elite raids were already easy. But let's be honest, there are MANY PUG teams out there that cant complete COT reg. For those players, the artifacts could make a big difference. But, this all assumes that the team communicates well and has good raid situational awareness. And IMO, if you have good communication and situational awareness, you won't have problems int he first place and we are back to not having the artifacts matter. To get the most of the artifacts requires the same good communication and situational awareness and again if you already have that the artifacts give you diminishing value.

[@ObsidianChill]

It doesn't give diminishing value at all, I don't understand how you can arrive at that conclusion? Just because players can beat the raids without gemini is irrelevant, the fact is that no one wants to spend unnecessary time in an elite raid that they've already completed plenty of times and are just rerunning for marks. No one wants to have a mistake where they die to murk or a wipe happens at the end of wrath and you have to spend all that time bringing his health done again. Not everyone abuses precision dps and runs with 3+ precision dps every run so they actually have to worry about splitting damage and things naturally taking longer. With the gemini every wipe starts the group with full supers and throughout the fights they are sped up very noticeably by cycling supercharges and pollux gaze. It's not about topping the scorecard or anything like that its just about not spending 40+min in elite if you don't have to so dps don't care to run away from others gemini's etc its not a concern.
If this gemini artifact was around during TT dlc Machine Elite would have been a *WHOLE DIFFERENT* story LOL

[@Xcommunicado1]

I rather have something op like this instead of being under power and stuck in a raid for hours. Cheese is good!

[@MrHapkido72]

You realize that the devs are saying it's working as intended in hope that you make a video and have thousands of people buying the perfect artifact in the marketplace right? You just made them thousands of dollars which is why they won't fix this.

[@ObsidianChill]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@ObsidianChill]

it'll end up getting adjusted, gemini is just as good without all these SC regen on castor's watch it wont stop DPS and plenty of players running it.

[@jahj316]

We need that last artifact slot..it's to many artifacts....4 is enough but it needs to be open. Asap

[@NuDCUO]

ayyyy thats Daytona Beach! Lets goooooooooooo!!!!

[@blackoctober9804]

up the superchagre cost of all powers. job done

[@JamesJones-ed6tn]

Since you rage you could of did vindictive since it counts as a sc even though it’s like 1.5 sc

[@ObsidianChill]

yea vindictive isn't the best example, because of the health pool rage has pheromone bloom (iconic) and dash attack (superspeed) are much better choices and ive seen plenty of rage tanks use dash attack just for the shield even before the artifact came out.

[@Savage-ph8vi]

I see your upset about this but haven’t heard if they are going to fix the renown boost cheese which imo is more of a cheese then this

[@ObsidianChill]

It is, I reported that to mepps directly with a video of it November 30th and he responded to me on Dec 3rd about it. So we are approaching 2 months the devs knowing about it.

[@fuckeverybodycom]

I like the use of it but I understand what you’re saying but it’s about team coordination especially when you are playing with others now if this was a PvP issue I would be all on your side but I do see what you’re saying if someone is gonna dps comp now eye of the Gemini I guess I don’t really see it being an issue nice video like always ✌🏿

[@iZargon7]

On my main Tank and Healer. I don't use a super charge. As Ice and Nature.

[@caprisunwarriorinc.7094]

P blooooommmm SPAM. The devs are trying to force players to be more team based

[@caprisunwarriorinc.7094]

on top of that this makes tanks lowkey 3 times harder to kill.

[@meremortals9960]

Great wrk as usual....I wonder with all the vids you put out if a dev has ever responded...still waiting on that sorc dps vid...help a brutha owt....

[@ObsidianChill]

Sorc vid should be this week, I have the rotations its just a matter of getting the footage and putting it all together. I do have regular conversations with the devs but alot of what I say goes over their head in terms that they don't realize how things play out in the game because they don't play it themselves. I pick my battles but overall not much changes obviously.

[@meremortals9960]

@@ObsidianChill well maybe one day the dev team will actually play the game and see these flaws that you talk about and adjust what needs to be adjusted...til then keep up the good wrk.....as far as my sorc loadout I've been using circle shard of life sonic cry soul barrage soul bolt neo venom boost....thx

[@Minecrafter123341]

How do you activate Casters watch ?

