A guy agreed to buy my beautifully restored early Honda C90. He drove 150 miles in a hired van and duly turned up bang on time. Nice chap only it turned out he's 'misunderstood' the price we'd agreed and only brought an amount 350 pound short. Silence. Stared at me waiting for me to say that as he had come so far etc etc. I remained silent too. Eventually, he goes back to the van and 'finds' the rest of the cash..... cheeky sod.
@@angelsone-five7912 I have had that, and the last time it happened the guy turned up with 2200 after agreeing 2500. He had driven 120 miles, and though he said he would be there in 2 hours he took 4 hours and kept me waiting. So I said, no thanks but seeing as you think it’s ok to renegotiate I now want 2800. He suddenly come up with the 2500 but I stood my ground and watched him drive away.
One of the best things about living in Britain was the way that we did business, where we agreed a price, shook hands and that was it; now however, all that has gone and nobody sticks to their word. A friend of mine is an electrician and he refuses to work for Indian people, because they keep wanting extra work done for the agreed price, culminating in one customer who started demanding extra work without paying for it angering my pal so much that he pulled all of his wires back out of the walls and told him to stuff it.
I've been in retail for nearly 40 years and I have never ever sold anything to an Asian. I don't even bother too reply to them anymore as they piss you about or try to barter on the price and just waste a load of your time and still end up not buying anything. I guess it's all part of their culture, to barter on the price, but when they live here in the UK they should at least know by now that you are not going to get anywhere by adopting their approach, especially where a bespoke product is concerned. Well said Paul. That is the right approach. 👍
I totally understand your feelings, it does seem like it’s always the Asians who mess about, however I have to be fair and say that occasionally I have dealt with Asians who have been real gentleman.
It is the same in Australia, I learnt a long time ago when an Indian guy agreed to a price on a rare 1954 700 RE Meteor I had, he came with his sidekick mate to pick it up, this is after I had given it a complete service and detail which I said I would do, he offered cash at 25% less than the price we agreed, cash makes no difference to me, I told him to get stuffed and be on his way, he tried to back off and pay the agreed amount but I refused. Once bitten twice shy, no more of his type.
100% Paul. I had a bike for sale for 3500 one fool offered me 2k and said that that was even to much . The bike was worth 4k so i had already knocked of £500 . Chancers every where and will push my buttons and just tell them to walk away in short jerky movements . Like you i run a small workshop on my own and work bloody hard for my money . NO way am i going to give someone my hard earned cash. 👍👍👍
He just did not want a 750 pound engine enough and the seller just did not want 600 pounds enough so no sale. Some people will take something to the grave rather than sell it below what they think it is worth. I find that weird.
You're a very good and honest person Paul , I'm not sure what engine it is but I know for a fact that it would be a bargin coming from you . If the guy brought it for £600 he would probably put it straight back on eBay for £1200 .
That's called business. Just like in all the programmes we watch and love. Bikes, cars, antiques or whatever. I better email Henry Cole and tell him he's a time waster. Agreed?
G'day Paul, stand your ground, people like a discount but they shouldn't demand it, no means no, l had a complete 650 Norton engine and gear box going when pulled out of the bike, a bloke found out I had it and over a year l was pestered with low offers and all the reasons l should sell it, well l still have the motor, will sell when I'm ready, cheers mate, Neil 🤠.
If I’m selling something and I want £900 I’ll advertise it for £1100 then “ do a deal” with the bully who wants discount,sometimes I’ll drop as far as £900 😂
I offered 130k below asking on my house and settled at 100k below asking. I don't believe I got it particularly cheap, but I got it for a fair price and more than anyone else wanted to pay. It did take over a year to get it at my price, but ultimately I was proven right.
Houses are tricky, offers are just that, it’s easy to say no. In my experience far too many sellers of houses waste a lot of time overpricing their property, refusing cash offers that they deem to be insults and then eventually selling for less. I’ve seen this time and time again. Remember, if it was really worth what you were asking it would be sold already!
I concur with you Paul....I've always put realistic prices on things I'm trying to move on from, but I've always encountered ridiculous offers, it is human nature to get as much as they can for as little as possible, I know what things are worth and I price them accordingly...opportunists abound everywhere!😢
I had a Guzzi V50ii in very original condition. Running and riding bike at £1500, Chris Hall Motorcycles offered £800 he went down the B/S route. He said he'd come and view it, he didn't turn up twice then messaged meat 12-30am to try and arrange another viewing. I rang him and advised him in no uncertain terms to refrain from ever contacting again. I advertised another Guzzi, the buyer came saw the V50 and bought it for £2000 aswell as the one he came to buy. So as you can see I'm fully in tune with your post. Well done
Well said Paul. I had a similar experience. It's Insulting when you know your selling a fair price. If I have another like that I'd refuse to sell even if they decide to pay the full price!
When people take the piss for example I was selling a bike years back for six hundred quid, some cheeky sod said he would give my four hundred, I sad no eight hundred or we can meet in the middle at 600 or he could f off out of my yard. He gave six hundred. I find this approach works well!
As far as eBay goes what some people don't think, or care about is the seller has fees to pay to eBay for the transaction so what ever an item is listed at, if buy it now or what ever price an auction ends at the seller has to pay eBay a percentage of the final price for their services.
From my experience, the people that ask the least questions are the most likely to buy. I have sold two bikes recently, one turned up with a trailer (always a good sign) and also brought the cash. The second didn’t bargain at all and paid £5 over the asking price ! Neither of whom sent more than two messages, one of those was to ask for my address. You only need one buyer.
