Deltarune [Chapter 2] - Spamton NEO Fight Pacifist (Optional Boss)
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2021
- The optional boss fight in Deltarune Chapter 2.
First time fighting the boss so I apologize if it's sloppy.
If you're curious about how to fight Spamton NEO I'll list the steps below
or you can watch a Step-by-Step video guide on how to get to him.
• Deltarune [Chapter 2] ...
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#undertale #DeltaruneChapter2 - Ігри
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This is definitely Toby's response to people asking for a full Mettaton NEO boss fight
Ah yes...
course it is. THATS THE METTATON NEO BODY this is the greatest thing ever
Controversial but spamton > mettaton
@@tophatcat9996 True
@@tophatcat9996 i disagree but i respect it
spamton’s dialogue is always so funny but when you really take the time to read it, it really seems like he knows that kris is under the control of the player. and based on kris’ reaction after the fight, it really affected their mental state
maybe kris is terrified of the idea that when they break their strings, or break away from the control of the player, they’ll die just like spamton
Ooh that’s actually a cool theory! That could have been why at the end of chapter 2 kris went back to put their soul back in themself
I like that theory
Yeah, it makes sense. Kris looks like they’re clearly in pain/having trouble walking without the SOUL in them, just limping everywhere. No wonder they keep putting the SOUL back in and letting themselves be subject to their strings again. They need to.
The "do you wanna be a heart on a chain your whole life" is pretty clear 🤔
I'm going to make a wild theory that the "chapter select" will actually play a real part in the game. When you begin the game, you literally save over an already existing "Kris" save. There's also the vessel that will probably make a re-appearance when Kris, or something, inevitably rejects the players control completely. That a certain ending will only occur if you start a fresh save file on Chapter 7, starting directly in your vessel and never taking control of Kris. But that's a bit tin foil hat, just something I'd love to see.
“You don’t need friends, I can turn my hands into phones!” No, no. He’s got a point.
the man who speaks in hands
@@idkbrah473 the man who speaks in phones
I'VE GOT KNIVES!
... I'm out of knives...
@@idkbrah473 me?
@@_err0r_error_ The man whose hands speak in phones.
I just noticed that there's still a city background throughout the entire battle and since they're in the basement of the castle, aren't they technically surfing the dark web?
This is a underrated idea and I love it.
That...actually makes a lot of sense.
Thats neat
Why do some of the buildings look like spamton?
@@Kingofdragons117 I think its a metaphor that there are a bunch of people like Spamton, trying to sell you something. Or it might literally be there are other Spamton robots in Spamton shaped buildings doing exactly what our Spamton did before he received that phone call.
That moment when a joke character becomes theory fuel
Says about jevil
Toby fox wrote this game,
Mat pat join chat
C'mon, Sans was first!
@@marianokaz1503 We all know where that went... Sans is Ness
I swear to God, Spamton falling to the ground dead as the background cuts to black sent chills down my spine. It just hit home the realization of "Oh... he never had a chance from the start..."
Imagine being Kris in this situation, seeing what happens to a puppet when all it’s string is cut off. Kris will never be free from us
@@thestranger4894 I'm pretty sure kris screamed at the end of thee fight
@@tinemupfacha6051 Ralsei was also really suspicious, he was like "Oh Kris you’re yelling 😊" like wth Ralsei that’s not the expression used for when one of your friends is disturbed by something that badly
@@CaptainCoolzCT- Ralsei was insisting REALLY HARD telling Kris to not think to much about what happened and that it was meaningless, and he wasn't shaken at all while Susie and Kris where very unnerved
@@CaptainCoolzCT- in context, Queen was about to end the world so they really could do without dealing with Kris's PTSD
So we're all in agreement that deltarune is just actually an existential horror game, right?
it scared tf out of me at the end of each chapter 💀i sat there staring in tears LMFOAO i’m enjoying that it’s taken a darker turn than undertale so far though
no?
@@grandmasteryoda6717 Well then you should probably sit and contemplate living your live under the control of some sort of extra-dimensional being who is probably only doing it to let off steam after a stressful workday and doesn't care about your safety.
@@ElectricBarrier deltarune is a funny rpg. that's all
@@grandmasteryoda6717 Yeah, sure bro. Just like undertale! Nothing deeper or meta-contextual about that game! Just a funny rpg!
*Spamton turns to the audience
*Spamton appeals to the audience
*Spamton begs to the audience
*Spamton prays to the audience
*There is no audience
This sent a chill down my spine, and a feeling of despair and solitude
*Spamton begs the audience to stop taking the furniture out of his room.
My man just went through a ptsd flashback..
Then he asks the nonexistent audience not to take his furniture.
You know these superbosses have a theme of false freedom, really spooky
That's a big theme of this story it seems, with Kris (that we don't control) clrealy being a different person to how we play them, seen in most explicitly when he pulls out the soul, our means of control, with all the players on this stage being pulled along by a unseen hand
It's the same when you name your character in Chapter 1. Control seems to be the big theme of this game
In the end your choices don't matter.
@@pixeljacked8047 Kris is a they
@@zorubark Kris is a player character with a unisex name, same as frisk.
People are allowed to spin the character the way they want, especially in a game where you can make choices that impact the story and/or other characters in the story.
The only reason Kris is referred to as they in game is for player convenience. What the player ends up actually calling Kris is up to them.
Same as when people were making their own undertale AUs.
You may call Kris a they/them, someone else might refer to Kris as a he/him or she/her and that's fine.
just realized something about the way he's animated here.
every other character in the game (including Spamton's original form) has these fluid pixel animations (beautifully done btw. extremely impressed with all the art in this chapter) but NEO is the only character with puppet animation. i love how unnatural and jarring it makes his movements look, it's really fitting
Hes animated the undertale boss battle way
He also has a weird filter applied to him to make him look kinda distorted
@@leedlelel2373 The weird filter is just the way pixel art react when change orientation in this type of animation, can can see it in some battle in undertale
Doesn't Jevil technically also have that animation, specifically when you hit him and his head goes boinging all over the place?
