I’m not sure, a lot of historians say this was much too sympathetic to what Cromwell was really like. Who knows though? I agree with Henry though, this was a brilliant portrayal.
@@sian2337 No one will ever know what the real Cromwell was like. This one was pretty realistic with no frills and not too much drama. I feel this is meant to be focused on Cromwell since the title "wolf hall" clearly refers to him
@@geezerp1982 Henry loved sport and having fun. Sure, he was notoriously paranoid and quick to anger, especially in the latter part of his reign, but I don't think it's unrealistic to show Henry shooting the shit, so to speak.
I thought you held the bow string with the right hand fingers but pushed the bow out with the left arm. Pulling back a longbow string with just fingers was impossible. But this probably isn't a proper warbow they're using.
@@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167 Yeah take a look at Joe Gibbs who does shoot some very heavy longbows - it's all about engaging as many muscles as possible, hands arms, shoulders, back, core, even the legs have work to do. The bows they're using here are clearly low-power, after all they're target shooting at close range, a 150lb war bow would be decidedly overkill (not to mention far too heavy for the actors). Here, with a fairly light bow, one can get away without using every fiber of muscle. Still it all looks good - the men nock their arrows, look down-range, then draw the bow using their back as well as their arms, and loose the arrow almost as soon as they've reached full draw, aiming instinctively rather than looking down the arrow shaft and lining it up.
@@daredemontriple6 I visited Henry's ship 'The Mary Rose' and in that exhibition you get the chance to try out a longbow. It requires some strength to pull it but boys and men of this time were required to engage in regular practice with the longbow. Apparently it caused muscles on one side to become larger than the other.
@heliotropezzz333 not just the muscles, many skeletons of English longbowmen have been found with notably skewed and asymmetrical bones and joints which must have been caused by the body adapting to the immense strain of pulling a heavy weight longbow! And yes as you say, practice with the bow was required regularly. This is why 16th century arrowheads are fairly commonly found in the grounds of English churches - the one other thing everyone did in a week was go to church, so it made sense to also have archery butts there and to do their regular practice there. Churches often have a fair amount of well kept grass too which makes an ideal range
Henry offering to join Cromwell in the local archery competition, anonymously, leaves Cromwell speechless, not knowing how to respond. Henry probably thinks it would be fun and an honour for Cromwell. Cromwell probably thinks the archers would end up losing their heads for speaking their minds with their usual freedom.
Oh I wouldn't say it was very historically accurate physically. Henry was about as wide as he was tall, and he had a very wide sort of face, as can be seen from the portrait by Holbein the Younger, although of course that was about 8 years after the time in this video. He was handsome when he was young, but certainly not at that age. Anne of Cleves was terrified when she first saw him
@@OmnipresentPotatoHe was already overweight and bald and crippled when Anne Of Cleves met him 😂 Why don't you read a history book sometime? Henry was considered very physically fit in his youth, and was still regarded as such in the era of Anne Boleyn (the era this series is set in) yet you're prattling on about the portrait done in his declining years.
@@OmnipresentPotatoAnd your point is? Henry's physical decline wasn't noted by anyone (even his political opponents like Chapuys, who never missed a opportunity to write about Henry in disparaging ways in letters to the Emperor) until towards the end of his marriage to Jane Seymour, and after her death is when he let himself go. Prior to that he had always stayed active and exercised, as much as his leg injury allowed him to. Though he did begin losing his hair during his time with Anne Boleyn.
*In 1511 Henry made it law that after church on a Sunday every man was to practice archery so that a fully trained population should be able to fight the common enemy...the French , should the occasion occur.*
Blimey! I don't have a TV; seeing this for the first time now! I heard it was good, but I didn't think it was going to be THIS good... Fantastic stuff!
Henry later on sunday: "Hello fellow base-born folk, the air smells extra common today, dont you think? Lets practice some peasant-stuff like I do every sunday"
There are so few of us real people left in the comments it’s nice to see some humans once in awhile. A lot of comment sections are overrun by bots who post catchy quips and like one another’s posts so all we see in the top comments are hundreds upon hundreds of bot interactions.