I sold a 1965 Matchless 250 incomplete and in bits on ebay a few years back for £300 . Guy gets intouch, comes over the next day and gave me some money and said "its all there mate" I counted it infront of him with him protesting " oh, so you dont trust me then!" Well, there was only £280 , I counted it again and he claimed his wife had counted it and he "thought" it was all there. He tried it on by saying "Oh well, its only £20" ... I said ... " Oh well the bike stays here until you get it ...There's a main road at the top of the street with many banks on ..take your pick !, " Miraculously ,straight away he found the extra £20 in his pocket with obvious fake surprise "OOH , thats lucky, I had £20 in my pocket" . What I didn't tell him when the auction ended was that I found an extra box of parts for the bike I was just going to give him for nothing .. I didn't give him the extra parts , but I did tell him I was going to , then I showed him the box and he was PISSED OFF, He saw another few hundred quid in that box (thats what I got for it on ebay later on) He wanted it so bad , but I told him NO , for being dishonest and sneaky . I know a guy who does autoumbles , he wants everything for nothing but I witnessed him at a jumble being asked by a guy if he would take £150 for a Smiths chronometric speedo when Pete had it priced up at £175 . Pete went batty at this fella saying how would he like it if he came along to remove £25 out of his wallet ?? And the next line was " I would rather smash it than be robbed of £25 " The would be buyer said " Your mad " Pete said "Yeah, I'm mad alright "and smashed it right infront of him.... Totally uncalled for and a complete overreaction and a complete waste of an original Smiths Chronometric speedo .
They get my goat when they use the address "Alright Mate" then ask how much I will take when I have put something up for auction. Do they not understand it is up to them to place a bid? Not my bloody mate if I don't know them from Adam.
Selling is a pain. It’s a joy when I meet someone like me buying: negotiate around the asking price or as I’ve priced to sell, just pay the asking price. If someone is making stupid offers they’ll continue to be stupid by not turning up or offering you less when they do than you’d agreed. Or by claiming some defect wasn’t brought to their attention so eBay needs to refund them in full. Etc etc. troublesome people are best avoided
I was selling a gs750 on flea bay once and a bloke turned up to look at it just because he hadn't seen one for a while, no intention of buying it. He didn't leave as a friend.
I sell lots of stuff and firmly believe that people want to win the tussle more than they want the item. Eventually they win their price and you never hear from them again.
The most annoying thing is people who keep coming back. Agree to sell or not to sell. Having agreed not to sell, they assume the deal is still live and you're open to further offers. I've had people act like the offended party because I'm not interested in a different offer every day. The hassle of answering their endless emails is sufficient to make me not sell at any price.
At jumbles I used to have my used and new parts separate. Old parts weren't priced and were open to haggle. New stuff was priced. If anyone tried to haggle the price on new parts, say it £20, they'd offer 15, and would look surprised when I said £25
I would tend to make an offer but not one that low!!! And as for the "ive seen one for £800" what a load of tosh You did the right thing telling him to go and buy that one Oh by the way if its still for sale i have a bag of magic beans to swap if you are interested paul??😂😂😅
If i think something i want is adevertised for too much, I will always offer what I think is the right price. Sometimes it's accepted, sometimes not. Sometimes some haggling might take place , sometimes I get a torrent of abuse. I'm always polite, most sellers are the same. I never buy from someone who starts ranting and there is no such thing as a low ball offer. An offer is just that, an offer.
I’ve sold lots of vehicles privately, cars and motorcycles. I just like to buy vehicles and improve them and then I get bored or want something else. I’m 59 now and have done this since 15 so well over 100 vehicles sold.. you could say I’m experienced. Also I did live in Asia for 15 years for 38 years old to 53 years old and still bought and sold a lot of vehicles. What have I learned. Ignore anyone whose first question is about price. I always clearly list asking price and say either no offers or sensible offers considered. “What’s your best price” to me is a big red flag. To be honest many people asking 900 for something will take 600, if the offer is genuine it’s cheeky but not a piss take unless you stated “no offers”. Asian way is to ask a high price and then haggle to make it seem like you got a good deal, it’s expected in some markets. To be fair I have sold to Asians and it’s been ok, but it’s rare simply because their way of doing business is usually incompatible with mine. If I agree a price then I stand by it, the Asian way is make an offer to see if you will negotiate and then on arrival offer even less. eBay is a mixed bag, some real gentlemen but a lot if sharks so buyers have to be careful and sellers also. Bottom line is that any genuine offer at all is not a piss take, as you can accept or decline at will. it’s the offers that are not genuine that are the hassle and I’ve learned to have a sixth sense for the problem ones.
I've got some parts that I intend to sell one day, but haven't got around to it. Some have been hanging around for years and maybe left over from making one good bike out of two. In reality they've cost me very little and are just taking up space. I imagine that if I come to sell them, I'll look for similar bits that others are selling and price mine a bit below that. If someone were to make a 'low ball' offer, I'd probably feel offended but they are not really 'taking money out my pocket'. All I've got, if I'm honest with myself, is clutter that I'll probably never use. For all the tales of buyers making piss-take offers, I bet we have also encountered those who feel that they have very rare treasure (with the clichéd description including "hen's teeth" ) for sale at a price that attracts no interest.
I agree, I also looked at prices others were offering similar items at and priced mine much lower, but obviously not low enough for at least one very real 'piss taker'.
I had a guy tell me he could have bought the same bike for £200 less than mine, I had a look and couldn't find anything for sale at that price but there was another the same price as mine and his response was "yeah but I can beat him down that much". Sold it in under 24 hours for the asking price anyway. I think some people just get off on thinking they ripped someone off when buying a bike so I always stick a bit extra on my price that I'll take off.
i had some one from europe ask if he could dismantle a honda cb50 and take it it back as hand lugguage on a aircraft, when i found a person to take it across the channel it went quiet
Had a guy wasted all day for me. Told me on the phone he would definitely buy the bike. Spent all day waiting for him. After three hours listening to him here he decided he did not want the bike. Talk about time wasters.