@@grim66 it doesnt have rotation i think, so theres no artifacting like there is here
Yea, they're sprites that rotate individually
It’s honestly TERRIFYING how he’s all excited about being freed from his puppet strings, but when Kris cuts the final one, he just… slumps to the ground, dead. Gives me chills.
those were wires giving power to the suit.
@@imnotpepperoniSpamton and Kris are the suits, then
Is that really terrifying or are you just being dramatic
@@the1337fleetNo bro it's really terrifying, I couldn't sleep for an entire month 😭😭
He didn't die, he just can't move now.
The end is a little sad. After realizing it is truly impossible for him to be free, he gets his sanity back right before the end.
It.. terrified me, I long to be free too
Except when you fill up your inventory
he's not dead in item form! he's still alive. : ) he tells you off if you fill your inventory and sulks in a chest somewhere.
@@1Hol1Tiger Looking at your pfp, idk if you deserve to be free
I mean, he’s with us now.
It's pretty neat that his theme is an amalgamation of "Power of NEO" and "The World Revolving".
With bits of Mad Dummy in there as well, I would note. Really fits with the puppet aesthetic, and a couple of his lines.
@@ianritchie-smith475 it's not really mad dummy as much as it is his own theme (spamton fight), which just uses similar instruments with a different melody
Power of Neo 69%
@@hthagomizer8729 I think the point was that the song "Dummy!" is literally sampled in this theme all over. It's very clear for example at 6:41
@@GiantDad553 i forgot about that part lol sorry
Jevil and Spamton seem to both be linked with wanting or obtaining freedom, with Spamton wanting to be freed from his strings and no longer be a puppet, and Jevil apparently being the only one who has escaped, or been freed from some sort of fate.
Edit 1: And both their secret battles have this same line in the speech box: “The air crackles with freedom.”
Not only that, the fight seems to have effected Kris in a way that we don’t really understand. Perhaps he realizes his actions aren’t truly his own, and is angry.
If we follow this order, than maybe the soullest version of Kris is going to be the secret final boss of the game, wanting to be freed from this soul that keeps restraining it
@@InumiDarkness Incase you didn't understand anything about the ending,the one who caused the dark fountains to exist in the first place IS Kris.
@@yomeru8628 after finishing chapter 2 this made me worried for chapter 3
@@dragirby Spamton has line about begging the audience to stop taking his furniture, which brought to mind repo men taking the possessions of someone who has fallen on hard times. That line hit me harder than I expected.
His speech at the end freaked me out, especially when the gang discusses it afterwards ("Kris, you're screaming" will haunt me for days). I imagine that this running thread of "seeking freedom" (in a cosmic sense) will carry across the rest of the bosses, and be related to some kind of secret ending. Spamton says he wonders if the gang will be able to "break their own strings" implying that they'll be freed of the game's rules? Deltarune's had the removal of choice be a common theme, so maybe they'll "escape the game", no longer letting the game (or you) make their decisions for them?
Well when he first drops down before the fight he's staring directly at the player before turning to Kris
The last chapter's secret fight will end with a small live action cutscene of three people dressed as the gang walking around the real world, possibly with Susie asking Kris where the hell they are
@@KronosOGAccount it's easy to pull up an androgynous look irl, just get the right person to impersonate them!
Honestly I don't believe the removal of choice is even a real feature, seems like it's been forgotten because it seems like a lot of your choices matter in this.
@@rockycuro7737 it's been implied that only YOUR choices matter, but not that of the 3 main characters
Noelle may be an exception since she's not part of the 3 heroes, so you could manipulate her to do your deeds
I just realized while spamton is hanging on the vines after the fight, he doesn’t do his whole [HYPERLINK BLOCKED] thing, he just talks normally. Honestly it’s probably creepier that way.
Because you finally freed him
The way he talks is because whoever said the garbage noise in the phone call he was in shattered his insanity, likely telling him that where he lives in is just a game like how that someone corrupted Jevil into the way he is now.
toby's definitely slowly getting better and better at boss design. like holy shit the difference in quality between some of UT's bosses and deltarune chapter 2's is insane
Queen's punch-out style fight made my jaw drop
@@meyes5671 imagine if he put the difficulty at the same height as mike tyson
@@meyes5671 yeah that definitely surprised me as well. im seriously hoping they introduce more variety and twists to that combat style in upcoming chapters (if it’s used) because it actually meshes a lot better than I thought it would with DR
I think it helps that he has a team backing him up now. I was genuinely expecting the Punch-Out! thing to be a one-off, but no, they programmed a whole-ass unique fight around it.
@@meyes5671 SAME BRUH WHEN THE POWER RANGERS SNES SFX KICKED IN
You know what fucked me up after the fact when seeing this is that at the beginning, when you're in the traffic jam and Undyne is bench pressing a car, if you wait there for long enough, some of the car horns play the Mettaton intro.
Toby Fox, you cheeky man. You foreshadowed this before the Cyber World was even shown in game.
you could also hear spear of justice, your best friend, and dogsong (i think?)
I actually discovered this by pure accident cuz I waited on that screen while I went to do something on a mobile game, and then I heard that on the pc.
@@zenloks_1735 ok so you *can* hear more than one. that was the only one i managed to get to play clearly lmao
It plays muffets theme and a bunch of other songs too, still very cool
In the same scene there is a car with a man that waves at you happily, he is not there if you interact again.
I just realized that when spamton begs the "audience" to stop taking the furniture out of his room is referencing when he got evicted from the queens mansion.
So fun fact. There's an alternate run of Chapter 2 you can do where Spamton NEO is the final boss of the chapter. In the fight if he reaches 10% hp or lower he will alter his stats so that his defence sky rockets, but attack plummets. Making it impossible to deal any more than 10 damage to him with every attack. He goes on to mention how it's a feature of becoming NEO...
Meanwhile a certain other character who can turn your soul yellow didn't have such luck with his own NEO form
Actually, he did. If you think about it, MTT NEO raised his ATTACK to exponential heights but with the trade of garbage DEFENCE. He knew he wouldn't survive an attack from the player, so he decided to use one all or nothing attack.