[@lilmarko6776]

This is the definition of supercharge generator they should completely remove the regular move I like this better and it does what the regular sc generator should be doing 👌

[@rg7656]

Can you do a sorcery dps and healer guide?

[@ObsidianChill]

It will be out hopefully this week :)

[@milkshaker23]

Why are trolls excluded

[@TrueScripture]

Where does it drop?

[@fredkrueger526]

Do you want cheese with your whine?

[@ObsidianChill]

you're the one commenting on videos from 2018 lol, get a life

[@baelothon7420]

I saw this coming the moment they did this and called out the opness of this combo it's honestly a horrible idea and should have stayed at 1% not 2%

[@felicelupin]

welp.. i guess i'll be seeing more super speed users for a reason ">_>

[@DangerouslyActive]

The Fairy not i.
Been arco. Not changing

[@AndrewStonerock]

How do you trigger super charge?

[@ObsidianChill]

you have to have enough supercharge earned to trigger whichever power you are using whether it is 2500 or 5000 or 10000 supercharge (25% of your yellow bar under your name or 50%, 100% etc.

[@juliosanchez1631]

So they patched and broke eye of Gemini now 60 percent of the time the buff don't activate

[@ObsidianChill]

you have to be in combat before you use EoG. It doesn't proc out of combat to prevent tanks spamming it for the group to give full supercharge. Just make sure you attack the boss or adds whatever before you use a supercharge and it will activate.

[@e-shoota4838]

Yea i agree with you 100%. This is absolute cheese, its cool and fun like you said, but this does not involve skill at all and makes stuff too easy now.

[@raquancobbs7316]

Is it good for dps precision?

[@sezersoylerkaya2721]

what i think is Mighty ObsidianChill !! you should stop complaining about game and start to enjoy your retirement
in dcuo as OC

[@JikyGang]

[@dcuoffendinghabits7949]

Yea but this is just a lazy way to play content imo, if ppl have to rely on stuff such as this on top of fotm then they need help lol

[@glimpseofmolly6109]

Hi

[@DangerouslyActive]

Molly Osbourne hell there

[@osualdocedano5179]

Dc universe been.broken 1year after it launched

[@mystere1277]

I totally disagree. Fix weapons vs might. Artifacts is fine. We can disagree.

[@ObsidianChill]

For sure if this is the direction they want to take the game with supercharges and artifacts building upon them it will just have to be another way to balance.

[@stevenbenalcazarhidalgo283]

Rip dcuo

[@JabariMacgrath]

Reported

[@mnavare1]

I'm sorry obsidianchill I am going to disagree with u... the dev's started it in their live stream.. meeps said it him self these artifacts are going to promote team work something alot of players and league lack in fact u said it at around 7 minuet and 20 seconds in to ur post cast Corporation... a few of my league members got our artifacts up within the first day as we took time to read it.. some dps.. healer.. etc dont read anything and just do things cuz someone else is doing it.. for example the healer artifact is trash.. the power consumption is way to much.. u have heaers over here killing the solo troll cuz they think that artifact is fire when it aint.. it's nice and if the power consumption was small it would be fire.. but it aint.. in the comic world there are villains and heros and then their are supervillains and superheroes.. that's how it is.. I choose to be that supervillain.. I welcome the cheese and have been using the cheese since day one as I took the time to read the content and talk about the content with my league mates so they can cheese off it.. even with the video out there showing them the potential u will still see groups wipe with 160 level artifacts as the artifact doesn't make u super it only gives u a super.. ur game play is what makes u super... been here since beta and will be here till the servers shut down.. proud supporter of dcuo.. log on daily as does my league.. leader of the Black Lords signing out!!!

[@goodtogrow7774]

I use Arion on my water healer as a holy crap heal. With demon fang it's not that bad. It's almost like a 25% super the way I use it. Outs nice because water doesnt use a super. Just MY opinion. I totally agree with you oon the eye artifact!

[@mnavare1]

@@goodtogrow7774 I am sorcery.. I dont like it as it to power hungry I use scrap of the soul cloak..starheart.. and eye if the Gemini...