I get this a lot Paul, I offer something for a reasonable price, always less than I paid, and I get folk offering me pennies because it`s an "unknown" item or there are better deals elsewhere etc etc, it really pisses me off.
That damned platform eBay is a total dead loss. I have used it for many years but protocol keeps changing and its become a hawkers' and chancers' paradise. Sellers need to beware. Especially sending stuff abroad with that "Global Shipping Program".Nor do I like as a private seller having to send goods immediately once the buyer pays eBay and you have to wait up to 3 days for the money to go into your bank account.
When it comes to buying anything I will only pay or offer what it’s worth to me . Sometimes I will pay a bit over the odds ,if it’s a very good example & not normally found in such good nick for the age . If someone is really taking the pi55 ,& the stuff turns out to be really over priced tat , I will tell them that I would be doing them a favour if they paid me money to take it off their hands .
I sell some stuff on Facebook's Marketplace. It's free, but with everything I put up for sale there'll be somebody who makes a silly low offer. That's even though each ad I post clearly says that if you make an offer without seeing the item in person, you'll be refused out of hand. Of course, if they did come and see the item, they'd find some excuse to make an even lower offer. I don't even reply to them now.
Just say no. Take it or leave it. Last two cars I've bought have been brand new. Took the depreciation hit because fed up 'dealing' for years with twats in the second hand market. Worth it.
Been there hundreds of time's, don't give in and tell them to f##k off. We live in a global marketplace, and someone will want it at your price as long as you do your homework and the price is fair.
Good luck. Had the same problem many times. Had bikes for twenty years. I'll keep them another twenty. Nock a few quid of ok. But like you say don't get robbed.
As regards to your p,taker couldn’t agree more,tried to sell a bmw r100rs I spent a few bob on it ,understatement , the guys said 2000 on yer bike ,some time ago I sold a Kawasaki versus for 3200 this guy offered 2300 cos he said he wouldent use it much absolute joke
an Irish man phoned to inquire on a pair of boots was told £30 he said another shop had same boots for £20 sales guy told him go buy them for £20 he replied they haven't got none to which the sales guy replied we sell them for £20 when we've none oh says the Irish man I'll phone back when you not got none then.
I get tens of those messages daily i dont even reply just ignore them lol. Amongst all the stupid lowball offers i got offered "2k of good gear" for a bike last week, was offered a flatscreen tv and fish tank for a car and a puppy for a bike recently
Most of these low ballers are trying to make you a wholesaler so they can on-sell as a retailer. They know exactly what they are doing. Tell them to piss off. Another bs trick is apple afterpay, which is quite often a scam.
I sympathise with your frustration, but you got to understand its a totaly different market psycology in the Orient. Haggling is perfectly normal for them, this does not mean that the seller needs to give ground, you can hold your price and let market forces decide.🐞
Don't fret too much...at the end of the day it's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. If no one is prepared to pay what you are asking for it, then it is obviously worth more to you than it is anyone else. I do struggle with people who don't understand the meaning of the phrase 'no offers', though.
You’re right…list your merch., at a fair price, know what you’ll go down “giving a bit o’ ground” and go no further…the honest seller knows what their merch is worth…the bloke who wants to steal it can look elsewhere…fool me once, shame on you but I’m not giving you a second shot….
Sold a mountain bike last week - actually got £500 more than I asked for but that’s the exception rather than the rule. - same bike first offer full price to exclude competitors then tries to knock me down before he gets there - there are a lot of wankers out there
I would like to know when it became acceptable to offer a grand under the asking price. Fair do's, everyone wants a deal, but most jokers nowdays are taking the piss. Everyone expects a few hundred quid in a deal but lately it's gone stupid. It's insulting. I advertised my Harley last year, good spec, good price and the amount of chancers taking the piss was ridiculous. Funny how it's never face to face these days, all behind a keyboard. No wonder the value of stuff is plummeting.
The guy doesn’t want to buy the engine to use it. He’s trying to buy it cheap so he can resell it to someone else. If you sold it to him for 600 I guarantee you would see it for sale a week later for 1200.
It's only worth what someone is prepared to pay, you want top dollar which is understandable, the only way to find out is to auction it, then it will find its true price.
Welcome to the real world mate. He's made you an offer, not agreed a price then haggled when he came to collect. You're in control of the situation. Just say no and move on.
No worth getting upset.....loads of people out there like this....they get lucky sometimes.....wont be anything personal. Let it go....not the engine of course.
If you have a fair price in your mind then don't drop it unless you really have to be rid of it. I think the people looking for a deal are doing so because they are "dealers" and your loss will be their profit when they sell it on. Take it off the market for a while and someone else will want it in the future or better still put the price up due to inflation.
I used other examples for sale as a yardstick and set my price lower than those. I might have been more flexible on price if approached about it with less arrogance. I am not interested in what others want to tell me I should ask for it, it can stay here before I part with it to such a cheeky barsteward. The engine is an early RE 500 Twin, I was asking £900, he offered me £600, I said I would meet in the middle at £750, he said no, £600 as he knew of another for sale for £880 which was more complete than mine, so I said he'd best go and buy that one, then. Hitchcocks are asking £1440 for similar. I think I was being fair enough about it, don't you? I am not overly interested in what 'the panel' might think of my price - I am not forcing anyone to buy it, after all.
@@paulhenshaw4514 bullet 500 isn't very expensive to buy the whole bike if it's Indian, if it's original British, maybe worth a few quid more if it's serviceable I suppose.
