RIP Jacques Secrétin. A champion, an ambassador of the sport who popularized tt via his shows, and a great man visiting prisons to play with inmates. A legend.
Great stuff Ikarus!!! With all the flaws the players had back then compared to now i must say they had greater personalities in their styles. Stellan Bengston is always a joy to watch. He had the frame work for later swedish tt players waldner, persson and appelgren
+Galimah Yes indeed. Bengtsson set a new standard in table tennis at his time. To me he introduced the modern version of table tennis. Footwork and positioning got a new meaning with his play style.
@@SuperHammaren They mostly developed their serve and receive techniques after the Chinese.Bengtsson was trained by Ogimura.Appelgren based his two wing mid distance loop style on Secretin.
@@dickn.ormous1064 Correct he was in Japan 69, China at the time was still hard to get into due to the cultural revolution. However in 72 he practiced in Beijing and Guangzhou. Appelgrens serves are much simpler than Waldners, obvious from the ETTC final in 82 (not a long time since Waldners trip there). I think Appelgren and Swediish players in general more looked on the hungarian style which had been very succesful in the mid 70's and onwards. At least it says so in most documentaries about Swedish players from the 80's.
Mit Wasser in der Spielpause aus einer Glas-Mehrweg-Pfandflasche. Soweit waren die früher schon. Wahrscheinlich sogar, ohne groß darüber nachzudenken. Ich liebe die alten Zeiten.
Great match. It was also interesting to see other players sitting right next to the court, watching the match. I am pretty sure one of them is the nine-time European champion Valentina Popova... (ETTC singles gold in 1980 and 1984)
Wait, wait, wait a minute...I think I was there, isn't it Barcelona? I remember Secretin, he was a veteran already, an he was an artist, he classified in third place if I am not wrong...and Waldner was 17 year old and classified fourth...I can't believe it! OMG...
He wasn't young anymore but still good. 1976 european champion and 1977 mixed double world champion. He passed away this week around the same day as Diego Maradona's death.
Wenn man bedenkt, dass bei der Europarangliste - Top 12 - 1973 in Böblingen ein 33 jähriger Eberhardt Schöler (6:5 Siege) beide, also den damals 24 jährigen Jaques Sekretin (ebenfalls 6:5 Siege) und den damals 21 jährigen Stellan Bengtsson (Top 12 Sieger 9:2 Siege) noch geschlagen hat😊
Bengstsson aurait quand même put faire un effort pour porter des chaussettes dignes de ce nom, même pour cette époque... rip maitre Jacques, tu vas rejoindre ton pote Purkart, vous allez bien vous marrer la-haut :)
Ha jól látom, Tuboly Lajos (és Kiss Béla?) /HUN/ a játékvezető a magyarországi versenyen! As I see, Mr. Lajos Tuboly (and Béla Kiss?) /(HUN/ are the umpires!
backhand was nothing like Jonyer's and no big whipping forehand loop. Secretin was a topspin/lobby sort of player with a punch-drive backhand. Saw him play in the late 70's.
@@-danR I said he was a bit like Jonyer with the big strokes. But he didn't play as offensively like Jonyer. Nobody had Jonyer's loop. That was unique.
Question : Who was the welsh player abaut it was tell he won his games by fault of adversaries ? He playes at the same time of jacques Secretin or Waldner ?
Majdnem minden szervákat amit szerválnak legyen Bengtsson vagy Secretin egy sem jó mind falcs mert a kéziből szervál és nincsenek fel dobva 25 centimétere ma ez nem lehetséges 🏓!
As I recall, wasn't Secretin using anti-spin on one side and long pips on the other? I can see from watching this that Bengtsson couldn't really play his loop game. No one was ever comfortable playing Jacques Secretin.
+Eugene Czyzewski No, Secretin played (and still plays, he's No 476 in the French ranking, at 68 :) ) with 2 inverted rubbers, 2 Butterfly Sriver if I remember correctly.
You may be thinking of his partner Purkart, who used antiloop on one side. Secretin used standard attacking rubber on both sides. His general style was forehand loop and lob, backhand punch-drive/block. He varied quite a bit on this, according to his opponent's style*. I would call 10:09 and the next point 10:27 JS's fundamental style, but we're not seeing it as often in this match; I think he's trying to mix up Bengtsson's game here, keep him guessing. (*minor edit: Feb.20/2021)
Always inverted, spinny rubbers when I saw him play. But he was devious in his manners to make nothing at all look like a lot of spin. Appelgren is/was equally skilled in using the entire table.
![1984 ETTC (Ms-Final) Ulf Bengtsson - Andrzej Grubba [Full Match in HD]](/img/n.gif)
RIP la légende du tennis de table français.
RIP Jacques Secrétin. A champion, an ambassador of the sport who popularized tt via his shows, and a great man visiting prisons to play with inmates. A legend.
Rip Secretin grand joueur
素晴らしいラリーですね。
セクレタンの中～後陣での山なりのドライブ。前陣での強烈なドライブ。
ベンクソンのフットワーク、バックハンド技術の多彩さ。
良い動画を有難うございます。
Le grand Jacques ! RIP
Great stuff Ikarus!!! With all the flaws the players had back then compared to now i must say they had greater personalities in their styles. Stellan Bengston is always a joy to watch. He had the frame work for later swedish tt players waldner, persson and appelgren
+Galimah Yes indeed. Bengtsson set a new standard in table tennis at his time. To me he introduced the modern version of table tennis. Footwork and positioning got a new meaning with his play style.
@@Ahldor He was one of the first to go to China and learn from them and based on that develop his style. Waldner did the same later.
