The most trusted guy in indian tech.. No un-necessary hype around any tech .. one can always rely on his reviews as he never favours any tech or brand . Gives the most honest review.
EVs are a scam , imagine if everybody uses 7.5kw charger, how much load will it put on the grid, that is why in US also they have not been able to install fast chargers in not even 10% of the entire country in the last 20 years of EVs , forget about India, EVs are not going to succeed , it has already been rejected in US, sales have fallen by 50% , Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future , japanese Toyota was right , they had invested in hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid fuel cell cars from the start
EVs are a scam , imagine if everybody uses 7.5kw charger, how much load will it put on the grid, that is why in US also they have not been able to install fast chargers in not even 10% of the entire country in the last 20 years of EVs , forget about India, EVs are not going to succeed , it has already been rejected in US, sales have fallen by 50% , Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future , japanese Toyota was right , they had invested in hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid fuel cell cars from the start
Sir you might not have as many views as other tech UA-camrs, but you've earned a ton of respect in the UA-cam community-that's something nobody can take away. I know people usually say this kind of stuff after someone quits, but we should tell you while you're still going strong. You're awesome, keep it up sir! ❤️
The topic that was never discussed anywhere. Awsome job Ranith!! When we bought our MG ZS EV in 2021 the Dealer first denied booking as we had a single phase at home ( for MG ZS the 7.5 Kw charger is included in the cost) and we had to upgrade from single phase to 3 phase to which we dod before booking the car. Also ensured that the power lines from the pole to the house are a nice 10mm aluminum so that it dissipates heat much faster than a regular 4mm copper wiring when the 7.5 Kw charger is in use.
Though these are fair points, in my opinion, the biggest anxiety for EV is not much about charging these days. People are more concerned about the overall battery life. How much is the battery going to degrade over the years is the key concern. Some authentic study is needed on this.
@@_Anurag_Thakur_ Lol, that's what companies are claiming, but nobody know how the reality is going to be like. Nearly 99% EVs in India are less than 5 years old, so there is no data available for long term battery life in Indian conditions.
Teslas that use the NMC batteries many of them now are over 10 years old and many of them run on the same battery, remember the degradation of NMC batteries is a lot more. The LFP batteries have a life easily 2-3 times more than NMC batteries, hence if you don't abuse your battery a LFP battery should last for the life time of a vehicle for normal users. That's why Mahindra is now offer life time warranty for the new BE Ev's they launched those are blade LFP cells and have very high life, Tesla also had realized about LFP batteries hence the new Model 3 come with LFP batteries now.
@@rajeevrp1500 just search on yt you will get multiple examples of Evs which have driven 1-2lakh km in span of just 2-3years in EV the cycles matter not the years of age. And cycles are incremented only by charging which will be done more often if you are driving so much that you clock 1 lakh km in 2 years so age data is pointless, only odo matters and for that we already have conclusive evidence of even cheap and low tech Tata Evs having 90%+ SOH after lakhs of km of driving
EVs are a scam , imagine if everybody uses 7.5kw charger, how much load will it put on the grid, that is why in US also they have not been able to install fast chargers in not even 10% of the entire country in the last 20 years of EVs , forget about India, EVs are not going to succeed , it has already been rejected in US, sales have fallen by 50% , Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future , japanese Toyota was right , they had invested in hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid fuel cell cars from the start
Precise and to the point - no jazzy edits, vfx or cuts. And as usual, very nicely presented, on a very relevant topic. Looking at everything, I feel hybrids are the way forward in the near term at least, esp in an Indian context.
Adding a few points on charging infra based on my ownership of Nexon EV for about 2.5 years now 1. Earthing needs to be very well done for the charging point, ideally a dedicated earthing would help. Anything not well done means slower than expected time for charging 2. Stability of voltage has an impact on charging speed as well. Ensure a good heavy duty stabilised - an expense again. 3. Free installation includes limited length of wiring, anything far away from your electricity meter means additional expense for setup 4. Electricity meter/line 1-phase will not support, has to be upgraded to 3-phase. I had to get it done for the meter I intended to use at home. 5. The line capacity should also factory in current usage top limit. For ex. If you already have a 10 KW line but max usage hits close to 8KW then you have to upgrade the line to 15KW at least to use a 7.2 KW charger. Also, suggest adding some buffer considering more usage in summers. 6. Depletion of battery % depends on environment as well. Anything too cold or too hot means faster battery drain for same usage of vehicle. 7. Deep discharge of battery to 10% or below every 4 to 5 cycles helps maintain battery health is what I have been told by fellow EV owners and I have been following this (not sure how true this is though) 8. The best use case would be to have a dedicated AC charging point, if feasible. 9. Contrary to what most believe, charging infra on highways is already quite well built to ensure you make it to your destination but the main issue is with the number of chargers vs. number of vehicles intending to use them. Especially during peak hours. All said and done, my go-to car to drive has been an EV and love driving it over any other ICE vehicle that I am eligible to drive :)
Deep discharge has its pros and cons. Since none of us know the buffer in the BMS, it is better to charge whenever you feel uneasy about range in my case, that is usually at about 35% - 40%. Have not suffered any ill effects so far though have gone down to 20% or so a few times.
I generally let it go down below 25% charge before I charge, generally its between 15-20% most times but once every 4 odd months, I let it go down around 6-7% then charge it fully.