@@paulhenshaw4514 terribly sorry, i was tired and somehow overlooked the re500 part, i love the early models, it's sad we lost the market to japàn. The British bike clubs have gone, patched over by American franchise clubs, and mostly ride Harley's. I miss the late 60s- early 70s British choppers. I recall being impressed with a honda sohc 750 in around 1979, but it was also a bit sad really, being the beginning of the end.
Not our business what the guy was selling or the price. He was trying to make a point about pi55 taking hagglers trying it on ! I totally agree with him 😐
If nobody buys it your price is to high.The market decides what its worth.If you dont want to sell to the bids coming in you will be stuck with it.Simpe as that.
Not sure what the problem is. Clearly no takers at the asking price, so I would have thought offers would be welcome. Personally I would much rather have low offers than no offers. Saying no thanks is very easy.
If your best offer received is 600, that is it's current market value. The 900 (or 750) is just what you value it at and ~8 billion currently people disagree with your valuation. He is not taking the piss, he is just telling you what he values it at. You can politely decline the offer but the longer it goes unsold the more likely the 600 offer was a better estimate of the achievable sale price value than your's.
And the one for sale for £1440? The one he saw for £880 but had apparently gone by the time he thought of buying it? He could have had mine for £750, where I agreed to meet him half way between his offer and my asking price. His loss, not mine.
@@paulhenshaw4514 You don't know what the £880 one sold for, that seller might have taken £650 and as it had a few more things than yours, it might have been better value. You don't know how much the £1440 might sell for either. It might sell for full price if someone wants one in a hurry and the dealer is just down the road from them. Alternatively, the dealer might still have it in 5 years time and when finally sold have lost money on it. The dealer (I hope) knows that even selling at a loss can avoid an even greater loss.
Mine might sell for £900, it won't be going anywhere for less than £750 for certain, though. Wonder how many views a video of me taking a sledge hammer to it might get? I wouldn't do that, but know of some who have, albeit not on video, but in front of those who made them a silly offer. It happens.
@@paulhenshaw4514 Yep, you just need a buyer that agrees with your perception of it's value. So far you have not found them and your best offer was £600 so that is what the current market values it at. The key is to remove as many objections to buying as you can reasonably remove. I once sold a set of wheels/tyres for full asking price because I said I could deliver them that day. He could not collect them because his only car needed wheels and I had a set. As it turned out I was already going to visit my niece that day in the same suburb so it was an easy thing for me and he was over the moon that they came right to his door an hour after he rang me.
He's had his chance Paul... Next time he contacts you tell him the price is back up to £900... He wants it delivered for nothing and wants it for free..
I don’t quite think you understand how selling things works. You can ask £900 all day every day and if the best offer you get is £600 that’s how much it is worth in money because the other option is you hang onto it and in that case it is worth zero in pounds you get the money if you sell it that sounds very cruel but that’s just how it works you can ask all you want, but if no one prepared to give you that price that’s not what it’s worth that’s what you want for it. They’re not the same thing
All well and good, but approach me with the sort of attitude that this guy did and it's not for sale. I fully understand how buying and selling works and I offered some middle ground, but that wasn't enough. He can go and whistle for it and try bidding down one of the more expensive ones that are for sale, his loss not mine.
If it was worth £900 it would've sold already. If it's been on eBay for quite a long time, that suggests you're asking too much. Inevitably you're going to get people who are interested, but don't like the price, watching it not sell, week after week, and then thinking "I'll just lowball the guy and see if he'll sell it". That's how commerce works... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What's wrong with you? Do you not haggle? Have we got someone here who won't haggle? Your supposed to haggle.
I offered to meet him in the middle at £750, I am not going to give the bloody thing away! I can 'hagg;e as you put it, but I won't have pricks taking the piss.
@@paulhenshaw4514 Of course, you have to meet at a price where both parties are happy. Or both are unhappy, depending on how you choose to see it. But if the very best offer you've had, after months of trying to sell it, is £600... Maybe that's all it's worth?
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A guy agreed to buy my beautifully restored early Honda C90. He drove 150 miles in a hired van and duly turned up bang on time. Nice chap only it turned out he's 'misunderstood' the price we'd agreed and only brought an amount 350 pound short. Silence. Stared at me waiting for me to say that as he had come so far etc etc. I remained silent too. Eventually, he goes back to the van and 'finds' the rest of the cash..... cheeky sod.
The bloody cheek eh
I`ve had this, chap agrees a price and then turns up saying "look I`ve got £XXX on me, will you accept that?"
@@angelsone-five7912 I have had that, and the last time it happened the guy turned up with 2200 after agreeing 2500. He had driven 120 miles, and though he said he would be there in 2 hours he took 4 hours and kept me waiting. So I said, no thanks but seeing as you think it’s ok to renegotiate I now want 2800. He suddenly come up with the 2500 but I stood my ground and watched him drive away.
One of the best things about living in Britain was the way that we did business, where we agreed a price, shook hands and that was it; now however, all that has gone and nobody sticks to their word. A friend of mine is an electrician and he refuses to work for Indian people, because they keep wanting extra work done for the agreed price, culminating in one customer who started demanding extra work without paying for it angering my pal so much that he pulled all of his wires back out of the walls and told him to stuff it.
I've been in retail for nearly 40 years and I have never ever sold anything to an Asian. I don't even bother too reply to them anymore as they piss you about or try to barter on the price and just waste a load of your time and still end up not buying anything. I guess it's all part of their culture, to barter on the price, but when they live here in the UK they should at least know by now that you are not going to get anywhere by adopting their approach, especially where a bespoke product is concerned. Well said Paul. That is the right approach. 👍
*barter
You mean haggle anyway mate, barter is an exchange of goods…..
I totally understand your feelings, it does seem like it’s always the Asians who mess about, however I have to be fair and say that occasionally I have dealt with Asians who have been real gentleman.