@@SuperHammaren They mostly developed their serve and receive techniques after the Chinese.Bengtsson was trained by Ogimura.Appelgren based his two wing mid distance loop style on Secretin.
@@dickn.ormous1064 Correct he was in Japan 69, China at the time was still hard to get into due to the cultural revolution. However in 72 he practiced in Beijing and Guangzhou. Appelgrens serves are much simpler than Waldners, obvious from the ETTC final in 82 (not a long time since Waldners trip there). I think Appelgren and Swediish players in general more looked on the hungarian style which had been very succesful in the mid 70's and onwards. At least it says so in most documentaries about Swedish players from the 80's.
Rip, paix à son âme 🙏
Rip, paix à son âme
Mit Wasser in der Spielpause aus einer Glas-Mehrweg-Pfandflasche. Soweit waren die früher schon. Wahrscheinlich sogar, ohne groß darüber nachzudenken. Ich liebe die alten Zeiten.
Great match. It was also interesting to see other players sitting right next to the court, watching the match. I am pretty sure one of them is the nine-time European champion Valentina Popova... (ETTC singles gold in 1980 and 1984)
The defensive player?
@@SuperHammaren No, Popova was an attacker. You probably meant Fliura Bulatova, Euro champ 1988.
@@JimTDF Thanks! I always mix them up :)
Wait, wait, wait a minute...I think I was there, isn't it Barcelona? I remember Secretin, he was a veteran already, an he was an artist, he classified in third place if I am not wrong...and Waldner was 17 year old and classified fourth...I can't believe it! OMG...
He wasn't young anymore but still good. 1976 european champion and 1977 mixed double world champion. He passed away this week around the same day as Diego Maradona's death.
@@paulbismuth10 , Really has he just died? I am sorry to hear that. RIP
Excellent tennis de table, le tout sans aboiements doubles avec poing serré à chaque point gagné. Mais comment en est-on arrivé là ?
Wenn man bedenkt, dass bei der Europarangliste - Top 12 - 1973 in Böblingen ein 33 jähriger Eberhardt Schöler (6:5 Siege) beide, also den damals 24 jährigen Jaques Sekretin (ebenfalls 6:5 Siege) und den damals 21 jährigen Stellan Bengtsson (Top 12 Sieger 9:2 Siege) noch geschlagen hat😊
Thank you for the last set. If it is possible, i would like to see the complete match. Do you have other videos with Jacques Secretin? Please.
Bengstsson aurait quand même put faire un effort pour porter des chaussettes dignes de ce nom, même pour cette époque... rip maitre Jacques, tu vas rejoindre ton pote Purkart, vous allez bien vous marrer la-haut :)
Two legends...
Saul Goodman changed his identity again.
J'adorais sont style nonchalant top 😎👍
Ha jól látom, Tuboly Lajos (és Kiss Béla?) /HUN/ a játékvezető a magyarországi versenyen! As I see, Mr. Lajos Tuboly (and Béla Kiss?) /(HUN/ are the umpires!
Secretin looked old even then! Played a bit like Jonyer with the loose grip and extended strokes.
dead today :(
@@enzoelmharmach8753 That is very 😥
backhand was nothing like Jonyer's and no big whipping forehand loop. Secretin was a topspin/lobby sort of player with a punch-drive backhand. Saw him play in the late 70's.
@@-danR I said he was a bit like Jonyer with the big strokes. But he didn't play as offensively like Jonyer. Nobody had Jonyer's loop. That was unique.
Question : Who was the welsh player abaut it was tell he won his games
by fault of adversaries ?
He playes at the same time of jacques Secretin or Waldner ?
John Hilton ?
Its impressive, before you didnt need to use your whole body to make a topspin with the 38mm ball
Bengtsson, nine out of ten illegal services...
en 81 on n'était pas obligé de lancer la balle? Car Bengtsson sert dans sa main à chaque fois on dirait!
Manntaab!!
Cocorico
Never mind the serves, those shorts should be illegal lol
Secretin looked so french its hilarious LOL
Majdnem minden szervákat amit szerválnak legyen Bengtsson vagy Secretin egy sem jó mind falcs mert a kéziből szervál és nincsenek fel dobva 25 centimétere ma ez nem lehetséges 🏓!
Dommage hehe ^^
As I recall, wasn't Secretin using anti-spin on one side and long pips on the other? I can see from watching this that Bengtsson couldn't really play his loop game. No one was ever comfortable playing Jacques Secretin.
+Eugene Czyzewski No, Secretin played (and still plays, he's No 476 in the French ranking, at 68 :) ) with 2 inverted rubbers, 2 Butterfly Sriver if I remember correctly.
Absolument.. Maître Jacques joue avec des srivers.. épaisseur max en coup droit.. et en revers il est descendu à 1,5mm.
Very impressive :))
You may be thinking of his partner Purkart, who used antiloop on one side. Secretin used standard attacking rubber on both sides. His general style was forehand loop and lob, backhand punch-drive/block. He varied quite a bit on this, according to his opponent's style*. I would call 10:09 and the next point 10:27 JS's fundamental style, but we're not seeing it as often in this match; I think he's trying to mix up Bengtsson's game here, keep him guessing.
(*minor edit: Feb.20/2021)
Always inverted, spinny rubbers when I saw him play. But he was devious in his manners to make nothing at all look like a lot of spin. Appelgren is/was equally skilled in using the entire table.
Mais quel niveau faible par rapport à maintenant..... On dirait des débutants
Ezt tornát KLAMPÁR nyerte😎🇭🇺👍