Spamton NEO just does the opposite.
You can say his defense went *to the moon*
@@T_Dude i mean if he was trying to use an all or nothing attack WHY THE FUCK DOES HE NOT ATTACK YOU EVEN IF YOU WASTE YOUR TURN-
I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
Didn't you know [Neo] is known for it's high defense?!
Dialogue from the NPCs that show up outside Spamton's shop after defeating him (SPOILERS):
* He was... like the rest of us.
* Just... a little unlucky.
* For some reason, his products never seemed to hit...
* ...and the Lightners never even looked his way.
* ...Poor guy.
* Night after night, when we all went to the same cyber grill,
* He'd shoot his mouth about making it big someday.
* "You just watch!"
* "Someday,"
* "I'm gonna be a big shot!"
* He started to get a little desperate.
* I heard he started looking for any way to become more popular.
* Somehow, he made the right phone call, and found someone.
* Or, was he... found BY someone?
* They must have been helping him, because suddenly,
* He was on the phone all the time...
* Suddenly, he got really good as his job.
* The clicks started piling up...
* What? What did he do?
* Why did HE deserve this?
* We were all so jealous of him,
* We stopped going out with him.
* I mean, wasn't he a big shot?
* He didn't need us anymore, did he...?
* Even so, he only got more and more successful.
* He moved into a luxurious room in the Queen's mansion...
* He started bragging about big TV deals, big cars, big commercials...
* But then things started to crack.
* It seems like whatever was helping him...
* Disappeared.
* His sales dropped to zero...
* And everything came crashing down.
* The day he was to be evicted from the Queen's mansion,
* I went to his room to check on him...
* But he wasn't there.
* There was only a phone hanging off the handle.
* He must've left in the middle of a conversation,
* Because I could still hear someone on the other end...
* ...
* But when I put the receiver to my ear...
* There was nothing but garbage noise.
EDIT: Since this comment seems to be getting extremely popular (Likely due to the video I posted it on) I'd like to just inform people reading this that Deltarune Chapter 2 has a proper genocide route we're calling the "Snowgrave" route that heavily involved Spamton NEO, and you can watch it on this video: ua-cam.com/video/NFgZoEsLEaI/v-deo.html
video for those who need it: ua-cam.com/video/CnrL0YL4JGk/v-deo.html
Seeing as “nothing but garbage noise” is the text for when you try to use the phone in the dark world, and the sound is mus_smile, it seems like the person responsible may be gaster
@@potatodude3947 seems like it for sure, this also gives another link to Gaster and Jevil via the themes of freedom in both battles.
this character seems very, VERY interesting. what do you guys think?
literally god bless your soul may you have all the luck in the world i hope you find heaven or whatever else and riches beyond your imagination god thank you I MEAN IT THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
For those who have wanted an extended, more composed version of the 8 second loop of the great NEO theme from Undertale, while also getting a badass medley of some of the best tracks from that game and, arguably, one of Toby's best compositions to date, we've been truly blessed today.
Spamton's last wire getting cut broke me like Asgore breaking mercy
The spamton scene reminded me of fnaf when golden freddy eats the kids head. Idk how i dont see more people mentioning that. Both insanely unnerving
@@sadiaaa1373 Theres a big difference, FNAF is a horror game, this isn't. The mindset you are in while playing a game really effects how scary things can be.
THEORY TIME:
Spamton's NEO body just lying there in the darkness after he cuts the final string is equivalent to never touching the game after true pacifist ending. Free, but in eternal stasis.
Just like dying IRL, lol
Until chapter 3, that is.
Don't agree, toby released some clock app dialogue heavily implying that the monsters are happily living on the surface after the true pacifist ending
@@GoogleAccount-ox6em He realeased it? wow
Edit: i found the text, Sans canonically made the default dance, why Toby? why?!
@@rompevuevitos222 Why not?
Sure, this fight is so heavily Mettaton-loaded lore, but... part of his theme is also part of the Mad Dummy's battle theme. ...am I reading too hard into this, this particular tidbit.
I mean, they ARE cousins and close enough that they are living together.
There's the fact that this dude's a puppet, which is pretty similar in principle to a dummy, along with the Mad Dummy's relation to Metatton in Undertale of course.
no all the music in undertale/deltarune explain the lore of characters hear every theme and find similarities
I'm just really amazed that of all the characters to cram into this secret boss, part of the honor went to Mad Dummy. ...that asides though, all the music is definitely lit this chapter, Toby's musical prowess makes me want to scream--
Is Napstablook in Deltarune?
I've only dabbled in both games, so my question/theory is: If the ghosts aren't in this game and given the graveyard being so prominent at the beginning, maybe there's some life/death/ghost shenanigans afoot?
So the thing is, Spamton wanted to be FREE, and the only way he think he could do that is to get Kris' soul, not knowing that Kris too is a puppet just like him. When Kris cut the last of his wires puppeteering him, Spamton lay dead, having lost all control of his life. This is similar to when Kris threw the heart away, but didn't destroy the heart, because he knows what will happen when he cuts the string that's controlling his life.
You know if you beat him and go back to trashy location thier more dialog there
@@MyyyDude I recorded it here: ua-cam.com/video/CnrL0YL4JGk/v-deo.html
@fakejordancheems isn’t she a she? I guess it doesn’t matter
@@donnovandalusong266 His name is Kris dang it
@@donnovandalusong266 It's a they, it's never said what Kris is, everyone just calls Kris a they in game, maybe so people can headcanon it?
3:14 I'm amazed noone caught the "pipis" joke yet.
Pipis is shaped like a blue pill. blue pipis pill. generated by a spambot.
Toby literally put viagra in deltarune, the absolute madman
Lmao
They were originally going to be yellow, and the "check" description in snowgrave for them says that theyre an invasive species of clams...
