270 Winchester Long Range Test (165 ABLR)
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- In this video I show the results of taking my 1in10 twist 270 Winchester loaded with the 165 gr ABLR bullet. Many believe this bullet will not stabilize in a 1in10 twist rifle. Let's find out if it does. We were shooting metal targets at 770 yards.
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I am one of those who in the previous video told you to try at 400+ yards , its nice to know that the 270 win is still alive 💪🏻
I know for a fact the .270 win is underated in 2023. I look forward to this video!
Funny you say too easy with the 6.5 PRC...the 270 actually outperforms the 6.5 PRC out to 800 yds. People just all bought into the 6.5 hype and gave up on the ol 270 win. With some Rldr 26 and a 8 twist barrel the 270 win will surprise a lot of people. Good video.
Well the 6.5 PRC off camera struggled on the smaller plate
Browning has a 26” barrel 270 with 1 in 7.5” twist.
Thats what I would be buying right now if I wasn’t buying all the bitcoin I can.
@@YotacivBitcoin🤣🤣🤣 Good one.
270 Win, 26" barrel for the Win, any day!
Browning 270 Win, 26" barrel gets it done !
If you check the specs on the Browning X-Bolt Speed LR and the X-Bolt Hell's Canyon Max LR, you'll notice that you not only get the 7 1/2 twist but you also get a 26" barrel on both versions, as opposed to the standard 24" of other .270 Winchesters. Yet another game changer for the .270 Winchester.
The real gunsmith said "a 270 Winchester is damn near a magnum with a 26" barrel"... If guys are getting 3k with a 165 that's going to be one of the "best out west" guns!
@@jackbuendgen389 Yes you have reason!
@@jackbuendgen389I watch Randy Selby as well. Awesome info from him. Brownings max long range sounds awesome
The 28 Was flipping the steel.. now that’s some energy..IF you need it, but I’m always impressed with the 270 Winchester
Good shooting. Those savage can be dang accurate for the money. Good stuff 👍🏻
I have my grandpa's. 270, it is great! I have hunted elk with it twice and filled my tag both times.
When I started elk hunting (I live in Utah) I chose a .270 win in a Browning Abolt. Several .270’s were used in our elk camp to harvest our elk. Bear in mind that resident tags were spike tags with the odd bonus cow permit. I have harvested Colorado elk with the .270 as well; 130 gr Partitions at 3000 fps work very well.
Well well well.....not surprised at all. Excellent shooting! Price point and availability of the .270 win? Another surprise for the viewers perhaps? Stay tuned......
I bet these heavy 165 gr .270's are pricey as hell
Great vid. great shooting, but what I liked the most was the easily observable difference in energy levels on target. That 243 looked like .22 LR out there 😂
Haha yeah
😁 Austin, Your Quickly Becoming the "Go To" 270 Winchester Channel! 😂
Pretty soon he’ll have a 300 Weatherby for sale Ron! lol 😂
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👨⚖ Truthfully, If I Were to Buy Another Magnum Rifle, It Would Be The...270 Winchester! 😂 Just Kidding...It Would Be the 300 WBY Magnum! 🤑 It Has Proven Itself All Around The Globe, Against the Biggest of Game Animals That I Will Likely Ever Shoot and Gets The Performance Advertised! 🎯 It is Truely An Impressive Cartridge! 🏆
I’ve never owned a Weatherby cartridge. I owned a 300 Winchester magnum for a while when I was younger but didn’t see a lot of upside from the 30/06 for the extra recoil I was getting 🤷🏻♂️
🤕 Yep, to me it just isn't worth the Additional Recoil and I've owned Alot Bigger Magnums than the 300 WM, but haven't noticed alot of difference in the results on the "expiration time" of the animals! And, I have taken Elk to over 500 yards and Deer to 850 yards with it! So, to me, the 30-06 is as Big as a Cartridge as I will "Ever Need" to hunt with, regarding North American Big Game Animals! Plus, the Tolerable Recoil Lends Itself to Shooting Accuracy! The same could also be said of the 30-06's "Offspring" too - Very Pleasant to Shoot and Very Effective on Game Animals! 😃
I own 2 270 Win rifles, a 6.8 Western, and a 270 WSM. Your video encouraged me to try the 165 Nosler Long range Accubonds in all four guns. I was surprised that the gun that shot the best was the Winchester Model 70 270 Win. My 270WSM did not stabilize the 165's. I shot a .36 in three shot group with the 1 in 10 twist 270 Win. I could not believe it.