Never trust an Asian. Simple
It is the same in Australia, I learnt a long time ago when an Indian guy agreed to a price on a rare 1954 700 RE Meteor I had, he came with his sidekick mate to pick it up, this is after I had given it a complete service and detail which I said I would do, he offered cash at 25% less than the price we agreed, cash makes no difference to me, I told him to get stuffed and be on his way, he tried to back off and pay the agreed amount but I refused. Once bitten twice shy, no more of his type.
100% Paul. I had a bike for sale for 3500 one fool offered me 2k and said that that was even to much . The bike was worth 4k so i had already knocked of £500 . Chancers every where and will push my buttons and just tell them to walk away in short jerky movements . Like you i run a small workshop on my own and work bloody hard for my money . NO way am i going to give someone my hard earned cash. 👍👍👍
I think meeting him in the middle was perfectly reasonable. People are weird.
He just did not want a 750 pound engine enough and the seller just did not want 600 pounds enough so no sale. Some people will take something to the grave rather than sell it below what they think it is worth. I find that weird.
Well said Paul, stand your ground. Thanks for sound, advice you give away freely.🏍👍
Well said Paul.
These people are EVERYWHERE.
they walk among us...
You're a very good and honest person Paul , I'm not sure what engine it is but I know for a fact that it would be a bargin coming from you . If the guy brought it for £600 he would probably put it straight back on eBay for £1200 .
Well if Paul can't sell it for 900 after quite a while how would someone else sell the same for 1200?
@@sindento1942 Because you barter on eBay so probably settle for between £800 - £900 . Still a good profit for a flip 🙃 .
That's called business. Just like in all the programmes we watch and love. Bikes, cars, antiques or whatever. I better email Henry Cole and tell him he's a time waster. Agreed?
Nice one Paul 👍 tell them we're to get off. Chris.
'No' is a simple but powerful word, use it freely
G'day Paul, stand your ground, people like a discount but they shouldn't demand it, no means no, l had a complete 650 Norton engine and gear box going when pulled out of the bike, a bloke found out I had it and over a year l was pestered with low offers and all the reasons l should sell it, well l still have the motor, will sell when I'm ready, cheers mate, Neil 🤠.
If I’m selling something and I want £900 I’ll advertise it for £1100 then “ do a deal” with the bully who wants discount,sometimes I’ll drop as far as £900 😂
I think you are absolutely right. Do love a rant.
We are trying to sell our house our home and they say they want £100000 off the price. Jokers.
Cash is king, I lowballed a bankrupt solicitor on his house, 27 years later, I'm still here.
I offered 130k below asking on my house and settled at 100k below asking. I don't believe I got it particularly cheap, but I got it for a fair price and more than anyone else wanted to pay. It did take over a year to get it at my price, but ultimately I was proven right.
Houses are tricky, offers are just that, it’s easy to say no. In my experience far too many sellers of houses waste a lot of time overpricing their property, refusing cash offers that they deem to be insults and then eventually selling for less. I’ve seen this time and time again. Remember, if it was really worth what you were asking it would be sold already!
He wasn't Henry Cole was he ?
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Is that bloke still about?
Can't stand him
Lol😂
that twat is turning up in my bike magazine.Time for a new magazine.
I concur with you Paul....I've always put realistic prices on things I'm trying to move on from, but I've always encountered ridiculous offers, it is human nature to get as much as they can for as little as possible, I know what things are worth and I price them accordingly...opportunists abound everywhere!😢
I had a Guzzi V50ii in very original condition. Running and riding bike at £1500, Chris Hall Motorcycles offered £800 he went down the B/S route. He said he'd come and view it, he didn't turn up twice then messaged meat 12-30am to try and arrange another viewing. I rang him and advised him in no uncertain terms to refrain from ever contacting again. I advertised another Guzzi, the buyer came saw the V50 and bought it for £2000 aswell as the one he came to buy. So as you can see I'm fully in tune with your post. Well done
I have been selling bike parts full time on ebay for 20 years, did you know there is blocked bidder fuction? It means they can't message you any more.
Well said Paul. I had a similar experience. It's Insulting when you know your selling a fair price. If I have another like that I'd refuse to sell even if they decide to pay the full price!
When people take the piss for example I was selling a bike years back for six hundred quid, some cheeky sod said he would give my four hundred, I sad no eight hundred or we can meet in the middle at 600 or he could f off out of my yard. He gave six hundred. I find this approach works well!
Lol fair play to you 👍
As far as eBay goes what some people don't think, or care about is the seller has fees to pay to eBay for the transaction so what ever an item is listed at, if buy it now or what ever price an auction ends at the seller has to pay eBay a percentage of the final price for their services.
From my experience, the people that ask the least questions are the most likely to buy.
I have sold two bikes recently, one turned up with a trailer (always a good sign) and also brought the cash. The second didn’t bargain at all and paid £5 over the asking price !
Neither of whom sent more than two messages, one of those was to ask for my address.
You only need one buyer.
I sold a 1965 Matchless 250 incomplete and in bits on ebay a few years back for £300 .
Guy gets intouch, comes over the next day and gave me some money and said "its all there mate"
I counted it infront of him with him protesting " oh, so you dont trust me then!"
Well, there was only £280 , I counted it again and he claimed his wife had counted it and he "thought" it was all there.
He tried it on by saying "Oh well, its only £20" ...
I said ... " Oh well the bike stays here until you get it ...There's a main road at the top of the street with many banks on ..take your pick !, "
Miraculously ,straight away he found the extra £20 in his pocket with obvious fake surprise "OOH , thats lucky, I had £20 in my pocket" .
What I didn't tell him when the auction ended was that I found an extra box of parts for the bike I was just going to give him for nothing ..
