This is a perfect example of why it is just as important to practice as a group as it is to practice on your own. When you practice on your own, you learn your own part; when you practice with a group, you learn everyone else’s part and how yours fits into everyone else’s. If you can play your part really well but it doesn’t work with the other parts, it’s not going to end well.
If you have participated in festival as an individual player, not as a member of a ready ensemble, you would know how little amount of rehearsals for each piece is designated. It is a problem of all festivals. But it gives a certain freedom to the performance, like we don’t have to play perfectly together.
The slight bang at 6:09 when listening in my headphones.... gosh I thought something had broken in another room of the house. The recording quality is THAT good!
Great individual players, very beautiful committed performance - on the other hand a top string quartet that has worked on this together for many years (such as the Fitzwilliam or the Borodin) achieves a much more cohesive sound which adds another dimension.
@@abigailcrossman3373yeah usually I’d say that uncoherence is better for this piece. But this isn’t really “artistic incoherence”. My favorite rendition personally is by the David Oistrakh quartet at the Musicflorjerden festival
Such control loves all the strings players. Also mischa maisky he just doesn't age. Love him he plays great cello very expressive n emotional. 🤭❤️. PAGE TURN OH NO 8:13 WEW GOT IT 8:15
Agree. There’s so much musical ability and it’s great to watch, but not a patch on an established quartets interpretation. It somehow lacks the musical coherence.
What a wonderful playing of this music! But I alsio have a thought about this music and how is reflects our history: I think this is about how we all went wrong. We had it in our hands, the solution that would bring peace to us, but then it slipped away, and instead we now have to regret our mistakes. And our lamentation can sound like this. Our mistakes are already history, but the music about it still exists. And what music! At least we have this wonderful music.
its more so they didn’t have time to practice this piece together. all of them have probably played this piece a lot and are just focused on the text so they can follow each other. it is not a “spectacularly” good performance in terms of them being together and feeling like one, but at least the feeling is there 😅
These are brilliant players, and with Shostakovich’s 8th quartet they have chosen a piece worthy of their talents. They acquit themselves in spectacular fashion in the second movement, attacking it with athletic zeal. The first movement is not so physically demanding, but I wish they might have dug a little more deeply into its musical sense. It is doleful enough but desultory, hard to tell where they want it to go. Borodin comes across the same way. All that opening gloom feels pointless unless they sustain a distinct tension between the sweet lyrical melody and its somber, prayerful background. I recommend the Jerusalem Quartet. Try them to compare. Plus they offer the whole piece.
Thats the worst example to follow for classical chamber music players... They were maybe sight reading... they are often not together... They plays in very different ways with different intentions, sounds and color... Maisky missed the end of 2nd movement (around min 9.43 - ua-cam.com/video/FLkP1h9rmEI/v-deo.html)... They are four players that simply plays not together as a professional quartet should do... as often happened in those "all star" meeting: anyone is too concentrate to himself.
Yes exactly what I was thinking about. Overall they started in different tempo and all the time someone was rushing or messing up with tempos and others couldn’t catch him. Vengerov was always behind and Rysanov was rushing ahahah it’s a mess overall Great performers but this performance wasn’t good at all (
Great players individually, but not at all suited to playing this piece together. I feel like each of them is competing with the others for my ear, instead of playing as part of a cohesive ensemble.
another performance of the end of this work that i think shows the frustration and hopelessness of living under the soviet government control. - ua-cam.com/video/Vv3ghWE2txg/v-deo.html
Los cuatro son solistas maravillosos, lastimosamente no hay un buen trabajo en equipo, ya que, todos están entrenados para tocar como solistas y no como un conjunto en cuarteto. Esto se demuestra con diferentes fallos en el interpretación, tales como: • Poca unió en el cuarteto mucha demostración de solismo por parte de los ejecutantes. •errores en el tempo, ya que, cada quien lleva uno diferente al no ponerse de acuerdo y querer hacer cada uno una interpretación solista. Ej: 7:33-7:41 violoncello y viola descordinados, 7:54-8:00 violín 1 y 2 descordinados. • accelerandos super exagerados al rededor de toda la obra por parte de cada uno de los integrantes. En resumidas cuentas, una de las peores interpretaciones del cuarteto No 8 de Shostachovich.