@@crownpalace37 I've come across comments that make me lmao and then realize it was my own comment from 3 years earlier. At least I know I like my sense of humor.
I'm reading the book right now, didn't know there was a show about this. Not the master Cromwell I imagined, but would still watch it after I finish the book.
I did the opposite: watched the show in 2015 when it came out and just now reading the book. The show was amazing, well worth it. Now I have Mark Rylance's mannerisms in my mind when I'm reading.
I cannot understand why they are so afraid to age Henry. The Tudors did the most embarrassing justice for Henry by just slicking his hair back and having Jonathan speak in weird raspy voice...come on, Henry weighed closely to 400 pounds..get on with it and show Henry's true life
Sure, Cromwell is brownnosing a bit here, but everybody did with the King, given his mercurial moods. Also, this may not be entirely flattery; Norfolk mentions in a scene near the end of Ep. 1 that Henry is good with a bow ("very nice, got the arm.") Whether that's historically accurate is another matter, but in this story that's the case. Plus, there's the simple reality that any team going against another that has the King on it will deliberately start to play worse if it looks like they're winning, since beating royalty is generally a bad idea, so also in that respect, they'd "win for sure," though that interpretation doesn't seem to occur to Henry here.
@@TomG1555 it actually is accurate! All the accounts from Henry's early years state that he was a wonderful athlete, especially at archery and jousting
@@paloma4444 That's interesting, I am wondering though if firsthand accounts of that are exaggerated given that he's king and may have had the ability to read them. There is a lot of incentive to glorify the king. If it's from some private diaries or letters, however, it would be a lot more convincing.
Well, if the casting crew, shouldn't have chosen Damian Lewis, to play King Henry, then you might aswell also say, that Jenna Coleman shouldn't be cast as Queen Victoria, because she doesn't look that much like her. In fact, she looks too beautiful to play her. And Damian looks to hunky to play King Henry, but I couldn't be more complimentary, because that's exactly what I'm trying to be. But I'm absolutely not complaining whatsoever about Damian playing King Henry ;) The more scenes he has, the better, because I love his facial expressions. Especially the mischievous smile.
Actually Damien lewis fits Henrys looks (at this point in his life) very well. Henry had reddish hair and was considered fit and handsome when young (until he got his wound that stopped him exercising). Your comment kinda sounds like your arguing but anyone who knows history wont object to this casting.
I just thought, could this scene be a flashback? The King seemed pretty angry at him last episode, and now they seem to be getting on fine. Also, Cromwell speaks of his household, yet they all died in the last episode?
Think they were showing how unpredictable Henry could be. In a later episode Cromwell compares Henry to a tamed lion, you can pat it, pull at the ears, but there's the claws!
In the 16th century, a "household" encompassed everyone working and living in a house, not just immediate blood relations. It was more of an economic unit, than a family unit in that sense. And only the males would compete in a match of long bows. That Cromwell's wife and daughters died wouldn't figure into that.
I have a great uncle who travelled with a future king in third class with people snobbing the prince, no drama, you just go around and do stuff, unless it's a book.
I think Mark Rylance conveyed that by his acting and also that he couldn't allow his expression to be too revealing before Henry but Henry's not the most perceptive man.
I feel so bad that I can only see Capt. Winters when I see Damien Lewis. He’s an amazing actor with phenomenal range, but he did such an amazing job as Winters that I have trouble thinking about anything else when I see him in other stuff. The dude is literally suffering from success.
Henry had quite a sudden turn after the fall from his horse - he became easily upset, put on weight, and his personality changed abruptly. It's not referred to as much more than a simple riding injury, but with our modern understanding of concussions and head trauma it's quite likely that that accident had a lot more to do with things than is often thought.