I didn't give him the extra parts , but I did tell him I was going to , then I showed him the box and he was PISSED OFF, He saw another few hundred quid in that box (thats what I got for it on ebay later on)
He wanted it so bad , but I told him NO , for being dishonest and sneaky .
I know a guy who does autoumbles , he wants everything for nothing but I witnessed him at a jumble being asked by a guy if he would take £150 for a Smiths chronometric speedo when Pete had it priced up at £175 .
Pete went batty at this fella saying how would he like it if he came along to remove £25 out of his wallet ??
And the next line was " I would rather smash it than be robbed of £25 " The would be buyer said " Your mad "
Pete said "Yeah, I'm mad alright "and smashed it right infront of him.... Totally uncalled for and a complete overreaction and a complete waste of an original Smiths Chronometric speedo .
They get my goat when they use the address "Alright Mate" then ask how much I will take when I have put something up for auction. Do they not understand it is up to them to place a bid? Not my bloody mate if I don't know them from Adam.
Selling is a pain. It’s a joy when I meet someone like me buying: negotiate around the asking price or as I’ve priced to sell, just pay the asking price. If someone is making stupid offers they’ll continue to be stupid by not turning up or offering you less when they do than you’d agreed. Or by claiming some defect wasn’t brought to their attention so eBay needs to refund them in full. Etc etc. troublesome people are best avoided
I was selling a gs750 on flea bay once and a bloke turned up to look at it just because he hadn't seen one for a while, no intention of buying it. He didn't leave as a friend.
I sell lots of stuff and firmly believe that people want to win the tussle more than they want the item. Eventually they win their price and you never hear from them again.
The most annoying thing is people who keep coming back. Agree to sell or not to sell. Having agreed not to sell, they assume the deal is still live and you're open to further offers. I've had people act like the offended party because I'm not interested in a different offer every day. The hassle of answering their endless emails is sufficient to make me not sell at any price.
At jumbles I used to have my used and new parts separate. Old parts weren't priced and were open to haggle. New stuff was priced. If anyone tried to haggle the price on new parts, say it £20, they'd offer 15, and would look surprised when I said £25
I would tend to make an offer but not one that low!!!
And as for the "ive seen one for £800" what a load of tosh
You did the right thing telling him to go and buy that one
Oh by the way if its still for sale i have a bag of magic beans to swap if you are interested paul??😂😂😅
If i think something i want is adevertised for too much, I will always offer what I think is the right price. Sometimes it's accepted, sometimes not. Sometimes some haggling might take place , sometimes I get a torrent of abuse.
I'm always polite, most sellers are the same.
I never buy from someone who starts ranting and there is no such thing as a low ball offer. An offer is just that, an offer.
I’ve sold lots of vehicles privately, cars and motorcycles. I just like to buy vehicles and improve them and then I get bored or want something else. I’m 59 now and have done this since 15 so well over 100 vehicles sold.. you could say I’m experienced. Also I did live in Asia for 15 years for 38 years old to 53 years old and still bought and sold a lot of vehicles. What have I learned. Ignore anyone whose first question is about price. I always clearly list asking price and say either no offers or sensible offers considered. “What’s your best price” to me is a big red flag. To be honest many people asking 900 for something will take 600, if the offer is genuine it’s cheeky but not a piss take unless you stated “no offers”.
Asian way is to ask a high price and then haggle to make it seem like you got a good deal, it’s expected in some markets. To be fair I have sold to Asians and it’s been ok, but it’s rare simply because their way of doing business is usually incompatible with mine. If I agree a price then I stand by it, the Asian way is make an offer to see if you will negotiate and then on arrival offer even less.
eBay is a mixed bag, some real gentlemen but a lot if sharks so buyers have to be careful and sellers also. Bottom line is that any genuine offer at all is not a piss take, as you can accept or decline at will. it’s the offers that are not genuine that are the hassle and I’ve learned to have a sixth sense for the problem ones.
I've got some parts that I intend to sell one day, but haven't got around to it. Some have been hanging around for years and maybe left over from making one good bike out of two. In reality they've cost me very little and are just taking up space. I imagine that if I come to sell them, I'll look for similar bits that others are selling and price mine a bit below that.
If someone were to make a 'low ball' offer, I'd probably feel offended but they are not really 'taking money out my pocket'. All I've got, if I'm honest with myself, is clutter that I'll probably never use.
For all the tales of buyers making piss-take offers, I bet we have also encountered those who feel that they have very rare treasure (with the clichéd description including "hen's teeth" ) for sale at a price that attracts no interest.
I agree, I also looked at prices others were offering similar items at and priced mine much lower, but obviously not low enough for at least one very real 'piss taker'.
Tell them to “make a noise like a C and F off”.
I had a guy tell me he could have bought the same bike for £200 less than mine, I had a look and couldn't find anything for sale at that price but there was another the same price as mine and his response was "yeah but I can beat him down that much". Sold it in under 24 hours for the asking price anyway. I think some people just get off on thinking they ripped someone off when buying a bike so I always stick a bit extra on my price that I'll take off.
i had some one from europe ask if he could dismantle a honda cb50 and take it it back as hand lugguage on a aircraft, when i found a person to take it across the channel it went quiet
Had a guy wasted all day for me. Told me on the phone he would definitely buy the bike. Spent all day waiting for him. After three hours listening to him here he decided he did not want the bike. Talk about time wasters.
Paul, if you've ever sold a car on ebay you'll soon realise how many dreamers and time wasters there are out there.
When i was selling my v12 xjs HE,the 1st question with many was,'how much does it do to the gallon'! Obviously no intention of buying it
I get this a lot Paul, I offer something for a reasonable price, always less than I paid, and I get folk offering me pennies because it`s an "unknown" item or there are better deals elsewhere etc etc, it really pisses me off.