@@geekyranjit - you are a brave person! My generation, used to get so much gunk in fuel, that letting fuel gauge go below 25% was asking for trouble. I guess that habit persists. Also, how do you handle the limited performance mode once it drops below (I am not sure) 20% please? And thanks very much for your updates and information on EVs. As on date, if we assume Tata Motors and MG JSW India to be almost on par on sales, then the more interesting observation from my side is that for one company, EVs are about 5% of their sales and for the other EVs are about 40% of their sales. And yet, dedicated EV workshops are few, and not too many on the horizon either.
Limited performance hits only at 10% as I said I try to charge it when it goes below 25% I had spoken to many ppl and some Tata tech ppl also they suggested not to charger it in the middle frequently like when its 50-60% let it go down quite a bit and then fully charge till 100% to get the best of these LFP battery that will give great life and range without much degradation.
It's not about AC or DC chager, because the output needs to be always DC. It's about fast or slow charging, because ultra fast charging (heavy charging current) weaken the battery.
8:28 DCFC doesn’t have significant negative impact on battery degradation. It’s very much closer to AC cycling extreme temperatures have a greater impact
Once i voiced these problems among my friends. One guy who doesn't even know nothing about EV or a car defended our current infrastructure. I simply backed off because my energy is being wasted.
Hello Ranjit. Do you know about HV critical error issue in TATA EV's? I haven't come across this from Nexon or Punch owners, but saw several Tiago EV owners reporting it in social media, online forums etc. Users also reported this issue arises because of charging habits and replacing battery is the only solution.
Very helpful, many thanks, and good advice. People looking at buying an EV in the typical urban apartment/society type of set-up should look into every aspect of home slow charging at 3.3 kW. a) Load taking into account other electrical items at home b) MCB, RCBO & wiring as well as earth c) Increase in fixed monthly charges if electrical load is increased On the other hand, more & more public chargers have the option of DC Fast Charging as well as AC Slow Charging. It is a good idea to DC Fast Charge till about 80%-85% and then do the rest on AC Slow Charging, if you have the patience. Our Nexon EV (Generation 1) has been with us for about 27/28 months now, and we run a mix of slow & fast charging, and have never had a problem so far. Another important point before buying an EV is to visit the dealer's workshop and check out the facilities for EV after sales and service support. Enjoy your EV!!
A few things I want to mention here. Great insights from you, which no one is talking about. I worked on battery health; I can confirm you are right. Do not use a DC charger frequently; use it only when necessary. Many issues can happen because of DC charger battery health degradation, voltage offset, and fluctuation in range prediction. Before charging your EV, check the battery temperature. If it is high, do not charge it; let it cool down to 25°C, then plug in the charger.
Yeah that's the problem most ppl think that you can always just use DC fast charging, do small opportunity charge top ups etc also EV manufacturers or car dealers don't talk about the importance of regular AC charging. I noticed many TATA EV having Charging issues coz they do random charging, opportunity charging, don't charge it till full etc, but I feel it's not the consumers fault these brands don't explain them the importance of proper charging methods.
One doubt i have is if you are saying more fast charging will degrade the battery , Then can we say as of now with the current tech EVs are more suitable to cities And for highways I always need to plan well if am doing long distance ? Am In sales and my customer owning ev6 says he has the money and he cares more about doing the same time as a ice does the highways and ready to change the battery prematurely Am I right ?
@@geekyranjit as per engineering explained videos on LFP and NMC charging practices, it is not a problem to fast charge regularly as the difference in battery life will be few hundred cycles only (at most 50K - 100K km difference) over the 5lakh+ km cycle life. however the difference lies in the fact whether or not the EV has active or passive cell balancing, most cheap LFP EVs like tata have passive balancing ie the cell balancing only happens after battery is at 100% whereas tesla LFP model 3/y have active balancing so it does not matter whether you charge to 100 or not, every type of charging whether dc or ac will do needful cell balancing even if you stop at 60, 70, 80 whatever soc you stop at. So the only thing one needs to follow with indian EVs is to charge to 100 on AC whenever possible, especially if DCFC is being used frequently if someone is buying byd atto3 level of LFP EV then no need to worry about all these technicalities. now one hack to bypass this balancing issue is to charge to 100% at dcfc station as long as nobody else is waiting for charger etc. this way, the need for AC can be eliminated. In my highway trips, I have followed this method and never faced any issue of balancing.
Yes tata EV's only do the cell balancing after its completed 95% of the charging the last 5% charge what it does and that takes quite a bit of time is actually cell balancing.
@@geekyranjit actually the cell balancing is not that straight forward. It doesnt really depend on the SoC (charge of the vehicle) SoC is something we show to the customers using sifferent type of smoothing techniques. Cell balancing happens in different stages. If i between the charging the cell deviation increases (min and max cell diff) to a certain level (this level defined by companies and cell manufacturer) then the algo starts the cell balancing. What happens are higher SoC is sometimes the max cell voltages reaches the peak voltage and the min cell voltage still catching up then the cell balancing starts. Also different companies use different charging algos. Some use pulsating charging algo, some use CC-CV algo etc.