@@daredemontriple6 I don't think his head was involved at all, not in that way. It's never been said that his injury was anything more than his leg. What I think more likely is that the abrupt shift in his lifestyle made him miserable, and his miserableness festered in to something more. I think on that aspect it was 100% mental as there's nothing in the historical record about him hitting his head. His injury didn't heal correctly and likely wasn't treated correctly. It never really healed fully, would ooze infection etc. The physical pain combined with his abruptly sedentary lifestyle against his will caused him to turn dour, to put it mildly.
@johnroscoe2406 possibly, but the thing is he could well have hit his head pretty hard without actually getting a wound there. It's not unreasonable to also assume that he might try to shrug off/ignore concussion symptoms so as not to appear weak or something (I've seen many a rugby player do the same and none of them were the king of England being watched by all their lords and ladies at the time either). A fall from a horse, and the subsequent whiplash and head impact could easily cause significant brain damage with no obvious physical symptoms. If Henry did suffer a head trauma, and he did try to hide it, it wouldn't surprise me that it doesn't show up in any accounts (remember how many people this bloke had executed!). It's possible that the onlookers knew he'd hit his head, but nobody dared speak out about something which the king might take as an insult. Who knows
Wolf hall and Tudors are great but I'm not sure why they don't show Henry how he was. He wasn't a small bloke. In fact he was obese. His armour in the tower of London measure's for a 51inch waist. Kind of shows how big he was. He eating habits were horrendous. He was roughly 28 stone at one point at 6ft 1 that's a big old unit.
Rubber treads that burned for days, a GM aircraft engine that cause the entire tank to be far to tall, flying bolt ends that killed more of the crew inside than enemy fire, to fire the main gun the entire tank had to be exposed ...no fighting 'hull down'. Oh yes, that aircraft engine had to be turned by hand with a special tool about 50 turns before starting because of oil flow issues (when cold). But Lend Lease had passed... and American Allies were eager for anything the US could turn out. Russians crew this tank with 7, it became known as 'coffin for 7 brothers'!
Even if it’s well written, and well acted, I can’t watch anything that whitewashes Cromwell as a nice guy when he was obviously a rotten human being. Being low born, it’s perhaps understandable why he was so ruthless to get ahead, but that doesn’t excuse him for it. When he begged for mercy, mercy, mercy when it was his head on the line, did he think about how many he sent to the scaffold? I doubt it.
Well, I love the series and the books. I also love Zinnemanns and Bolts A Man for all Seasons. Neither of them is historically accurate or even tried to be but they balance each other out very well.
Cromwell did more good for England than Anne Boleyn or Henry would have without him. He fed 200 people twice daily from his residency and put in laws to help the poor. He also closed monasteries that admitted to filling their own pockets. Anne, Henry, and the rich were far more deadly & self serving. He walked a thin line and he very much knew it.
I would call this portrayal of Cromwell as more balanced, not whitewashed. Was he a terrible person? Quite possibly. But he did good things for the poor. He got slandered because of how he treated the nobles. Well, cry me a river. Not exactly surprising that the historical accounts weren't too generous.
You’d look constipated too if you were in the company of someone that could have you executed for sneezing. The fact that the actors show this proves they have done well here
@@sandygrungerson1177 Henry executed 57,000 people during his reign, believe me yours would be stretched too and they found the right looking actors to play the faces that he’d have seen looking back at him I would have shit in my pants on the daily XD
What worse than Jonathan whatsit from The Tudors tv show? Personally I'm not sure yet re this one ... yes he's not 'big' enough for the role (even this relatively early in his reign) and could have done with being bulked up a bit - but he has presence.
rockheimr Actually on watching the end of Wolf Hall episode 1, and discovering that this is more of a young Henry, he's really good, just not so much in this scene.
Firstly Jonathan Rhys Meyers' performance depicted more of an irate schemer king. Physically, he was not like the real Henry, but we all knew that already didn't we? Damian Lewis is quite physically accurate actually. He's 6'1, so roughly the same height as Henry. He has auburn/ginger hair, like Henry. And his facial features seem somewhat consistent too. All in all an accurate casting in the physical sense.