And spamton says "im a real pipis person" and theres tons of spamton faces inside them so maybe its just a way of saying "people"? Idk
Could also be a mispelling of pepsi like toby likes to do
Toby has an inside joke with himself where he refers to bugs as bepis, people discovered that by digging in the code
@@leedlelel2373 The reason for the clam part is because there's a type of invasive clam that's called a pipi in Australia so the plural form is "pipis".
Interesting note, so does anyone notice how Spamton’s head shifts in three different positions in the battle? He either looks at Kris and their party, looks up at his strings that puppet him, or looks in a way where he breaks the fourth wall; therefore, implying that he is looking at the player...
Spamton also starts this movement beginning with Kris -> Strings -> Player. Perhaps this is over analysis, but is this triangular motion possibly related to the player “puppeting” Kris? Either way, Toby put massive detail into this character and I love it.
Am I the only one super concerned about how Spamton really wanted Kris's soul, even though that was only a theme in Undertale that never appeared in Deltarune until now?
Really excited for the next upcoming chapters to see how/if the secret bosses will all tie back to Undertale in a way
I think spamton wants kris' soul for freedom
Spamton has strings in him, meaning hes being controlled, if he got kris' soul he could do everything he wants without someome controlling him
It’s become more apparent that undertale’s themes are bleeding into deltarune, like the soul changing to yellow and the Snowgrave ending
maybe Spamton wants to escape from the dark world, and to be a part of the real world outside of it, and in order to be real, he needs a soul, so he can detach his strings.
All the undertale concepts are still relevant, the game just makes a big point to avoid naming them usually. Like determination and saving. Undertale beat into your skull what those meant, deltarune doesn't need to.
What I find alarming is Ralsei. They quite obviously know a *LOT* more than they're letting on.
(though it might all be in the 'manual' if we could ever convince kris to read it)
@@tsm688 would be funny if that was the case. Just like throwing out the manual in chapter one would be brought up like “You know Kris, I wouldn’t have to explain all this to you if you JUST KEPT THE MANUAL!”
I like how in that first attack (the tutorial 1:38) he way underestimates how many hits it'd take to kill Kris, and waaay over estimates how many for Susie
He really wants her dead specifically
Honestly I think that shows how smart spamtom really is, clearly being able to identify whos the strongest and weakest
Well not only Susie is big af, she has the most HP in the game. So, maybe it makes sense.
rainworIdeer (pronounced Iike musketeer) spotted in the wiId
@@pezvonpez I get around
Ignoring Ralsei, just like in the game
For anyone having any significant trouble with this fight, pressing F1 at any point during it will heal your whole party for around 70 HP! Being able to do this is even hinted in the first fight, with one of the things Spamton is able to say being "Press F1 for help."
Is that a 1 time thing, or no?
@@CaptainCFalcon In the first battle it's only once per fight, not sure about NEO
Press R3 for console
Click down right stick on switch. I’d also like to know if it’s 1 time or nah
@@Danblak08 im pretty sure its 1 time yes
Holy sh-, the way you get so relieved after getting done with his battle, and even being happy for him as he gets to roam without being controlled, and he just- BREAKS. Oh my god.
This fight, if you really think about it, has been your only chance at using a Big Shot thus far.
Therefore, _now's_ your chance to use a Big Shot.
I don't know how I found you in the comments, but I did.
@@EuclidEndless5 hi
not to be that guy _but..._
In the context of the sentence of the comment, it's *your,* not *you're.*
@@bookswithbek2702 i haven't made a your/you're mistake in 4 years
which i would say is sarcastic but the fact i can actually believe myself on that one is kind of an indicator that you caught a rare moment here
@@alexrva433 wow.
For context, like Chapter 1, I played this completely blind. So while I was going through the game, I was trying to figure out to see if this game would pull any tricks similar to Jevil (who I found out about after beating the chapter). I was constantly walking everywhere, trying to see if there was anything I could do that could suggest a bonus area. Once I found the mansion basement, I genuinely got creeped out, as I had genuinely no idea what the game could pull out of its sleeves. After disabling the forcefield, dying multiple times on the climb back up (as that was the first time I saw the gimmick, not having gone to the second floor yet), and getting the empty disk, I went back to Spamton…
And the game crashed. Thankfully, I saved beforehand, but it didn’t do much to ease my nerves. Second time, Spamton went in the disk as normal. Went down and put him in the robot suit, and exited not knowing what was going to happen.
So yeah. Didn’t expect this random character you met and spoke in garbled text for like a couple minutes to be THE bonus boss of the chapter. And when I fought him? I was equal parts disturbed (his phone, face, and heart attacks were weird), laughing (some of the dialogue from Spam himself was funny), and most of all just confused (his special attack just left me muttering “What?” multiple times).
I barely beat him by the skin of my teeth (and this was my first time fighting him, too!) While Jevil was a trip, I think all I did to get to this guy and the battle itself is definitely something that’s not leaving my mind soon.
*I GUE SS WE CA N SAY THAT YOU WERE IMP RESSED BY HIS [Neo] POWER, lol
Damn my guy
if a character has their own voice grunt, they're important
Oh gosh, I just realized: both Jevil and Spamton seem to be different depictions of the devil.
Jevil: A fool who thinks he's free to do whatever he pleases.
Spamton: A dealmaker who truly isn't in control.
But that's just my observation.
I disagree, Spamton clearly invokes a motif of angels instead. Talking about heaven, his little healing cherub familiar, the fucked up wings and desire to ascend.
Jevil's the Devil, but Spamton's the Angel
I swear, the only reason why people think he’s easier than Jevil, is because you have more health in this fight and more acces to different and better items. Two hits from this guy would kill you if you had less health.
His attacks are also easier to dodge in general. The only attack that is harder than Jevil's are the ones where he creeps up to you with phones.
Wouldn't that mean they're technically easier? Not by their own design but just from a game design standpoint.
I beat the snowgrave fight on second try and it took me 11 tries for jevil
It is way too easy.
* sobs in snowgrave *
@@honey-hunterslimefanno.3257 wtf h o w you got god skills. This shit took me 2 days to fail and 30 minutes for my brother to succeed when i gave up
I feel that each of the Secret Bosses are going to be foils to the major bosses in UT's Genocide Route, and in reverse order.
