OH SH*T! Blackbear Pass will never be the same for us.
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2021
- It doesn't matter how capable your rig is or how much experience you have. Wheeling is a dangerous sport. In this adventure we talk about a few fundamentals to staying safe and handling the situation when the odds are stacked against you.
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My brothers and I did BBP in August this year; that one spot is tricky. For all those naysayers: acknowledge there was a lot done right here. Calm and carefully toned voice. Concise instructions. No statements of accusations, questions or yelling. One person took control, rather than others jumping in and just doing stuff (ie: the guy behind offered a winch, but did what the trail boss instructed without question or second guessing). Finally, a pause to talk it out and/or shake off the jitters. I took a chance to read the channel bio. As a father of four (all my kids are 6 and younger), I will one day lead my kids down this trail and others. If I have the family dynamic correct, kudos to Mom for being so supportive (and not yelling at Dad). In fact, I find nothing critical to say, because for any of us that wheel, we all will find/have found ourselves in hairy situations, and the ability to analyze, learn and wheel on with more experience is valuable. And, that means campfire stories for a lifetime. Kudos Mom and Dad for a job well done.
Thank you for the kind words and understanding. We are all continuing to learn and grow; this message of encouragement is exactly what we needed!
@@pepperandmintoffroad 2 door jeep. ban them. first to roll. what tire pressure you running,30 psi.?.. she needs some training,as you all do. we have registered clubs. that ease you into it,know your vehicle first,& its limits. ausie.. NEVER,TRY TO STOP A 2 TON VEHICLE FROM ROLLING . dead man walking..stupid thing to do..
@@pepperandmintoffroad thats a good experience at the start of a trail,,,to lock it up & get a taxi home....
@@pepperandmintoffroad auto,real good,you panic,no control,. get a manual..only yuppies here drive auto 4x4rs..
@@pepperandmintoffroad she,s your doughter,?.& you bought her a death trap.?. i saw an fj, fall over,1 ft step. too short,too square..ifs garbage. fj,s are a re bodied prado. rubbish.. only good 4x4rs here in aus,are the 80 series 4.2tdi toyota,with 4" lift. & the gu nissan,same.. my bronco has an sas ..zf 5sp dana 60 front rear..
People that panic that much probably shouldnt be doing this. theres a reason my GF refuses to drive my jeep offroad, and gets out for almost all the fun stuff cause she's panicky too. that's what gets people rolled off the edge. You did a good job calming her down
100%, this is the comment I was looking for before I posted something similar.
I’ve been doing this for a year, I can easily say the only reason I panicked this much was because I was worried for my dads life. A great experience though. Make sure to check out other videos if you have not already!😉
*Rule #1. Avoid natural selection
@@catlyn1566 Since you’ve replied… You were panicking before he got to you, and it was understandable because you were very close to rolling. We all have limits. Our safety and others’ depends on us recognizing that.
@@catlyn1566 it is ok to panic and also to admit to it no big deal, just wear a diaper next time you go 4x4ing lol
Sometimes movement is better than being stopped. The orange Jeep that was teetering is a perfect example. I know it's hard and you want to smash the brake but if you'd let it roll out of that spot, you'd would have been golden. When I was in this SAME spot in the rain in my RRover, I desperately wanted it to STOP and it kept sliding forward and I was pushing with full force of my leg on the brake. It took a great deal of discipline to release pressure and let it roll out of that spot. My left brain was saying, "a controlled decent is better than a slide" and my right brain was saying, "smash the brake harder, HARDER!" Fun times. I've done BBP twice and miss it a lot.
She took the worst path she could take, doing offroad courses is not useless..Thank you for sharing these beautiful images of the Black Bear Pass...
One more thing I may add is not to listen to music while going down this part of the trail. You need to hear the squeaks, rattles, the wheel sliding, etc and most important outside communication
And record out the window with one hand while driving with the other. Lots of things we should be doing better.
@@pepperandmintoffroad try no hands, that's how the pros do it! lol
Hold my beer!@@chrisguapo69
9:10 your calmness in spotting her made ALL the difference. Great job. She better buy you a 6 pack for that one 👍 She deserves a 👏 👏 👏 for continuing on to. I bet she has a higher pucker tolerance now 😂
Yeah. I don't know of too many trails that are as intimidating as this one. She beat her fears and beat the trail. All other trails will be "whatever".
@@tennesseevalleyoffroaders1211 Yeah, so long she has her baby sitters with her!
10:00 the importance of staying calm and not letting your fear cloud your thought process.
The leader/spotter did an amazing job getting her down. And super smart to let her offload the adrenaline before continuing.