![[meme] Thomas Cromwell being 100% Done with everyone and everything for 10 minutes | Wolf Hall](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/v34sbs18ar0/mqdefault.jpg)
I'll have you know the true king is standing in the background.
Hail, Theoden King!
And he seems to have had meals fit for a king as well!
Good eye! (good arm?)
Forth Eorlingas!
Rest in Peace Bernard Hill
Fuckinell it’s him
Best Cromwell and best king Henry ever represented in a show
Agree and to me the best Anne too. I love Natalie Dormer but I feel like Claire’s Anne is the most accurate and true to the real Anne.
I’m not sure, a lot of historians say this was much too sympathetic to what Cromwell was really like. Who knows though? I agree with Henry though, this was a brilliant portrayal.
@@sian2337 No one will ever know what the real Cromwell was like. This one was pretty realistic with no frills and not too much drama. I feel this is meant to be focused on Cromwell since the title "wolf hall" clearly refers to him
@@sian2337 not too sure about that - this henry seems very laid back
@@geezerp1982 Henry loved sport and having fun. Sure, he was notoriously paranoid and quick to anger, especially in the latter part of his reign, but I don't think it's unrealistic to show Henry shooting the shit, so to speak.
haha the reactions of Norfolk and Suffolk at the end
Applauding very reluctantly.
I got to give respect on how accurate they make the archery of a longbow look in this clip.
I thought you held the bow string with the right hand fingers but pushed the bow out with the left arm. Pulling back a longbow string with just fingers was impossible.
But this probably isn't a proper warbow they're using.
@@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167it’s your back muscles that do the work, not your fingers or arms.
@@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167 Yeah take a look at Joe Gibbs who does shoot some very heavy longbows - it's all about engaging as many muscles as possible, hands arms, shoulders, back, core, even the legs have work to do.
The bows they're using here are clearly low-power, after all they're target shooting at close range, a 150lb war bow would be decidedly overkill (not to mention far too heavy for the actors). Here, with a fairly light bow, one can get away without using every fiber of muscle. Still it all looks good - the men nock their arrows, look down-range, then draw the bow using their back as well as their arms, and loose the arrow almost as soon as they've reached full draw, aiming instinctively rather than looking down the arrow shaft and lining it up.
@@daredemontriple6 I visited Henry's ship 'The Mary Rose' and in that exhibition you get the chance to try out a longbow. It requires some strength to pull it but boys and men of this time were required to engage in regular practice with the longbow. Apparently it caused muscles on one side to become larger than the other.
@heliotropezzz333 not just the muscles, many skeletons of English longbowmen have been found with notably skewed and asymmetrical bones and joints which must have been caused by the body adapting to the immense strain of pulling a heavy weight longbow!
And yes as you say, practice with the bow was required regularly. This is why 16th century arrowheads are fairly commonly found in the grounds of English churches - the one other thing everyone did in a week was go to church, so it made sense to also have archery butts there and to do their regular practice there. Churches often have a fair amount of well kept grass too which makes an ideal range
In the book, this is the moment Cromwell realised how to deal with Henry: speak to him as if he is a child
What book?
Probably a bad question?
Which book?
@@edmis90 Terrible question mate.
@@fredfred4086 Work it out please. Five seconds of thinking at most, begging you.
@@imjohnfreeman show me the thoughts process
' Well at this distance'.... Cromwell knows that Henry has set an easy distance for himself so that he can look good.
Henry offering to join Cromwell in the local archery competition, anonymously, leaves Cromwell speechless, not knowing how to respond. Henry probably thinks it would be fun and an honour for Cromwell. Cromwell probably thinks the archers would end up losing their heads for speaking their minds with their usual freedom.
God I ADORE Mark Rylance.
One of the more historically accurate Henrys-----both in his height and his high pitched voice.
