I felt exactly the same! In my case, I bought a competing fuel controller. It was a pain to install. My first impression was one of instant regret. The bike seemed to perform slightly worse than stock! I guess these units need to be tuned on a dyno. Like you, I don't want to spend any extra money for that. So I've started with a blank map and started using the butt dyno. And I'm actually making progress. These devices are not really plug and play, unfortunately. But I kind of like being able to control the fueling myself so I'll stick with it for a while.
Yeah, I never did get mine dyno'd and it was such a pain to install that there's no chance I'll remove it :). Some day I still might go get it dyno tuned but I really don't see much of a difference with the Power Commander. Still a disappointing purchase.
heath1512 Yeah, I was really hoping to not need to dyno the bike, but it looks like that's probably going to be necessary. Maybe if I find more money to burn :)
Yea you will have to put it on the dyno to get a proper tune. And you will not gain much power. A few weeks back i was running dyno and on the gsxr600 and r6 they both only gained about .50 hp after a tune from stock. So so expect to unlock power but if you tune you can get a better a/f ratio.
The popping and banging is part of motorcycling it's not a Mercedes. It sounds lean and tough need to adjust the maps and do have it professionally adjusted
Try putting 40 in the first column (0% throttle) for rpms above idle speed. When you let go of the throttle, this may cause the fuel in the exhaust to become too rich to ignite in your exhaust system, thus eliminating the deceleration popping. Also, did you plug the PAIR valve? It introduces filtered air into your exhaust system to promote the exhaust to burn off the un-burned fuel, thus causing it to pop. Your stock exhaust experiences this and pops, but the stock exhaust is pretty good at preventing you from hearing it.
+bares424 Someone help me please..We are putting a Yoshimura Exhaust on our stock 650. Do we even need a power commander? Will it do damage to the engine it we don't? So many different opinions I am hearing. Don't really care if it is faster, don't plan on racing at all, I just want a better sound without all the expense. Someone help me please
+Robert Skillings No, you don't really need it. The Yoshimura exhaust was designed around the stock ecu. The aftermarket exhaust will make you run leaner than a factory setup, though. No two motorcycles are the same and some may run richer/leaner than others from the factory. If it makes your motorcycle run too lean, it will cause damage (in that case, you will need a Power Commander). I think that would be really rare, though. In most cases, it won't be needed. My exhaust didn't need it either, but I got it for two reasons. First, I was annoyed by the exhaust's popping on deceleration. The factory exhaust does a really good job at hiding the sounds. All aftermarket exhausts will make it much more noticeable. Some people love the sound, but I personally hated it. The Power Commander reduces the popping by making the motorcycle run rich when you let go of the throttle. The fuel keeps the exhaust gasses cooler. The second reason was because riding up a slight incline, I noticed my motorcycle wouldn't pull hard anymore (it used to on that stretch of road when I had the factory exhaust). After installing the Power Commander, my motorcycle pulled hard again. If I were just trying to cruise up the hill, I probably wouldn't mind...but I only go that way on group motorcycle rides, and I didn't want to be the one who couldn't keep up. lol Thus, unless you want to reduce the popping or you experience performance issues, you won't need it. In fact, I would recommend riding without a Power Commander first. You can always add it later if you want it. Many riders don't even bother getting it.
i bought a kawasaki ninja 650 with a power commander v & 2 Brothers Racing on it. when i rode it the first time i down shifted and the motor stolded it turned off on me. i have no idea how the PCV works or how to tune it.... is it better to have it Dino tuned or just uninstall it?
It's 3 years later and I still haven't dyno tuned it...so can't say whether or not it would be better. Uninstalling might be more of a hassle as it was a little painful to install.
Did u just have a slip on exhuast or did u have full exhuast headers and slip on also was the air filter stock? Curious cus i have same bike and i was looking to do it all in on shot full exhuast air filter and commander
I felt exactly the same! In my case, I bought a competing fuel controller. It was a pain to install. My first impression was one of instant regret. The bike seemed to perform slightly worse than stock! I guess these units need to be tuned on a dyno. Like you, I don't want to spend any extra money for that. So I've started with a blank map and started using the butt dyno. And I'm actually making progress. These devices are not really plug and play, unfortunately. But I kind of like being able to control the fueling myself so I'll stick with it for a while.