I remember this day! We were the white Jeep from Florida that joined you guys just before the summit. So awesome to rewatch this! Thank you for sharing!
well done! What was and could have gone bad was kept calm and helped her off that step. Well done!
The videos do no justice! My wife and I took our wedding photos overlooking telluride we also completed engineer, corkscrew, last dollar and Ophir pass! I’ve been reminiscing a lot lately! The entire area is so breathtaking.
She needs more seat time before going on a mind screw trail that is easy but has the potential to freak people out to the point of costly panic mistakes
Exactly. Tires slide on rocks. No biggy
Easy? 🤣 it ain’t easy if it’s dangerous
But yeah when you almost tip like that you gotta gas it that’s all you can do she got very lucky
@@DooberD33You do NOT gas it. You just don't brake. You literally have no idea wtf you're talking about. Gassing it is worse than braking. Good god.
Phew! Man, great job staying calm! Nice work!
You did a great job keeping calm and talking kiddo through it.
I hope no one is discouraged in trying the trail watching this video. There is nothing difficult about the trail, picking bad lines can make any trail look difficult. Stock jeeps and tacomas can do this just fine.
No joke, now people are gonna watch this video and judge the trail based on the experiences of a bunch of BJBs, one of which is a grown man that named his jeep "Enigma" ...
The route the girl took was absolutely horrendous, seems like an unexperienced driver as well. Family and I have done this in stock tjs and jks, even a few new jls, this trail is not that hard.
@@txtallywhacker Lol!
I'm trying to figure out how she ended up hanging a tire in the first place. Just let off the brakes and let it roll down.
This trail is basicly a fire route. And a well packed down one at that.
BBP is an amazing trail. Definitely not for the faint of heart! Thanks for sharing.
Magnificent coaching in that moment. 👌🏾👍🏾
Man that was Harry!!! Glad you could talk her down & took control! Nice work.
Whoo scary ehh! Glad there is experience in the convoy, I will probably never do this trail so props to you guys for completing it 👏
Oh wowww, what an amazing view 😊
You did awesome and so did she.
Great job Jeepster Gal. Awesome
Glad youall made a safe trip, My wife has driven all the trails in that area except Black Bear, No matter how experienced you are bad things happen on that trail. I will not put her behind the wheel on that trail. There are slick. sliding loose gravel places where you can lose control. Stay happy and safe, keep the Ladies on the hard, technical trail, but not deadly ones, If that Lady had tipped on the steps instead of the ledge, You guys would have a Funeral to plan. Do not show off by pushing the Ladies to do dangerous trails. Words of wisdom from a guy who drove off Engineer trail with my Wife beside me. I was very experienced. Drove all the trails for over 40 years. Then the mistake, lack of concentration, and overconfident.
I'm glad you're okay after driving off Engineer! Thanks so much for the comment!
Humility is IMPORTANT. Thanks for sharing.
The only two things positive I can say about this video is it the guy did a good job keeping an amateur calm and that no one died. No way in hell she should’ve been on this trail if that little bitty step down is going to cause her to get the position she did. I live here and I’ve done this trail twice. I am amazed she got past 1341 in the timeline if that little stairstep gave her so much trouble. I know that this is a one-way trail but I’m amazed that you guys did not turn around in an effort to protect her life after the episode she had at 935 in the time line. Thank God she didn’t roll it.
Nah it’s cool
Great job getting all those people through. I'll bet they all feel a wonderful sense of accomplishment with your guidance.
That guy was super professional and stayed calm like a pro. Big pat on the back to that guy
Can’t wait to go awesome video thank you
Great job with the calm soothing voice.
Awesome view at 14:22. The saying is "I'm not afraid of dying, I'm just afraid of getting hurt"
Awesome Video !! 👍
Very well done .🙂🙂
This guy ruled. With knowledge. Great job!
She should not be d riving that road until she gets her shit together. She is a dangerous driver.
the rush is why you do it... good job
Looks like fun, and a hell of a lot easier than doing 100 sit-ups a day.
So it’s like the bomb tech running theory. Don’t panic until your spotter panics. Well done keeping her calm!
I would follow that guy. Calm and in command.
Watching this reminds me of how sore my upper body would get after a day in Moab, only realizing in the evening that my steering muscles were tense the whole day. I’m laying in bed and holding my phone the way I’d hold onto my wheel back when I had my Jeep, and it’s exhausting.
Wow what an adventure looks scary but what a rush !!!
Great job. Black Bear Pass is no joke. Once and done for us. It wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t closed down in the near future.
Let's hope not. We are ready to go back!!