Thank you ever so much, Ranjeet Ji for telling us several very very important technical points which nobody, who has talked about EV cars, have told!!! Thanks a million, Sir!🙏🙏🙏
Great video ranjit sir. And yes, we have a long way to go for EV charging infra and core technologies. But people, especially in urban areas should now start planning about the charging infra solutions in their residential societies for the sake of future proofing.
This is very eye-opening information to me because I made the same mistake without thinking of the bigger picture when I bought an EV Car this week. However, with your insightful information, I can make it better. I'll be looking for more of your experienced suggestions & information. Thanks a lot 😇
Such a practical video. Yes EVs are truly a hastle for flat owners. As an EV owner I am quite lucky to have own bunglow coz I have seen some of my friends struggle to get their EV charges and sometimes they charge at my home too..
Another thing nobody talks about is the charging time it takes on the AC charger.. even the 7.2 KW takes about 8 hrs to fully charge the 55 KW battery. This means no freedom, we have to always plan our travel in detail. So for now, looks like EVs are better suited only as a second car for daily commute or for someone who doesn't like much travelling.
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This outdoor shot Video looks outstanding 😍. While you were walking and talking you were out of breath. I would suggest you to sit and talk outside. This is better than inside videos. Love you sir. Take care❤
Sir, I’m planning to purchase the new Mahindra XEV9E. However, I’m concerned about the electricity load. Our only 2 or 3 kWh meter connection may not be sufficient. I believe I need to apply for a capacity increase. From what I’ve heard, these new Mahindra cars come with an 11kWh charger. Thank you for creating such informative videos.
This is a very good Video indeed Ranjith. The important thing is that, we energy meters which are 3Ph 10A per phase. In such a case the single phase socket can provide a max of 2.2kva. Not sure of this, if the chargers comes with 3ph options, even if that's the case you can get only abou 6.6kva , assuming no other load is connected. So it's a real big problem you have highlighted
Pool-in and install one or two 3rd party 7.4kw charger in a common place so that everyone can charge it by money. If can pool more money, install solar panels also, so that it will be almost free.
Good conversation sir, would also like to bring up the poor reliability of Tata cars in general. Don’t think you have experienced it, but the amount of minor issues is way too much. I have been a Tata EV owner for about 3.5 years, and even now the new Tata curvs etc I have seen with that front tube light not working is quite remarkable. Other brands I’m not so sure.
One more point, long trips with EV would require some planning. We must plan to have sufficient range to cover at least 2 charging locations. I have personally faced this situation where I had to go to second location as the first one went down suddenly. And also, it is not advised to go on a long trip in inclement weather (esp. rain); most of the chargers are not covered and it can be risky charging vehicle in rain.
Very valid and important points Ranjit, thanks for sharing. Am considering BE 6e, can relate to this. How about people who move cities every few years, i think EVs may not be a good option in that case
I was planning to buy Mahindra 6e , but now after you have video have gained some knowledge about charger and cons of ev charging real issues. Very useful for first time EV buyers. I think it's better to go with ICE
Don't go with ICE the experience of driving an EV is next level, but just make sure your charging situation is sorted then you will have an amazing experience with an EV.
Wrong decision. EVs are such a pleasure to drive. I have a nexon and 2 ICE cars and find myself using the nexon all the time. It’s simply a better experience.
We were planning to get it after seeing how amazing the Mahindra EVs look. But these points tell me it's a different kind of hassle, which is the last thing we want. We'll stick to Hycross I guess. Thank you
Hello sir, big fan of your videos, if possible, can you make a dedicated video for different power charging in EVs and how can someone setup AC charging stations in old societies.
Thank you for this video. Very few talk about these inside information, which is crucial to know before buying one. One question, is your 7.2kW charger 3-phase or single? DJI camera quality is also good, and stabilization is good, too 👍🏻 . The only thing I didn't like is that when you were filming while you were sitting, it constantly adjusted the frame to keep you in the center. If there is an option to turn that off, it would be great. That option is good when we are moving a lot and the camera is in one position, but in this case, I didn't like it.
@@geekyranjitbig fan sir, humbly sir india uses EU standard CCS2 port. Support upto 32A over 3 phase=22kw. porsche taycan port has 3 phase pins. Our nexon ev max port has 1 phase pins, 2 pins are missing. common onboard AC to HV DC converters in cars support upto 3.3kw=16A 1 phase 7.2kw=32A 1 phase 11kw=16A 3 phase + 1phase with stronger circuitry of 32A for 7.2kw 22kw=32A 3 phase
Hi Ranjit , I have Nexon EV 2023 MR (30KW) and I stay in Delhi. I charge my vehicle at home with standard 3.3 KW charger. I have experienced a drop in milage during the winters. Earlier The car with AC running used to consume 40% battery for a distance of 85Km (Which is my daily comute and majority of it is on Expressway) but from past 20 days when the ambient temperature has reduced to say 15 deg C , the car is consuming 45% battery with AC off for the same distance and same route. Further when if AC is on and set at temperature of 25 deg C , the battery consumption is more that 50%. Have you experience the same? Just wanted to check if this is normal or do I need to get the car checked with Tata Motors. Looking forward to hear from you. Also, I a big fan of you. Any tech I purchase, I only go by your reviews about that.