That damned platform eBay is a total dead loss. I have used it for many years but protocol keeps changing and its become a hawkers' and chancers' paradise. Sellers need to beware. Especially sending stuff abroad with that "Global Shipping Program".Nor do I like as a private seller having to send goods immediately once the buyer pays eBay and you have to wait up to 3 days for the money to go into your bank account.
I usually haggle up Paul, you should have said £950.00 they soon understand the price is fair or they can as the yanks say 'go kick rocks'
A lot of these characters are flippers. They want to buy it from you for nothing so they can resell it ten minutes later for a profit. Sod them.
When it comes to buying anything I will only pay or offer what it’s worth to me . Sometimes I will pay a bit over the odds ,if it’s a very good example & not normally found in such good nick for the age . If someone is really taking the pi55 ,& the stuff turns out to be really over priced tat , I will tell them that I would be doing them a favour if they paid me money to take it off their hands .
I sell some stuff on Facebook's Marketplace. It's free, but with everything I put up for sale there'll be somebody who makes a silly low offer. That's even though each ad I post clearly says that if you make an offer without seeing the item in person, you'll be refused out of hand.
Of course, if they did come and see the item, they'd find some excuse to make an even lower offer. I don't even reply to them now.
Just say no. Take it or leave it. Last two cars I've bought have been brand new. Took the depreciation hit because fed up 'dealing' for years with twats in the second hand market. Worth it.
Been there hundreds of time's, don't give in and tell them to f##k off. We live in a global marketplace, and someone will want it at your price as long as you do your homework and the price is fair.
Good luck. Had the same problem many times. Had bikes for twenty years. I'll keep them another twenty. Nock a few quid of ok. But like you say don't get robbed.
As regards to your p,taker couldn’t agree more,tried to sell a bmw r100rs I spent a few bob on it ,understatement , the guys said 2000 on yer bike ,some time ago I sold a Kawasaki versus for 3200 this guy offered 2300 cos he said he wouldent use it much absolute joke
Hi Paul. I'l give you £500 for that Trident and take a chance! Love a good rant!
Anyone who rides a Trident T150V can't be all bad 🙂
an Irish man phoned to inquire on a pair of boots was told £30 he said another shop had same boots for £20
sales guy told him go buy them for £20 he replied they haven't got none to which the sales guy replied we sell them for £20 when we've none oh says the Irish man I'll phone back when you not got none then.
I get tens of those messages daily i dont even reply just ignore them lol. Amongst all the stupid lowball offers i got offered "2k of good gear" for a bike last week, was offered a flatscreen tv and fish tank for a car and a puppy for a bike recently
Most of these low ballers are trying to make you a wholesaler so they can on-sell as a retailer. They know exactly what they are doing. Tell them to piss off. Another bs trick is apple afterpay, which is quite often a scam.
I sympathise with your frustration, but you got to understand its a totaly different market psycology in the Orient. Haggling is perfectly normal for them, this does not mean that the seller needs to give ground, you can hold your price and let market forces decide.🐞
I am sure he was from this country, as he was on about collecting it if I accepted his low offer.
Don't fret too much...at the end of the day it's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. If no one is prepared to pay what you are asking for it, then it is obviously worth more to you than it is anyone else.
I do struggle with people who don't understand the meaning of the phrase 'no offers', though.
You’re right…list your merch., at a fair price, know what you’ll go down “giving a bit o’ ground” and go no further…the honest seller knows what their merch is worth…the bloke who wants to steal it can look elsewhere…fool me once, shame on you but I’m not giving you a second shot….
Sold a mountain bike last week - actually got £500 more than I asked for but that’s the exception rather than the rule. - same bike first offer full price to exclude competitors then tries to knock me down before he gets there - there are a lot of wankers out there
I would like to know when it became acceptable to offer a grand under the asking price. Fair do's, everyone wants a deal, but most jokers nowdays are taking the piss. Everyone expects a few hundred quid in a deal but lately it's gone stupid. It's insulting. I advertised my Harley last year, good spec, good price and the amount of chancers taking the piss was ridiculous. Funny how it's never face to face these days, all behind a keyboard. No wonder the value of stuff is plummeting.
Totally agree.
He's not interested in motorbikes.....
I may have missed it, but what engine was it? and what was missing from it?
It is a largely complete, but rather worn RE 500 Twin.
Well said indeed.
The guy doesn’t want to buy the engine to use it. He’s trying to buy it cheap so he can resell it to someone else. If you sold it to him for 600 I guarantee you would see it for sale a week later for 1200.
Spot on 👍
It's only worth what someone is prepared to pay, you want top dollar which is understandable, the only way to find out is to auction it, then it will find its true price.
How can I be asking 'Top Dollar' when others are asking more for theirs?
Welcome to the real world mate. He's made you an offer, not agreed a price then haggled when he came to collect. You're in control of the situation. Just say no and move on.
Well said Paul !!
No worth getting upset.....loads of people out there like this....they get lucky sometimes.....wont be anything personal.
Let it go....not the engine of course.
If you have a fair price in your mind then don't drop it unless you really have to be rid of it. I think the people looking for a deal are doing so because they are "dealers" and your loss will be their profit when they sell it on. Take it off the market for a while and someone else will want it in the future or better still put the price up due to inflation.
But what engine is it? Perhaps if you mentioned, we could calculate whether you're just greedy or generous.