Yeah, I never did get mine dyno'd and it was such a pain to install that there's no chance I'll remove it :). Some day I still might go get it dyno tuned but I really don't see much of a difference with the Power Commander. Still a disappointing purchase.
I plugged the AIS hose that removed the popping on decel along with the many mods I did on my fz1 then took it to a dyno tuner to get it running good
heath1512 Yeah, I was really hoping to not need to dyno the bike, but it looks like that's probably going to be necessary. Maybe if I find more money to burn :)
Yea you will have to put it on the dyno to get a proper tune. And you will not gain much power. A few weeks back i was running dyno and on the gsxr600 and r6 they both only gained about .50 hp after a tune from stock. So so expect to unlock power but if you tune you can get a better a/f ratio.
201mxflyboy201 only 50 lol
The popping and banging is part of motorcycling it's not a Mercedes. It sounds lean and tough need to adjust the maps and do have it professionally adjusted
Try putting 40 in the first column (0% throttle) for rpms above idle speed. When you let go of the throttle, this may cause the fuel in the exhaust to become too rich to ignite in your exhaust system, thus eliminating the deceleration popping.
Also, did you plug the PAIR valve? It introduces filtered air into your exhaust system to promote the exhaust to burn off the un-burned fuel, thus causing it to pop. Your stock exhaust experiences this and pops, but the stock exhaust is pretty good at preventing you from hearing it.
+bares424
Someone help me please..We are putting a Yoshimura Exhaust on our stock 650. Do we even need a power commander? Will it do damage to the engine it we don't? So many different opinions I am hearing. Don't really care if it is faster, don't plan on racing at all, I just want a better sound without all the expense. Someone help me please
+Robert Skillings No, you don't really need it. The Yoshimura exhaust was designed around the stock ecu. The aftermarket exhaust will make you run leaner than a factory setup, though. No two motorcycles are the same and some may run richer/leaner than others from the factory. If it makes your motorcycle run too lean, it will cause damage (in that case, you will need a Power Commander). I think that would be really rare, though. In most cases, it won't be needed.
My exhaust didn't need it either, but I got it for two reasons. First, I was annoyed by the exhaust's popping on deceleration. The factory exhaust does a really good job at hiding the sounds. All aftermarket exhausts will make it much more noticeable. Some people love the sound, but I personally hated it. The Power Commander reduces the popping by making the motorcycle run rich when you let go of the throttle. The fuel keeps the exhaust gasses cooler.
The second reason was because riding up a slight incline, I noticed my motorcycle wouldn't pull hard anymore (it used to on that stretch of road when I had the factory exhaust). After installing the Power Commander, my motorcycle pulled hard again. If I were just trying to cruise up the hill, I probably wouldn't mind...but I only go that way on group motorcycle rides, and I didn't want to be the one who couldn't keep up. lol
Thus, unless you want to reduce the popping or you experience performance issues, you won't need it. In fact, I would recommend riding without a Power Commander first. You can always add it later if you want it. Many riders don't even bother getting it.
i bought a kawasaki ninja 650 with a power commander v & 2 Brothers Racing on it. when i rode it the first time i down shifted and the motor stolded it turned off on me. i have no idea how the PCV works or how to tune it.... is it better to have it Dino tuned or just uninstall it?
It's 3 years later and I still haven't dyno tuned it...so can't say whether or not it would be better. Uninstalling might be more of a hassle as it was a little painful to install.
instead of buying a tune for the bike get an autotune. also you NEED to do the PAIR mod with those parts, especially with autotune.
Did u just have a slip on exhuast or did u have full exhuast headers and slip on also was the air filter stock? Curious cus i have same bike and i was looking to do it all in on shot full exhuast air filter and commander
Full exhaust, Two Brothers M2 Vale. Also have stock air filter
@@MuleOnWheels thx bike sounds great