Having done this road and Schofield Pass I would only recommend turning off the tunes for the tricky parts so you can focus on what the rig is doing. Also those brakes were really squeaky that would make me nervous on that descent lol
I remember my first 3 wheel; it can feel way scarier than it actually is.
I would have been happy to hve you as a guide to teach me. That girl freaked out a bit but it’s okay and your calmness helped
Hol-eee $#!t !!! Just watching this got my heart pounding and my * clenched up - pucker factor 9.3 or so! But, OMG, the scenery! Such beautiful mountains. I live here in Key West and a local company rents out fat tire / high clearance Jeeps to tourist wanna-be's. Maybe they pretend they're driving the Black Bear Pass while negotiating the treacherous ride up to the highest elevation on our island - 14' above sea level. XD
Best regards,
Capt. Blackheart Charlie
Props to her. All I see is a great job not mashing the brake and rolling.
Amazing video thanks for sharing
That looks super scary but beautiful.
Great spotting!
Great Job guiding her and keeping her calm 👍
that was a close one 😮
No it wasn't
That poor young lady kinda vapor locked. Excellent work by the gentleman helping her. Very calming, and reassuring while letting her know what to do. You can’t ask for more than that. Glad she kept going and enjoyed her trip with a couple of cool stories to tell. BBP is beautiful and not technical, but if you don’t pay attention 100% of the time you can get yourself into trouble very quickly, especially if the weather changes on you. Great teamwork
Up to the steps, other than some sideangle, all was almostcdirt highway.
The steps reminded me of some bigger steps we had on a trip in NSWcAustralia, I had gear in the rear tray of my vehicle start tumbling out and a lady behind me got me to drive her vehicle down that step. Atcanother a short wheelbase Landrovercstood on its front bumper, front wheels in the air rear scrabbling on the top of the sandstone Ridge. Had to be winched forwards sliding the bumper till front wheels got traction at which point yhe rear was able to crash down the rock ledge. Worst was the next day we had to reverse direction the track had slipped down the mountainside we spent a day and a half winching back up the 30 to 40 steep sections and rock ledges to get out again.
I must, must, must go here someday. The San Juan's are on my bucket list. I have a RZR Turbo S 4 and I'd love to take it up that trail.
Good job!
I was fine up till that situation but after viewing that jeep lift up and almost losing it I took a breather too! Calm concise instructions saved the day! My 2004 Jeep Unlimited has only a 3.5 " Rubicon Express suspension lift w/fox shocks 33'x12.5 tires on 15x8 wheels not sure it would fair ok on that trail.
That is cake for your Jeep. I didn’t see a whole lot of difficulty either. Just scary because of the long drops. But really there isn’t much difference from rolling for a mile down or thirty feet down. They both will kill you.
When I saw the thumbnail I expected this to be the same red jeep that went over an edge there that I recently saw in my recommended. Apparently the person in the other video got ejected and is now paralyzed, but honestly they were fortunate they didnt finish the ride down because that jeep was scrambled. Glad you guys walked/rode away
Well, I’m glad I’m not the same one that made that mistake !! So nearly this entire video I was on edge Cause I was expecting her to go off the edge because of how UA-cam set us up on it but thankfully it wasn’t what they were leading us to believe!!
I think it’s pretty crappy of them leading us to believe that but we all know they are a pretty crappy group themselves.
Good job navigating the trail guys!!
Diddo!
That is no place for the woman driving the orange jeep. She is an accident waiting to happen. Panic is the last thing to do , you need to stay calm in tough situations.
Great job!! The only time I have felt uncomfortable there or on the steps was in my 4Runner, the Jeep has always been a champ there.
She handled that great
Nicely handled. That step I’ve always felt was scarier than the actual “steps”… good job keeping calm and having her roll through it.
Funniest comment I’ve heard in a long time “did you get gap insurance”. Can’t stop laughing.
That was a great video. I've never had the nerve to do more than Silverton to Animas Forks... and Kendall Mt. That's some legit' narrow sh*t, even for a side x side. Thanks for sharing.
I knew from the thumbnail that the line for that specific part of the trail was completely wrong. Gotta hug high right and cut down left off the shelf. Glad she didn't tip. I have a friend who took the same line as her and planted his vehicle on the driver's side.
I realized that in the last second!! would have had the same thing if I hadn’t stopped to ask for help! It was a great learning experience though (of what not to do)😂
@@catlyn1566 Anything you learn from is worth it and stopping to ask from help was a good call!
good job!
Forward momentum is everything on the down hill off a step, good job on the save!
I’m actually doing this trail next year when I go to Colorado! Can’t wait to do it in my Tacoma
So many drivers on trails these days that shouldn't be.
Excellent team leader!