Oh I wouldn't say it was very historically accurate physically. Henry was about as wide as he was tall, and he had a very wide sort of face, as can be seen from the portrait by Holbein the Younger, although of course that was about 8 years after the time in this video. He was handsome when he was young, but certainly not at that age. Anne of Cleves was terrified when she first saw him
@@OmnipresentPotatoHe was already overweight and bald and crippled when Anne Of Cleves met him 😂 Why don't you read a history book sometime? Henry was considered very physically fit in his youth, and was still regarded as such in the era of Anne Boleyn (the era this series is set in) yet you're prattling on about the portrait done in his declining years.
@@zippymufo9765 he was already over 40 at the time of the marriage to Anne Boleyn
@@OmnipresentPotatoAnd your point is? Henry's physical decline wasn't noted by anyone (even his political opponents like Chapuys, who never missed a opportunity to write about Henry in disparaging ways in letters to the Emperor) until towards the end of his marriage to Jane Seymour, and after her death is when he let himself go. Prior to that he had always stayed active and exercised, as much as his leg injury allowed him to. Though he did begin losing his hair during his time with Anne Boleyn.
*In 1511 Henry made it law that after church on a Sunday every man was to practice archery so that a fully trained population should be able to fight the common enemy...the French , should the occasion occur.*
BloodOfYeshuaMessiah actually Edward the third did :)
@@mtroche718 Nearly all English kings seem to pass laws regarding archery
They built a sport centre on my archery field 😥
ACTUALLY Edward ii and iii did. The Plantagenets in the 1300s.
History is so compelling
mate you're 6'2 and have a ginger beard I think they would know it's you
"Hey guys, I'm Shmenry the Shmeight, Shming of Shmengland" *winks at Cromwell*
Best play along with the king’s games if you anger him your head could be at risk during those times.
@@Meowth666that made me laugh more than it should.
I will always see this man as Captain Richard Winters.
Bobby Axelrod as well, and Brody from Homeland.
But yes, Dick Winters first and foremost (from an American perspective).
or Jonesy every time he smiles I see him after being taken over by mr grey in dreamcatcher.
He's got a great range. I think he's the best celebrity impressionist I've ever seen.
Major Dick Winters you mean >:D have some respect!
@@guangdali1762came here to comment this
That bird in the background is period incorrect. It's a collared dove that didn't migrate to the UK until the 50s.
I feel you man.
This is the stuff you can't point out about cinema IRL, isn't it?
What's worse is that these aren't the real King henry and Cromwell either because both are still alive today which is impossible to live that long.
More’s the pity that the camera they shot this scene with is historically inaccurate.
Its nice to see henry relaxed for once.!
Blimey! I don't have a TV; seeing this for the first time now! I heard it was good, but I didn't think it was going to be THIS good... Fantastic stuff!
Henry later on sunday: "Hello fellow base-born folk, the air smells extra common today, dont you think? Lets practice some peasant-stuff like I do every sunday"
"We'd win."
I'd make sure of that beforehand.
I love how Norfolk always looks pissed about everything.
Norfolk was old-school nobility. Cromwell was, to him, a pretender.
Given half a chance I bet he wouldn't mind being king himself and you could see and feel hatred for Cromwell too
The kind of an answer you give to a child.
I just saw this comment and thought what a great comment!!
and then moments later... oh it is me haha
@@crownpalace37 I'm so glad I'm not the only person who has had this problem.
@@Rakkeyal Me too. I've hardly recognise my old comments. It's as if they were written by someone else - someone more intelligent than me.
There are so few of us real people left in the comments it’s nice to see some humans once in awhile. A lot of comment sections are overrun by bots who post catchy quips and like one another’s posts so all we see in the top comments are hundreds upon hundreds of bot interactions.
@@crownpalace37 I've come across comments that make me lmao and then realize it was my own comment from 3 years earlier. At least I know I like my sense of humor.
Oooh, I like this Henry!
I'm reading the book right now, didn't know there was a show about this. Not the master Cromwell I imagined, but would still watch it after I finish the book.
I did the opposite: watched the show in 2015 when it came out and just now reading the book. The show was amazing, well worth it. Now I have Mark Rylance's mannerisms in my mind when I'm reading.