What elevation are you at? Elevation plays a very large roll in getting them to stabilize
350 ft above sea level
Thanks for this video! I won't be shooting at game at 775 yds but I will be loading these bullets in my old 270.
Did you ever have any success??
Just got some 165s to try in my 270 WBY Ruger NO 1 ( factory chambered ) . Will give you a report when I can get some loaded and get out to the range ! Thanks for making me aware of this bullet !…….
Keep me updated
Wow that was a great video. What was your dope? I just bought some 165 ABLR. My rifle is a x-bolt with a 26 inch barrrel. I hope I can get it to shoot for me. The Nosler 140 gr ballistic tip shoots 3/4” MOA all the time. Thanks for sharing. I think we should go shooting sometime.
Use H4831SC. I don't remember my Dope
IF My favorite was not the 7mm Mag, I would probably be shooting the 270. Maybe a 7.0 PRC. I shoot the 160 Nosler Partition and would probably use it in the 270. You are young and maybe only vaguely heard of Jack O'Conner. He made the 270 famous before your time. So you can believe it is a top choice round. Another point, the PRC's which my grand daughter has the 6.5 is just an advertising operation. I do not mean to slight the PRC's, they are as good as claims. I just mean the old long case rounds have been doing any thing the PRC's can do for a long time. Maybe the factory's never talked about it but the reloaders know and do it all the time. Here is an example: I had her shooting the 6.5 and finally realized it was only flying at 2960 fps with 143 gr ELG. I told her my mag was doing 3150 with 160 gr Nosler and I had lower pressures. That is why so many elk hunters choose the 7mm Mag. So I called my old bud to see if he was ready to let go his tried and true Remington 700, 7 Mag for one of my Grandsons. So thanks for your video, it was good and made me think about all those elk we chased over the years.
Great shooting, keep an eye out for some magpro or tubal 8000 for your 270, they both work wonders for accuracy and velocity havent tried the 165 accubonds yet but the 160 partition is what my daughter shoots for elk in her 270
I didn't know Nosler was still making the 160 partition I have only saw them in the 150 grain
Always loved my 7MM mag,but lately fell in 💕 with my 308,s and 270,s
I think it I interesting that all this new cartridge development and the old 270 is stilll right there with the new calibers. It’s simple. Lots of powder and a high bc bullet works for long range
I'm having a 270 win barrel made in a 1:8 twist. Excited to try these bullets.
Nice
Thanks for the video. I just got one of my barrels picked up at Brux when I traveled through in Lodi a few days ago. I got a #3 270 in 9.5 twist this go around and will get a 8.5 twist next time. I don't see any need for a faster twist with a 165 ABLR bullet when you're getting those results with a 10 twist
Your rifle will be just fine
Mark & same after work has done a lot of work with the 270 win
2900 velocity with berger 170 i thank
Only calibre I grab during deer and bear season.
Enjoyed the video
Thanks
I remember when Nosler made a 160 grain partition for 270......wish they still did. This 165 would be welcomed by me.
That’s some good shooting for a savage in 270 win. The 165 helps the 270 and I wonder if it will stabilize in all the 270 rifles .
I think it stabilizes enough... should be okay with all rifles
@@ReloadingWeatherby thx. I might try some someday.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@ReloadingWeatherby Also a great cartridge! ;)
Boiling mirage told me that no windage adjustment necessary.
Only getting the correct elevation for the distance. Next comes getting parallax dialed out of the equation. You now have your firng solution only if it is on flat ground, not shooting uphill or downhill.
. It's all going to change because of the angles involved, and distances.
Great video. Gonna have to break out the old Abolt medallion and give the lobg bullets a try.
Great to se that the 'good old' .270 can work well, as soon as you can get high BC bullets, instead of 'Moose shooters' ;-)
OTOH, 'moose shooters' bring home the meat!!
My Dad shot moose and elk really reliable with .270 Husqvarna, year after year...