Nobody told about lfp battery and the other older type, the charger load capacity till now... Great content sir... Stay healthy & happy sir... Great work... the real OG ranjeet... Sir... You look more like kunal nayar who played rajesh kutrapalli in TBBT. ❤
It's not the DC fast charging that's actually harming the battery but the fast charging. The onboard charger in the EV converts the AC current to DC current whereas with DC fast charging the conversion happens outside, and is able to achieve much faster charging speeds.
Great Video Ranjit ! Would appreciate if you can make another video on the cost point of view. Like if a 40 KW battery of an EV is charged at home, how much units it consumes and then in a month if you charge 15 times, how much electricity bill will be charged. Secondly, when you get the load increased on your meter or you buy EV meter then the increased load also impacts the billing. I am pretty sure, after calculating all the charges per unit charging at home, EVs do not run on 1 or 2 rupees per KM. In my state, once i cross 300 units of monthly consumption, i pay around 8 rs/unit. 40 KW battery would consume 40 units per charge, so 320 Rs per 100% charge of an EV. Unfortunately, no one has ever made any video on this and am sure you would make it for us. Also if you increase KW capacity of your meter, there are some fixed charges like 100 Rs per KW per month.
It works out to around Rs 1 to 1.5 per km based on your electricity rate if you charge at home. But if you do DC fast charging it will be expensive close to 3 to 4 Rs per km as rate per unit for those chargers are very high. Personally for me that is also zero as my electricity is generated by my Solar plant.
DC charging is an emergency advantage, not a normal feature to be used on a regular basis. Think of it like this, having a battery bank for your phone is an emergency advantage but it doesn't mean you'll solely charge your phone from the power bank
@@raveendhana7084 I will give better example Home charging with slow charger is like mothers home cooked food, cheap, good for health and easily accessible whereas DCFC stations are like fast food joints which is costlier than home cooked meal, worse for health. someone eating purely from fast food joints won't be unalived outright but yes health will suffer. But you can incorporate some good habits into this process (gym etc) to recover the eating of fast food. In case of EV charging this habit is proper cell balancing by usage of slow charging (or by charging all the way to 100% on DCFC station) provided no one else is waiting in queue. IMHO, in indian highways the max you can drive in one day is about 1000km with single driver if EV has range of 400km like new BE6e or other cars like curvv 55 or zs ev, then you need three stops, one each for breakfast lunch dinner, which can coincide with charging stops. if one is driving more than 1000km per day, then one needs to use hotel to sleep, where you can request for slow charger 15A socket and offer nominal fee like extra 500 for charging up. Most hotels would gladly agree. some hotels already have dedicated slow charger for guests too (hilton, marriot, and few other also) so after doing 3 fast charging on highway, you will be able to do slow charging at night stop, so issue of balancing is solved again
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@@geekyranjit we are fans of your simplistic and real life approach to the videos
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Highly underrated video.
I've had doubts regarding this topic for some time now. Thanks for clarifying Ranjeet.
The most trusted guy in indian tech.. No un-necessary hype around any tech .. one can always rely on his reviews as he never favours any tech or brand . Gives the most honest review.
90% through this video, I thought it was a one-on-one conversation. Feels good.
EVs are a scam , imagine if everybody uses 7.5kw charger, how much load will it put on the grid, that is why in US also they have not been able to install fast chargers in not even 10% of the entire country in the last 20 years of EVs , forget about India, EVs are not going to succeed , it has already been rejected in US, sales have fallen by 50% , Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future , japanese Toyota was right , they had invested in hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid fuel cell cars from the start
Me too 😂
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Hope I get my bosses and colleagues like this in future
People watch lot of new Indian tech youtubers, but before actually buying you’ll watch that 1 Geekyranjit video to really be sure😂💯
So true
EVs are a scam , imagine if everybody uses 7.5kw charger, how much load will it put on the grid, that is why in US also they have not been able to install fast chargers in not even 10% of the entire country in the last 20 years of EVs , forget about India, EVs are not going to succeed , it has already been rejected in US, sales have fallen by 50% , Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future , japanese Toyota was right , they had invested in hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid fuel cell cars from the start
Sir you might not have as many views as other tech UA-camrs, but you've earned a ton of respect in the UA-cam community-that's something nobody can take away. I know people usually say this kind of stuff after someone quits, but we should tell you while you're still going strong. You're awesome, keep it up sir! ❤️
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I am an ev user for 1 year. I can see he is talking about genuine issues facing now for ev users
Yeah these things nobody tells and only after owing a eV you release the reality. I doubt any EV car manufactures or dealers will mention all this.
The only honest tech youtuber in India. I'm watching since my school days. Love you bhai
The topic that was never discussed anywhere. Awsome job Ranith!!
When we bought our MG ZS EV in 2021 the Dealer first denied booking as we had a single phase at home ( for MG ZS the 7.5 Kw charger is included in the cost) and we had to upgrade from single phase to 3 phase to which we dod before booking the car. Also ensured that the power lines from the pole to the house are a nice 10mm aluminum so that it dissipates heat much faster than a regular 4mm copper wiring when the 7.5 Kw charger is in use.
Yes we also did the same....Ask the electricity office to upgrade with 3 phase and install a charger for zs ev.
I'm more amazed by the home than of all the other things in this video. It would be great to get a home tour (technical or non-technical perspective).
I was searching for this too😂
Though these are fair points, in my opinion, the biggest anxiety for EV is not much about charging these days. People are more concerned about the overall battery life. How much is the battery going to degrade over the years is the key concern. Some authentic study is needed on this.