Capt Winters has some good command experience
Brilliant now that's the way to teach history this was the best show in years on TV.
I like the idea of there being a paid archer on set to take all the actual shots. And how much fun that might be.
"Let 'me have it Cromwell!"
Love the casting. I don't know how the writing is going to be, but I like the casting and costuming here.
Henry V111 also decreed that all small horses must be destroyed to encourage the breeding of giant war horses. The Shire Horse comes from that stock
We really are overdue for Season 2.
They cut it in favor of some woke nonesense.
They finished filming series two at the start of the month (April 2024), so should be due by the end of the year or early 2025
No nonsensical ‘diversity’ casting, please.
Suffolk--“Muddy more like it” 😆
I cannot understand why they are so afraid to age Henry. The Tudors did the most embarrassing justice for Henry by just slicking his hair back and having Jonathan speak in weird raspy voice...come on, Henry weighed closely to 400 pounds..get on with it and show Henry's true life
Jane Seymour died in 1537 which is when Henry started to really put on weight. This episode is set about 1530
Jenna X Henry was pretty skinny early on in his life. he only got fat later in life
Henry was addicted to sports until his health wouldn't allow it. People who are addicted to sports are rarely fat.
Henry got fat starting in his 40's, after the fall on his horse..he lived well into his 50's..
Jen P I completely agree
First time I hear of this show. Looks pretty great.
the social commentary is great in this scene
Yeah your Maajesty, that would be great. We would win the achery match for sure.
Sure, Cromwell is brownnosing a bit here, but everybody did with the King, given his mercurial moods. Also, this may not be entirely flattery; Norfolk mentions in a scene near the end of Ep. 1 that Henry is good with a bow ("very nice, got the arm.") Whether that's historically accurate is another matter, but in this story that's the case. Plus, there's the simple reality that any team going against another that has the King on it will deliberately start to play worse if it looks like they're winning, since beating royalty is generally a bad idea, so also in that respect, they'd "win for sure," though that interpretation doesn't seem to occur to Henry here.
@@TomG1555 it actually is accurate! All the accounts from Henry's early years state that he was a wonderful athlete, especially at archery and jousting
@@TomG1555 Henry was famously athletic and better at archery than all his guards. So yeah, he is not exaggerating at all.
@@paloma4444 That's interesting, I am wondering though if firsthand accounts of that are exaggerated given that he's king and may have had the ability to read them. There is a lot of incentive to glorify the king. If it's from some private diaries or letters, however, it would be a lot more convincing.
@@sams7068 There is an incident where he had a wrestling match with the King of France as well as having an archery competition in 1520
Just seeing the thumbnail, I thought this was going to be a strange clip from Billions.
The King would not be recognized! How dare you, peasant? He disguised himself as Major Winters during WWII and lately he's been a billionaire.
How can Henry ever hope to "go in disguise"?
That was how he tried to court Anne of Cleves: he visited her in disguise.
He is going to cosplay a captain of a paratrooper detachment from the future.
His Scottish counterpart, James V, is supposed to have liked doing that.
Well, if the casting crew, shouldn't have chosen Damian Lewis, to play King Henry, then you might aswell also say, that Jenna Coleman shouldn't be cast as Queen Victoria, because she doesn't look that much like her. In fact, she looks too beautiful to play her. And Damian looks to hunky to play King Henry, but I couldn't be more complimentary, because that's exactly what I'm trying to be. But I'm absolutely not complaining whatsoever about Damian playing King Henry ;) The more scenes he has, the better, because I love his facial expressions. Especially the mischievous smile.
Actually Damien lewis fits Henrys looks (at this point in his life) very well.
Henry had reddish hair and was considered fit and handsome when young (until he got his wound that stopped him exercising).
Your comment kinda sounds like your arguing but anyone who knows history wont object to this casting.
I just thought, could this scene be a flashback? The King seemed pretty angry at him last episode, and now they seem to be getting on fine. Also, Cromwell speaks of his household, yet they all died in the last episode?