Only downside I ever found to the ABLR was some rifles are just picky with it. You may have a real shooter of a rifle, but no matter what the load data is, some rifles just don’t shoot them at acceptable long ranges. For the average hunter, a 1.5 MOA group is sufficient at normal hunting ranges. But this belies the “long range” potential of the bullet’s intended design and usage. Overall it’s a great bullet. But it’s not always within reach to try hundreds of dollars worth of different powders to find that “just right” loading.
I've heard it can be a picky bullet. Hasn't been the case with my rifle. As I said I'm getting below Half MOA with it.
You just have to load short. The ablr likes jump. Really likes jump! 😂 start at .070 and don’t be surprised if you end up at .120-.150 off the lands. They’ll drive tacks, but it seems they have to be under .005 which is not a good idea for hunting, or way out there in weatherby land.
Name Change: Reloading 270 Winchester
Haha no
See...😂
Impressed me so much I’m liking it I have a mossberg patriot with a 1:10 I’m wanting to get some of them bullets
Do it
When you see the mirage stop going horizontal, then you shoot. You can learn to read the mirage in your scope to tell how much windage factor when you're shooting. When the mirage is boiling, or going straight up, there's no adjustment necessary for windage, not elevation.
700 yards with a 400 doller rifle that’s great
*300 dollar rifle
Thanks for testing this, I’ve been curious about all these new high BC .277 bullets! There is a pretty big window where a bullet is marginally stabile, at least enough to be predictable/consistent but BC is compromised to the point where you’d be better off shooting a bullet more appropriate for your twist rate. I’m curious what the adjusted BC was after you trued your drops?
The bullet was flatter than I thought. Initial shots were high. It could have been that I was off with velocity... data called for 18 MOA. I found success at 17 MOA.
Great shooting
Thanks
😃 I Think That NOW Would Be A Good Time To Change Your Name To "Reloading 270"! 🤠 It Has A Nicer Ring To It! 😜
How do you know this is a positive video for the 270 Win?
🤷♂️ I don't and never said that! But, I'm Not Going to be shooting at 700 yards either and that isn't the reason that I want to shoot the 165 grain Nosler ABLR's out of My 270 Winchester! I think the 165 grain bullet would be a "Great Timber Elk Load"! For open country, I have already found that the 150 grain Nosler ABLR bullet will shoot a 1 1/4" 5 shot group, at 300 yards, out of my hunting rifle - without me even "fine tuning it" yet! 🥳 Thus, that combination will be pretty hard to beat! 🤑
🤷♂️ Don't You Like My "Name Change" Suggestion? 😂
@@ronlowney4700 No. Haha
🕵️♂️ There Are more 270 Fans Out There Than Weatherby Fans...So,, If You Want to "Grow the Brand", Then You've Got to Know Your Audience! 😃
Good video!
It was surprisingly stable and accurate.
Maybe it is just Hornady Hype???
I think I’ll try some high Bc bullets in my 6mm rem. 1-9 twist 24 in barrel
Go for it
I love this rifle
Evening Man!
Hi!
Just saw this. Wowza per say as I have a friend who has the newer Savage High Country in 270. With the minimal success of the 6.8 Western - THIS - may truly help.
Would you please post the velocity of your rounds with different powders now????
@reploading weatherby
2700 FPS up to 2800 FPS with the 165 gr ABLR depending on powder.
@@ReloadingWeatherby - I was hoping for a bit faster. Thinking this puts us in the 308 space with a 165.
@@steverutkowski8141 Has a lot higher b.c. though
I built a 270-win with a 26" 1-8, twist barrrel . It will shoot a 170 gr Berger EOL at 2,900 fps with RL26 It rocks a 6.5 prc., a 165 a ABRL, probably 2,950 fps.
Nice
Yeah, back in my longer range days, I mostly shot a lighter weight 270 as a plinker and for coyote with a downloaded load using 130 gr bullets. Had a buddy that was a national level benchrest competitor and he worked up a load for a heavier Remington Police 270 using 150 Gr SSTs with either 4350 or 4831. Just under 2700. This was years ago, before these newer bullets. Furthest I could ever shoot was 670 yards but with little wind and even less caffeine, we/he could regularly get 4" groups. I don't think I ever shot under 5". Definitely do-able. Great vid. Took me back!
Thanks for watching!