Battery Life of ev is more than the vehicle itself 😂
@@_Anurag_Thakur_ Lol, that's what companies are claiming, but nobody know how the reality is going to be like. Nearly 99% EVs in India are less than 5 years old, so there is no data available for long term battery life in Indian conditions.
Teslas that use the NMC batteries many of them now are over 10 years old and many of them run on the same battery, remember the degradation of NMC batteries is a lot more. The LFP batteries have a life easily 2-3 times more than NMC batteries, hence if you don't abuse your battery a LFP battery should last for the life time of a vehicle for normal users.
That's why Mahindra is now offer life time warranty for the new BE Ev's they launched those are blade LFP cells and have very high life, Tesla also had realized about LFP batteries hence the new Model 3 come with LFP batteries now.
@@rajeevrp1500 just search on yt you will get multiple examples of Evs which have driven 1-2lakh km in span of just 2-3years
in EV the cycles matter not the years of age. And cycles are incremented only by charging which will be done more often if you are driving so much that you clock 1 lakh km in 2 years
so age data is pointless, only odo matters and for that we already have conclusive evidence of even cheap and low tech Tata Evs having 90%+ SOH after lakhs of km of driving
@@geekyranjit That's a good info. Thank you sir.
4:35 AC charger is built into the vehicle, the plug in the wall is EVSE it’s a fancy extension box similar to stabilizer
Ok
I am not buying EV only because of flat In Mumbai, now I am shifting to Chandigarh with my own house 🏡🏠 on my own land.
EVs are a scam , imagine if everybody uses 7.5kw charger, how much load will it put on the grid, that is why in US also they have not been able to install fast chargers in not even 10% of the entire country in the last 20 years of EVs , forget about India, EVs are not going to succeed , it has already been rejected in US, sales have fallen by 50% , Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future , japanese Toyota was right , they had invested in hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid fuel cell cars from the start
Precise and to the point - no jazzy edits, vfx or cuts. And as usual, very nicely presented, on a very relevant topic. Looking at everything, I feel hybrids are the way forward in the near term at least, esp in an Indian context.
Adding a few points on charging infra based on my ownership of Nexon EV for about 2.5 years now
1. Earthing needs to be very well done for the charging point, ideally a dedicated earthing would help. Anything not well done means slower than expected time for charging
2. Stability of voltage has an impact on charging speed as well. Ensure a good heavy duty stabilised - an expense again.
3. Free installation includes limited length of wiring, anything far away from your electricity meter means additional expense for setup
4. Electricity meter/line 1-phase will not support, has to be upgraded to 3-phase. I had to get it done for the meter I intended to use at home.
5. The line capacity should also factory in current usage top limit. For ex. If you already have a 10 KW line but max usage hits close to 8KW then you have to upgrade the line to 15KW at least to use a 7.2 KW charger. Also, suggest adding some buffer considering more usage in summers.
6. Depletion of battery % depends on environment as well. Anything too cold or too hot means faster battery drain for same usage of vehicle.
7. Deep discharge of battery to 10% or below every 4 to 5 cycles helps maintain battery health is what I have been told by fellow EV owners and I have been following this (not sure how true this is though)
8. The best use case would be to have a dedicated AC charging point, if feasible.
9. Contrary to what most believe, charging infra on highways is already quite well built to ensure you make it to your destination but the main issue is with the number of chargers vs. number of vehicles intending to use them. Especially during peak hours.
All said and done, my go-to car to drive has been an EV and love driving it over any other ICE vehicle that I am eligible to drive :)
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Deep discharge has its pros and cons. Since none of us know the buffer in the BMS, it is better to charge whenever you feel uneasy about range in my case, that is usually at about 35% - 40%. Have not suffered any ill effects so far though have gone down to 20% or so a few times.
I generally let it go down below 25% charge before I charge, generally its between 15-20% most times but once every 4 odd months, I let it go down around 6-7% then charge it fully.
@@geekyranjit - you are a brave person! My generation, used to get so much gunk in fuel, that letting fuel gauge go below 25% was asking for trouble. I guess that habit persists. Also, how do you handle the limited performance mode once it drops below (I am not sure) 20% please?
And thanks very much for your updates and information on EVs.
As on date, if we assume Tata Motors and MG JSW India to be almost on par on sales, then the more interesting observation from my side is that for one company, EVs are about 5% of their sales and for the other EVs are about 40% of their sales.
And yet, dedicated EV workshops are few, and not too many on the horizon either.
Limited performance hits only at 10% as I said I try to charge it when it goes below 25% I had spoken to many ppl and some Tata tech ppl also they suggested not to charger it in the middle frequently like when its 50-60% let it go down quite a bit and then fully charge till 100% to get the best of these LFP battery that will give great life and range without much degradation.
This is an eye opener video for people who are planning to buy EVs based on the hype created. Thank you sir for helping with all the nuances.
It's not about AC or DC chager, because the output needs to be always DC. It's about fast or slow charging, because ultra fast charging (heavy charging current) weaken the battery.
Exactly what I was gonna comment.
8:28 DCFC doesn’t have significant negative impact on battery degradation. It’s very much closer to AC cycling extreme temperatures have a greater impact
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Thanks for watching, appreciate your support.