Puede que no tuviesen mucho tiempo para ensamblar como cuarteto y encontrar un sonido acorde a lo que son, los errores que usted menciona son ciertos hasta cierto punto. Pero decir que es una de las PEORES VERSIONES, creo que son palabras mayores para una persona como usted que no tiene los huevos para tocar así y probablemente no pueda ni llegar a tocar al 50% de lo que ellos tocan ahí. Saludos
@@zitherdavidcadenaramirez1213 ni al caso tú comentario, definitivamente es de las peores presentaciones, los cuatro músicos son excelentes solistas, adoro a Rachlin pero definitivamente aquí no hay buena organización ni coordinación como cuarteto, ELLOS ESTÁN ACOSTUMBRADOS A TRABAJAR COMO SOLISTAS, lo.digo como estudiante de música hace ya años y cuando uno es ignorante en estos temas o no se tienen estudios en ello, es muy difícil poder ver los errores en interpretaciones cómo estás, y no, no es tener "huevos" para tocar así, es tener todo el tiempo, dedicación y paciencia del mundo, para estudiar esa técnica y desarrollarla con el transcurso de los años. Sí quiere ver una verdadera buena presentación de esta obra, cheque la del Cuarteto Scher o el Cuarteto de Rachlind and Friends (con Janine Jansen, Mischa Maisky y Rachlin). De nada.
The raw power of these four world-class musicians is unmatchable
This is a perfect example of why it is just as important to practice as a group as it is to practice on your own. When you practice on your own, you learn your own part; when you practice with a group, you learn everyone else’s part and how yours fits into everyone else’s. If you can play your part really well but it doesn’t work with the other parts, it’s not going to end well.
If you have participated in festival as an individual player, not as a member of a ready ensemble, you would know how little amount of rehearsals for each piece is designated. It is a problem of all festivals. But it gives a certain freedom to the performance, like we don’t have to play perfectly together.
The slight bang at 6:09 when listening in my headphones.... gosh I thought something had broken in another room of the house. The recording quality is THAT good!
Great individual players, very beautiful committed performance - on the other hand a top string quartet that has worked on this together for many years (such as the Fitzwilliam or the Borodin) achieves a much more cohesive sound which adds another dimension.
Completely agree. Just listened to the Borodin playing this and it has so much more musical coherence.
@@abigailcrossman3373yeah usually I’d say that uncoherence is better for this piece. But this isn’t really “artistic incoherence”. My favorite rendition personally is by the David Oistrakh quartet at the Musicflorjerden festival
Such control loves all the strings players. Also mischa maisky he just doesn't age. Love him he plays great cello very expressive n emotional. 🤭❤️. PAGE TURN OH NO 8:13 WEW GOT IT 8:15
Everyone is fighting to be the soloist
😭😭😭😭facts
Rysanovs bow control is outstanding! I want to play like him!
I actually never watched this clip! Maestro Vengerov playing a string quartet, so impressed rn
4 soloists playing a string quartet
Agree. There’s so much musical ability and it’s great to watch, but not a patch on an established quartets interpretation. It somehow lacks the musical coherence.
It shows =)))
This is what we have wanted Shostakovich's works to be.
Yep!😂
Indeed, 4 musicians in 4 different tempo (someone always behind while someone always rushing
Миллион миллионов лайков!
Лучший квартет в мире.❤
exquisite
can confirm
What a wonderful playing of this music! But I alsio have a thought about this music and how is reflects our history:
I think this is about how we all went wrong. We had it in our hands, the solution that would bring peace to us, but then it slipped away, and instead we now have to regret our mistakes. And our lamentation can sound like this. Our mistakes are already history, but the music about it still exists. And what music! At least we have this wonderful music.
Goosebumps!
Did they even rehearsal??? I think they're sightreading
its more so they didn’t have time to practice this piece together. all of them have probably played this piece a lot and are just focused on the text so they can follow each other. it is not a “spectacularly” good performance in terms of them being together and feeling like one, but at least the feeling is there 😅
Beautiful
Спасибо большое за видео !!!!!
A really masterpiece! You're Amazing ❤
its GREAT GREAT!!!!!
6:58
Wow, give me two more to go
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Not an easy piece to play even for these legendary pros. Misha was pissed with himself for missing the end.