Very nice! I am a .270 Win. man. So, what was your load recipe?
I'm using H4831SC
The .270 Win with 10" twist will "marginally" stabilize the bullet. No surprise it works, at least for me. The stability factor should be around 1.2-1.3 (1.0 is the bare minimum below which it gets totally unstable and 1.5 or more is 100% stable). Let's say it's 1.25. There is no limit on the high side but exaggerated spinning might bring negative side effects at longer range. 1.25 stability factor is referred to standard weather conditions at sea level: 59F , 29.92 in. of Hg and 78% humidity. It generally improves with altitude or stay more or less the same in very hostile conditions. The stability factor is not just a number but it is function of velocity and as the latter decreases with distance (while the rotational speed barely changes) it will increase and will soon be above the 1.5 threshold for full stability. This will happen in a space of less than 100 yards in your case, I would guess. The disadvantage of not achieving full stability at the muzzle is that the net effect is a loss in BC: the further away it's from the 1.5 value the more the BC is decreased. Bryan Litz points this out quite clearly in his articles and books. Also the Hornady online ballistic calculator shows this very clearly. It will decrease by some %. With 1:9" (as recommended by Nosler) the stability factor for 165 ABLR will be safely above 1.5 in any condition and one will take full advantage of the 0.62 BC. A super-classic example of bullet that has been used with success (in millions) in the same conditions as the .270Win with 10" test and 165 ABLR , or even worse, is the 55 grain flat base soft point bullet in 14" twist .222 Rem. That has always worked great.
My stability factor is 1.41. I shoot at high elevation.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Then your BC will drop by 2-3%. Very usable if you can make it group decently. The 150 ABLR works great too., especially if you can launch it at 2900 fps.
@@ReloadingWeatherby WTF
Another great video. Any recommended powders for you 270 Win 165 grain ABLR loads? I have an old pre 64 lightweight 270 that I plan to dust off and put a pic rail base on for my mil scopes. Thanks again...
H4831SC
I tried this, i couldnt get past 50 grain without getting pressures signs so i kept it at 50 and went with the book oal, and got under half moa. Will be trying this out this season
I assume you mean the 270 Win with the 165 ABLR? 50 gr of what powder?
@@ReloadingWeatherby yes that's correct with h-4831
I own 2 270s one Marlin one mouser,marlin is awesomely acurate
It’s strange how the .270 win or Weatherby can use the higher grain bullets with a 1/10 twist yet if you want to do the same with the .257 or 7mm you need a faster twist.
Possibly higher velocity
When it comes to stabilization in short range, im pretty sure that the bullet becomes unstable within 100 yrds then it starts stabilizing after that so i dont think that commenter was a Ron spolmer, but niether am i.
Can you share some info on the bullet?.
I need the total bullet length base to tip and the length of only the plastic tip. With this info I can run it through the modified miller formula at local temperature and density altitude… very curious to see the Sg gyroscopic stability factor.
Note that when Sg drops to around 1.2 or less the drag on the bullet can increase thus lowering the BC. Also when nearing the ragged edge of stability it is possible to encounter variance in the BC with changes in temperature and pressure. So you could possibly encounter good stability on a hot day at high altitude and less stability on a cold day at low altitude… which may still be stable but your BC might vary in different conditions which would be complicated. So long as the Sg is above around 1.2 in all conditions you will shoot in and it’s performing as illustrated in this video, there shouldn’t be any problems.
Browning is now making some X-bolts in 270WIN with 1:8 twist… which is super cool.
Cheers!
At 5000 ft of elevation this specific bullet in my gun won't have issues until 1200 yards. With that being said I shot at 6800 ft in this video. And when I use this for hunting I will be hunting at no lower than 8000 ft. Most likely around 10,000 ft. I believe this bullet is 1.51 inches long, someone already did the calculations for me and told me I was good out to 1200 yards at 5000 ft.
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You think it will stabilize at or below sea level Austin??? After seeing this I'm really thinking about selling my Bergara or Cva 6.5 prc to get a tikka 270 wsm was like it's no point in a 270wsm since 6.5 prc shoots same weights 130 to 150 gr but that 165ablr will make it worth it no need for 2 prc
😂 Actually, if you watch the difference in downrange Terminal Performance between the two cartridges - at the times 3:30 and 4:30 - I would say " No Need at All For Any 6.5 prc", especially if you plan to hunt elk and other big critters! The 270 Winchester is simply the better cartridge for that! 😃
@jmgates09 I think it will. Go check out Frontline Rejects channel. He shoots the 165 ABLR in his 270 WSM with very good accuracy
Did you say your 270 was the Savage Axis? WOW !