Once i voiced these problems among my friends. One guy who doesn't even know nothing about EV or a car defended our current infrastructure. I simply backed off because my energy is being wasted.
Thank you so much for giving an insight on the most crucial bits which not many discuss. You have one more subscriber today :)
Finally some one made this video. Thank you Sir. Love EVs
Hello Ranjit. Do you know about HV critical error issue in TATA EV's? I haven't come across this from Nexon or Punch owners, but saw several Tiago EV owners reporting it in social media, online forums etc. Users also reported this issue arises because of charging habits and replacing battery is the only solution.
Most genuine you tuber...Big salute Sir.
Excellent video sir, so many practical points you covered,which no other youtubers have omitted 👏
Very helpful, many thanks, and good advice. People looking at buying an EV in the typical urban apartment/society type of set-up should look into every aspect of home slow charging at 3.3 kW.
a) Load taking into account other electrical items at home
b) MCB, RCBO & wiring as well as earth
c) Increase in fixed monthly charges if electrical load is increased
On the other hand, more & more public chargers have the option of DC Fast Charging as well as AC Slow Charging. It is a good idea to DC Fast Charge till about 80%-85% and then do the rest on AC Slow Charging, if you have the patience.
Our Nexon EV (Generation 1) has been with us for about 27/28 months now, and we run a mix of slow & fast charging, and have never had a problem so far.
Another important point before buying an EV is to visit the dealer's workshop and check out the facilities for EV after sales and service support.
Enjoy your EV!!
A few things I want to mention here. Great insights from you, which no one is talking about. I worked on battery health; I can confirm you are right. Do not use a DC charger frequently; use it only when necessary. Many issues can happen because of DC charger battery health degradation, voltage offset, and fluctuation in range prediction. Before charging your EV, check the battery temperature. If it is high, do not charge it; let it cool down to 25°C, then plug in the charger.
Yeah that's the problem most ppl think that you can always just use DC fast charging, do small opportunity charge top ups etc also EV manufacturers or car dealers don't talk about the importance of regular AC charging. I noticed many TATA EV having Charging issues coz they do random charging, opportunity charging, don't charge it till full etc, but I feel it's not the consumers fault these brands don't explain them the importance of proper charging methods.
One doubt i have is if you are saying more fast charging will degrade the battery ,
Then can we say as of now with the current tech EVs are more suitable to cities
And for highways I always need to plan well if am doing long distance ?
Am In sales and my customer owning ev6 says he has the money and he cares more about doing the same time as a ice does the highways and ready to change the battery prematurely
Am I right ?
@@geekyranjit as per engineering explained videos on LFP and NMC charging practices, it is not a problem to fast charge regularly as the difference in battery life will be few hundred cycles only (at most 50K - 100K km difference) over the 5lakh+ km cycle life.
however the difference lies in the fact whether or not the EV has active or passive cell balancing, most cheap LFP EVs like tata have passive balancing ie the cell balancing only happens after battery is at 100%
whereas tesla LFP model 3/y have active balancing so it does not matter whether you charge to 100 or not, every type of charging whether dc or ac will do needful cell balancing even if you stop at 60, 70, 80 whatever soc you stop at.
So the only thing one needs to follow with indian EVs is to charge to 100 on AC whenever possible, especially if DCFC is being used frequently
if someone is buying byd atto3 level of LFP EV then no need to worry about all these technicalities.
now one hack to bypass this balancing issue is to charge to 100% at dcfc station as long as nobody else is waiting for charger etc. this way, the need for AC can be eliminated.
In my highway trips, I have followed this method and never faced any issue of balancing.
Yes tata EV's only do the cell balancing after its completed 95% of the charging the last 5% charge what it does and that takes quite a bit of time is actually cell balancing.
@@geekyranjit actually the cell balancing is not that straight forward. It doesnt really depend on the SoC (charge of the vehicle) SoC is something we show to the customers using sifferent type of smoothing techniques. Cell balancing happens in different stages. If i between the charging the cell deviation increases (min and max cell diff) to a certain level (this level defined by companies and cell manufacturer) then the algo starts the cell balancing. What happens are higher SoC is sometimes the max cell voltages reaches the peak voltage and the min cell voltage still catching up then the cell balancing starts. Also different companies use different charging algos. Some use pulsating charging algo, some use CC-CV algo etc.
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Thank you ever so much, Ranjeet Ji for telling us several very very important technical points which nobody, who has talked about EV cars, have told!!! Thanks a million, Sir!🙏🙏🙏
Great video ranjit sir. And yes, we have a long way to go for EV charging infra and core technologies.
But people, especially in urban areas should now start planning about the charging infra solutions in their residential societies for the sake of future proofing.
I remember buying my moto defy+ with his recommendation...
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Being a student of electrical n electronics engg glad someone is talking about this
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Why is this Legend who I grew up watching not have 30 million subscribers
A great point nobody is emphasizing enough. Thank you for such useful advice
Old subscriber here as well! Glad to see you're doing well now sir
Nice and must known information sir
Truly underrated ❤
This is very eye-opening information to me because I made the same mistake without thinking of the bigger picture when I bought an EV Car this week. However, with your insightful information, I can make it better.
I'll be looking for more of your experienced suggestions & information.