About the hundredth video done on this trail. On our fourth trip we did it in the pouring rain, which kind of sucks! Here in Colorado there's a saying about that trail, if it's dry you won't die, if it's wet you better fret!
Great job coaching her down.. shit can get scary fast!!
Looks like fun
Many drivers just don't look at the possibility of using a different line. That spot is wide and has an 'easy way down' that is much safer for vehicles without long wheel travel. Pay attention to the road. It's not imperative to use the steepest step or try to go around the rocks.
Ive done BBP about three or four times over the course of 6 years, done it in jks, tjs, four doors two doors, I've never seen a more worst line to take on the descent of BBP, you need to be an experience driver, and have a decently good rig, the two doors can be a little tricky on obstacles like this, but in Telluride or Ouray two doors excel. It also probably helps when your jeep isn't lifted to the moon, your center of gravity is so much higher with a bigger lift. Thank god someone is experienced in this group or it would've been bad.
And folks that just shows you how much line awareness plays a part and also wheel base Also in doubt throttle out of her wheels were straight would of have been a different story never turn off a ledge walkways want to do your best to come down with your wheels straight
4lo down hills is your best friend
Great video 👍
Thanks 👍
What a butcher used to say: Only after a few years is when the knifes get sharpest. (When you get so much experience and succes that you start to relax just a tiny bit too much)
I want to do bbp . Are there any wheel base restrictions? I have been on the Alpine Loop an had no issues in a full size heavy duty 4x4 Ram. I have driven many back roads and done some fairly tight switch backs before. Point is I'm not a inexperienced green horn but I am concerned .
REAL off-roaders PEDAL up shit like this!
I've ridden off-road motorcycle and done a LITTLE four wheeling. Talk about easy! Compared to mountain biking up this stuff, having a motor makes it a piece of cake! Ha, ha!
Just kidding! Thanks for sharing your experience. The wife and I attempted some of Black Bear pass by bike in 1997, but bailed after our legs said "Enough!" Would have been a blast by Jeep.
The wife and I rented Jeeps in Moab way back when. Manual trannies, too! I was so impressed with my wife's driving. She's always been an excellent driver. As someone with a commercial multi-passenger endorsement who took people up skiing and put chains on the vans, she's pretty experienced behind the wheel. But no one expects it from this petit, cute, beautiful chick! Anyway, we get going and she simply ROCKS the entire thing! This was our first real off roading experience and we had a blast.
If you want to learn how to off road in a Jeep, pick up mountain biking first! It will teach you a lot of what you need to know about traction, weighting, braking, positioning and picking lines. (Well, maybe riding Moab rigid first will give you those kills in spades!!!)
I've always argued that better drivers are formed from experienced cyclists. If every kid had to ride his and her bike to school, we'd get WAY drivers. Glad that today's middle and high schools are offering mountain bike riding and racing.
How many drivers know that their front wheels do most of the stopping? And ALL of the stopping during hard emergency braking? How many know much about traction and how to maximize it? Nothing teaches traction faster than being balanced on two wheels in loose, steep terrain. Or cornering technique? How to apex? Riding a bicycle teaches ALL of this stuff. Riding in a peloton teaches you about being predictable and learning how NOT to yo-yo! Man, I HATE the over-braking and delayed acceleration that leads to yo-yo on the freeway! Stop-and-go freeway driving would be eliminated if every driver had raced bikes, I guarantee it!
And this explains why when I got in a go kart for my very first time, I beat the 10 other guys in our group, several of whom had driven karts before. Racing at 40mph in a pack of 50 cyclists, vying for position and flying around city turns on 1" tires at 110psi makes offroading in a Jeep a walk in the park! I was psyched when the final two came down to me and another guy who'd spent time in karts. And just that much more psyched to win it! Again, hard braking, aggressive accelerating and cornering and sliding on four wheels is just so much more tolerable compared to surviving a two-wheel slide on a bike!
Ride bikes. Good for your legs and butt muscles! Good for your lungs. Good for your health. And good for developing driving skills! I'm always thrilled to see pro auto racers cross training on the bike! Makes sense to me.
Was the white jeep in this group stock on 32's or 35's just curious as it seems the most out of the box Jeep.
Lord when she hit the brakes going down that rock! 0/10
While off roading you need to
Turn AC off
No music
No unnecessary talk
Listen to car wheels engine road suspension
Keep windows down
Don’t panic
Don’t laugh
Stay focused
Don’t look at your phone
See where you are going
Plan 50 meters ahead at least
Wow what a ride! Not sure that I'd ever want to go down Black Bear...but, if I did I'd want to do it with y'all! Glad it all worked out okay. I was holding my breath when the jeep tipped. ☺❤🙏⭐🇺🇸
Too many people don't know when to get off the brakes. Lucky save, but she needs more time on more moderate trails before taking on technical trails.