Yes
@@ReloadingWeatherby I've been thinking about a 270 and a Savage rifle. Is yours free floated? I looked at one today that was not...not close. Perhaps I just need to find one that is. The price is hard to beat!
@clayp520 Mine is "free floated" but it's not a good free floated rifle
Could you repeat the test using 130 and 150 grain bullets?
.270 Win and 7mm Rem Mag 🤌🤌
🕵️♂️ Do you want to know the difference at 500 yards, between the two in a 24" barrel? The Difference Between the 270 Winchester (165 Grain Nosler ABLR bullet) and the 280 AI (168 Grain Nosler ABLR bullet) is pretty similar to the Difference between the 280 AI and 7mm Remington Magnum! About 1" difference in drop at 500 yards, 0.1" in wind drift, and 80 ft lbs of terminal energy! But, at what expense? Austin's Load (because I already asked him the grains of powder that he was using) will use 13% less powder than the 280 AI and 19% less powder than the 7 mm Remington Magnum - Which translates to basically the same % in felt recoil energy (ft lbs)! So, is a 2" difference in drop, a 0.2" difference in Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind), and a 160 ft lbs in Terminal Energy at 500 yards Worth Absorbing About 20% More Recoil? 🤪 Not to me! 🤯
🕵️♂️ So, Jess, I actually just got finished caliculating the 7mm prc! But, if we look at the Nosler Online Manual, what we see is that the are actually closer in performance! With 65 grains of H4831 powder, the 7mm Remington Magnum actually gets 2,920 ft/s! Now, I asked Austin about his load and he said that he used the 160 grain Nosler Partition data to help him develop it! He said that his loads were 53.5 gr and 54.5 grains of H4831SC powder! He got 2,811 ft/s from a 22" barrel, so if we add 50 ft/s to bring it up to a 24" barrel, or 2,861 ft/s! But, with about 59 grains of Reloader 26, you can get that up to 2,900+ ft! Looking at the 280 AI data also, we see that with the 175 grain bullet - which is slightly longer (1.54"), and using 59 5 grains of Reloader 26, you can get 2,930 ft/s! But going back to the powder comparison of the 270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum (a more stable/temperature resistant powder) - the difference in powder charge = 1 - (54.5 grains/65 grains) x 100% = 16.15 % more powder (or 10.5 grains) to get an additional 59 ft/s in velocity! ☹ Now, if we calculate recoil in a 7lb rifle for both (which is the current weight of mine, fully scoped and slinged), the what we get as a difference in Recoil is 25.53 ft lbs (for the 7mm RM) - 21.57 ft lbs (for the 270 WM)! This is actually 15.5% more Recoil for the 7mm Remington Magnum! So, Now, let me actually run the Ballistics Numbers, for comparison....🤖:
First, using my "Typical Hunting Conditions Data" for both (Elevation = 8,000 ft, Relative Humidity = 20%, Temperature = 32 F, Zero = 200 yards): For the 7mm RM (168 grain Nosler ABLR bullet B.C. of 0.616, 65 grains of H4831powder, and a MV = 2,920 ft/s) - Drop @ 500 yards = - 35.2", Wind Drift = (10 mph crosswind) = -10.4", Energy = 2,027 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,352 ft/s! Buy comparison, the 270 Winchester (Using the165 Nosler ABLR bullet with a B.C. of 0.62, 54.5 grains of H4831SC powder, and a MV =2,861 ft/s) - Bullet Drop @ 500 yards = - 36.7", Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind) = - 10.6", Energy = 1944 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,303 ft/s! Now, if we wanted to use Reloader 26 and get the Velocity up to 2,900 ft/s, then the difference would be Drop @ 500 yards = -35.6, Drift = -10.4, Energy = 2,002 