Musket Drill and Cannon Firing Films from Gettysburg National Military Park Visitor Center
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- These films played in the lower level of the National Park Service Visitor Center before operations were moved to the new museum facility. The films were operated by visitors at push-button kiosks.
From a DVD produced at HFC, Harpers Ferry, WV. This video is the work of a National Park Service employee, created during the course of the person's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, such work is in the public domain. (see www.nps.gov/dis...)
Salute to camera men for going back in time for record this
Just waiting for someone to get whooshed
3 rounds per minute from an individual soldier, but 1200 per minute from a whole group. That explains why they still used the massed infantry ranks. Thanks for this video!
this guy is really fast. very impressive. i have high respect for the soldiers who did that under artillery and rifle fire.
Discharge your weapon, discharge your weapon! Do it! Do it! Do it! (Watch the film "Glory", you'll understand)
“What makes a good soldier is the ability to fire three rounds a minute in any weather.”
-Richard Sharpe
Man, I love Civil War weaponry.
As I get older, my taste in firearms seems to also increase in level of antiquity. I'm reading Shelby Foote's Civil War Narrative and I'm absolutely craving a Springfield 61' now. Strange how when I was a teenager, I was absolutely bored by anything Civil War related.
I did an internship with the NPS at Gettysburg during college... used to work at the old visitors center and gave the Cemetery and Pickets Charge walking tours. This video brought back some great memories!!
Were these played in the 80's? These look VERY familiar and I remember seeing demonstrations of drill and such when I was last there. (they also had a cool topographic map in 3D that had changing lights demonstrating the troop positions - high tech stuff back then) Which was almost 30 years ago. Wow! I'm old.
doggonemess The Musket Drill was filmed on NPS property at Gettysburg by the combined Company C, 2 US and the First Minnesota in 1985, to be shown at the various NPS CW Park Headquarters!
doggonemess FYI the Cannon Drill was filmed at the NPS Richmond Battlefield in 1972 by members of the First Maryland Regiment for NPS CW park Headquarters.
Today as opposed to earlier (as in this video) the Civil War cannon demos include using a complete ball and sabot load. As such the cannon will (as opposed to what is seen here) realistically recoil 6' to 8'. This means that part of an actual reload procedure was running the cannon back up to its original firing position.
I just dug out a family history book today and a far back relative was in the civil war and wrote a poem . Anyhow I just thought this was very interesting. Thank you for posting your video.😊
It's always interesting to hear the thoughts and feelings of the individual soldier and what they went through. Must have been truly horrific. Thanks for sharing.
I timed the musket and cannon reload time and so the muskets time was 23sec. and 75m. And the cannon was 24 sec. and 63 mil.. Those arelong relax times!!
This was shot off the Gettysburg Battlefield Park in the late 1980's for the Park by the Park Service. The Sergeant is Cliff Sophia, of the Second US Infantry, Company C, brigaded with The First Minnesota Infantry.
Think I would have been more concerned about losing my hearing than being shot.
***** Talking about when they demonstrate the group technique and have the weapons right next to the guys heads.
Speaking for experience as a reenactor, it's not as bad as your think. it's still loud as shit but for the historical soldier battles are so rare and the actual fighting so short that it usually won't cause permeant damage
@@jedidls The black powder and low velocity rifles used in the civil war also were not nearly as damaging to hearing as modern high velocity guns are.
@@xq39 velocity has nothing to do with sound, old blackpowder firearms may not only be ,louder, but their BOOMS will last longer and be more annoying.
No wonder why tens of thousands of men were killed during that time. Reloading was an absolute weakness, unless if you had a place to hide.
Fascinating, thank you. :D
The firing in group is PERFECT, the By file is unbelievable...doing it without the rear guys saying when to fire and 7 people HERE: 1:57-2;02(despite misfire) WOW perfect in-sync discharge!!!...the By rank firing is just WOW...THAT and the 'By music'.