-Jevil and Sans are both jokesters, and so far the hardest bosses in their respective games. However, Jevil fights purely because he has no fucks to give and is literally bored; he fights within the laws of the game while flaunting about how he can break the game laws and do anything. Sans on the other hand fights for vengeance, and breaks literally every combat fundamental at once without restraint.
-Spamton and Mettaton are corporate 'big shots' in their games. Except Mettaton was basically born and programmed with his abilities and wealth (and stayed successful), while Spamton literally relied on the assistance of a shady mystery phone man (likely gaster) to actually achieve his own success. Also their NEO forms foil eachother, where MTT's form is a literal joke boss but Spamton's makes him God-level. And he flaunts Hands instead of Legs.
EDIT: You can also draw a similar connection between the Neutral Route bosses and the Monarchs; Both Asgore and King Spade are... well, kings, but Spade is ruthless and cunning, going as far as exploiting his son's bounciness to provoke the party, where Asgore is a kind yet powerful leader who wants to bring his son back. Both Queen and Mettaton are Robotic characters with comical attitudes, except MTT is a flamboyant performer who rides off of his audience's emotions while Queen is a comedic blunt-speaking computer who doesn't fully understand emotions and relies on logic and control over her peons to succeed.
So, the next secret boss after this might be a foil to Muffet, the chapter 4 Secret boss being a foil to Undyne, Then Papyrus, then Toriel, and the final chapter's secret boss may relate to Chara or Flowey. (And again, similar trend with the monarch bosses.)
What if we have to fight Kris, i mean we as US the player, the soul.
For chapter 3, im guessing its either gonna be Toriel or Undyne, as you can see, Toriel called the police station to check with her slashed tires, and seeing that Kris opened up a fountain, it seems likely
@@perhapsYoYo if that's true, I hope they use the unusued version of spear of justice as a leitmotif
@@dnamewtation oh boy am i gonna love this idea
@@indie_gamer7 Oh I'd love that. Maybe whatever has been ripping Kris's soul out (I'm betting it's not Kris themselves) has ripped their soul out is is controlling the body while Kris controls the soul and has to try and defeat their own body, or whatever has taken control of it.
Damn, first boss in Deltarune to have a soul change mechanic! Hope to see the other soul gimmicks from Undertale in later chapters! And maybe get gimmicks for the cyan and orange souls too!
if so i cant wait for blue soul gimmick
Imagine your soul turns blue and Sans comes out of nowhere.
@@thealmightywholesome7193 you feel sans running up your spine
@@Cutliwiwi you tell him kindly to get off
@@Ulaanbasaar Sans apologizes, but doesn't get off
7:48 my favorite part of the entire fight
@TheAnimatedEverything but it's still funny lol
@@theanimatedeverything432it’s not that dark bro chill lol
Spamton's whole arc is literally 'maybe the REAL [hyperlink blocked] was the friends we made along the way!'
He's so happy in the pacifist route I kinda don't have the heart to take this creep down violently
@@whywontyouburn9608 I believe the genocide path of spamton takes double the time
@@UmbraMG in reward you get a weapon for ralsei
@@UmbraMG I found it easier beating him up
I beat him both ways my first attempt was pacifist it failed, when I knew it was over I rude bustered on the next to last turn to see how much damage that did.
Saw that it did a good chunk so I fought him violent next time and beat him. Saved in another slot. Then made another attempt at beating him pacifist and utterly destroyed him this time barely using any items. Compare to Jevil who I fought again earlier in the day because I had lost my original save file he was much easier. Jevil took an hour and a half. Spamton took maybe 45 minutes at most. (And Sans of course took 6 hours and multiple play sessions)
@@tilsspunbytails7790 yeah, but unlike the scythe you get from Jevil, the scarf from Spamton is practically worthless. Sure, his physical attack skyrockets with it, but even with just the Ragger2 Ralsei deals the same amount of damage as Kris while still having good enough magic to heal pretty well. And if that wasn't enough, Dealmaker can both be equipped to anyone, providing versatility to stat distribution, it also has a whole ass *_30% money increase._* That's a ridiculous amount & will make sure you almost certainly have money to spare during Chapter 3, _whenever that comes out._
First time I met him, immediately thought he's hidden boss material. Guess my intuition was right...
I skipped his fight as I refused to give him the empty disk XD
I think the fact that it had lyrics in the song for a random fight just made it seem obvious to me.
The m o m e n t he said something about meeting him later and coming alone immediately raised all suspicions of mine about him being the secret boss fight for chapter 2
@@Daniel328DT This rings true especially for people who knew about Jevil
One thing to note: here Spamton is motivated by freedom, but in the “Snowgrave” path when he takes over the castle he’s bragging about how being Neo makes him free. I think Smamtons clarity is correlated with the players power. As Kris fights with friends he’s more destructive and determined to break free, but when your the player alone he seems to believe he’s more free despite still being bound.
Have you ever realised that Spamton uses diamonds in his heart chain attack? He's the only resident of Cyber World (i think) that attacks using Card suits. You can even say he's attacking with both hearts and diamonds. Even Queen, who is the literal Queen of Spades, didn't attack using spades.
Not sure if this means anything or if that attack just happens to use bullets that look like the diamonds on cards
Have you also noticed that Jevil uses 'Chaos'-based attacks, has a revolving background, and can’t die? Hmm, which extremely powerful being from this series has those same characteristics?
Isn't Queen the queen of hearts? her eyes are heart shaped, not spade shaped.
@@sansprobus7209 If she was I'd doubt she'd be blue and black. She'd probably be red if she was the queen of hearts
@@paddythelegend1671 I doubt colors have anything to do with suits, Hathy is also in the heart suit, yet she's green.
@@sansprobus7209 same with how the Rudinns are green, while the ranger variants are red
Just to throw salt in Mettaton NEO's wound, this guy is actually a boss.