Xoroshiy primer Togo, kak ne sleduet igrat' quartetom
Думали сейчас пошпилят и квартетом😀, не тут то было... хорошо,что доковыляли
These are brilliant players, and with Shostakovich’s 8th quartet they have chosen a piece worthy of their talents. They acquit themselves in spectacular fashion in the second movement, attacking it with athletic zeal. The first movement is not so physically demanding, but I wish they might have dug a little more deeply into its musical sense. It is doleful enough but desultory, hard to tell where they want it to go. Borodin comes across the same way. All that opening gloom feels pointless unless they sustain a distinct tension between the sweet lyrical melody and its somber, prayerful background. I recommend the Jerusalem Quartet. Try them to compare. Plus they offer the whole piece.
Thats the worst example to follow for classical chamber music players... They were maybe sight reading... they are often not together... They plays in very different ways with different intentions, sounds and color... Maisky missed the end of 2nd movement (around min 9.43 - ua-cam.com/video/FLkP1h9rmEI/v-deo.html)... They are four players that simply plays not together as a professional quartet should do... as often happened in those "all star" meeting: anyone is too concentrate to himself.
Yes exactly what I was thinking about. Overall they started in different tempo and all the time someone was rushing or messing up with tempos and others couldn’t catch him. Vengerov was always behind and Rysanov was rushing ahahah it’s a mess overall
Great performers but this performance wasn’t good at all (
Also on 7:53 violins are one bar too early.
7:55 Did they even fucking practice?!!
9:44 fail Maisky
This is the only thing u remember from the whole performance ?
✨
even maisky make big mastakes,but he is the trully master!
En verdad la arman en un par de sitios
That dude's hair, tho'.
Интересно сели ... Но и записано хорошо , об'емно
...Но это не '21 год,конечно,а гораздо раньше.
beat drop 6:57
Oops!
Great players individually, but not at all suited to playing this piece together. I feel like each of them is competing with the others for my ear, instead of playing as part of a cohesive ensemble.
another performance of the end of this work that i think shows the frustration and hopelessness of living under the soviet government control. -
ua-cam.com/video/Vv3ghWE2txg/v-deo.html
Los cuatro son solistas maravillosos, lastimosamente no hay un buen trabajo en equipo, ya que, todos están entrenados para tocar como solistas y no como un conjunto en cuarteto.
Esto se demuestra con diferentes fallos en el interpretación, tales como:
• Poca unió en el cuarteto mucha demostración de solismo por parte de los ejecutantes.
•errores en el tempo, ya que, cada quien lleva uno diferente al no ponerse de acuerdo y querer hacer cada uno una interpretación solista. Ej: 7:33-7:41 violoncello y viola descordinados, 7:54-8:00 violín 1 y 2 descordinados.
• accelerandos super exagerados al rededor de toda la obra por parte de cada uno de los integrantes.
En resumidas cuentas, una de las peores interpretaciones del cuarteto No 8 de Shostachovich.
9:44 Maisky pasa de largo jajajaja.
@@raulcelismaturana8637 tienes razón jajajaja, que error tan notorio.
Puede que no tuviesen mucho tiempo para ensamblar como cuarteto y encontrar un sonido acorde a lo que son, los errores que usted menciona son ciertos hasta cierto punto. Pero decir que es una de las PEORES VERSIONES, creo que son palabras mayores para una persona como usted que no tiene los huevos para tocar así y probablemente no pueda ni llegar a tocar al 50% de lo que ellos tocan ahí.
Saludos
@@zitherdavidcadenaramirez1213 ni al caso tú comentario, definitivamente es de las peores presentaciones, los cuatro músicos son excelentes solistas, adoro a Rachlin pero definitivamente aquí no hay buena organización ni coordinación como cuarteto, ELLOS ESTÁN ACOSTUMBRADOS A TRABAJAR COMO SOLISTAS, lo.digo como estudiante de música hace ya años y cuando uno es ignorante en estos temas o no se tienen estudios en ello, es muy difícil poder ver los errores en interpretaciones cómo estás, y no, no es tener "huevos" para tocar así, es tener todo el tiempo, dedicación y paciencia del mundo, para estudiar esa técnica y desarrollarla con el transcurso de los años.
Sí quiere ver una verdadera buena presentación de esta obra, cheque la del Cuarteto Scher o el Cuarteto de Rachlind and Friends (con Janine Jansen, Mischa Maisky y Rachlin).
De nada.
The coordination is unfortunately horrible
Not an expert but this is not good.