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,338 ft/s! Now, Why did I mention the 280 AI and Reloader 26? Because both the 270 and 280 AI Have the same SAMMI psi pressure ratings, unlike the 7mm Remington Magnum that does not! Additionally, that extra 6% of unused powder space in the 280 AI can be fully utilized by the 270 Winchester with that same powder! What you will see, as you go to the bigger cartridges- including the 7mm Remington Magnum- is Just because they have bigger cases, doesn't mean that they can utilize that extra space before hitting their maximum pressure limitations! So, it is essentially unused/wasted space and also doesn't lend itself to accuracy (because you get an uneven powder distribution and ignition, when you lay the cartridge on its side)! So, is 59 ft of extra velocity, 1.5" difference (I said 2" yesterday, so it is actually less here) in bullet drop at 500 yards, 0.2" difference bullet drift at 500 yards (I said 0.2" yesterday), 83 ft lbs of energy (I said 80 ft lbs, so my estimate was very close) worth an extra 16% more powder used and 15.5% more recoil? 😬 I don't personally think so! 🤕
🤪 I am not sure why my text was cut off, but that 7mm velocity number was 2,352 ft/s! 🤷♂️
It also cut off my 270 calculations! So, using 54.5 grains of H4831SC powder, the 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (B.C. of 0.62), and the 270 Winchester Muzzle Velocity of 2,861 ft/s, we get - Bullet Drop = -36.7", Wind Drift = - 10.6", Energy = 1,944 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,303 ft/s!
Hello, can you upload the last live with Hopeful Ballistics? Thank you.
Unfortunately I don't have the recording anymore. I'm sorry
@@ReloadingWeatherby Ok, dont worry and thanks.
Any thoughts on new upgrades for your current .270 win? Barrel swap? Faster twist? Chasis? I think it is worth the effort.
I put a $20 replacement spring in the trigger. Made the trigger go from 6 pounds to less than 1 pound. Made a world of difference. That is the only thing I've done to the rifle.
@@ReloadingWeatherbythat's all you need leave it alone the money spent on all the changes is not worth the return in the rigs accuracy
If he is hitting a small target at 700 yds , why would you change the barrel ?…..
Nice! 😎👍👍👍😎
😎 For ALL Those of You That Were Telling Me That the 6.5 prc was a "Better Long Range Hunting Cartridge" than the 270 Winchester - Go to Time 3:30 (for the 6.5 prc) and Time 4:30 (for the 270 Winchester) and WATCH THE DIFFERENCE IN IMPACT ENERGY ON TARGET, ON THE 10" GONG! 👊The 6.5 prc barely moves it, while the 270 Winchester Smashes It and Spins it Around! 😵🥊 And, While I would agree with the FACT that the 270 Winchester is using a Heavier Bullet (Which is Also a Better Hunting Bullet for Large Animals, Because It Is Bonded), that 6.5 prc is Using the Biggest Bullet that Horneday Loads For It In A Factory Option 👶 (But, unlike most of you, I Reload)! 🏋️♂️ So, when it comes to Antelope and Deer, the 6.5 prc will do Just Fine (OK)! 🤷♂️ But, When You "Step Up" to Elk and the Other the Bigger Animals (Like Moose and Bison), THE 270 WINCHESTER WINS, HANDS DOWN! 🥇🏆THE PROOF IS ON VIDEO NOW, FOR YOU TO SEE FOR YOURSELF! 😁 "FACTS, NOT FEELINGS!" 🔥👨🏫 CASE CLOSED!!! 👨⚖
.270 for the win 🏆 still one of my favorites. 👊😎🇺🇸
So I punched the numbers and at 775 yards the 6.5 PRC has more energy... barely. I guess the weight of the heavier bullet is providing more impact energy for the 270 Win. The 165 is also going almost 100 FPS slower than the 143 at 775. So... numbers on paper don't always tell the full story.