Thanks a lot 😇
Amazing points, haven't seen someone talking about the practical experience for ev car ownership
Nice informative video. All "influencers" are not youtubers like you. One of few genuine video about evs
Video quality is so good. Osmo pocket 3 seems fantastic. Great content too ❤
Such a practical video. Yes EVs are truly a hastle for flat owners. As an EV owner I am quite lucky to have own bunglow coz I have seen some of my friends struggle to get their EV charges and sometimes they charge at my home too..
I Prefer Simple & RAW But Informative videos any day.
this content ❤❤ not even car reviewers make. thanks ranjit! proud subscriber since 2014 ! 😊
Thank you, Ranjit Sir! You've addressed the EV issues, so righteous.
Always bringing the real deal knowledge. Ranjit means Trust
Another thing nobody talks about is the charging time it takes on the AC charger.. even the 7.2 KW takes about 8 hrs to fully charge the 55 KW battery.
This means no freedom, we have to always plan our travel in detail.
So for now, looks like EVs are better suited only as a second car for daily commute or for someone who doesn't like much travelling.
This was really an informative video about Ev's which even company persons use to never say keep on going with this kind of videos too 👍
The topic no other youtubers touch upon..thank u❤
Very informative video, really was not aware the pre-requirements of EV
Great video. Superb information extracted from real world experience. Thankyou 🙏🏼
One of the senior most you tuber i have seen
Your advise is as valuable as always. Really like these type to videos that you make to educate and advise us 😊
great video , authentic and valuable info, also what kind of auto tracking is being used in the latter half of the video?
Great video. Pl throw some light on the Rooftop Home solar charging infrastructure regarding with different battery capacity and charging loads.
Sir poco X7 Pro please
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This outdoor shot Video looks outstanding 😍. While you were walking and talking you were out of breath. I would suggest you to sit and talk outside. This is better than inside videos.
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Sir, I’m planning to purchase the new Mahindra XEV9E. However, I’m concerned about the electricity load. Our only 2 or 3 kWh meter connection may not be sufficient. I believe I need to apply for a capacity increase. From what I’ve heard, these new Mahindra cars come with an 11kWh charger.
Thank you for creating such informative videos.
I remember seeing your video way back when u bought Nexon EV and it just feels sometime recent...but its already 2 years wow 🙂
Yes AC is best for batteries...Great insights about EV and charging....Personally i want to say i really love newly windsor ev.😁😁
Real Geeky stuff, cheers👌🏼
One of the best made practical videos on EVs ❤
Great points about charging infra but another factor to consider is the resale value of EVs.
A lot of the knowledge that i have gained about tech was beacuse of you, keep going man, much love.
I have been following you more than 10 years sir, you never disappoint with your content ❤
This is a very good Video indeed Ranjith. The important thing is that, we energy meters which are 3Ph 10A per phase. In such a case the single phase socket can provide a max of 2.2kva. Not sure of this, if the chargers comes with 3ph options, even if that's the case you can get only abou 6.6kva , assuming no other load is connected. So it's a real big problem you have highlighted
Upto 7.2 Kva chargers are single phase, above that for example 11Kva AC chargers require 3 phase charging support.
Great Info Ranjit Sir, was very much needed...👍
Great Mr ranjeeth.u have given me a good insight.
Pool-in and install one or two 3rd party 7.4kw charger in a common place so that everyone can charge it by money. If can pool more money, install solar panels also, so that it will be almost free.
People are not very good at collaboration and collective ownership.
Good conversation sir, would also like to bring up the poor reliability of Tata cars in general. Don’t think you have experienced it, but the amount of minor issues is way too much. I have been a Tata EV owner for about 3.5 years, and even now the new Tata curvs etc I have seen with that front tube light not working is quite remarkable. Other brands I’m not so sure.
Great info! Wish you had touched upon hybrids as well. The charging dos and donuts for hybrids.
Thanks for the genuine review as always 🙏
Thank you Sir. This video is eye opening and I learned something today. Such information is often overseen when making the purchase.
Yeah most people are not aware of these things about EV and only get to know after they get the car and then they get frustrated.
One more point, long trips with EV would require some planning. We must plan to have sufficient range to cover at least 2 charging locations. I have personally faced this situation where I had to go to second location as the first one went down suddenly.
And also, it is not advised to go on a long trip in inclement weather (esp. rain); most of the chargers are not covered and it can be risky charging vehicle in rain.
Very valid and important points Ranjit, thanks for sharing. Am considering BE 6e, can relate to this. How about people who move cities every few years, i think EVs may not be a good option in that case
In a flat, 50 people have 50 evs, with 5 charging points at common area even not sufficient. It's crazy crazy to go for ev in that case
Thanks for all the information 👍🏻 these things in detail no one will tell you 👍🏻
I was planning to buy Mahindra 6e , but now after you have video have gained some knowledge about charger and cons of ev charging real issues. Very useful for first time EV buyers. I think it's better to go with ICE
Don't go with ICE the experience of driving an EV is next level, but just make sure your charging situation is sorted then you will have an amazing experience with an EV.
Wrong decision. EVs are such a pleasure to drive. I have a nexon and 2 ICE cars and find myself using the nexon all the time. It’s simply a better experience.
We were planning to get it after seeing how amazing the Mahindra EVs look. But these points tell me it's a different kind of hassle, which is the last thing we want.
We'll stick to Hycross I guess.