So in this fight, we have to make a deal *no strings attached…*
Toby you genius
Friendly reminder that this character is so far the only character to get any huge reaction out of Kris
Also, I kinda love how Susie says “are we really not just gonna talk about what happened”. I think that constantly in RPGS when they just did some crazy shit or something crazy happened, and they just keep going like it’s fine.
Yeah another example of this is in fantasy star 4 where when certain conditions are met the main character Chris can enter this cave where some kind of entity attempts to taunt him with an illusion of his mentor Alice who dies earlier in the game to the wizard Zeo.
Chris sees through the illusion and destroys it however the entity somewhat empresses he had the will power to resist and Chris angrily shouts at the entity for doing that.
The entity intrigued by his anger grants him a power to channel that anger into a very destructive magic based fire attack.
It then tells Chris be free to use that power to destroy those responsible for your suffering just don’t forget you owe me one.
This exchange is fairly freaky as Chris never makes another appearance in a fantasy star game and this entire exchange is completely optional and the game can be won without ever coming to this dungeon.
We don’t know why the entity taunted Chris using Alice against him or why he wants to seemingly make Chris angry and even gives him an attack fueled by his anger and that remark that he owes him one is even more disturbing.
But it’s the fact after Chris leaves this dungeon he doesn’t tell any of his companions what happened at any point.
Not miu, wren or rune who I’m pretty sure he definitely should’ve told rune being the magic expert.
That is extremely fascinating. I wonder if this fight is in any way a reference to that, because the overlap is intriguing.
7:50
Spamton: "What? It's for me?"
The phone: (JoJo rapid punch)
Pretty fitting that Jevil and Spamton are linked in some way and both (At least to my knowledge) are the only ones with actual talking in their battles that isn't confined to the text boxes
Tasque manager says letters if that counts? If I remember properly, she has additional dialogue in the dojo.
@@kdiin. maybe tasque manager will become crazy like jevil and spamton in a future chapter?
i feel like the leitmotif in the songs BIG SHOT and the world revolving also establish a link
A GAM THEROY: There are 7 secret bosses, with 7 Shadow Crystals given to each of them by Gaster throughout all the chapters.
In order to break the lock to access the bunker, you need a weapon crafted with all the 7 shadow crystals and break the lock in the Light World.
dude, if this is what toby intended, people will be skeptical of you and i congratulate you on that
I will become a prophet if I’m right
@@Luke-1337 if you're right, you'll be a prophet in like, ten years, even more. Beacause 7 secret boss fight means 7 chapters, and that's a lot of waiting.
@@dont_scrool_too_much_here I’ll still be a prophet
@@dont_scrool_too_much_here yea. Its gonna be 7 chapters. It appeared in the title screen of the game after you have finished 2nd chapter. But i think it will take 1 year for each chapter,as toby is working on them at the same time
Just imagine being Kris in this situation. Spamton is a puppet just like him, but as soon as his strings were cut he just drops dead. No wonder Kris was yelling, imagine not being able to be free without dying.
I mean
Kris prob knew that before spamton
Like why he puts his soul back after ripping it off then
When i first played through this I was thinking "Oh cool, he's gonna join me in the dark world!"
When the silence hit and his lifeless body were left, I was so disturbed
Yeah I thought too but he just meant to be an equipement, maybe like all the secret bosses. Truly sad.
Jevil is just sleeping and Spamton is depressing in our pocket, I wish they could be more active.
toby should just make a horror game honestly
He kinda did
@@hylianmono when
@@alexanderdahms4001 A long time ago
@@alexanderdahms4001 Before undertale was released
@@hylianmono oh
I love how Toby used the scrap meattaton neo fight, and turned it to spam neo
9:55 "With a power like that, Maybe you three can break your own strings"
I have a feeling Spamton is foreshadowing something in the last few chapters
9:27
This actually made me feel something in my first playthrough
He just fell, with his dead face, the music stopped, the background turned black and it stayed like that for more than ten seconds
Same. For some reason, I felt guilty.
Spamton NEO’s voice almost sounds like Sans’s, while his theme is a mashup of his own, Mettaton NEO, Mad Dummy, and the World Revolving. He also seems somewhat connected to Jevil.
Very, very interesting.
I stg I hear bits of Your Worst Nightmare in there too, especially at the start, but I might be looking too far into it.
I believe there is a line where Spamton references Jevil in passing, along with them both having been given a false freedom by a mysterious figure, presumably gaster, so I'd bet that every secret boss will have this theme
@@C0NArtist There's also some battle against a true hero in the background
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache I mean, tbf Power of Neo is just a remixed version of the start of Battle Against a True Hero, but that does technically make Battle Against a True Hero a reference in there too, similar to how Dummy's instruments are the same as Ghost Fight, meaning it'd technically be in there too.
Doesn’t sound like sans at all. neither in his regular form, or the Neo form.
IT’S CALLING, KRIS. . .
MY [Heart]. . .
MY [Hands]. . .
Jevil: THE KNIGHTS HAND IS FAST APPROACHING!
Hands. . . Hands. . . Hands. . .?
Beware the man who speaks in hands.
Hands... Jevil... Dark... KNIGHT... Spamton... Chara... Fall... Timelines... Multiuniverse... Deltarune... [Fountain] F0UN741N! FOOUN741N!!! ⚐ ❍♏♎♓♎□❒ ♎♏ ♐□⧫□■⬧ ♏⬧⧫á ■♏♑♋⧫♓❖□📪 ♏◆ ♍□■⬧♓♑□ ⬧♏■⧫♓❒ □ ❍◆■♎□ ♑♓❒♋❒✏ ✋⬧⬧□ ❖♋♓ ⬧♏❒📬📬📬 👎✋✞☜☼❄✋👎⚐✂
I can see him
Remember that Susie gets disturbed by the mentions of three things during Spamton NEO’S encounter:
Puppets, Strings... and Hands.
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Ralsei also started acting real sus when that happened too.
I have a feeling that the knight is gaster
I died like 6 times to the teacup ride on the way there but beat the boss in one try. I had an inventory full of good healing items though because it was obvious the implied secret boss would be hard. He sure drained my inventory a lot though. Might be the coolest fight Toby's made so far even though it's not as hard as Jevil if you have the gear from beating Jevil.