Think they were showing how unpredictable Henry could be. In a later episode Cromwell compares Henry to a tamed lion, you can pat it, pull at the ears, but there's the claws!
***** Yeah I know; I've seen the episode now.
In the 16th century, a "household" encompassed everyone working and living in a house, not just immediate blood relations. It was more of an economic unit, than a family unit in that sense. And only the males would compete in a match of long bows. That Cromwell's wife and daughters died wouldn't figure into that.
Great series. Love Cromwell
I love how, in the novel, Cromwell is thinking: "Come join us in disguise? That's a terrible idea. Why does this guy come up with this crap?"
I have a great uncle who travelled with a future king in third class with people snobbing the prince, no drama, you just go around and do stuff, unless it's a book.
I think Mark Rylance conveyed that by his acting and also that he couldn't allow his expression to be too revealing before Henry but Henry's not the most perceptive man.
Major Dick Winters going all medieval eh?
Bobby Axlerod and James Halliday meeting to discuss investment for the Oasis.....
I feel so bad that I can only see Capt. Winters when I see Damien Lewis.
He’s an amazing actor with phenomenal range, but he did such an amazing job as Winters that I have trouble thinking about anything else when I see him in other stuff.
The dude is literally suffering from success.
Which bird's sound is we hear at the beginning?
Oh my and the snobs of higher birth didn’t like Cromwell and his career open to talent
This was when Ax Capital was still raising their IPO.
Allegedly Henry started out as an athletic , jovial, approachable King beloved by his people . Maybe Henry VIII ‘s life story is a cautionary tale .
Henry had quite a sudden turn after the fall from his horse - he became easily upset, put on weight, and his personality changed abruptly. It's not referred to as much more than a simple riding injury, but with our modern understanding of concussions and head trauma it's quite likely that that accident had a lot more to do with things than is often thought.
@@daredemontriple6 I don't think his head was involved at all, not in that way. It's never been said that his injury was anything more than his leg. What I think more likely is that the abrupt shift in his lifestyle made him miserable, and his miserableness festered in to something more. I think on that aspect it was 100% mental as there's nothing in the historical record about him hitting his head.
His injury didn't heal correctly and likely wasn't treated correctly. It never really healed fully, would ooze infection etc. The physical pain combined with his abruptly sedentary lifestyle against his will caused him to turn dour, to put it mildly.
@johnroscoe2406 possibly, but the thing is he could well have hit his head pretty hard without actually getting a wound there. It's not unreasonable to also assume that he might try to shrug off/ignore concussion symptoms so as not to appear weak or something (I've seen many a rugby player do the same and none of them were the king of England being watched by all their lords and ladies at the time either).
A fall from a horse, and the subsequent whiplash and head impact could easily cause significant brain damage with no obvious physical symptoms. If Henry did suffer a head trauma, and he did try to hide it, it wouldn't surprise me that it doesn't show up in any accounts (remember how many people this bloke had executed!). It's possible that the onlookers knew he'd hit his head, but nobody dared speak out about something which the king might take as an insult. Who knows
I see Capt. Winters and I click.🤷🏿♂
Wolf hall and Tudors are great but I'm not sure why they don't show Henry how he was. He wasn't a small bloke. In fact he was obese. His armour in the tower of London measure's for a 51inch waist. Kind of shows how big he was. He eating habits were horrendous. He was roughly 28 stone at one point at 6ft 1 that's a big old unit.
Read the novel first i'd advise.
cool
Rubber treads that burned for days, a GM aircraft engine that cause the entire tank to be far to tall, flying bolt ends that killed more of the crew inside than enemy fire, to fire the main gun the entire tank had to be exposed ...no fighting 'hull down'. Oh yes, that aircraft engine had to be turned by hand with a special tool about 50 turns before starting because of oil flow issues (when cold). But Lend Lease had passed... and American Allies were eager for anything the US could turn out. Russians crew this tank with 7, it became known as 'coffin for 7 brothers'!
I'm really sorry, but you've commented on the wrong video.