😉 It Never Does! ☹ But, Thanks for Providing the Video Evidence of the Obvious Difference in Terminal Bullet Performance! 😁👍 If It was a Real Animal, instead of a Gong, the 270 (Using that 22 grains Heavier Nosler ABLR Bullet) would Also Show a "Noticeable Difference" in Terminal Performance on the Animal, compared to the 6.5 prc's ELD-X bullet too! Another Factor to consider, for example, is Alot of those "Magnums" - like the 7mm Remington Magnum - Don't Do Well With Temperature Stable Powders and Also Can't Utilize All of Their Case Capacity, Before Hitting their Designed Pressure Limits (Especially When Those Limits are Lower than the 270 Winchester's 65,000 psi SAMMI Limit, by Comparison)! So, when it comes hunting season and those "Book Velocity Numbers" that were measured at "Room Temperature" for those Magnums are "No Longer Valid" - because it is Below Zero in Places Where I Hunt and the powder doesn't combust nearly as well/consistantly - thus, Causing a Loss in Energy, Bullet Velocity, and Accuracy! Thus, the 270 Winchester (Using the H4831SC) Comes Alot Closer to their Performance, than What the "Reloading Book Says", With Alot Less Powder! Also, when you are using those "Non-Stable" powders, the Accuracy goes to Hell from Velocity Variations/Temperature Swings! So, Yesterday, I ran "Some Numbers" for Jess with the 270 Winchester vs. the 7mm Remington Magnum (I did this for the 7mm prc and 280 AI too, with similar results in comparing them to the 270 Winchester), both using H4831/H4831SC powder (and using the 165 grain Nosler ABLR for the 270 Win and the 168 grain Nosler ABLR for the 7mm RM)! The 7mm Remington Magnum Needs 10.5 grains more H4831 powder to get an additional 59 ft/s velocity (or only a gain of only 5.6 ft/s, per grain of powder gain)! So, What is the Tradeoff? Is the Additional 83 ft lbs in Terminal Bullet Energy at 500 yards, a 1.5 inch Difference in Bullet Drop at 500 yards, and a 0.2 inch Difference in Wind Drift (using a 10 mph cross wind) at 500 yards - Worth using 16% more powder and enduring 15% additional recoil (and affecting your shooting accuracy)? 🤕 NOPE, I DON'T THINK SO! 🤪
😃 You Were Definitely Right About One Thing - the Use of Heavier Bullets in the 270 Winchester is "DEFINITELY" a "Game Changer"! 😎 I bet Chuck is getting Heartburn over this latest video too! 😂 Here is another Great Thing, Now You have a "Bullet Load" that You can use on anything from antelope and deer to elk and moose, because the 165 grain weight bullet is such a "nice balance" in weight for ALL of Your North American Big Game Species! 🏆
Another example of why ( WE DON’T NEED ALL THESE NEW CARTRIDGES ) !….. It’s all about selling new rifles !…….
Are you going to post the data on this round? Also how far out could it be used to take an elk? Thanks for posting this video
What data would you like to know?
Velocity= 2750 FPS
Energy= 2771 ft.lbs
As far as energy goes for elk you retain 1500 ft.lbs out to 650 yards.
Wow that’s amazing. Hope you find a way to sell those rounds. I’ll definitely be in line to buy them
@@ReloadingWeatherby Not being a reloader are you selling these rounds and will they work in a standard twist 270 win barrel?
To shoot elk should not shoot more then 300 yards according to ballistics on 270 maybe 350 if your above average in skill
@@ReloadingWeatherby That will do the job.
why is there a stress mark on that cartridge at the opening of the video, ?? you might want to throw that away
It's not a stress mark
What muzzle velo are you getting? Thanks...great video and shooting.
2750 FPS
Thx. That's even cooler. Same velo as 150 eldx in 7mm08...I think, but with a 165g!
Two questions what is the magnification of the scope, and what is the barrel length just curious?
16x power and 22 inch barrel.
😎 In the Legendary Words of "Billy the Kid", "I'll Make You Famous"! 🤣
What altitude are you shooting at? Higher altitudes can have a huge impact on bullet stability
I originally tested these bullets at 5000 ft. In the video I'm at 6800 ft.
I have a friend that has gotten the same success at 1400 ft with this bullet in a 270WSM. With that being said I've had a few report they can't get the bullet to stabilize around sea level
@ReloadingWeatherby sounds like the polymer tip must help it behave like a shorter bullet.
I just shot my first 165 ABLR hand loads from my 6.8 Western and had excellent accuracy. Should be a good hunting bullet
Austin just curious where do I find load data on these 165s thanks
I used Nosler 160 gr data. It worked well for my rifle.