I find it weird that even though the concept of attacking you with his hearts so you can shoot them is based on Mettaton, the wires look like vines & the hearts are on chains like the heart locket. This boss is full of references like the similarities to Mad Dummy & Jevil.
The music in the mansion basement even sounds like Your Best Nightmare & the robot's posture when it's strapped to the wall with "wires" that look like vines is similar to the way Photoshop Flowey looks. The way it's designed with the item in it that you have to remove makes it look similar to the machines you had to use in the true lab.
He just isn’t hard even on snowgrave ( beat him 2nd try ) and it’s kinda sad.
Jevil: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary.
Sans: Ah shit, here we go again.
Mettaton: Brother?
This dude has more lore than Jevil
Wait what if spamton was the “Mysterious stranger” that Seam was talking about?
@@Moheadie_Edits
Spamton *does* vaguely mention Jevil…hold up, you might be onto something
Tbh I felt like this one was a bit easier compared to jevil. His attack patters don't feel as bs as jevil and there's also the fact that we're using the 💛 which is genuinely really fun to use, tbh I only died once and that was cause of the second time he does the eyes mouth and nose attack because that's really his only bs attack
So bit of an update, tried the snowgrave fight and WOW that is tough. Literally 4 hits and you're dead
Exactly same here
more than being easy, its the player power spike, you cant compare the limitation on recovery items and equipments in chapter 1 to all the options you can get to support your team here!
plus, we as a player at this point, already practiced a lot with the werewires and others new enemies that already were really challenging by themselves (in comparison to ch1 enemies)
thats because the secret secret version of spamton is only accessible by doing the secret ending which forces you to only use kris and hes also buffed
You’d think the Spam enemy would spam bullets but his fight is really fair
Spamton was really freaking hard for me, but only because I didn't have good healing items equipped, and Spamton's autosave screwed me over.
A lot of Spamton is like a callback to the Undertale lore... (Human soul, Mettaton, Dummy, etc...)
But the final parts of him being excited about "friendship" and "freedom", only to have his hopes dashed as the final string breaks?
That felt like a mockery. A cruel way to laugh at the naivety of it all.
They all saw too much into the darkness. However Deltarune ends, it won't be as happy as Undertale's True Ending.
His fall really hits you in the guts. He wanted to be a big shot,he wanted freedom,but even after all that,he wasn't anything more than a puppet.
Wait a minute, Mettaton counts as a Lightner, right? And the body was made as a wish by a Lightner, right??
Do you think...?
Mettaton himself is a lighner, but his roboboic bodies would not be as they are just machines powered by SOUL, and seeing as the dark world is that of fiction seemingly, it would make sense that if ASRIEL was working on something like undertale but never completed it (as seen in his computer) that maybe fragments of the data would remain buried on the library computers, as probably he worked on it there too
Yeah common knowledge by now
Mettaton is happstablook here and he might have created a robot on ms paint or something and that is in basement
Happstablook is a thing in deltarune, which is the closest we can get to mettaton. Although I kinda doubt he somehow collaborated with Swatch
didn't swatch themself say they created the body? or am i remembering wrong?
This boss ain't no Jevil, but he's a lot more fun imo
Then again, I never finished Jevil and I beat this guy pretty quick.
True, plus with Jevil you don't have as many resources to work with (More HP, Partner Acting, etc.)
@@sebmaster4339 Yeah definitely! Another thing that works in Chapter 2's favour is the Mercy percentage meter. I don't remember it being there in chapter 1 and with Jevil I just never knew how far I really got.
This mechanic helps because I felt like I progressed and because I died with high mercy percentages I felt compelled to fight him again to just get that win.
SPOILERS for the 'Snowgrave' Route, if you haven't found out what this is I recommend it.
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This boss is a lot harder when you have only one character, it's bad but again not Jevil bad.
This guy is significantly easier, I wonder if the future secret bosses will be like that. I dread to think what Toby can do to meet or exceed the difficulty of Jevil.
I never got to fight this guy! I saved after beating the final boss and went to town so I can't go back to the librarby's dark world! Maybe next time I come back to this game I'll make sure to unlock him!
In our hearts he always was.... a big shot
True
Everyone is talking about how he dies at the end of the fight and saying he never got freedom, but I think that his death is the freedom. I mean, think about it. He mentions “heaven” multiple times during the fight, and says to “watch him fly”. Angels have wings, so I believe that’s what he was talking about. He got to heaven. He got to fly. *He got the freedom he wanted.*
Side note: I figured this out after seeing the battle, and the amount of despair I felt when he just.. fell. And to be honest seeing it still makes my heart hurt. I really felt bad for him. He seems like he just wants to be happy, so I hope he is now that he’s in heaven.
He didn't die, actually; he turned into an item like Jevil did.
Him falling over after being defeated made me goosebumps.
But after defeating him myself i can see that im not the only who has one 😆
What’s odd is that the final string looks as if it was not cut by itself, rather it was cut by someone.
“The air crackles with freedom”
Bro why does that line give me chills
1:59 That laugh tho 😱
Maybe the guy that make jevil "crazy" was the same who probably talk to spamton about the freedom, trying to SAVE them from the knight, that Is in front of them in they respectives fights...
We see that spamton was powerful / a big shot before we see him from dialogue that the cafe shopkeeper says, given this power buy another person, that speaks in static (Gaster)
2:58 The World Revolving Moment
Jevil be like HEY THAT MY SONG!
I'm not hearing it. I mostly hear NEO's theme and Spamton's original battle theme. Edit: Nevermind, I can slightly hear it.
7:50 ITS FOR ME??? *gets blasted in the face*
I see hard thats his face lol
Here's a theory I came up with:
Since spamton is basically a puppet and being controlled by someone else, what if when he's talking in the brackets, he's actually snapping back to reality for a few seconds and speaking with full control of his body?
I always thought it was the opposite, with spamton's corrupted code often breaking his speech with past advertisements and memories (The Cungadero, falling into acid).