I used other examples for sale as a yardstick and set my price lower than those. I might have been more flexible on price if approached about it with less arrogance. I am not interested in what others want to tell me I should ask for it, it can stay here before I part with it to such a cheeky barsteward. The engine is an early RE 500 Twin, I was asking £900, he offered me £600, I said I would meet in the middle at £750, he said no, £600 as he knew of another for sale for £880 which was more complete than mine, so I said he'd best go and buy that one, then. Hitchcocks are asking £1440 for similar. I think I was being fair enough about it, don't you? I am not overly interested in what 'the panel' might think of my price - I am not forcing anyone to buy it, after all.
@@paulhenshaw4514 bullet 500 isn't very expensive to buy the whole bike if it's Indian, if it's original British, maybe worth a few quid more if it's serviceable I suppose.
Like I said, it is not a Bullet, but a rather rare 500 Twin, made in England.
@@paulhenshaw4514 terribly sorry, i was tired and somehow overlooked the re500 part, i love the early models, it's sad we lost the market to japàn. The British bike clubs have gone, patched over by American franchise clubs, and mostly ride Harley's. I miss the late 60s- early 70s British choppers. I recall being impressed with a honda sohc 750 in around 1979, but it was also a bit sad really, being the beginning of the end.
Not our business what the guy was selling or the price. He was trying to make a point about pi55 taking hagglers trying it on ! I totally agree with him 😐
Just say “ no deal”.
Something is worth what you can sell it for, not the value a vendor puts on it. The market decides. No, how the negotions go is another matter.
Yes, and if it doesn't sell, I will just keep it.
Some people eh ,cheeky sods they are good on yer paul 👍
In a nutshell, that’s why I voted for Brexit. We gave Europe loads of money and they gave a bit back and said we had a good deal.
I agree.
It’s idiots like you that put us in the mess we’re in.
If nobody buys it your price is to high.The market decides what its worth.If you dont want to sell to the bids coming in you will be stuck with it.Simpe as that.
300 quid , and free shipping.
And perhaps sir might like a free rebuild thrown in ...
@@paulhenshaw4514 Thanks , Paul!
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@@paulhenshaw4514 Thanks Paul.
Thanks Paul.
Not sure what the problem is. Clearly no takers at the asking price, so I would have thought offers would be welcome.
Personally I would much rather have low offers than no offers.
Saying no thanks is very easy.
It was the attitude of the person making the low offer more than anything, and no one will be taking it anywhere at that price.
Welcome to the real world.
I have been in it for a long time already, thanks ...
Buyer seller dynamics are the normal and nothing worthy of s rant.
In my own situation, I will be the judge of that, thank you.
Well done
Good on ya mate
Good rant
good on you paul stick to your guns
If your best offer received is 600, that is it's current market value. The 900 (or 750) is just what you value it at and ~8 billion currently people disagree with your valuation. He is not taking the piss, he is just telling you what he values it at. You can politely decline the offer but the longer it goes unsold the more likely the 600 offer was a better estimate of the achievable sale price value than your's.
And the one for sale for £1440? The one he saw for £880 but had apparently gone by the time he thought of buying it? He could have had mine for £750, where I agreed to meet him half way between his offer and my asking price. His loss, not mine.
@@paulhenshaw4514 You don't know what the £880 one sold for, that seller might have taken £650 and as it had a few more things than yours, it might have been better value. You don't know how much the £1440 might sell for either. It might sell for full price if someone wants one in a hurry and the dealer is just down the road from them. Alternatively, the dealer might still have it in 5 years time and when finally sold have lost money on it. The dealer (I hope) knows that even selling at a loss can avoid an even greater loss.
Mine might sell for £900, it won't be going anywhere for less than £750 for certain, though. Wonder how many views a video of me taking a sledge hammer to it might get? I wouldn't do that, but know of some who have, albeit not on video, but in front of those who made them a silly offer. It happens.
@@paulhenshaw4514 Yep, you just need a buyer that agrees with your perception of it's value. So far you have not found them and your best offer was £600 so that is what the current market values it at. The key is to remove as many objections to buying as you can reasonably remove. I once sold a set of wheels/tyres for full asking price because I said I could deliver them that day. He could not collect them because his only car needed wheels and I had a set. As it turned out I was already going to visit my niece that day in the same suburb so it was an easy thing for me and he was over the moon that they came right to his door an hour after he rang me.
He's had his chance Paul... Next time he contacts you tell him the price is back up to £900... He wants it delivered for nothing and wants it for free..
I don’t quite think you understand how selling things works. You can ask £900 all day every day and if the best offer you get is £600 that’s how much it is worth in money because the other option is you hang onto it and in that case it is worth zero in pounds you get the money if you sell it that sounds very cruel but that’s just how it works you can ask all you want, but if no one prepared to give you that price that’s not what it’s worth that’s what you want for it. They’re not the same thing
All well and good, but approach me with the sort of attitude that this guy did and it's not for sale. I fully understand how buying and selling works and I offered some middle ground, but that wasn't enough. He can go and whistle for it and try bidding down one of the more expensive ones that are for sale, his loss not mine.
If it was worth £900 it would've sold already. If it's been on eBay for quite a long time, that suggests you're asking too much. Inevitably you're going to get people who are interested, but don't like the price, watching it not sell, week after week, and then thinking "I'll just lowball the guy and see if he'll sell it".
That's how commerce works... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What's wrong with you? Do you not haggle? Have we got someone here who won't haggle? Your supposed to haggle.
I offered to meet him in the middle at £750, I am not going to give the bloody thing away! I can 'hagg;e as you put it, but I won't have pricks taking the piss.
@@paulhenshaw4514 Of course, you have to meet at a price where both parties are happy. Or both are unhappy, depending on how you choose to see it.
But if the very best offer you've had, after months of trying to sell it, is £600... Maybe that's all it's worth?
I never sell to asians or eastern europeans.....not worth the hassle.
There are some wastes of space from Britain too, mind.