This is something I appreciate. Forever, I've wondered if the cannon balls exploded or they were solid iron. Heard they were solid but you wouldn't know it from the movies. I realize some had shot in them, but you see people flying in the air and explosions going off in even the best Civil War films. Bowling balls may be lethal. Definitely not glamorous.
during the civil war both solid and exploding shot was used
@@mcRydes Exploding shot, I believe. But shells blowing up when they hit the ground is what all the Civil War movies depict and to my knowledge, never happened.
I had guessed the latter but the former is news to me. Thanks for the info!
War of Rights graphics got real this time
Few things going on to make them not seem as loud. They are firing blanks and blanks that are about half of a service load. They are a lot louder in person as well, even shooting underpowered blanks. It just doesn't translate to a speaker.
I'd assume the artillery film is an older production. I'm not sure of installation date for either film. They appeared in push-button kiosks in "the pit" of the old visitor's center. Artillery played adjacent to the cannon and limber. Infantry played in a small corner in the NE of the pit. Neither program appears in the new museum, although inferior new productions covering the same material now play in the lobby.
@mecallahan1 After a number of shots, the back end of the powder bags which did not burn up
would build up in the rear of the bore until they started to interfere with the vent, then they would
use the worm. It was also used to remove a unfired round, like a misfire.
Short answer: yes. Actually, artillerists would frequently request pensions for loss of hearing after the Revolutionary War and beyond.
I have seen contemporary illustrations in magazines like Harper's which demonstrate many men actually reloaded while kneeling, especially in skirmish formations. It was slightly slower and more awkward but made you half as big a target. Defenders would use field fortification like breastworks or rifle pits. Attackers would kneel behind natural cover when available, eg the large rock formation 60 yards from the summit of little round top.
Great video. Good explaination of the steps. I have a better uderstanding of the cannon crew. Thanks.
Well done video, very clear in many aspects.
It is very interesting that already in 1862 US Army had got uniform-jackets, hats and leather belts ( i thought that soldiers could only be provided with jackets) and that every soldier had got a rifle.
This is amazing. Greetings from Mexico.
where i am the nothe fort in weymouth uk we got a 6ponder which is broken =/ and a 4 pownder which can fire up to 1 and a half mile and about 9 muskets carbines and nice video
The .58-caliber infantry rifle was an arm with a 100+-metre effective range that didn't lose much, speedwise, to the earlier .69- and .75-caliber smoothbores, which had
@BugMagnet well, when you think about it, its five guys reloading a cannon, then one guy handling the rifle, though close, it still is faster with the multiples (two heads are better than one kind of deal, but its hard for two people to load a musket for one person lmao)
They need more Schnaps!! ;)
Extremely instructive. Thank you very much! :)
Baron Von Steuben war ein ausgezeichneter Bohrmeister. Es besteht kein Zweifel, dass er einen großen Einfluss auf die kontinentale Armee die Fähigkeit Manuevers auf dem Schlachtfeld führen musste. Allerdings wäre es den meisten beeindrucken jemand einen Soldaten Belastung sehen und schießen achtmal aus einer Steinschlossmuskete in einer Minute! Das ist ein UA-cam Video, das wir alle sehen möchten!
@hoosieryank1967 it can't be a live round, coz then the camera would be shot off @ 6:05 That and the bag and ball were two separate pieces of equipment. One rammed down after the other (bag, then ball or canister or other shot)
super accurate. cool video
@Bombajs French's Artillery Manual 1864 list the equipment for a battery down to the number of sponge
and tar buckets. According to that manual, there were only 2 worms for an entire battery and they were
carried on the battery wagon. Worming out between each shot is a modern safety measure, not saying its not good to do it, just that they didn't do it. Did you notice that the number 3 man did not
step out until the fire command was given?
that is so going on my favorites
This worked out rather well when the tech was fairly new, actually. The Civil War ate up so many casualties mainly because the muskets now had more accurate, rifled barrels and more accurate ammunition.