Didn't Henry 8 and Cromwell live at different times?
Thomas Cromwell. Not Oliver
@@thomasferguson2193 Although Oliver was in fact a direct descendant of Thomas!
@@WinstonSmith-mu7ku Yes. Great-grandson of Thomas Cromwell's nephew.
Don’t longbows have a draw strength of 100lbs?
Mark Rylance lifts.
hey it's the ready player one guy...
There’s no need to address the King as “your Majesty” in every sentence?
In this particular kings case, I'd think it'd be advisable though.
Bobby Axelrods distant relative
Where are all the PoCs and MENA peoples?
Lieutenant winters?
The English archer was paid 2 pence a day not bad in those days
Captain Winters? Wait wrong show.
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I don't believe in bows and arrows.
I think they should hop over the channel and take Carentan (sniggering).....
I've never seen this show.
Someone tell me why everyone except Dick Winters is acting like they've got a corncob up their butt.
@jakemason100 3 years ago (edited) Henry executed 57,000 people during his reign, believe me yours would be stretched too
Btw Im not a quacker
Even if it’s well written, and well acted, I can’t watch anything that whitewashes Cromwell as a nice guy when he was obviously a rotten human being. Being low born, it’s perhaps understandable why he was so ruthless to get ahead, but that doesn’t excuse him for it. When he begged for mercy, mercy, mercy when it was his head on the line, did he think about how many he sent to the scaffold? I doubt it.
Well, I love the series and the books. I also love Zinnemanns and Bolts A Man for all Seasons. Neither of them is historically accurate or even tried to be but they balance each other out very well.
Cromwell did more good for England than Anne Boleyn or Henry would have without him. He fed 200 people twice daily from his residency and put in laws to help the poor. He also closed monasteries that admitted to filling their own pockets.
Anne, Henry, and the rich were far more deadly & self serving. He walked a thin line and he very much knew it.
I would call this portrayal of Cromwell as more balanced, not whitewashed. Was he a terrible person? Quite possibly. But he did good things for the poor. He got slandered because of how he treated the nobles. Well, cry me a river. Not exactly surprising that the historical accounts weren't too generous.
Maj Winters is a better shot
he is good but not as good as Shifty.
we'd win for sure...jfc its trumps america
So badly filmed. Just awful.
Load of old junk due to DEI
gross
Gay...
everyone looks constipated in this show....because theyre Brit thespians?
+Sandy Grungerson Yeah, unlike the emotional diarrhea of the Yank actors. ;-)
Alexander Mayes
touche...if only there were some happy median, in the middle of the Atlantic...
You’d look constipated too if you were in the company of someone that could have you executed for sneezing. The fact that the actors show this proves they have done well here
@@jakemason100 thats a bit of a stretch, but not as stretched as their faces
@@sandygrungerson1177 Henry executed 57,000 people during his reign, believe me yours would be stretched too and they found the right looking actors to play the faces that he’d have seen looking back at him
I would have shit in my pants on the daily XD
Possibly the worst casting of King Henry VIII ever. Not saying he's a bad actor, he's just *not* King Henry VIII.
What worse than Jonathan whatsit from The Tudors tv show? Personally I'm not sure yet re this one ... yes he's not 'big' enough for the role (even this relatively early in his reign) and could have done with being bulked up a bit - but he has presence.
rockheimr Actually on watching the end of Wolf Hall episode 1, and discovering that this is more of a young Henry, he's really good, just not so much in this scene.
TheRecreator And How would you rate the Anne Boleyn? When are they are going to air the full episodes in the USA?
BellaGoth12 Meh. The costumes are off and are not spot on.
Firstly Jonathan Rhys Meyers' performance depicted more of an irate schemer king. Physically, he was not like the real Henry, but we all knew that already didn't we?
Damian Lewis is quite physically accurate actually. He's 6'1, so roughly the same height as Henry. He has auburn/ginger hair, like Henry. And his facial features seem somewhat consistent too. All in all an accurate casting in the physical sense.