Thank you
Very Helpful video. Most Of the doubts cleared ..Thank you
Thankyou so much for sharing this valuable information which is coming directly from a real user with honest experiences 👌🏻🙏🏻
To the point video..! Something i look forward to when i clicked on it...!🙌
Excellent video...honest and crisp
Very informative ranjith sir. Thank you
Hello sir, big fan of your videos, if possible, can you make a dedicated video for different power charging in EVs and how can someone setup AC charging stations in old societies.
Thank you for this video. Very few talk about these inside information, which is crucial to know before buying one.
One question, is your 7.2kW charger 3-phase or single?
DJI camera quality is also good, and stabilization is good, too 👍🏻 . The only thing I didn't like is that when you were filming while you were sitting, it constantly adjusted the frame to keep you in the center. If there is an option to turn that off, it would be great. That option is good when we are moving a lot and the camera is in one position, but in this case, I didn't like it.
The 7.2Kw charger is single phase, all these AC fast chargers are single phase.
@@geekyranjit Ok, thank you 😃
@@geekyranjitbig fan sir, humbly sir india uses EU standard CCS2 port. Support upto 32A over 3 phase=22kw. porsche taycan port has 3 phase pins. Our nexon ev max port has 1 phase pins, 2 pins are missing.
common onboard AC to HV DC converters in cars support upto
3.3kw=16A 1 phase
7.2kw=32A 1 phase
11kw=16A 3 phase + 1phase with stronger circuitry of 32A for 7.2kw
22kw=32A 3 phase
Hi Ranjit , I have Nexon EV 2023 MR (30KW) and I stay in Delhi. I charge my vehicle at home with standard 3.3 KW charger. I have experienced a drop in milage during the winters. Earlier The car with AC running used to consume 40% battery for a distance of 85Km (Which is my daily comute and majority of it is on Expressway) but from past 20 days when the ambient temperature has reduced to say 15 deg C , the car is consuming 45% battery with AC off for the same distance and same route. Further when if AC is on and set at temperature of 25 deg C , the battery consumption is more that 50%. Have you experience the same? Just wanted to check if this is normal or do I need to get the car checked with Tata Motors.
Looking forward to hear from you.
Also, I a big fan of you. Any tech I purchase, I only go by your reviews about that.
Nobody told about lfp battery and the other older type, the charger load capacity till now... Great content sir... Stay healthy & happy sir... Great work... the real OG ranjeet... Sir... You look more like kunal nayar who played rajesh kutrapalli in TBBT. ❤
Glad you liked it, it's important to know about these things before you buy an EV.
thank you ranjit sir for making these videos. i really like your videos.
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It's not the DC fast charging that's actually harming the battery but the fast charging. The onboard charger in the EV converts the AC current to DC current whereas with DC fast charging the conversion happens outside, and is able to achieve much faster charging speeds.
Great Video Ranjit ! Would appreciate if you can make another video on the cost point of view. Like if a 40 KW battery of an EV is charged at home, how much units it consumes and then in a month if you charge 15 times, how much electricity bill will be charged. Secondly, when you get the load increased on your meter or you buy EV meter then the increased load also impacts the billing.
I am pretty sure, after calculating all the charges per unit charging at home, EVs do not run on 1 or 2 rupees per KM. In my state, once i cross 300 units of monthly consumption, i pay around 8 rs/unit. 40 KW battery would consume 40 units per charge, so 320 Rs per 100% charge of an EV. Unfortunately, no one has ever made any video on this and am sure you would make it for us. Also if you increase KW capacity of your meter, there are some fixed charges like 100 Rs per KW per month.
It works out to around Rs 1 to 1.5 per km based on your electricity rate if you charge at home.
But if you do DC fast charging it will be expensive close to 3 to 4 Rs per km as rate per unit for those chargers are very high.
Personally for me that is also zero as my electricity is generated by my Solar plant.
Great and informative video...thanks ❤
Top notch information and thanks for sharing
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Thank you for the information. Very helpful.
DC charging is an emergency advantage, not a normal feature to be used on a regular basis.
Think of it like this, having a battery bank for your phone is an emergency advantage but it doesn't mean you'll solely charge your phone from the power bank
So what about people who hit the highways regularly?
@@raveendhana7084 I will give better example
Home charging with slow charger is like mothers home cooked food, cheap, good for health and easily accessible
whereas DCFC stations are like fast food joints which is costlier than home cooked meal, worse for health.
someone eating purely from fast food joints won't be unalived outright but yes health will suffer. But you can incorporate some good habits into this process (gym etc) to recover the eating of fast food.
In case of EV charging this habit is proper cell balancing by usage of slow charging (or by charging all the way to 100% on DCFC station) provided no one else is waiting in queue.
IMHO, in indian highways the max you can drive in one day is about 1000km with single driver
if EV has range of 400km like new BE6e or other cars like curvv 55 or zs ev, then you need three stops, one each for breakfast lunch dinner, which can coincide with charging stops.
if one is driving more than 1000km per day, then one needs to use hotel to sleep, where you can request for slow charger 15A socket and offer nominal fee like extra 500 for charging up. Most hotels would gladly agree. some hotels already have dedicated slow charger for guests too (hilton, marriot, and few other also)
so after doing 3 fast charging on highway, you will be able to do slow charging at night stop, so issue of balancing is solved again