It's just beautiful 😍
Good stuff. This is ripped from a Laserdisc, isn't it? It has those single-frame shots that are meant to be paused & viewed, not played through, a feature which I've only seen on LDs.
Very impresive
Probably have a video of the difference between a Musket from the Revolutionary War and a Musket from the Civil War firing side by side showing the design or details that im trying to find i guess the only thing different is the Musket uses a primer instead of pouring some powder
germans use some hand signal for prepare and fire position is the same in the Ua army ???
+Higinio Malave No it is all vocal or done by bugle
thanks a lot
That looks like the 1st Minnesota Company B
Steve R Correct, and Company C, 2nd US.
Hey! Just curious where you found this video? I would love to use it for a project but NPS cant confirm where it was made.
@charlestonchewy even with a place to hide it was problematic because it's very difficult to load if your not standing. When the french went up against the Prussians and there new bolt action Dreyse needle gun it became clear that being able to fire and reload while prone was a huge advantage. The french were cut down while standing and marching into the fire while the Prussians went prone and made themselves a smaller target. It was a huge technological advancement.
Do not confuse a skirmish line with a line of battle. They are totally different.
this looks like an instructional video they would have showed to the cast in the movie gettysburg
The two krauts below think we actually learned the manual of arms from von Stueben alone. The latter trained only a 100 men. By 1812 we had adopted a translated French 1791 manual because it had proven so effective for them. By the advent of the cap-lock, the flintlock manuals no longer applied because the loading sequence was flipped around around priming.
Europeans can sometimes have a pretty high opinion of themselves ;)
JRT176
Not as high as Americans think of themselves ;-)
Obviously you have never lived in Scandinavia
JRT176
I am danish, so i live in Scandinavia.
Cool, bro. I live in Norway. All that I am saying is that there is nationalism and stupid chauvinism everywhere.
Camera man is creative mode
Cool.
@poodlemeister22314 I know they show it as one piece, but often when I'm at "live" artillery demostrations, the bags and rounds are separate from each other (probably for safety reasons)
Thanks, I wondered about a lot of these things.
i see him ramming a bullet down but the gun sound to underpowered and no kick at all. with mine it make so much loud firing sound and one hell of a kick
Is there any one here that knows where I can get a springfield 1861. That's what he was using right ?
wow amazing video man, just what i was looking for
Noticed that the cannon hardly moved as it fired, other video's show quite a bit of movement. Was this gun fired with a reduced charge?
Odd, they show the cannon crew loading a live round (with ball), but it doesn't recoil very much at all. Any explanations or am I missing something?
It's Brian Blessed! With a Musket!
I always asked myself why would one return the ramrod back into its place? Wouldn't one save precious time just holding it in the left hand?
+JohnJameson18y NO! If for whatever reason you lose that ramrod, you've effectively disarmed yourself. It was drilled in to put that ramrod back into the holder after loading.
As an alternative troops in line often stuck the ramrod in the ground next to where they were standing. It wasn't by the books but it took less time that way.
I once read about a guy out hunting in Georgia in an area small creek running through it. He was walking quietly and hit something. He looked down and there was a ram rod. He pulled it out of the ground. It looked old to him. He walked the creek a little more and found another, and then another. By the time he was done there any hunting going on as he was carrying 10+ ram rods.
From what I understand some soldiers would throw the rod into the ground if they felt that the position they were at could be held or for a shortening up the drill. Much like the scared soldier who rammed five down the barrel and never shot, these men couldn't hold their position, or just plain broke and ran. Leaving behind the most important piece of any weapon of that kind.
This may be a bit late to the party, but I'd like to add my piece as well! In addition to all the points above, part of every drill of the period was to make sure that you actually did return the ramrod to the holder. British drill of the Napoleonic era had soldiers tapping the ramrod with the side of their hand to ensure that they had indeed returned it and not left it in the barrel. While it may be quicker to just throw the ramrod on the ground, that simply wasn't a part of the drill. Part of the whole point of drill (and even military training to this day) is to ensure that when your soldier is under stress, he will fall back on his training and just go through the motions over and over until the combat is concluded or he is incapacitated.