@@ReloadingWeatherby sounds good to me did u use exact or backed off at all prolly wouldn’t have to starting load and watch pressure
@@ThemantleofElijah Exact. I hit pressure as soon as I loaded over what the book says
@@ReloadingWeatherby k I will just start at the starting load, was accuracy good only when pushed faster?
@@ThemantleofElijah I was near the top, best accuracy was 1 grain below max.
Hello, what velocity are you shooting these at?
2800 FPS
Very exciting to see this work! I reload 6.8 SPC, 270 Win and now 6.8 Western (browning hells canyon). I recently pulled some factory 6.8 Western cartridges apart- 162 grain copper impacts and 170 grain PowerPoints in order to develop some 175 grain Sierra gameking loads. Anybody out there you could point me to with 1:10 twist 270 Win who had success using these 162s, 170s, or 175s ? Another question anybody out there find success in subsonic 6.8SPC (1:11 twist) using heavier rounds 130-175 grains?
Elevation seems to be the reason why my rifle will shoot these well.
Doesn't exist. 270 Win should have been originally designed around a 1:8 twist, but they just didn't have the same knowledge back then. It's the downfall of the cartridge. Someone will eventually get smart and figure out all the light bullets will shoot just as well our of the faster spin and make a faster twist barrel for heavier bullets. Till then shooting bullets over 150 grains (most 270s are a 140 max grains) is about as good as you will get.
What are you numbers out of the muzzle on that 270 win load?
2750 FPS
@@ReloadingWeatherby with that high BC bullet be devastating elk load. Gonna try loads with mine. Never loaded with a round above 150 grain for 270 win so this should be interesting.
@@patriotichunter6434 What elevation are you at? This works because I'm at 5100 feet.
@@ReloadingWeatherby home is 2703 elevation but I hunt a lot from 3500-6000 and have gone higher occasionally. I use 270 win locally for whitetail, pigs and exotics( I live in Texas so year round exotic and pig hunts). I have browning xbolt western hunter 270 win that I love so curious to see if can get decent load for mine with that heavy bullet that will stabilize. Mine loves 140 accubond with rl19 but not maxed powder so getting 2950s. But it’s sub moa with that load.
@@patriotichunter6434 That will work. I've seen it be successful as low as 1400 feet.
What powder load did you use and was the bullet seated at the standard depth?
H4831SC
H 4831 and it doesn't matter if it's the Short Cut or not.
Just curious on your load development. Did you show any pressure signs? What powder did you use? Also, what was your COL?
I was using H4831SC, I was using the Nosler 160 gr recommendations. I would start low and work your way up. I measured to the lands and went 20 thou off of it. Which for my rifle was 3.372". I would highly recommend you find the measurement to the lands with this bullet and start there... wherever that is on your rifle.
How far above sea level is your shooting area/range?
This was at 6800 ft
@@ReloadingWeatherby That might be why the bullet is stabilizing in your 10" twist. It might not work at lower elevations.
@@451whitworth4 Elevation helps. But another UA-cam channel is shooting the same bullet out of his 270WSM at 1000 ft with no issues. Frontline Rejects is the channel
@@ReloadingWeatherby Interesting. Thanks
Sensible cartridge! ;)
What temperature outside this day ?
65-70
Have you ever read ,jack O'Connor
I know of him... but I haven't read his stuff
Hi what powder are you using now with them
H4831SC
Regardless of wether or not you get a round hole it isn't going to be optimally stabilized , bc will suffer , to what degree varies buy interested to see actual bc from your rifle on this bullet to see how much is lost .
Here is my honest answer on the b.c. not being optimized. I missed originally because my velocity I calculated was off. Once I found my DOPE it was extremely consistent. I found no loss in b.c
@ReloadingWeatherby well then you don't know what your doing .
@@nonetheless01 Right... why so defensive and rude? Could it be your favorite cartridge is the 6.5 PRC... and my cheap rifle did better than it?
@ReloadingWeatherby lol , no not at all .
@nonetheless01 FYI Berger twist rate calculator says my b.c. loss is 2% at the elevation I was shooting this target at. This elevation was only 6900 feet. So when I take this hunting at 9000-10000 feet.... I have zero b.c. compromised
Junk gun junk scope , why bother ?
Because it works... oh this junk gun shot better than the $1400 guns