It seems as though you had a pretty memorable moment right at the same spot. Congratulations to yourself or whomever it was who proposed.
@@pepperandmintoffroad Thank you! Black Bear is an amazing place and was her first time experiencing it. Wanted to do something memorable and Colorado, more specifically the Ouray/Telluride area has always had a piece of my heart since my first time visiting as a kid.
Panic can cause you to crash really quick, if she had no panic she would have gone through with not even the slightest hesitation
I did Black bear a month ago in my 2014 Wrangler unlimited. On that off camber drop wear the Jeep lifts it's tire you have to square up to that drop as much as possible.You can also fill in that low area with rocks that are already placed in that location. It's still intimidating but I could do it over and over and make it look easy every time. I never lifted a tire and I did this trail twice in two months.
Awesome! Glad you came out this way!! The gladiator took your line early on. That's the way to do it! Hope we can see you out on the trail soon!
You’re a very experienced guy, nice job guiding that poor girl, you well knew that she wasn’t well possessed. You gave her confidence.
16:31. I count 6 trail badges. She might have been having a bad day.
@@Gmag9853 definitely a moment of error- now 11 accomplished badge of honors though!
@@Gmag9853maybe it isn't her rig
THAT is how spotting is done! Extremely good job calming her down and getting her stable.
While you mentioned it wasn't smart where you put yourself I would disagree and say that is EXACTLY where you needed to be. I have been in that very spot a time or three to get the driver calm and keep a Jeep from tipping.
Thank you for the kind words!
That's HORRIBLE spotting
Great job calming her down but she should have never been instructed to take that line in the first place. That was a horrible decision!
One could argue either way. But the more prudent choice picks safety and avoiding injury first and foremost. Sure, he could stop the vehicle's roll positioning himself there. But what if he couldn't have? He was in the direct roll path of the Jeep. Not smart. A good way to get yourself killed. He was lucky.
A properly-outfitted Jeep will have a roll cage. And belted passengers would have been unscathed if it had rolled. But not the guy on the outside!
This clip could be used by safety instructors as an example of what NOT to do in this scenario.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures Neither the spotter or the novice behind the wheel should have been on Black bear. The way she was freaking out shows she's never been driving that kind of 4 wheelin before.
Cool video , is that an old logging road or how did this road even get built , I’m guessing a brave dozer operator
all i see is a jeep with no spare tire. Makes me wonder if they perpaired for this trip.
Just because you don't see something in the normal place you would expect it, doesn't mean it's not there. I assure you, I over prepared for the trip.
@@pepperandmintoffroad good to know. Glad you and your loved ones made it down without a major issue.
views amazing and scary track looks easy enough, would love to do this run
😱 OML right as she lifted the back end I panicked like I was in the jeep
This is why I'm not into adventures like this not my thing for excitement.
You couldn't Pay ME to do this ! I'd rather sit back &
watch them do it, cause I don't like heights & steep
narrow rocky roads.
I love wheelin but thats nuckin futz. Way too much risk. Great video!
Is this trail one way? I sure would hate to be in a situation where two vehicles going opposite directions meet on a steep narrow trail.
I would prefer to ride this trail on a motorcycle. It would be annoying to be following behind a group of Jeep's going 5 MPH where a motorcycle couple travel several times faster with ease.
The scenery of this area is spectacular! Thanks for sharing the video.
Nice job on the video.
I ran this solo the first time. And while it wasn’t quite as exciting as this video, my hands were a little shaky after my 7 yr old spotter got back in the truck.😂
That’s an example of picking a poor line. 2 door wheelbase does not do well on steep climbs or descents. With that being said, often times the best thing to do in that situation is to throttle out.
Totally!
You're a good spotter. She did do most things correctly. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, But I think what she didn't do correctly is that she didn't load up the driveline in reverse before letting off the brake. IMO, she was using only 1 foot for throttle and brake when she should have been using both in this situation. I'm glad it all turned out good and nothing bad happened.
Short wheel base has a huge play there. Ask the Guy in 2018 in thre FJ Cruiser! I was a few cars behind.
Those 2 doors are vertically challenged. I have one and find myself in that exact situation every now and then, lol. The 4 doors handle them easier.
Short wheelbase has some downsides.
Good video
Well at least you got "old glory" taking the lead! 😂
Hey there
What camera and mount is the JL (think you called it Mint) running for such smooth videography?
That is a GoPro 8 on a BulletPoint mount. The stabilization is all Gopro, no gimbal or video assist.