Something tells me it would be rather hard to aim a rifle while also holding a 40 inch steel rod in your left hand...
There's always one who fires high
Very informative!
...hmmm you have a point but it's slow and breech loading is ok...
How does camera doesn't die after the canon shot it
THE GRONARDS DE L'EMPEUR (NAPOLEONIC OLD GUARD) DID 3 TO 4 AIMED SHOTS IN 45 SECONDS OR LESS WITH FINTLOCK MUSKETS... I SAW THAT IN FRANCE.
you know that bugle theyre wearing on their hat is completely historically inaccurate.That hat was federal property piercing it would get you a fine from your salary
What is he putting under the hammer and why?
Narrator says 3 shots - one of the reasons everyone feared Frederick the Great's army was the legendary prussian drill, which was twice as fast. Everyone tried to equal it but iirc the best that was managed was some of the better french and british regiments doing 4 shots a minute.
The Napoleonic tactics designed for use against inaccurate smoothbore muskets didn't help, either - considering that weapons were rifled at the time. The miniball's design revolutionized warfare...it's just unfortunate it took so many lives to revolutionize the tactics against it, too.
oh you weren't talking about which hand you were talking about a command.
To AtheistExplains, Stop trolling your religious Tripe. This is a video about Civil War Arms, not about your unbelief.
Comment if you flinched at 6:06
Virtual_Mexican I did
Virtual_Mexican I didn't
I thought the shots would be louder.
Lost his percussion cap at the second shot. Was he firing with real bullets?
you would not believe how many we lose from that at every event lol
I wonder how often the lanyard man fired the piece before the vent man got his hand out of the way, I see he has that special leather glove but owe, that hot vent of gas would hurt.
+puttputtbuggy Not to mention that the cannon itself would recoil back a good 8 to 12 feet when firing a full charge, the 2 pounds of powder and the 12 pound iron ball.
Believe me, the cannon cockers knew exactly what they were doing as they didn't want some 2500 pounds of artillery running them over.........
Dam hear the ring of that gun going off
The 1st Sgt. needs to reread the manual. At the command "load" place the musket in front like he did. The right hand goes to the cartridge box in preparation for the command "handle cartridge".
I would not have thought that it takes longer to reload a rifled musked than a canon
Looks more like a platoon than a company...
@aspiringdrummer17
I have not claimed anything at this point. I dont brag about my side, nor do I have a complex. So far you and your friend have made absurd unfounded claims without actual arguments to back them up with.
The massive loss of territory to the Americans, Spanish, Dutch and the French during the 1780s is conviniently ignored apparently.
I was told at the battle of Antietam that one Union soldier served the gun after the crew had been killed in the west woods wow!
First use of cannons in Europe was at Crecy in 1215 I think.
today is it 150 years ago that Gettysburg ended.
One of those guys is sporting a cool mullet
When was this video originally made?
wow cool
Funny how they didn't work the cannon barrel
bloody hell
wow.......two pounds of powder pushing a 12 pound ball a mile that is serious firepower i love the sound of that cannon
This guy needs more beer
interesting
Is it took 5 minutes just to reload the gun
his right hand did grab the cartridge.
Not certain, but I'm guessing the Industrialized North had greater access to uniform weapons and heavy equipment than the South. Did the South have to make do with older weapons from before large-scale importing was cut off from the North?
Northern imports were cut off? By which country?
So these are actual training videos from the Civil War?
Colorized, of course.
Is that the 1863 springfield?
Thats the union Infantry weapon of choice I believe.
Yes it is, springfields have distinctly bigger hammers than enfields.
2:21 Didn't they like get deaf if they survived a couple of battles? I'm pretty sure it's still a heck of a blow each 15-30 seconds next to your ear...
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Civil war era guns wheren't for the most part muskets. They where rifles, not smoothbores. This is a Springfield Model 1861 which is a rifle. Maybe the museum should get something as fundamental as that right