A very powerful foe. Makes me wonder about the next chapter.
Well, it's pretty obvious that the other secret bosses will have you use the other Soul types.
7 chapters, 7 souls, new fight mechanics?????
hopefully we finally get fights with the orange and cyan souls
@@blahblahgamer827 but jevil dont wanted our souls, just to play with us, in fact he is free from the dark world forwhat welearn in this chapter.
@@metalmk8714 well both of em think of a false freedom when fighting you
@@metalmk8714 I mean Jevil is also the secret boss that you fight with regular mechanics (Assuming all secret bosses use different Soul colors) so him being a stand out in a sense makes sense
I just noticed a really small detail. At the end, Spamton asks Kris to cut him loose. The player doesn't have a typical "cut loose / do not" choice. Kris legit outright does it in the blink of an eye, no animation or anything.
5:18 that sounds familiar....like a free prisoner, on a spinning globe, or a rotating planet
Nice to know that we fought Mr. Big Shot.
From a clown to what is essentially a glamorized puppet...
Seem familiar? Maybe a bit backwards?
Sans to mettaton I see
9:37 this is what makes this fight different from mettaton
"Spamton begs to the audience."
"Spamton prays to the audience."
"There is no audience."
cool, cool, extremely normal and fine
How to Unlock this Boss Fight
1. Complete the Blue Check Marks side quest for The Hacker in the Cyber World, before the dance battle.
2. Talk to the Hacker when you meet him in Trash Land. This will allow him to appear in the Mansion
3. Defeat Spamton during the story progress
4. Return to Trash Land when you unlock fast travel. Head left from the door, and enter the new tunnel on the top of the screen to access Spamton's Shop
5: Purchase the Gen:Key (I think that's what it's called) from Spamton. It can be purchased for 1DD if you're patient and fast.
6:Return to the Mansion. Near the end of the 1st floor, just before you go up to the second, there's a split pathway, one path leads to a treasure room with the Hacker in it. The hacker will walk across the room. Watch for when his head changes from a pointer to a hand, and interact with the object that caused it. This will open a pathway right behind you.
7. Use the Key to open the green barrier, enabling you to access the basement.
8. Explore the basement. It's a linear path. At the end, pick up the Empty Drive from the shiny in the statue's head.
9. Return to Trash Land. SAVE BEFORE THEN NEXT STEP
10. Return to Spamton's Shop. Talk to him, and you will be prompted to give him the Empty Drive. Doing so crashed my game the first time I did it, and I don't know if it was intentional, but it might have been, knowing Toby. If it does, repeat the step. From this, you will obtain the Loaded Drive.
11. Return to the Mansion. Fill your inventory with ButJuice and ReviveMints. SAVE, then return to the basement.
12. Interact with the statue in the basement, and give it the Loaded Drive. When you attempt to leave the basement after this, the Boss Fight will trigger, and Continuing after a Game Over will return you to the statue after you placed the Loaded Drive into it.
13. Have Fun!
So if I skipped the blue check mark sidequest I have to start a new game?
where are the check marks? i two at the cup area, but i can't find the third one.
You don’t need to do the Checkmark sidequest, I didn’t and I was fine
@@youtubechannelihave7899 i don't think i can access the hallway/hacker without doing it.
I did not crash, but a friends game did, so it’s likely that there’s a bug around it.
I love the “it’s for me?” attack
"HERE I GO!!!! WATCH ME FLY, [MAMA]!!!!" look at him go
9:19 poor guy.. all he wanted to be was free. And wanted friends.
holy shit i found this completely on my own as opposed to the jevil fight and it was so insane to see this battle, all the slight references in the theme to mettaton neo and puppet too were so damn cool
This might just win for me the best battle toby fox has ever made. The gamplay is wacky and creative, the writting is dark and emotive, and the music, while in my opinion the weakest part of the fight, is still really good. Man, every single line spamton says sends big chills running down my spine. Just the story of a man who shot for the stars and lost everything, leaving him in dispare and without freedom. One very real tale.
The "Sans vs Jevil" stuff was great, but I'm admittedly curious what the "Jevil vs Spamton Neo" stuff is gonna look like.
I think the reason for the upcoming 5 others chapters is due to the 7 souls of the first game. The first chapter being the red soul, your own, and this chapter being the yellow one, represented by this fight.
2:59 right here if you listen closely you can hear both "the world revolving" and "power of neo" playing at the same time (and some times the theme song kinda resembles the napstablook/mad dummy theme)
I finally found why Mettaton's body is down there!
If you talk to Swatch (the head buttler that runs the castle's shop) after beating Spamton, he tells you that a lightner made it
Someone using the computer drew it (with the help of Swatch since he is the embodiment of the color of the computer) and saved it but it was essentially someone's dream that remained a dream since nobody could make the body
At some point the drawing even got corrupted along with a lot of data (which is nothing uncommon for a computer that is publicly accessible) which is why it is in the basement (everything there is meant to be corrupted data)
That someone who drew it appears to be the "Nobody" in Napstablook's house, also known as Hapstablook or Mettaton
It may say optional, but let's be honest with ourselves, we're gonna do it.
"1 year ago" absolutely amazing how it's already been a year since this fight was discovered! Feels like just yesterday
Spamton is such a sad character
6:31 en ese momento, el jugador estubo en desesperacion maxima
Not sure if I’m overlooking comments about it, but the variation of his theme that plays at the beginning when he’s talking to Kris prior to Susie and Ralsei showing up is really really good. It’s got the main Spamton melody without all the leitmotifs Big Shot contains but no one’s posted it anywhere that I can find nor is it in the official OST but the version of it that plays at the end of the Snowgrave Spamton Neo fight people have at least posted (though it’s also not on the OST either.) Just curious where this one might be, it’s such a cool atmosphere set up for this guy!
wait. 7:06. heart on a chain? that's obviously a reference to us controlling kris' soul/our soul inside kris/whatever. but also...chara's locket is literally a heart on a string.
coincidence? ...I think NOT!